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The first trailer for Vivek Agnihotri's controversial film The Kashmir Files is out. Starring National Award winners (something even the trailer boasts of in the roll call) Anupam Kher, Mithun Chakraborty, Prakash Belawadi and Pallavi Joshi, it is about the exodus and killings of Kashmiri Pandits in the 90s.

The film also stars Darshan Kumar, Bhasha Sumbali, Chinmay Mandlekar, Puneet Issar, Mrinal Kulkarni, Atul Srivastava, and Prithviraj Sarnaik.

The Kashmir Files shows Kashmir in the middle of civil and communal tensions with Kashmiri Pandits hoping for relief and peace. There are the intellectual kinds, debating who is in the right, the protestors demanding ‘azaadi’ and the locals, who are left bleeding in the streets. Watch the trailer here:


https://www.hindustantimes.com/ente...anaut-calls-it-wonderful-101645428052952.html
 
Why dont they make a film regarding the situation with Kashmir in and around the time of partition and how the plebiscite has been denied to the people of Kashmir?
 
Just another boring film on Kashmir by the Indian propaganda machine. All that matters is what the Kashmiri people think and want, we all know what that is. Had it not been so some 1 million Indian terrorist soldiers would not be occupying the valley. Ultimately, such cheap films make no difference on the ground whatsoever. With the world being the way it is this issue will soon be sorted as well one way or another.
 
Movies like this don;t change people's opinion about the Kashmir issue , one way or other , only serve the purpose of keeping the issue in news.
 
As for Kashmiri Pundits they should be allowed home. Free Kashmir from India and even Pak if that is what they want. After that let the Kashmiris irrespective of religious belief live together peacefully. These films actually keep the Kashmir issue alive.
 
PakLFC said:
As for Kashmiri Pundits they should be allowed home. Free Kashmir from India and even Pak if that is what they want. After that let the Kashmiris irrespective of religious belief live together peacefully. These films actually keep the Kashmir issue alive.
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Better option is to negotiate for both parties to invest in Kashmir, both sides of LOC. Sadly, it has become an issue of ego and election narratives more than an administration issue.

Free Kashmir is not sustainable in current geopolitical atmosphere. Instead of two way battle, it will become three way battle with China joining in.
 
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FollowThru said:
Better option is to negotiate for both parties to invest in Kashmir, both sides of LOC. Sadly, it has become an issue of ego and election narratives more than an administration issue.

Free Kashmir is not sustainable in current geopolitical atmosphere. Instead of two way battle, it will become three way battle with China joining in.
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You are ignoring what the Kashmiris want here. They need breathing space from both Pak and Bharat at least for a few years. There is no way Pak or Bharat will invest big money there unless it is a part of either country.
 
Saw the movie today, I must say masterpiece, Anupam Kheer absolutely nailed it, he wasn't acting, this was his life it seems back when it all happened to the Pandits... The emotional roller coaster, brutality, drama the odd comedy all made the movie perfect...... 10/10
 
moghul said:
Movies like this don;t change people's opinion about the Kashmir issue , one way or other , only serve the purpose of keeping the issue in news.
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The main purpose of this movie will be to "educate" the public by presenting Kashmiri Muslims as terrorists and the Hindus as victims.
 
These movies don’t achieve anything tbh especially in this case when there’s a clear propaganda angle to it (even if you genuinely believe it’s based on truth - the aim to get the word out and fashion an opinion is obvious).

No one will have a different opinion about the issue afterhaving watched this.
 
 
Yes. Brutal murder of men, women & even children of Chitpavan Brahmin Community, which even was nor reported. Carnage against Sikhs in 1984. Forger Nalanda to Goa- a long list.

I think the process of documentation of all the instances has been triggered by Kashmir Files. Kudos
 
Bollywood Mafia, mainstream media tried their best to Suppress the movie with bad ratings and propaganda.
Movies started with very limited release around 300 screens, now they are adding more screens in all regions.

So far Day 3 Screens and Collections > Day 2> Day 1

Day 1- 3.3 Cr
Day 2- 8.5 Cr
Day 3- 15 Cr

Today will be 20cr+

Glad to see that Indian cinema is evolving to bring out perspectives that are thought provoking.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
The main purpose of this movie will be to "educate" the public by presenting Kashmiri Muslims as terrorists and the Hindus as victims.
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Hindus don't need to be educated about any of this this.

