Kapil Dev is the reason why India now finds talent from all corners: Sunil Gavaskar

[Proactive_]

Former World Cup winning captain Kapil Dev started the trend of cricketers coming up from small towns, non-metropolitan cities and villages. He played domestic cricket for Haryana and made a huge impact on Indian cricket, making a generation of cricketers from small towns and villages believe that they could also make it to the big stage. Before that, most of the cricketers that India produced came from Mumbai, Delhi or other metropolitan cities. That point was reiterated by former India captain and batting legend Sunil Gavaskar during the launch of Democracy's XI, a new cricket book by Rajdeep Sardesai, in Mumbai on Monday (October 23).

"Kapil was the one that made everyone believe that no matter where they came from they can go on to play for India and captain India," said Gavaskar.
"He didn't come from the metros, until then players from the metros used to dominate the playing XI or the squad. There was an awe of players from Mumbai and Delhi by other players. Kapil changed it all. There had always been players who had come in from smaller states, but were not able to have an impact," he added.

"Kapil played for Haryana throughout and I think he was the first non-metro player to have an impact and that is the reason why I say if India finds talent today from all nooks and corners, it's only because of Kapil. Kapil was the first one from a small town to make an impact with bat and ball, to win matches with both. He excited a whole generation. He was the one that made the small town guys believe that this is not a big town guys' game only," added the 68-year-old who was also the first batsman to score 10,000 Test runs.

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Kapil indeed broke many barriers in Indian cricket. Not just in the sphere of fast bowling in India but he also played a pivotal role in destroying the myth that great cricketers can only come from large centers.

I would definitely say that in the 85 year history of Indian cricket, no cricketer has had more impact and held more value to the team than Kapil did. Fast bowling was a term that didn't exist in Indian cricket's dictionary before Kapil Dev's debut and the opening overs were merely considered a ritual to get the ball ready for the spinners. Puts things in perspective as to how significant Dev's career was to Indian cricket.

I just wish that instead of glorifying batsmen upon batsmen as demi gods and magicians, India used the example of Kapil Dev to make fast bowling a viable and popular option for young budding cricketers in the country. Sadly, India still tours overseas with highly underwhelming fast bowlers and more often than not, doesn't do justice to the money and resources that Indian cricket possesses.

 

[babajee]

still can’t find a middle order batsman

 

[CanadianG00se]

still can’t find a middle order batsman

Meh we got enough batsmen to build two playing XI. Just our so called selectors have different vision one which is hurting our team badly.

 

[Dingolfy]

Meh we got enough batsmen to build two playing XI. Just our so called selectors have different vision one which is hurting our team badly.

Can you list them?

 

[CanadianG00se]

Kapil indeed influenced the cricket culture in India when they won the world cup in 83. Back then cricket wasn’t as popular in India as it now. However, unexpected Worldcup win brought lot of youngsters to cricket and one among them was none other than Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar.

In my view, Tendulkar had more impact than Kapil. When Sachin would bat legit Indians would drop everything and just tune into watching him bat. I dont think any player in history would come closed to matching the aura of Tendulkar.

Till mid 90s we were borderline minnows and were struggling to even find batsmen. But post 90s Sachin influenced kids around the nation and suddenly every kid wanted to be next Sachin. Its no surprise that post Sachin era we are seeing so many great batting talent. Its like we’re producing batsmen in a factory that has no end.

So id rate Sachin ahead of Kapil because not only he brought changes in our culture but also brought in massive financial change in Indian cricket.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Can you list them?

Check one of the thread ‘Next generation of batting talent’

 

[Dingolfy]

Former World Cup winning captain Kapil Dev started the trend of cricketers coming up from small towns, non-metropolitan cities and villages. He played domestic cricket for Haryana and made a huge impact on Indian cricket, making a generation of cricketers from small towns and villages believe that they could also make it to the big stage. Before that, most of the cricketers that India produced came from Mumbai, Delhi or other metropolitan cities. That point was reiterated by former India captain and batting legend Sunil Gavaskar during the launch of Democracy's XI, a new cricket book by Rajdeep Sardesai, in Mumbai on Monday (October 23).

