Kane Williamson vs Virat Kohli - Who is the best captain of the generation?

[subshakerz]

vsSA
Away:
Kane - Won Zero Matches
Kohli - Won one Test

At home:
Kane - Lost the series
Kohli - Won the series


vs Aus
Away:
Kane - Own Zero Matches & Zero Draws
Kohli - Won 3 Matches & One Draw (Own the series)

in SL
Kane - Own Zero Series
Kohli - Own 2 Series

Kohli lost three tests in Australia, won two.

 

[ManFan]

Kohli by accolade but he has a much better team.

Kohli’s team punches below its weight.

Kane’s team punches above its weight.

 

[subshakerz]

Kohli by accolade but he has a much better team.

Kohli’s team punches below its weight.

Kane’s team punches above its weight.

Exactly. The fact is that under Kohli, India has underperformed, badly losing winnable series in England and NZ and failing to win a single ICC trophy despite having a formidable team.

Kohli gets credit for bringing an aggressive instinct in Indiam cricket after Dhonis defensiveness but when it comes to team selection, tactics, etc. he still has a lot to learn.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

failing to win a single ICC trophy despite having a formidable team.

Kohli has captained India in just two icc tourneys(finalist in one semifinalist in other) , you are making it sound like he has lost 10 icc tourneys on the trot.

 

[Dingolfy]

Exactly. The fact is that under Kohli, India has underperformed, badly losing winnable series in England and NZ and failing to win a single ICC trophy despite having a formidable team.

Kohli gets credit for bringing an aggressive instinct in Indiam cricket after Dhonis defensiveness but when it comes to team selection, tactics, etc. he still has a lot to learn.

Formidable team? On what basis? Definitely not in LOIs where its only the Top3. Even Bangaldesh had better middle order than India in the last WC. Dhoni’s team had Prime Yuvi, Raina and Dhoni.

 

[subshakerz]

Kohli has captained India in just two icc tourneys(finalist in one semifinalist in other) , you are making it sound like he has lost 10 icc tourneys on the trot.

Fair enough, but India were the favorites for both trophies. Can add to the list failing to win a single IPL trophy too. In LOIs, its basically silverware that matters.

Of course, if India win next years T20 world cup under him, a lot of this critique will go away.

 

[subshakerz]

In Kohli's defense, I will say that he is superior test captain to Dhoni, whose laidback approach cost India a lot of potential victories. But in LOIs, Dhoni is king.

 

[Dingolfy]

Fair enough, but India were the favorites for both trophies. Can add to the list failing to win a single IPL trophy too. In LOIs, its basically silverware that matters.

Of course, if India win next years T20 world cup under him, a lot of this critique will go away.

I don’t think India was any favorite to win 2019 WC with a hopeless middle order we had. There were countless threads on this forum about how far Indian team would go in WC with that.
Even in 2017 CT, we had a crappy middle order and IMO,it was great effort to reach the finals. However, I would deduct a 1000 points for how Kohli acted in the finals. What kind of an idiot would decide to chase in final on a road and that too against a team who struggles to chase.

 

[sweep_shot]

Williamson is miles ahead. Kohli is not a good captain to me.

 

[MenInG]

Be it in the World Cup or IPL, Kane Williamson is “getting tired” of finishing second in Super Overs.

The New Zealander’s latest tryst with the Super Over came on Sunday night when his team Sunrisers Hyderabad failed to achieve the desired result in its IPL match against Delhi Capitals.

“I am getting tired of coming second in the Super Overs,” Williamson said at the post-match press conference.

“Throughout the game, whenever there is a Super Over, as a batting side chasing a score that was very competitive, there are a lot of positives to take out of it.

“It is really uncanny in game of cricket that things can end in a tie but I suppose it is very, very exciting. A lot of positives, we move on really quickly to Delhi,” he added.

Williamson has been a part of few Super Overs, with the most famous being the 2019 World Cup final, which England won on boundary-countback rule.

Against DC here, SRH equalled their opponents’ score of 159 but the duo of Williamson and David Warner could only make seven runs in the ensuing Super Over, which did not prove to enough for victory.

In the regulation match, Williamson struck an unbeaten 66 off 51 balls.

“It is a game of very small margins and I think, if we are being honest, we just want to do different aspects of our game a bit better. This game, if you are able to do it, then the result can change quite quickly.

“I suppose when it ends in a tie, you can look at the one run throughout the whole innings. I think on the whole, a lot of positives.”

Prithvi Shaw and Rishabh Pant scored 53 and 37 respectively to help Delhi Capitals set SRH a challenging target on a difficult Chepauk pitch.

However, barring Jonny Bairstow’s 38 at the top of the order, Williamson did not get any support from the other end until Jagadeesha Suchith came in a smashed a six-ball 14 to help tie the game.