It will educate the Bollywood movie pirates in Pakistan about what actually happened in Kashmir, thanks to their government's meddling,. though
 
 
Stewie said:
Why dont they make a film regarding the situation with Kashmir in and around the time of partition and how the plebiscite has been denied to the people of Kashmir?
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Yes, only then will the world learn that it is Pakistan which is denying the plebiscite, thanks to its unwillingness to obey a UN resolution.
 
 
This movie has created massive hype across India and broken all box office records

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheKashmiriFiles?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TheKashmiriFiles</a> is an EYE OPENER for “Small Movies” across the Nation in this post-pandemic OTT driven Era! Not All is lost yet! Tickets at the BoxOffice can still get sold like hot cakes if you make Content that’s “Relevant to the ‘Audiences!’” <a href="https://t.co/XuNoJVxeTd">pic.twitter.com/XuNoJVxeTd</a></p>— AndhraBoxOffice.Com (@AndhraBoxOffice) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndhraBoxOffice/status/1503295489470468100?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It has created national revolution with people coming onto the streets

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheKashmirFiles?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TheKashmirFiles</a> is not a movie , it’s a revolution …. We need Justice <br><br>Thank you ⁦<a href="https://twitter.com/vivekagnihotri?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@vivekagnihotri</a>⁩ <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Faridabad?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Faridabad</a> ⁦<a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@narendramodi</a>⁩ <a href="https://t.co/ohVxP4gk9a">pic.twitter.com/ohVxP4gk9a</a></p>— Pawan Durani (@PawanDurani) <a href="https://twitter.com/PawanDurani/status/1503231198919008256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A very small film is uniting Indians like never before. This is <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NewIndia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NewIndia</a> <a href="https://t.co/8RHyHQdO9r">https://t.co/8RHyHQdO9r</a></p>— Vivek Ranjan Agnihotri (@vivekagnihotri) <a href="https://twitter.com/vivekagnihotri/status/1502950527088279554?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Kapil Sharma has not agred to promote the film in his show. But the film producers found other way to promote the film

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheKashmirFiles?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TheKashmirFiles</a> team meets PM <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NarendraModi?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NarendraModi</a>, receives appreciation for film<a href="https://t.co/nTAhHzw8RG">https://t.co/nTAhHzw8RG</a></p>— India Today Showbiz (@Showbiz_IT) <a href="https://twitter.com/Showbiz_IT/status/1502860094618316805?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Opposition sees this movie as propaganda and communal tactics of BJP

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For BJP, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a> is a Hindu-Muslim problem. For Congress, it's a long battle between separatists & those who stand with India. <br><br>Let's respect ALL Kashmiris who've made sacrifices in this battle. <br><br>Congress brought peace & rehabilitated victims. BJP ruined it for politics. (2/3)</p>— Congress Kerala (@INCKerala) <a href="https://twitter.com/INCKerala/status/1503271224318717955?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
gani999 said:
Hindus don't need to be educated about any of this this.

It will educate the Bollywood movie pirates in Pakistan about what actually happened in Kashmir, thanks to their government's meddling,. though
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By the way, I am not saying that Hindu pandits didn't suffer, I am sure they will have a story, but movies like this are made to sell one side of it to please the majority viewers. There will be no balance, just the evil Muslims stoked up by the nefarious Pakistanis across the border, blah blah blah.

It will work, and it was utterly predictable that Bollywood was going to churn out another anti-Pakistan film. by all means continue down this path, will be interesting to watch Indian ripped apart by the fuelling of religious hatred.
 
Zee Studios really cashed on it. Conflicting and trending topics like this make for a great movie idea.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
By the way, I am not saying that Hindu pandits didn't suffer, I am sure they will have a story, but movies like this are made to sell one side of it to please the majority viewers. There will be no balance, just the evil Muslims stoked up by the nefarious Pakistanis across the border, blah blah blah.

It will work, and it was utterly predictable that Bollywood was going to churn out another anti-Pakistan film. by all means continue down this path, will be interesting to watch Indian ripped apart by the fuelling of religious hatred.
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But other side of the story has been made in Bollywood many times with movies like Mission Kashmir, Haider, Shikara etc. No one had any issues.

Now when a movie been made on Kashmiri Pandits, people have a problem. They are calling it propaganda film, agenda driven etc.
 
The evil process of dehumanizing and demonizing of Muslims in India has been going for some decades now.