"Kapil was the one that made everyone believe that no matter where they came from they can go on to play for India and captain India," said Gavaskar.
"He didn't come from the metros, until then players from the metros used to dominate the playing XI or the squad. There was an awe of players from Mumbai and Delhi by other players. Kapil changed it all. There had always been players who had come in from smaller states, but were not able to have an impact," he added.

"Kapil played for Haryana throughout and I think he was the first non-metro player to have an impact and that is the reason why I say if India finds talent today from all nooks and corners, it's only because of Kapil. Kapil was the first one from a small town to make an impact with bat and ball, to win matches with both. He excited a whole generation. He was the one that made the small town guys believe that this is not a big town guys' game only," added the 68-year-old who was also the first batsman to score 10,000 Test runs.

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/kap...alent-from-all-corners-sunil-gavaskar-1766376


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Kapil indeed broke many barriers in Indian cricket. Not just in the sphere of fast bowling in India but he also played a pivotal role in destroying the myth that great cricketers can only come from large centers.

I would definitely say that in the 85 year history of Indian cricket, no cricketer has had more impact and held more value to the team than Kapil did. Fast bowling was a term that didn't exist in Indian cricket's dictionary before Kapil Dev's debut and the opening overs were merely considered a ritual to get the ball ready for the spinners. Puts things in perspective as to how significant Dev's career was to Indian cricket.

I just wish that instead of glorifying batsmen upon batsmen as demi gods and magicians, India used the example of Kapil Dev to make fast bowling a viable and popular option for young budding cricketers in the country. Sadly, India still tours overseas with highly underwhelming fast bowlers and more often than not, doesn't do justice to the money and resources that Indian cricket possesses.

Cricket is still a middle-class/Upper middle class game in India and still mostly in cities. You can see that comparing the kind of athletes we get in cricket and in other sports like Kabaddi,Athletics, Football,Volleyball etc.Forget about the Haryanvis and Punjabis in Pro-kabaddi, the 6'3'' Tamilian allrounder Prapanjan will break the bones of our entire cricket team midgets in five mins! I have played volleyball in Kerala and even university teams in Kerala has average height above 192 cm and have strong spikers who can smash the bejesus out of a volleyball day in and day out on sub-standard outdoor courts whereas the richest board in India can't get a decent tall fast bowler. One freaking basketball academy in Punjab had produced stars from rural Punjab who got drafted NBA G league (Amjyot Singh at 6 '8'') and also playing in Australian NBL(Amritpal Singh at 6'11''), but our cricket academies across India struggle to find some good strong fast bowlers.

 

[Sirris]

Cricket is still a middle-class/Upper middle class game in India and still mostly in cities. You can see that comparing the kind of athletes we get in cricket and in other sports like Kabaddi,Athletics, Football,Volleyball etc.Forget about the Haryanvis and Punjabis in Pro-kabaddi, the 6'3'' Tamilian allrounder Prapanjan will break the bones of our entire cricket team midgets in five mins! I have played volleyball in Kerala and even university teams in Kerala has average height above 192 cm and have strong spikers who can smash the bejesus out of a volleyball day in and day out on sub-standard outdoor courts whereas the richest board in India can't get a decent tall fast bowler. One freaking basketball academy in Punjab had produced stars from rural Punjab who got drafted NBA G league (Amjyot Singh at 6 '8'') and also playing in Australian NBL(Amritpal Singh at 6'11''), but our cricket academies across India struggle to find some good strong fast bowlers.

Perhaps fast bowling requires much more than just being tall.

 

[Dingolfy]

Check one of the thread ‘Next generation of batting talent’

Like the kid Prithvi Shaw and Pant who cant buy a run against A team lallus.?. Dude, if Jadhav who has scored massively in our domestics for 8 freaking seasons continuously at a strike rate of more than 100 is supposedly struggling in International ODI, how do you think this newbies who neither has his performance or experience will be able to replace him?

 

[Dingolfy]

Perhaps fast bowling requires much more than just being tall.