Williamson said, “It was nice to be there at the end, it would have been a lot nicer if I was there at the end and we were at the right side of the result.

“You know there were a lot of valuable partnerships in the innings and we lacked a bit of momentum because that was the nature of the surface.

“We got very close, some positives to build on. We do not know how the surfaces will be in Delhi.”

SunRisers Hyderabad are currently placed seventh in the standings with 2 points from 5 matches.

SRH will next take on Chennai Super Kings in Delhi on Wednesday.

https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/ipl/kane-williamson-srh-vs-dc-super-over-comments-7289917/

 

[Ab Fan]

Both the captains all set to have a go in the inaugural WTC Final.

 

[Ab Fan]

Kane Williamson takes his time over the line in the WTC Final.

 

[shamaan]

Williamson is miles ahead

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Man what a bump.

Kohli is no match for Williamson in any format as a captain.

 

[Bahnz]

That fly-slip field placement for Shami was genius captaincy - probably didn't make much difference to the result, but it really illustrate's Williamson's thinking qualities.

 

[Aman]

Resources:
Both are same in test batting. Except Kohli and Pujara rest all are mediocre batters in OS.
In ODI - India has better resources.

Kane (3rd Rank)
Boult (N0-1 in ODI & 13th in Tests)
Southee (4th Rank)
Wagner (3rd Rank)
Ferguson
Tom Latham (10th Rank)
Ross Tylor (17th Rank & 4th)
Nicholls (12 th Rank)
Matt Henry (9th in ODI)
Collin Munro (8th in T20)
Tim Siefert (8th in T20)
CDG (7th Rank)

Nz Resources are not bad as you trying to project, they are world class players.

Now Kane has led NZ to a world title and broken NZ's title curse over Kohli's India, has your opinion changed?

Kane has written himself in cricket's history books and will be remembered like Kapil and Dhoni for India or Imran for Pakistan.

 

[mastimasti]

Man what a bump.

Kohli is no match for Williamson in any format as a captain.

If we're talking captains, Williamson has always been better, as have many captains in various formats over the last half a decade. The scary part is that Williamson now also has better performances in world cups AND a WTC final.

I always maintain in terms of pure skill, KOhli is the best ever from India and maybe the best ever period...but in terms of grit and mental fortitude he lags behind quite a few.

 

[Saj]

Very surprised that Kane only gave 1 over to Santner today against England.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Kohli is a kid infront of Williamson. A immature kid.

 

[DHONI183]

Very surprised that Kane only gave 1 over to Santner today against England.

It's so frustrating to see the way all the stats dominate the thinking of the captains nowadays. It seems almost as if the game is played on a computer in the dressing-room, and all these tactics make zero sense to me. Apparently, Santner didn't bowl any further overs because he's a left-armer and Moeen Ali plays them well, himself being a left-handed batsman. So the whole idea was to prevent Moeen from causing much damage, as a result of which Williamson gave overs to part-time bowlers who got hit for runs as England re-gathered all the lost momentum in the innings. Oh` and, the end result was that Moeen made 51 not out anyway.

On the other hand, Morgan didn't give Moeen the ball due to some similar stupid reasons, which I think was the presence of a left-handed batsman at the crease. The purpose was to prevent the left-handers from having a good day. The end result is that they ended up making a massive difference to the game in the end.

Poor, poor captaincy from both the captains tonight. Gutless, I would say. It frustrates me to see how the commentators nowadays have become mere cheerleaders and never bother to point out such errors.

 

[JaDed]

KW wipes the floor with “woke” “arrogant “ Kohli.

 

[sweep_shot]

Williamson wins by miles.

Kohli is not a good LOI captain. He has never won an IPL title or an ICC trophy.

 

[Buffet]

It's so frustrating to see the way all the stats dominate the thinking of the captains nowadays. It seems almost as if the game is played on a computer in the dressing-room, and all these tactics make zero sense to me. Apparently, Santner didn't bowl any further overs because he's a left-armer and Moeen Ali plays them well, himself being a left-handed batsman. So the whole idea was to prevent Moeen from causing much damage, as a result of which Williamson gave overs to part-time bowlers who got hit for runs as England re-gathered all the lost momentum in the innings. Oh` and, the end result was that Moeen made 51 not out anyway.

On the other hand, Morgan didn't give Moeen the ball due to some similar stupid reasons, which I think was the presence of a left-handed batsman at the crease. The purpose was to prevent the left-handers from having a good day. The end result is that they ended up making a massive difference to the game in the end.

Poor, poor captaincy from both the captains tonight. Gutless, I would say. It frustrates me to see how the commentators nowadays have become mere cheerleaders and never bother to point out such errors.

+1

Captaincy was not good from both sides today.