See the stage 3 and 5 from below:

Genocide is a process that develops in eight stages that are predictable but not inexorable. At each stage, preventive measures can stop it. The process is not linear. Logically, later stages must be preceded by earlier stages. But all stages continue to operate throughout the process. 8 Stages of Genocide

What is Genocide? • The term Genocide was coined in 1948, and defined by the United Nations as follows: Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: • (a) Killing members of the group; • (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; • (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; • (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; • (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Stage 1: Classification • All cultures have categories to distinguish people into "us and them" by ethnicity, race, religion, or nationality: German and Jew, Hutu and Tutsi. Bipolar societies that lack mixed categories, such as Rwanda and Burundi, are the most likely to have genocide.

Stage 2: Symbolization • We give names or other symbols to the classifications. We name people "Jews" or "Gypsies", or distinguish them by colors or dress; and apply them to members of groups. Classification and symbolization are universally human and do not necessarily result in genocide unless they lead to the next stage, dehumanization. When combined with hatred, symbols may be forced upon unwilling members of pariah groups: the yellow star for Jews under Nazi rule, the blue scarf for people from the Eastern Zone in Khmer Rouge Cambodia.

Stage 3: Dehumanization • One group denies the humanity of the other group. Members of it are equated with animals, vermin, insects or diseases. Dehumanization overcomes the normal human revulsion against murder.


Stage 4: Organization • Genocide is always organized, usually by the state, though sometimes informally (Hindu mobs led by local RSS militants) or by terrorist groups. Special army units or militias are often trained and armed. Plans are made for genocidal killings.

Stage 5: Polarization • Extremists drive the groups apart. Hate groups broadcast polarizing propaganda. Laws may forbid intermarriage or social interaction. Extremist terrorism targets moderates, intimidating and silencing the center.

Stage 6: Organization • Victims are identified and separated out because of their ethnic or religious identity. Death lists are drawn up. Members of victim groups are forced to wear identifying symbols. They are often segregated into ghettoes, forced into concentration camps, or confined to a famine-struck region and starved.

Stage 7: Extermination • Extermination begins, and quickly becomes the mass killing legally called "genocide." It is "extermination" to the killers because they do not believe their victims to be fully human. When it is sponsored by the state, the armed forces often work with militias to do the killing. Sometimes the genocide results in revenge killings by groups against each other, creating the downward whirlpool-like cycle of bilateral genocide (as in Burundi).

Stage 8: Denial • Denial is the eighth stage that always follows a genocide. It is among the surest indicators of further genocidal massacres. The perpetrators of genocide dig up the mass graves, burn the bodies, try to cover up the evidence and intimidate the witnesses. They deny that they committed any crimes, and often blame what happened on the victims. They block investigations of the crimes, and continue to govern until driven from power by force, when they flee into exile. There they remain with impunity, like Pol Pot or Idi Amin, unless they are captured and a tribunal is established to try them.
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What you posted above is the textbook definition of what happened in Kashmir to the non-muslims and moderate Muslims
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Finally a brave voice speaks truth on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a> at Tom Lantos HR Commission hearing in US. My friend <a href="https://twitter.com/sunandavashisht?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sunandavashisht</a>: ‘My father is a Kashmiri Hindu. My mother is a Kashmiri Hindu. I’m a Kashmiri Hindu. And our home & lives in Kashmir were destroyed by radical Islamist terror’. <a href="https://t.co/Sw55gcTIbL">pic.twitter.com/Sw55gcTIbL</a></p>— Aditya Raj Kaul (@AdityaRajKaul) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1195099029111267330?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
LongtimeLurk3r said:
What you posted above is the textbook definition of what happened in Kashmir to the non-muslims and moderate Muslims
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Watch this video and in case you do not speak the language, the army guy said: "I can shoot you and no one will even ask me a question about it" in other word, murder with complete impunity.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Another shocking video comes out of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a>. Indian army men beat and abuse three Kashmiri youth. <a href="https://t.co/iGOxLxEfnt">pic.twitter.com/iGOxLxEfnt</a></p>— Ahmer Khan (@ahmermkhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/ahmermkhan/status/853478840013733889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 16, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Indian society is sick and brainwashed to the core.
 
And finally a mandatory thanks to Mr. Jinnah (may Allah bless his soul).


And Pak army may keep Pakistan safe from these sickos and their evil mentality.

Ameen.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
By the way, I am not saying that Hindu pandits didn't suffer, I am sure they will have a story, but movies like this are made to sell one side of it to please the majority viewers. There will be no balance, just the evil Muslims stoked up by the nefarious Pakistanis across the border, blah blah blah.

It will work, and it was utterly predictable that Bollywood was going to churn out another anti-Pakistan film. by all means continue down this path, will be interesting to watch Indian ripped apart by the fuelling of religious hatred.
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The movie is based on true events, as many movies are. It is up to people to give it any interpretation. It may be 'one sided and unbalanced' according to some, while showing reality according to others.