You need to be much more stronger and athletic to be a basketball player to be able to play in the Australian national League and also to be to get drafted to NBA G league.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Like the kid Prithvi Shaw and Pant who cant buy a run against A team lallus.?. Dude, if Jadhav who has scored massively in our domestics for 8 freaking seasons continuously at a strike rate of more than 100 is supposedly struggling in International ODI, how do you think this newbies who neither has his performance or experience will be able to replace him?

Some players are just not meant to be for International games. M Ramprakash, G Hick, etc have beastly domestic numbers but were found out at international level. I do not know the reason behind that. There have also be an instances where an average performer in domestic season went on to have better international career.
As a selector you cant just select player based on numbers alone, but also have to see the team needs.

Pant is an agressive player who also happens to be Keeper. Im pretty sure he wont be worse than what Dhoni is atm. You cant discard a player without giving a proper run. Ive more hopes from Pant than Dhonis and Karthicks.
Then there is Shubham Gill who is beastly for U19 cricket. S Iyer is another player who deserves more than TTF Jadhav.

Only if our selectors shows more faith in younger players we would be able to unleash better players

 

[CanadianG00se]

You need to be much more stronger and athletic to be a basketball player to be able to play in the Australian national League and also to be to get drafted to NBA G league.

Again being stronger and taller doesnt automatically means a player will be great bowler or batsmen. There is a thing called cricket skills. We had Aaron who was pacy but lacked skills and we all know what happened to him.

You’re vastly overrating physical apperance and underating skills. McGrath wasnt exactly known for his pace nor his strong physical built, but he is still one the best seamer world has ever seen.

 

[Dingolfy]

Some players are just not meant to be for International games. M Ramprakash, G Hick, etc have beastly domestic numbers but were found out at international level. I do not know the reason behind that. There have also be an instances where an average performer in domestic season went on to have better international career.
As a selector you cant just select player based on numbers alone, but also have to see the team needs.

Pant is an agressive player who also happens to be Keeper. Im pretty sure he wont be worse than what Dhoni is atm. You cant discard a player without giving a proper run. Ive more hopes from Pant than Dhonis and Karthicks.
Then there is Shubham Gill who is beastly for U19 cricket. S Iyer is another player who deserves more than TTF Jadhav.

Only if our selectors shows more faith in younger players we would be able to unleash better players

He was given enough opportunities in A team. Came out as dud against South Africans where Pandey scored and also against NZ A team at home which he again failed. No selector in the world would take somebody in the senior team who can't even score against A team bowlers. He has to prove his worth which he has not yet.

 

[CanadianG00se]

He was given enough opportunities in A team. Came out as dud against South Africans where Pandey scored and also against NZ A team at home which he again failed. No selector in the world would take somebody in the senior team who can't even score against A team bowlers. He has to prove his worth which he has not yet.

Compared to the chances Jadhav has been getting, id say he deserved more international exposure. If you think Pant got enough chances than Jadhav should be last person you must defend. He got freaking one plus year of free run just based on one fluke inning.

 

[Dingolfy]

Again being stronger and taller doesnt automatically means a player will be great bowler or batsmen. There is a thing called cricket skills. We had Aaron who was pacy but lacked skills and we all know what happened to him.

You’re vastly overrating physical apperance and underating skills. McGrath wasnt exactly known for his pace nor his strong physical built, but he is still one the best seamer world has ever seen.

So you think a basketball player has only physical appearance and no skills? McGrath is 6' 5'' and much stronger than any Indian fast bowler ever. You can see that even now from his pics with MRF trainees. My point is that, the catching area of Indian cricket is still in cities and they are not getting strong kids from rural areas such as in other sports.And you can see that in the results too.

 

[Dingolfy]

Compared to the chances Jadhav has been getting, id say he deserved more international exposure. If you think Pant got enough chances than Jadhav should be last person you must defend. He got freaking one plus year of free run just based on one fluke inning.

Dude, Jadhav got in because of his continuous domestic performances for 8 seasons at 100 plus strike rate.What has Pant done apart from IPL slogging? And one fluke innings wont get him an average of 43.27 at a strike rate of 108.2 from 35 matches!