 

[shamaan]

1 over from Santner
0 overs from Moeen

 

[Savak]

Williamson is a man in front of Kohli. Doesn't talk big and doesn't look intimidated by the occasion and the opposition, goes about his job with utmost professionalism

 

[Ab Fan]

I never really rated Santner so I can't really blame Kane for giving him 1 over. For me, Sodhi and Neesham both are better options. Sodhi is a wicket taker and has always done well whenever I see him play. Neesham has also been clutch.

 

[Ab Fan]

It's so frustrating to see the way all the stats dominate the thinking of the captains nowadays. It seems almost as if the game is played on a computer in the dressing-room, and all these tactics make zero sense to me. Apparently, Santner didn't bowl any further overs because he's a left-armer and Moeen Ali plays them well, himself being a left-handed batsman. So the whole idea was to prevent Moeen from causing much damage, as a result of which Williamson gave overs to part-time bowlers who got hit for runs as England re-gathered all the lost momentum in the innings. Oh` and, the end result was that Moeen made 51 not out anyway.

<B>On the other hand, Morgan didn't give Moeen the ball due to some similar stupid reasons, which I think was the presence of a left-handed batsman at the crease.</B>The purpose was to prevent the left-handers from having a good day. The end result is that they ended up making a massive difference to the game in the end.

Poor, poor captaincy from both the captains tonight. Gutless, I would say. It frustrates me to see how the commentators nowadays have become mere cheerleaders and never bother to point out such errors.

Moeen is an offie, shouldn't the matchup rule dictate that Moeen must have to be given the bowl when there is a left hander Conway batting on the crease and looking more assured that any of the batter that had come till then?

 

[DHONI183]

+1

Captaincy was not good from both sides today.

Moeen is an offie, shouldn't the matchup rule dictate that Moeen must have to be given the bowl when there is a left hander Conway batting on the crease and looking more assured that any of the batter that had come till then?

Don´t know, really. We might´ve to ask Morgan about this.

Actually, what both the captains did yesterday reminded me of a story which my father often tells me. He and his friends once brought a patient in a critical condition to some hospital. Upon examination, the doctor first declared him dead and then remarked that it was good that they brought the patient to their hospital because they were specialised in the illness that the he was suffering from! The irony being that the patient had died anyway, of what use was him having been brought to that particular hospital?

 

[QalandarFan]

Not even close, Kohli is the most overrated captain in the history of our sport and I'm a fan of Kohli, love his batting but his captaincy isn't it. Williamson is a great captain.

 

[street cricketer]

Kohli is the most jobber captain I've ever seen. Yes, I think even Sachin was probably a better captain than Kohli, if only for the simple reason that he knew when to move away when he knew he didn't have the skills for the job. It's criminal to compare Kohli with any captain, let alone Kane. Kohli makes a good captain in Test cricket only because of the fact that he inspires the team, a bit like Imran was for Pakistan, but Kohli brings nothing to the team from the tactical side of things.

 

[Pakhs]

Kohli is the most jobber captain I've ever seen. Yes, I think even Sachin was probably a better captain than Kohli, if only for the simple reason that he knew when to move away when he knew he didn't have the skills for the job. It's criminal to compare Kohli with any captain, let alone Kane. Kohli makes a good captain in Test cricket only because of the fact that he inspires the team, a bit like Imran was for Pakistan, but Kohli brings nothing to the team from the tactical side of things.

Kohli was never going to be a good captain and that was clear even before he was given the captaincy in the first place. BCCI gave him a lot of support and he was vice captain to a great captain for a long time but he just never had the personality to captain a cricket team.

Now a days you need a more relxaed and laid back captian like Dhoni, KW, Morgan or Rahane who made the victory in Australia possible for India. This all out to your face personality does not work as a captain for a cricket team, may work in football.

 

[street cricketer]

Kohli was never going to be a good captain and that was clear even before he was given the captaincy in the first place. BCCI gave him a lot of support and he was vice captain to a great captain for a long time but he just never had the personality to captain a cricket team.

Now a days you need a more relxaed and laid back captian like Dhoni, KW, Morgan or Rahane who made the victory in Australia possible for India. This all out to your face personality does not work as a captain for a cricket team, may work in football.

I've never rated Kohli as a captain personally. He is tactically poor, and is a very "reactive" captain instead of a "proactive" captain, i.e., he moves the fielder to a place once the ball goes there rather than proactively anticipating that the ball might go there and have a fielder in that place.

But there's a tendency in cricket to give the captaincy to the best player in the team even when guys like Kohli and Smith are not tactically great. Sometimes the best player in the team might not be the best captain in the team and someone like Rahane might be the best captain, a bit like Brearley was.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

In tests, Kohli >> Kane, other formats Kane >>> Kohli

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Kohli