And there have been many movies put out by Bollywood which have shown what happened during partition, hindu-muslim riots with both sides being perpetrators etc, over the years. They haven't ripped India apart or caused any religious rift. This one will not either.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
Watch this video and in case you do not speak the language, the army guy said: "I can shoot you and no one will even ask me a question about it" in other word, murder with complete impunity.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Another shocking video comes out of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a>. Indian army men beat and abuse three Kashmiri youth. <a href="https://t.co/iGOxLxEfnt">pic.twitter.com/iGOxLxEfnt</a></p>— Ahmer Khan (@ahmermkhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/ahmermkhan/status/853478840013733889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 16, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Why we're they arrested?
 
gani999 said:
The movie is based on true events, as many movies are. It is up to people to give it any interpretation. It may be 'one sided and unbalanced' according to some, while showing reality according to others.

And there have been many movies put out by Bollywood which have shown what happened during partition, hindu-muslim riots with both sides being perpetrators etc, over the years. They haven't ripped India apart or caused any religious rift. This one will not either.
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All events and ppl shown are directly taken from newspaper articles, reports and established an recorded events from over 700 survivors. If something is propaganda... Can be easily pointed out. Which part is according to those who called it so?
 
LongtimeLurk3r said:
Looks like they are stone pelters according to the video. What does the Pak army do to ppl in Balochistan or KP?
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No, according to video a man-child Indian soldier is threatening to murder an unarmed youth while a bunch of pathetic garbage-bags are torturing and beating them.

Let's stick to the topic and talk about Kashmir.

(I just hope these army guys get lost and cross border to Pakistan.)
 
Rajdeep said:
But other side of the story has been made in Bollywood many times with movies like Mission Kashmir, Haider, Shikara etc. No one had any issues.

Now when a movie been made on Kashmiri Pandits, people have a problem. They are calling it propaganda film, agenda driven etc.
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Mission Kashmir and the rest will be anti-Pakistan propaganda also. Come back when you can tell me Bollywood has made a film about the Gujarat massacre and your PM's part in it.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
No, according to video a man-child Indian soldier is threatening to murder an unarmed youth while a bunch of pathetic garbage-bags are torturing and beating them.

Let's stick to the topic and talk about Kashmir.

(I just hope these army guys get lost and cross border to Pakistan.)
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No they were caught throwing stones at the army and are being interrogated asking where they are from.

As you said let's not derail thr thread as it has nothing to do with the movie or its content
 
Mithun Chakraborty :)) and one of the worst performances by Anupam Kher.

I only watched the trailer and that was enough for me.

Interestingly, two of the worst performances by Kher have been in propaganda films. This and the one on Manmohan Singh.
 
pillionrider said:
Mithun Chakraborty :)) and one of the worst performances by Anupam Kher.

I only watched the trailer and that was enough for me.

Interestingly, two of the worst performances by Kher have been in propaganda films. This and the one on Manmohan Singh.
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Wow... They should put you on the Oscar committee. You are able to judge acting performances just from a trailer! Think of how much time and money ppl can save with your insights!
 
LongtimeLurk3r said:
Wow... They should put you on the Oscar committee. You are able to judge acting performances just from a trailer! Think of how much time and money ppl can save with your insights!
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Still pining after an Oscar Mr deshpremi :))

I work in a certain aspect of the film industry and also worked as a journalist for a decade including as a film critic, while donkeys read my garbage and decided whether or not they were going to watch a film :)

I'm also a techie by qualification, so don't mind my rants against your community :jimmy
 
pillionrider said:
Still pining after an Oscar Mr deshpremi :))

I work in a certain aspect of the film industry and also worked as a journalist for a decade including as a film critic, while donkeys read my garbage and decided whether or not they were going to watch a film :)

I'm also a techie by qualification, so don't mind my rants against your community :jimmy
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I was just congratulating you on your superpowers. Must be valuable writing reviews for movies you don't even need to see! That is handy! I guess you probably do need a day job though.
 
pillionrider said:
Still pining after an Oscar Mr deshpremi :))

I work in a certain aspect of the film industry and also worked as a journalist for a decade including as a film critic, while donkeys read my garbage and decided whether or not they were going to watch a film :)

I'm also a techie by qualification, so don't mind my rants against your community :jimmy
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Would love to admire some of your omniscient reviews. Can you direct me to them?
 