 

[CanadianG00se]

Dude, Jadhav got in because of his continuous domestic performances for 8 seasons at 100 plus strike rate.What has Pant done apart from IPL slogging? And one fluke innings wont get him an average of 43.27 at a strike rate of 108.2 from 35 matches!

Dude for how long will you keep brining his stats to justify his failure for over a year. I told you some players are just not meant to be international games. Dont give me that rubbish that he had awesome domestic season Going by your logic should we also bring in V Kumar who have been terrorising batsmen in domestics?

His stats are inflated because of his ability to tuk tuk his way to half century and stay not out. If you disects his stats youll learn hardly any of his innings were match winning except the one against England.

Jadhav must be dropped forever. He cant even hack even if his life depends on it and he is occupying an important position where we want him to slog from word go.

 

[Dingolfy]

Dude for how long will you keep brining his stats to justify his failure for over a year. I told you some players are just not meant to be international games. Dont give me that rubbish that he had awesome domestic season Going by your logic should we also bring in V Kumar who have been terrorising batsmen in domestics?

His stats are inflated because of his ability to tuk tuk his way to half century and stay not out. If you disects his stats youll learn hardly any of his innings were match winning except the one against England.

Jadhav must be dropped forever. He cant even hack even if his life depends on it and he is occupying an important position where we want him to slog from word go.

Vinay Kumar was tried and tested for a longer time and rightfully dropped after he failed. Tuk-tuking to fifties wont give you a strike rate of 100. So what is this extra thing that pant has which warrants his selection over Jadhav? if Jadhav is not meant for international cricket, pant is not even good to play against A team.

 

[CanadianG00se]

So you think a basketball player has only physical appearance and no skills? McGrath is 6' 5'' and much stronger than any Indian fast bowler ever. You can see that even now from his pics with MRF trainees. My point is that, the catching area of Indian cricket is still in cities and they are not getting strong kids from rural areas such as in other sports.And you can see that in the results too.

BCCI is doing its best to spread games in rural areas which is why IPL is such an important tournament for us. It helps to bring young players in limelight at young age and also generates much needed revenue for BCCI.

Cricket requires good investment to become a good player. Id suggest you to watch H Pandya's interview on youtube, he mentions he had no money even for gas(petrol) and would somehow manage it. Both Pandyas got lucky break in IPL and now they are shinning. There will be many more such stories in future. Lets hope we can unearth more talented players like Pandya.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Vinay Kumar was tried and tested for a longer time and rightfully dropped after he failed. Tuk-tuking to fifties wont give you a strike rate of 100. So what is this extra thing that pant has which warrants his selection over Jadhav? if Jadhav is not meant for international cricket, pant is not even good to play against A team.

I suggest watch the match replay that we lost against Aussies. Top 3 provided the platform to chase 320, but 'hitter' Jadhav tuk tuk his way to 62 off 63 balls when he was required to score around 120-125strike rate. That match was lost because of him and Dhoni

 

[Dingolfy]

BCCI is doing its best to spread games in rural areas which is why IPL is such an important tournament for us. It helps to bring young players in limelight at young age and also generates much needed revenue for BCCI.

Cricket requires good investment to become a good player. Id suggest you to watch H Pandya's interview on youtube, he mentions he had no money even for gas(petrol) and would somehow manage it. Both Pandyas got lucky break in IPL and now they are shinning. There will be many more such stories in future. Lets hope we can unearth more talented players like Pandya.

