Kashmir was never integral part of India, India became colonizing power after Independence:Arundhati

[Mian]

Activist Arundhati Roy, who created a controversy by questioning Jammu and Kashmir's accession to the Union, on Sunday said the State was never an integral part of India.

“Kashmir has never been an integral part of India. It is a historical fact. Even the Indian government has accepted this,” the Booker Prize winner said.

Ms. Roy alleged that India became “colonising power” soon after its Independence from the British rule.

She was speaking at a seminar on the theme ‘Wither Kashmir: Freedom or enslavement' organised by the Coalition of Civil Societies (CCS) here.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...l-part-of-India-Arundhati/article15794308.ece

 

[LegendInzi]

Funny how the opinions of secular activists from across the border are referenced and considered halal...

 

[Dagestani_Eagle]

Someone should ask her why she considered Serbian occupation of Bosnia legitimate.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Funny how the opinions of secular activists from across the border are referenced and considered halal...

No one made any mention of it being halal other than you. If you disagree with the author's opinion, simply state your case.

 

[Pakistanian]

Someone should ask her why she considered Serbian occupation of Bosnia legitimate.

This whataboutism was expected lol

 

[LegendInzi]

No one made any mention of it being halal other than you. If you disagree with the author's opinion, simply state your case.

OP is dismissive of anything said to by Pakistani liberal, seculars, activists et al. But shamelessly references the words of counterparts from across the border

 

[Mian]

OP is dismissive of anything said to by Pakistani liberal, seculars, activists et al. But shamelessly references the words of counterparts from across the border

Did i mention anything after posting this news or you are gone blind? All i did is shared a news i was reading and what's wrong with that? Next time try harder

 

[LegendInzi]

Did i mention anything after posting this news or you are gone blind? All i did is shared a news i was reading and what's wrong with that? Next time try harder

Lol, so do you disagree with her views then?

 

[Mian]

Lol, so do you disagree with her views then?

So sharing a news means agreeing or disagreeing? show me the rules where it says you need to agree or disagree with a news to share it here

 

[LegendInzi]

So sharing a news means agreeing or disagreeing? show me the rules where it says you need to agree or disagree with a news to share it here

Lol stop playing dumb, we all know what your implied intention was with sharing this particular news story. At least stand your ground: its one thing being a hypocrite, next level being a shameless hypocrite and the last one being a phattu shameless hypocrite.

 

[Mian]

Lol stop playing dumb, we all know what your implied intention was with sharing this particular news story. At least stand your ground: its one thing being a hypocrite, next level being a shameless hypocrite and the last one being a phattu shameless hypocrite.

Ab Munafiq dusron ko apne laqab se pukaarenge? Aik Munafiq dusre ko Munafiq kehta hua

 

[LegendInzi]

Ab Munafiq dusron ko apne laqab se pukaarenge? Aik Munafiq dusre ko Munafiq kehta hua

khisyani billi khamba noche...

 

[Mian]

khisyani billi khamba noche...

billi hona behter he ap jese munafiq hone se

 

[Vegitto1]

Lol stop playing dumb, we all know what your implied intention was with sharing this particular news story. At least stand your ground: its one thing being a hypocrite, next level being a shameless hypocrite and the last one being a phattu shameless hypocrite.

You sound like a desperate PML-N Supporter.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

OP is dismissive of anything said to by Pakistani liberal, seculars, activists et al. But shamelessly references the words of counterparts from across the border

Topic isn't about the poster, otherwise if we go down that route we can't discuss anything. As it happens seculars and liberals from both sides of the border would probably agree on the topic so might be worth discussing the merits of said topic rather than shooting the messenger.

 

[JaDed]

Is she saying it wasn't a part of India before 1947 or 1 year after 1947?

 

[Pakistanian]

Lol stop playing dumb, we all know what your implied intention was with sharing this particular news story. At least stand your ground: its one thing being a hypocrite, next level being a shameless hypocrite and the last one being a phattu shameless hypocrite.