LongtimeLurk3r said:
I guess you probably do need a day job though.
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Don't need a day job. Don't have one. I work in an aspect of the industry because I have a certain skill that some people think is useful. I'm happily retired in my early 30s. Enjoy your lifelong dayjob :)
 
pillionrider said:
Used to write for Deccan Herald.

Now I write on on horror movies and world cinema on some random blogs. Don't think you'd be interested.
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I would love to read the reviews of such an omniscient person. Don't come across film critics with your talent everyday. Humble to boot as well!
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
Watch this video and in case you do not speak the language, the army guy said: "I can shoot you and no one will even ask me a question about it" in other word, murder with complete impunity.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Another shocking video comes out of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a>. Indian army men beat and abuse three Kashmiri youth. <a href="https://t.co/iGOxLxEfnt">pic.twitter.com/iGOxLxEfnt</a></p>— Ahmer Khan (@ahmermkhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/ahmermkhan/status/853478840013733889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 16, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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What does this post have, that is related to the movie being discussed in the thread ?.

What you posted are of the after effects once the Pandits were driven out, karma, we all go round and round.

START a new thread to discuss your post....Stick to the topic and stop deflecting.
 
pillionrider said:
Used to write for Deccan Herald.

Now I write on on horror movies and world cinema on some random blogs. Don't think you'd be interested.
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Is Deccan Herald and Deccan chronicle same?

Reading Deccan Herald news since last Couple of months.
Before elections they have published lot of garbage against BJP and Bahubali elevations to Priyanka, Akhilesh and others. They were on bashing mode until results day.

DH is Left leaning news paper like many other mainstream media with full bias.
 
Romali_rotti said:
What does this post have, that is related to the movie being discussed in the thread ?.

What you posted are of the after effects once the Pandits were driven out, karma, we all go round and round.

START a new thread to discuss your post....Stick to the topic and stop deflecting.
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So, in the movie, you are portraying Kashmiri Muslims as individuals who won't even hesitate to kill their own mothers.

When in reality, your army is torturing unarmed youth. And the video was posted by Indian army itself.

This post is very relevant to this hate spreading movie.

Brainwashed and sick, to the core.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
So, in the movie, you are portraying Kashmiri Muslims as individuals who won't even hesitate to kill their own mothers.

When in reality, your army is torturing unarmed youth. And the video was posted by Indian army itself.

This post is very relevant to this hate spreading movie.

Brainwashed and sick, to the core.
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This is not a portrayal.. It is a real life person Bitta Karate that did this... The guy in the movie is supposed to be a combination of Bitta Karate and Yasin Malik

https://youtu.be/VsDhlCBCD7Q

Go to 1:50 in the video
 
LongtimeLurk3r said:
This is not a portrayal.. It is a real life person Bitta Karate that did this... The guy in the movie is supposed to be a combination of Bitta Karate and Yasin Malik

https://youtu.be/VsDhlCBCD7Q

Go to 1:50 in the video
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So, the tweet video also happened.

Kashmiri Muslims, in their day to day life, are beaten, humiliated and murdered.

I am sure in the movie they won't show Indian army raping entire villages (As many as 150 girls and women were raped that night, not even kids were spared.). That also happened in real life. Victims are still alive, and they matter.

https://thediplomat.com/2018/02/all-these-years-later-do-not-forget-the-kunan-poshpora-mass-rapes/


Push your lies and propaganda somewhere else.

We know you too damn well.

...to be Abdul Wani. To return from an overnight business trip to Srinagar and find your front door broken, your two sons in bed electrocuted, your wife and three daughters raped, and your family’s barn turned into the village torture chamber?
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Cpt. Rishwat said:
Mission Kashmir and the rest will be anti-Pakistan propaganda also. Come back when you can tell me Bollywood has made a film about the Gujarat massacre and your PM's part in it.
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Who said our PM was involved in Gujarat massacre? The SIT committee and supreme court has given him clean chit. So why would Bollywood show our PM has any part in it without any evidence and going against the court? That movie will face legal hassle and producers money will go down the drain.

But there were several movies/documentaries being made on Gujarat riots along with Godhra incidents. All available in Netflix.

Also, most big Bollywood production houses is known for their love for Pakistan and anti India/hindu stance. So you are banging the wrong door if you think Bollywood (of all industry) only shows one side of the story. If anything, its totally opposite. See movies like PK for example, how openly anti-hindu it is.

Its the people of India who is more awaken now and knows which films/producers/actors to support. Gone are those days when someone like Karan Johar cast multiple superstars in a love story with multiple songs and it will be an instant hit. Make a movie like that today...no one will watch it.

Now people only want truth and post truth.

Hamara desh badal raha hai :kp
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
So, the tweet video also happened.