No money for gas is not considered poor in anywhere in India, other than may be South Mumbai.That is middle class and from the way Pandya speaks English , I beleive he studied in some good convent school in Gujarat.Poor is what you call I.M Vijayan,one of the finest footballers ever came out of South Asia, who sold sodas while he was kid during local football matches to support his family, Or Walmiki brothers who are Indian hockey international hockey players and brought up in shanty in one of the Mumbai slums or even those kids in the recent U-17 Indian worldcup team.
IPL is bcci's cash cow and is a top-heavy approach.That is not how you catch talents from rural India. To begin with,does BCCI even has a residential academy for promising kids from rural areas?It had only recently inked a contract with MRF Academy and even that is more like 6 month bowling camp rather than a full-fledged academy.
I can tell you how other sports works.Take the example of much maligned AIFF.They have regional academies where kids are scouted from tournaments across from the length and breadth of India and give coaching, food and accommodation.And for the kids who show much promise gets graduated to their Elite academy.That is how you see the kids from remote rural areas of India represented in our U 17 worldcup team.For other sports like Volleyball, Basketball,Atheltics,Kabaddi,Wrestling etc , thousands of SAI centers do similar work.

And BCCI has more money and talent pool availbe than all the above sports.But still nothing on ground.Even in their selection trials for fast bowlers, they expect every one to come in full kit and bowl with a hard ball and that too at main city centres.Obviously the poor rural kids who mainly bowl on tennis balls wont be able to make that.
What they should be doing is that to establish residential regional academies in different regions in India and sent scouts to all the matches including tennis ball ones played with minimal equipment to find strong kids who have the ability to bowl fast.Then they can groom them under supervision in their residential academies.We desis are not geneticall gifted like caucasians and add our oily unhealthy food to the mix, you would find it hard to find strong kids who can bowl fast.You need to scout and catch such talents at young age itself no matter whichever godforsaken area in India are they coming from.

 

[Proactive_]

No money for gas is not considered poor in anywhere in India, other than may be South Mumbai.That is middle class and from the way Pandya speaks English , I beleive he studied in some good convent school in Gujarat.Poor is what you call I.M Vijayan,one of the finest footballers ever came out of South Asia, who sold sodas while he was kid during local football matches to support his family, Or Walmiki brothers who are Indian hockey international hockey players and brought up in shanty in one of the Mumbai slums or even those kids in the recent U-17 Indian worldcup team.
IPL is bcci's cash cow and is a top-heavy approach.That is not how you catch talents from rural India. To begin with,does BCCI even has a residential academy for promising kids from rural areas?It had only recently inked a contract with MRF Academy and even that is more like 6 month bowling camp rather than a full-fledged academy.
I can tell you how other sports works.Take the example of much maligned AIFF.They have regional academies where kids are scouted from tournaments across from the length and breadth of India and give coaching, food and accommodation.And for the kids who show much promise gets graduated to their Elite academy.That is how you see the kids from remote rural areas of India represented in our U 17 worldcup team.For other sports like Volleyball, Basketball,Atheltics,Kabaddi,Wrestling etc , thousands of SAI centers do similar work.

And BCCI has more money and talent pool availbe than all the above sports.But still nothing on ground.Even in their selection trials for fast bowlers, they expect every one to come in full kit and bowl with a hard ball and that too at main city centres.Obviously the poor rural kids who mainly bowl on tennis balls wont be able to make that.
What they should be doing is that to establish residential regional academies in different regions in India and sent scouts to all the matches including tennis ball ones played with minimal equipment to find strong kids who have the ability to bowl fast.Then they can groom them under supervision in their residential academies.We desis are not geneticall gifted like caucasians and add our oily unhealthy food to the mix, you would find it hard to find strong kids who can bowl fast.You need to scout and catch such talents at young age itself no matter whichever godforsaken area in India are they coming from.

Brilliant post.

By consideration of the resources that the BCCI possesses and the popularity of cricket in this country, BCCI has got to be one of the most inefficient, corrupt, money scrounging organisations on the planet. If BCCI had any sense of how to utilize the resources in hand, India could have easily been the undisputed top cricketing nation across all formats and tournaments. It's a shame that such unrivaled popularity and resources are being wasted to satisfy the greed of the politicians sitting in the BCCI.

 

[Tusker]

Brilliant post.

By consideration of the resources that the BCCI possesses and the popularity of cricket in this country, BCCI has got to be one of the most inefficient, corrupt, money scrounging organisations on the planet. If BCCI had any sense of how to utilize the resources in hand, India could have easily been the undisputed top cricketing nation across all formats and tournaments. It's a shame that such unrivaled popularity and resources are being wasted to satisfy the greed of the politicians sitting in the BCCI.