Stay on topic.

 

[akki]

Ab Munafiq dusron ko apne laqab se pukaarenge? Aik Munafiq dusre ko Munafiq kehta hua

Manafiq means matlabi ?? Laqab means ??

 

[CricketCartoons]

Topic isn't about the poster, otherwise if we go down that route we can't discuss anything. As it happens seculars and liberals from both sides of the border would probably agree on the topic so might be worth discussing the merits of said topic rather than shooting the messenger.

She is not a liberal. At least not the typical indian liberal which you see. While most of indians will say kashmir is integral part of India, the freshly minted liberal will come and express sympathy and say, things are not as simple as they look, there are lots of nuances, we should be humane to the separatists but Kashmir kind of belongs to India. Or the maximum they would offer is..let the valley be independent, but rest stays with India. Pakistanis usually welcome such intellectual liberals and say wow POTW! Glad that there are Indians like you! and bro you are the most balanced Indian I have come across. But make no mistake, they are all the same. The echo chamber is so full of the usual suspects, that anyone offering an extra inch sounds revolutionary. The apple doesnt fall far from the tree. The indian liberal is one who says there is nothing to be proud of India or Pakistan, but we are 4/10 while Pakistan is 3/10. The liberal is the same who says we should have friendship with Pakistan, but we don't want India to become a Hindu Pakistan.

 

[Dagestani_Eagle]

This whataboutism was expected lol

She reeks of hypocrisy. I support Right to Self Determination for everyone.

 

[Mian]

Manafiq means matlabi ?? Laqab means ??

Munafiq means hypocrite and laqab means label/title

 

[troodon]

Every state and region of the world needs a referendum. Many region of various countries have lots of issues and they all need right for self determination.

 

[Bewal Express]

No one made any mention of it being halal other than you. If you disagree with the author's opinion, simply state your case.

After the brutal exposure of his duffer, things are coming apart.

 

[www787]

OP is dismissive of anything said to by Pakistani liberal, seculars, activists et al. But shamelessly references the words of counterparts from across the border

Aren't you a supporter of Mujay kyu Nikala?

Far from being liberal. More of a lota or octopus, switches side and narrative as long as his and his family money is protected.

and, what is being liberal?

 

[moghul]

Someone should ask her why she considered Serbian occupation of Bosnia legitimate.

Is this your best answer ?

 

[Pakistanian]

She reeks of hypocrisy. I support Right to Self Determination for everyone.

I don't know why you've appropriated the title of 'Dagestani Eagle', the real Dagestani eagle is a proud Muslim and would support his Muslims bros wherever. It's ironic you're using his name to post comments contrary what him and his people believe.

 

[Dagestani_Eagle]

I don't know why you've appropriated the title of 'Dagestani Eagle', the real Dagestani eagle is a proud Muslim and would support his Muslims bros wherever. It's ironic you're using his name to post comments contrary what him and his people believe.

Again, I support RTSD for everyone including J&K. Why is it so hard to understand that I am pointing out the hypocrisy of Arundati Roy whilst at the same time supporting everyone's right to self determination!

 

[Dagestani_Eagle]

Is this your best answer ?

This

Again, I support RTSD for everyone including J&K. Why is it so hard to understand that I am pointing out the hypocrisy of Arundati Roy whilst at the same time supporting everyone's right to self determination!

 

[gani999]

Arundhati is an attention-seeker par excellence. She will say whatever will keep her in the news. Anyone thinking that she has the interests of the Kashmiris at heart is living in a cloud cukoo land.

She should have stuck to writing books. Her 'God of Small Things' is a real masterpiece.

 

[Pakistanian]

Arundhati is an attention-seeker par excellence. She will say whatever will keep her in the news. Anyone thinking that she has the interests of the Kashmiris at heart is living in a cloud cukoo land.

She should have stuck to writing books. Her 'God of Small Things' is a real masterpiece.