Kashmiri Muslims, in their day to day life, are beaten, humiliated and murdered.

I am sure in the movie they won't show Indian army raping entire villages (As many as 150 girls and women were raped that night, not even kids were spared.). That also happened in real life. Victims are still alive, and they matter.

https://thediplomat.com/2018/02/all-these-years-later-do-not-forget-the-kunan-poshpora-mass-rapes/


Push your lies and propaganda somewhere else.

We know you too damn well.
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So you admit that monsters like Bitta Karate killed a lot of ppl in an organized genocide?

The tweet is on guys arrested as stone pelters. Difference is despite getting caught for throwing stones they are still alive.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
So, the tweet video also happened.

Kashmiri Muslims, in their day to day life, are beaten, humiliated and murdered.

I am sure in the movie they won't show Indian army raping entire villages (As many as 150 girls and women were raped that night, not even kids were spared.). That also happened in real life. Victims are still alive, and they matter.

https://thediplomat.com/2018/02/all-these-years-later-do-not-forget-the-kunan-poshpora-mass-rapes/


Push your lies and propaganda somewhere else.

We know you too damn well.
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Also you keep saying propaganda... Which part is propaganda?
 
LongtimeLurk3r said:
So you admit that monsters like Bitta Karate killed a lot of ppl in an organized genocide?

The tweet is on guys arrested as stone pelters. Difference is despite getting caught for throwing stones they are still alive.
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Does it matter whether I admit something or not?

In the tweet they are accusing them, torturing them and threatening to kill them.

Difference is despite getting caught for throwing stones they are still alive.
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Oh, they should be thankful to Indian army for letting them breathe.

Soldiers enter the house, put the gun at the temple of my father and tie up the younger men. They demand food and after consuming it, they hold the hand of the most beautiful daughter in front of the parents and brothers and take her to another room and rape her throughout the night. They separate men folk outside and molest and rape women inside…. We have to obey; otherwise they either kill our men on flimsy grounds or beat them to pulp or do something like that.
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What do you say about these victims? Should they also be thankful to India for getting raped and being still alive?
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
Does it matter whether I admit something or not?

In the tweet they are accusing them, torturing them and threatening to kill them.



Oh, they should be thankful to Indian army for letting them breathe.


What do you say about these victims? Should they also be thankful to India for getting raped and being still alive?
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They should. Unlike the Pak army known for its humanity in Balochistan, Bangladesh etc. Indian Army is quite barbaric... Especially to those that attacked them..

That said, let's discuss the movie that you called propaganda. What is the propaganda bit?
 
Rubbish movie annoyingly being promoted by the IT Cell at full flow. Wont change a damn thing. These Kashmiri pundits were taken out by the GOI itself and got them free jobs and degrees all over India.
 
propaganda machine of india in full flow, when they cant make there people belive lies, they make movies about it,
 
Stewie said:
Why dont they make a film regarding the situation with Kashmir in and around the time of partition and how the plebiscite has been denied to the people of Kashmir?
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Who is stopping anyone from making such movie? Ind is a democratic country, anyone can make movies on any topic. Maybe Salman Khan will make kind of a movie you are suggesting :)
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
So, the tweet video also happened.

Kashmiri Muslims, in their day to day life, are beaten, humiliated and murdered.

I am sure in the movie they won't show Indian army raping entire villages (As many as 150 girls and women were raped that night, not even kids were spared.). That also happened in real life. Victims are still alive, and they matter.

https://thediplomat.com/2018/02/all-these-years-later-do-not-forget-the-kunan-poshpora-mass-rapes/


Push your lies and propaganda somewhere else.

We know you too damn well.
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his book, Ethnography of Social Trauma in Jammu and Kashmir, TM Shah details another of incident’s account by one 60-year-old widow, Fauzia:

Soldiers enter the house, put the gun at the temple of my father and tie up the younger men. They demand food and after consuming it, they hold the hand of the most beautiful daughter in front of the parents and brothers and take her to another room and rape her throughout the night. They separate men folk outside and molest and rape women inside…. We have to obey; otherwise they either kill our men on flimsy grounds or beat them to pulp or do something like that.


Terrorist army. That's why they need nearly a million of them in Kashmir. Almost one for each Kashmiri.

This orgy of violence will soon be visited on the Indian Muslims

Only on PP you have such scummy BJP supporters. What misfortune.
 
LongtimeLurk3r said:
They should. Unlike the Pak army known for its humanity in Balochistan, Bangladesh etc. Indian Army is quite barbaric... Especially to those that attacked them..