So the #1 Ranking in Tests and being near the top pretty much for most part of the last decade j, winning the WC was all just was a big fluke ?

 

[austerlitz]

Can you list them?

Shreyas Iyer
Prithvi Shaw
Karun Nair
KL Rahul
Washington Sundar
Risabh Pant
Unmukt Chand

Also coming up -

Armaan Jaffer
Sarfaraz Khan
Sanju Samson
Deepak hooda

Rahul ,Shaw and Iyer are the big guns.Shaw is still a bit too young perhaps.

 

[Proactive_]

So the #1 Ranking in Tests and being near the top pretty much for most part of the last decade j, winning the WC was all just was a big fluke ?

India should at least have already had an era of dominance like Aus and WI had. They've had nothing of that sort, not even close. Also, India wasn't pretty much on Top when it was No.6/No.7 just a couple of years ago after the last cycle of overseas tours needed. India's competence as a Test team outside Asia is still in question. SA has been the premiere Test team by far after Australia's decline.

 

[Tusker]

India should at least have already had an era of dominance like Aus and WI had. T.

Let me assure you that the current BCCI is 10 times better organization than anything the WI have had .... lol there is no corelation between being well managed and performance. Cricket is a unique sport in that aspect. Strange things happen in cricket.

Also, India wasn't pretty much on Top when it was No.6/No.7 just a couple of years ago after the last cycle of overseas tours needed. India's competence as a Test team outside Asia is still in question. SA has been the premiere Test team by far after Australia's decline.

I said most part .... but no surprise to see that you missed the World Cup win quite conveniently

 

[DRsohail]

KAPIL DEV IS THE CRICKTER for whom i have more rspect than for any other indian player.

 

[wrongun]

You need to be much more stronger and athletic to be a basketball player to be able to play in the Australian national League and also to be to get drafted to NBA G league.

Not so. Basketball in Australia gets the 4th rate tall athletes at best, way behind AFL (which requires tall players who can run & jump) and cricket. Plenty of others would be tracked into the AIS for rowing/volleyball/tennis. Basketball is very much minority sport here, with our NBL run on a shoestring and has almost collapsed due to lack of support a few times in the last decade.

 

[Proactive_]

Let me assure you that the current BCCI is 10 times better organization than anything the WI have had .... lol there is no corelation between being well managed and performance. Cricket is a unique sport in that aspect. Strange things happen in cricket.



I said most part .... but no surprise to see that you missed the World Cup win quite conveniently

"Strange things happen in cricket" is not an argument lol. C'mon you're better than this.

There is no excuse for an organization like BCCI to not be able to extract one proper front line Test fast bowler of world repute from a talent pool of millions and every resource imaginable at their disposal. This is just sheer incompetence.

 

[Dingolfy]

Shreyas Iyer
Prithvi Shaw
Karun Nair
KL Rahul
Washington Sundar
Risabh Pant
Unmukt Chand

Also coming up -

Armaan Jaffer
Sarfaraz Khan
Sanju Samson
Deepak hooda

Rahul ,Shaw and Iyer are the big guns.Shaw is still a bit too young perhaps.

Rishab Pant cant buy a run against mediocre A team and Unmukt Chand cant even find a place in Delhi team.Samson was out of form in domestics for a while and Karun Nair has multiple failures after that 300.Has Hooda done anything outside IPL.The only three I see good enough in your list are Rahul,Shaw and Iyer.

 

[Tusker]

"Strange things happen in cricket" is not an argument lol. C'mon you're better than this.

It is a statement of fact. I will give you another one ... South Africa with all their fast bowling riches being unable to even come close to winning a half decent world title. And I could keep going ... you cannot ratonalize these things.

There is no excuse for an organization like BCCI to not be able to extract one proper front line Test fast bowler of world repute from a talent pool of millions and every resource imaginable at their disposal. This is just sheer incompetence.