None of that matters rn. She's on point here! Focus on the message not the messenger.

 

[Mr.Q]

I don’t quite understand the ‘historical fact’ the lady is talking about. Kashmir is an integral part of India and will remain that way for ever. Whatever issues the Kashmiris are facing will be sorted out. The reality is Kashmir will never survive as an independent state. Even Pakistan is not supporting that idea. Either it’ll be a part of Pakistan or a part of India they say.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I don’t quite understand the ‘historical fact’ the lady is talking about. Kashmir is an integral part of India and will remain that way for ever. Whatever issues the Kashmiris are facing will be sorted out. The reality is Kashmir will never survive as an independent state. Even Pakistan is not supporting that idea. Either it’ll be a part of Pakistan or a part of India they say.

It's okay if you don't understand, that is why Roy has given clarification that even Indian govt accepted her view, to make it easier for people to digest the historical facts.

 

[Mr.Q]

It's okay if you don't understand, that is why Roy has given clarification that even Indian govt accepted her view, to make it easier for people to digest the historical facts.

Captain, if you understand that historical fact, kindly explain.

Every state in India has its own history. Why would the government deny that? Government will accept everything including the incidents involving Maharaja Hari Singh. No state in India was a part of India because ‘India’ was formed by uniting all those states. Kashmir and a few other states initially wanted to stay independent but later they joined India for different reasons. In Kashmir’s case, it was the fear of Pakistani invasion. Kashmir is our ‘heaven on earth’. We’re not giving it back to anyone .

There should be freedom of speech and expression. She can say whatever she wants. I can very easily explain why she’s running around with these opinions and her opinions on some ‘other’ things. But that’d be a silly thing to do.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's okay if you don't understand, that is why Roy has given clarification that even Indian govt accepted her view, to make it easier for people to digest the historical facts.

No Indian govt has accepted that. FYI the view of the Indian govt is that J and K is a integral part of India. This has been tge view since the signing of accession.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Captain, if you understand that historical fact, kindly explain.

Every state in India has its own history. Why would the government deny that? Government will accept everything including the incidents involving Maharaja Hari Singh. No state in India was a part of India because ‘India’ was formed by uniting all those states. Kashmir and a few other states initially wanted to stay independent but later they joined India for different reasons. In Kashmir’s case, it was the fear of Pakistani invasion. Kashmir is our ‘heaven on earth’. We’re not giving it back to anyone .

There should be freedom of speech and expression. She can say whatever she wants. I can very easily explain why she’s running around with these opinions and her opinions on some ‘other’ things. But that’d be a silly thing to do.

By that logic, Pakistan would also be part of India. I think we need to get away from siding with government propaganda i.e., Indian view/Pakistani view and look at Kashmir as a state through history, then we might glean the truth of the matter which is what I believe Roy is hinting at.

 

[Mr.Q]

By that logic, Pakistan would also be part of India.

Pakistan was never a part of India. It was a part of British India. Sadly we got separated post independence.

I think we need to get away from siding with government propaganda i.e., Indian view/Pakistani view and look at Kashmir as a state through history, then we might glean the truth of the matter which is what I believe Roy is hinting at.

This is the part I don’t understand. How are they different from Indians or Pakistanis? India is a land of diverse culture and history. People in different parts of India speak different languages and follow different cultures. So this ‘Kashmir is different’ argument holds no value. And Kashmiris aren’t the only Muslims in India either.

The Kashmir issue is a combination of religionism + the tussle between two countries for a piece of land. Kashmir was turned into a battlefield post independence. The innocent people of Kashmir deserve peace. But liberation isn’t the solution. It will never bring them peace as their land will then be used as a launchpad to carry out attacks on India. And the people sitting in Dili will never commit such a strategic suicide. That is if we forget the past. We have sacrificed the lives of 1000s of jawans to keep that land intact. We can only move forward through cooperation.

This is a very broad topic captain. I don’t think we’ll ever know what was in Madam Roy’s mind.