That said, let's discuss the movie that you called propaganda. What is the propaganda bit?
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How do you know that it isn’t propaganda? Where do you get your Kashmir information from?
 
LongtimeLurk3r said:
They should. Unlike the Pak army known for its humanity in Balochistan, Bangladesh etc. Indian Army is quite barbaric... Especially to those that attacked them..

That said, let's discuss the movie that you called propaganda. What is the propaganda bit?
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I havent watched it because I'd rather stare at a wall than watch Bollywood.

But I have watched the trailer.

Its says 'Brutally Honest'...

So I assume they go into detail of abuses from the Indian army too? Esp rapes of schoolgirls?
 
Pakpak said:
his book, Ethnography of Social Trauma in Jammu and Kashmir, TM Shah details another of incident’s account by one 60-year-old widow, Fauzia:

Soldiers enter the house, put the gun at the temple of my father and tie up the younger men. They demand food and after consuming it, they hold the hand of the most beautiful daughter in front of the parents and brothers and take her to another room and rape her throughout the night. They separate men folk outside and molest and rape women inside…. We have to obey; otherwise they either kill our men on flimsy grounds or beat them to pulp or do something like that.


Terrorist army. That's why they need nearly a million of them in Kashmir. Almost one for each Kashmiri.

This orgy of violence will soon be visited on the Indian Muslims

Only on PP you have such scummy BJP supporters. What misfortune.
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These people are brainwashed and sickened.

They have oppressed, raped and murdered Kashmiris for generations.

I repeat, for generations.

Heck, we all remember some idiot who shoved us in the market a decade ago, or someone who honked at us, or fight we had in high school.

Do they really think Kashmiris will forget all that traumatic violence overnight?

What do they expect of Kashmiri youth? To forget all this violence and sing 'jana gana mana'?

:facepalm:

Brainwashed and sickened to the core. The saddest part is, they don't even realize that.
 
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WhenSultansBowled said:
Does it matter whether I admit something or not?

In the tweet they are accusing them, torturing them and threatening to kill them.



Oh, they should be thankful to Indian army for letting them breathe.


What do you say about these victims? Should they also be thankful to India for getting raped and being still alive?
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Why were they arrested in 1st place that is the question being asked. The video only shows a part of it.

You think army just out of their whims picked up random innocent people from street and started torturing them?

These guys were stone pelting at Indian army...what you expect in return? You do realize right in most countries army has shoot on sight order? At least Indian army is not shooting them even after being pelted with stones. If anything the tweet and video you shared is the classic propaganda without any post truth.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Stopped reading there.
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Of course you would bcoz you don't want to hear facts. I ask again, who said our PM was involved in Gujarat riots? Which courts or which committee or which law in which country has accused him? Just bcoz you saying makes him guilty is it?

You are free to believe whatever you want. But India is run by law and order. No one is guilty unless court has incarcerated that person.

So basically you want bollywood to make a movie blaming Modi for Gujarat going against the court of law. Waah :91:
 
Rajdeep said:
Why were they arrested in 1st place that is the question being asked. The video only shows a part of it.

You think army just out of their whims picked up random innocent people from street and started torturing them?

These guys were stone pelting at Indian army...what you expect in return? You do realize right in most countries army has shoot on sight order? At least Indian army is not shooting them even after being pelted with stones. If anything the tweet and video you shared is the classic propaganda without any post truth.
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Classic victim blaming.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
These people are brainwashed and sickened.

They have oppressed, raped and murdered Kashmiris for generations.

I repeat, for generations.

Heck, we all remember some idiot who shoved us in the market a decade ago, or someone who honked at us, or fight we had in high school.

Do they really think Kashmiris will forget all that traumatic violence overnight?

What do they expect of Kashmiri youth? To forget all this violence and sing 'jana gana mana'?

:facepalm:

Brainwashed and sickened to the core. The saddest part is, they don't even realize that.
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One of my wife's close friends was Kashmiri (IOK), Muslim. She used to be indifferent to Indian government and didn't care at all as she said its not a big deal. The biggest apolitical person I have seen.

The same person now despises the Indian army, the Indian government and wants them out. This is what India has done to the younger generation. I think I have mentioned this on PP before too.

When people fight the army and die for it it means the state has failed somewhere regardless of who's funding who. I even believe that for Balochistan when I see dead Baloch militants. I always think we have failed them that they pick up arms and are willing to die for it.