So going by your logic PCB must be a filty rich and supremely well Managed Organization

 

[CanadianG00se]

Rishab Pant cant buy a run against mediocre A team and Unmukt Chand cant even find a place in Delhi team.Samson was out of form in domestics for a while and Karun Nair has multiple failures after that 300.Has Hooda done anything outside IPL.The only three I see good enough in your list are Rahul,Shaw and Iyer.

Yet you defend a similar player who has been failing ODIs since he made his debut. Im not even highlighting his pathetic fielding and dropped catches.

 

[Proactive_]

It is a statement of fact. I will give you another one ... South Africa with all their fast bowling riches being unable to even come close to winning a half decent world title. And I could keep going ... you cannot ratonalize these things.

Because the best sides don't always win ICC Tournaments. One bad game in a crucial stage and you're out of it. It isn't like that in Tests, where SA has been an incredibly strong team consistently since readmission. Also, SA has always been a top ODI side as well. They're lacking a bit when the push comes to the shove in ICC Tournaments but there's no one doubting their talent.

So going by your logic PCB must be a filty rich and supremely well Managed Organization

PCB is a pretty inefficient organisation as well as evidenced by their inconsistency at producing world class batsmen but tbh they're nowhere near BCCI with regards to resources and talent pool. The fact that we still aren't able to plug that one hole in the fast bowling department for decades despite possessing everything that a sports organisation needs and more to address this issue.. is quite frankly another level of incompetence.

 

[Tusker]

Because the best sides don't always win ICC Tournaments. One bad game in a crucial stage and you're out of it. It isn't like that in Tests, where SA has been an incredibly strong team consistently since readmission. Also, SA has always been a top ODI side as well. They're lacking a bit when the push comes to the shove in ICC Tournaments but there's no one doubting their talent.

It is much easier to win cricket matches with great bowlers than great batsmen even in ODI's. Unless ofcourse you produce exceptional batsmen like India regularly do. There is no excuse for SAF to not win a single World Event and there is no explanation for it. They are the only top cricketing nation with exceptional bowlers to not win

PCB is a pretty inefficient organisation as well as evidenced by their inconsistency at producing world class batsmen but tbh they're nowhere near BCCI with regards to resources and talent pool.

So efficiency and $$$ has nothing to do with end results . Glad you agree.

The fact that we still aren't able to plug that one hole in the fast bowling department for decades despite possessing everything that a sports organisation needs and more to address this issue.. is quite frankly another level of incompetence.

Because the problem is with your flawed logic that equates $$ and efficiency to producing more bowlers.

 

[Dingolfy]

Yet you defend a similar player who has been failing ODIs since he made his debut. Im not even highlighting his pathetic fielding and dropped catches.

I am not defending anybody.Infact, I want Raina to replace him. But unfortunately he is out of form and others cant even score against A team who are rubbish.Only Iyer seems to be good enough to replace him.

 

[Bilal7]

An overrated player, Kapil Dev and not an ATG all-rounder for me. His stats tell you all you need to know about how 'great' he was in test cricket while he was a WC failure in ODIs and not much better than Shahid Afridi.

I'll place him, Botham and Pollock one level below the true ATG all-rounders (Imran, Sobers and Kallis). He did pick a huge number of wickets and on his day, could be as good as any so although not an ATG, he was pretty darn good.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Vinay Kumar was tried and tested for a longer time and rightfully dropped after he failed. Tuk-tuking to fifties wont give you a strike rate of 100. So what is this extra thing that pant has which warrants his selection over Jadhav? if Jadhav is not meant for international cricket, pant is not even good to play against A team.

Okay! Not joining the Bandwagon of Pant admirers here! But Jadhav is just not the international cricket-material. I appreciate him for what he did over the years in Domestics. But he just lacks the skill, technique and temperament to make a cut to the national side. And the less we talk about his fielding, the better! Pant needs to perform more in domestics and A tours. He's a wonderful timer of the ball, but his over-confidence and lack of game awareness are the things that he should address! What do you think about other options for our Middle order? How about testing Shreyas Iyer, KL Rahul, Sanju Samson? I'm done with Jadhav!