On other portals online I see Indians admit this, so many of them now. Somehow its only PP which attracts the scummy Hindutuva brigade who agree with isolate Pakistan everywhere yet infest this board
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
Classic victim blaming.
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I am not going into details if they are victim or not. Infact, I am sure these guys have a story on their own where they were treated unfairly. But that is beyond the point. The fact is if you take law in your hand and resort to violence against army of a country, what you expect in return? Armies are trained for this and how to use retaliation tactics.
 
Rajdeep said:
I am not going into details if they are victim or not. Infact, I am sure these guys have a story on their own where they were treated unfairly. But that is beyond the point. The fact is if you take law in your hand and resort to violence against army of a country, what you expect in return? Armies are trained for this and how to use retaliation tactics.
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Under every moral, universal and modern int law, you have a right to self defence against any occupying force. Are you not aware of what is happening in Ukraine? Russia has invaded , the Int community is not only allowing resistance against occupation but also helping them with weapons. Why do you think the Kashmiris shouldnt resist a brutal army which has raped, torturted and murdered thousands of their people?
 
KingKhanWC said:
Under every moral, universal and modern int law, you have a right to self defence against any occupying force. Are you not aware of what is happening in Ukraine? Russia has invaded , the Int community is not only allowing resistance against occupation but also helping them with weapons. Why do you think the Kashmiris shouldnt resist a brutal army which has raped, torturted and murdered thousands of their people?
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The answer lies in your question. As you said international community is helping Ukraine against invading Russians. Why you think no international community anywhere on the globe buys the narrative of Kashmir? And dont tell me India's clout is so much that world is scared to raise their voice against us. We are not even half as strong as Russia. The reason international community dont support Kashmir cause because they are aware most of it is propaganda.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Under every moral, universal and modern int law, you have a right to self defence against any occupying force. Are you not aware of what is happening in Ukraine? Russia has invaded , the Int community is not only allowing resistance against occupation but also helping them with weapons. Why do you think the Kashmiris shouldnt resist a brutal army which has raped, torturted and murdered thousands of their people?
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With the CAA racist law which came into force this future also likely awaits the Indian Muslims.

Go to a Hindutva watch list page, it lists crimes everyday. Sickening crimes. Most with videos and pictures. Tomorrow if an Indian Muslim rises up then these same BJP cheerleaders will be blaming Pakistan

If Pakistan did what India does in Kashmir I would spit on our army.
 
Rajdeep said:
The answer lies in your question. As you said international community is helping Ukraine against invading Russians. Why you think no international community anywhere on the globe buys the narrative of Kashmir? And dont tell me India's clout is so much that world is scared to raise their voice against us. We are not even half as strong as Russia. The reason international community dont support Kashmir cause because they are aware most of it is propaganda.
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The Int Community is not the law, its Nato and its lapdogs. This also includes India as Nato want India to do its bidding against China.

Thanks for confirming you believe Might is right and you accept Kashmir is being occupied. But dont then be upset if those fighting for freedom attack your beloved forces.
 
Pakpak said:
With the CAA racist law which came into force this future also likely awaits the Indian Muslims.

Go to a Hindutva watch list page, it lists crimes everyday. Sickening crimes. Most with videos and pictures. Tomorrow if an Indian Muslim rises up then these same BJP cheerleaders will be blaming Pakistan

If Pakistan did what India does in Kashmir I would spit on our army.
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Same here. Paksitan army took nearly 50% of Kashmir, from what India believes is their land. Yet no Kashmiri in so called POK is resisting or attacking Pak troops. This should explain a lot to Indians but too much Bolllywood has influenced their minds thinking they are the good guys.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Same here. Paksitan army took nearly 50% of Kashmir, from what India believes is their land. Yet no Kashmiri in so called POK is resisting or attacking Pak troops. This should explain a lot to Indians but too much Bolllywood has influenced their minds thinking they are the good guys.
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To add the evidence is that no Pakistani I know off is proud of what our army did in Bangladesh. Yet Indians will still bring out excuses.

Their government is using classic brainwashing tactics to brainwash an already deluded BJP base that Hindu good Muslim bad.

What Pakistan went through in the 2000s with terror, India will face ten times worse by the Hindutva mania they have unleashed and which will not go back in the bottle again. We had a problem with a few, India has nearly a billion who despise and hate Muslims which is why they keep voting I'm a racist bigoted party

If tomorrow Imran Khan or his CM said if one Muslim dies we will kill and rape a 100 like Yogi said....I'd curse PTI. If Imran Khan was a CM in a state where riots killed thousands of Hindus I'd curse him

Not here though. In India such "rock stars" are celebrated.

BJP and RSS is scummy and so are it's supporters.
 
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