Keep Inzamam-ul-Haq and Mickey Arthur as Chief Selector and Head Coach but keep them on their toes

[Shafi]

I am a super critic of Inzamam and Micky but want them to stay in the job because their replacement could be Yousuf/Latif and Mohsin Khan who would even worse. We will see players like Faisal, Kamran, Gul, Shafiq will return to our LOI set up.

Both Micky and Inzi showed some glance of good job at the initial stages. If they are given brief counseling what we fans and country want from them it will head toward right direction. Team selection should be based on merit and performances and no over 32 years of age players should be selected. Time for non-performers to show the door.

Also we need sporting pitches where both genuine fast bowlers and batsmen can show their talent instead of dead pitches like UAE. Young players should be given more chances on A tours and main team selection.

Any thought please!!!

 

[Markhor]

Agree fully.

 

[MMHS]

Arthur actually is a good coach. He has his limitations while operating with PCT & spinning conditions but still he has improved individual skills of several players. What we are watching now is players under Arthur for almost 3 years - what we haven’t seen is same players under WY or Mohsin Khan ...,,

I don’t think there can be anyone worse than Inzamam as CS, so change is better. For a CS, one can have few weaknesses- nepotistic, biased, lazi, clueless, egoistic, arrogant, simpleton, too dominating, vision less, lack of passion, duplicitous .... but, it’s almost impossible to find someone with every such quality (or lack of opposite).

 

[Farhan93]

Who will keep them on their toes? Mani - the puppet?

Or Wasim Khan who doesn't even know A, B, C of PCB's culture?


Micky is TTF and Inzi is corrupt both should be sacked within a week. Give more power to the captain and appoint a better person as CS and keep him accountable for every selection/omission

 

[Shafi]

Arthur actually is a good coach. He has his limitations while operating with PCT & spinning conditions but still he has improved individual skills of several players. What we are watching now is players under Arthur for almost 3 years - what we haven’t seen is same players under WY or Mohsin Khan ...,,

I don’t think there can be anyone worse than Inzamam as CS, so change is better. For a CS, one can have few weaknesses- nepotistic, biased, lazi, clueless, egoistic, arrogant, simpleton, too dominating, vision less, lack of passion, duplicitous .... but, it’s almost impossible to find someone with every such quality (or lack of opposite).

Do you think Mohsin Khan/ Salauddin/ Haroon/intikhab/Latif/Miandad/Moin any better than Inzamam in terms of selecting players?

 

[topspin]

Fully agree on Mickey but I would like to see Inzy reassigned as batting coach (in place of Grant Flower), given his strengths lie more on the technical side particularly with batting. He's not analytically capable of handling the CS role and is hence why the basis of his selections is on reputation and known names even if they are chronic failures.

He's been of great help for Imam's development with his batting as evident by his improvements in playing the short ball. Before the SA tour he was a sitting duck against the shorter stuff but has managed to iron out this weakness in a short space of time and Inzy deserves all the credit for that.

Ex-Pakistan players have always been appointed for the CS role but unfortunately they do not have the analytical aptitude to grasp the modern demands of the game. It is time we appoint we appoint a foreign CS who has sound knowledge of Pakistan cricket and is committed to following the latest developments of players in domestics. Dean Jones with his passion for and enthusiasm to help Pakistan cricket is the first name that comes to mind for this role but I'm not sure if he would want this take this role.

 

[MMHS]

Do you think Mohsin Khan/ Salauddin/ Haroon/intikhab/Latif/Miandad/Moin any better than Inzamam in terms of selecting players?

I do believe that & I am honest here after watching each of them in several capacities for over 3 decades now.

Sallu was Selector or CS for 8 times if I am not wrong and he did a great job to be honest. Always, in his squad there would be couple of new faces & he would make sure that those younger players do get some games. Also, average age of Sallu’s team was much lower - one reason could be age cheating now days has come down to 3-5 years level from 5-7 years in past, but still I found Sallu much more enthusiastic (in terms of fresh blood). And, guy used to watch lots of domestic cricket - at least his comments were not clueless.

Mohsin definitely was a better CS than head coach - at least he knew what was his team's core strength & where to plug in gaps.

Haroon is hard done by here in PP, but the guy was CS during WY coaching era with Misbah/Azhar Captain. He was a shocking Manager/Coach, but guy used to watch domestic players and I was quite happy with his A Team/U23 squads.

Intekhab is a living legend in PAK cricket. For last 10-12 years guy is operating into his 70s, so obviously there’ll be lapses but he comes with 6 decades of involvement in PAK cricket with 12+ years of County expousure, and he was made a County Captain for his leadership.... these days hardly any PAK player will make minor county side as Captain. Can’t recall much now, but I was often impressed with the explanation (of squad) given by Inti - he wasn’t clueless for sure and won’t ever do trolling like defending 6 pacers in UAE Asia Cup .... for net practice.

Others I am not sure when or how long been CS/S but I am sure Latif won’t be worse. He has regional bias, but guy follows cricket passionately and doesn’t represent a religious clan - won’t be in Canada trip when team is struggling on field. And, being a Mohazir from Karachi, Rashid Latif won’t ever be given the God like freedom that your current CS is enjoying - there’ll be a check & balance.

Only CS who could be a match was probably Qasim - may not be that nepotistic or duplicitous, but equally clueless & he also hardly bothered to watch domestic games. But remember, Qasim was a PIA (or NBP) employee and an honorary CS - this guy Ul Haq is highly paid and probably first full time professional CS of PCB, PCT deserved more than this. Even in PSL, I have seen him watching games mostly when his nephew was playing.

 

[Abdullah719]

Fully agree on Mickey but I would like to see Inzy reassigned as batting coach (in place of Grant Flower), given his strengths lie more on the technical side particularly with batting. He's not analytically capable of handling the CS role and is hence why the basis of his selections is on reputation and known names even if they are chronic failures.

He's been of great help for Imam's development with his batting as evident by his improvements in playing the short ball. Before the SA tour he was a sitting duck against the shorter stuff but has managed to iron out this weakness in a short space of time and Inzy deserves all the credit for that.

Ex-Pakistan players have always been appointed for the CS role but unfortunately they do not have the analytical aptitude to grasp the modern demands of the game. It is time we appoint we appoint a foreign CS who has sound knowledge of Pakistan cricket and is committed to following the latest developments of players in domestics. Dean Jones with his passion for and enthusiasm to help Pakistan cricket is the first name that comes to mind for this role but I'm not sure if he would want this take this role.

I don't think a foreigner as CS is a good idea.

No matter how well someone like Deano does with IU, at the end of the day he won't know the ins and outs of domestic cricket.

It needs to be someone well acquainted with the domestic cricket system, the players, and someone who also knows the strengths and (many) weaknesses of the system. Possibly someone like Bazid Khan.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Keeping Mickey Arthur on his toes is a really good idea whereas Inzamam-Ul-Haq should be sacked with Bazid Khan coming in.

 

[Shafi]

Arthur actually is a good coach. He has his limitations while operating with PCT & spinning conditions but still he has improved individual skills of several players. What we are watching now is players under Arthur for almost 3 years - what we haven’t seen is same players under WY or Mohsin Khan ...,,

I don’t think there can be anyone worse than Inzamam as CS, so change is better. For a CS, one can have few weaknesses- nepotistic, biased, lazi, clueless, egoistic, arrogant, simpleton, too dominating, vision less, lack of passion, duplicitous .... but, it’s almost impossible to find someone with every such quality (or lack of opposite).

Thanks for your opinion

 

[JibranAnsari]

The problem is the domestic system , no selectors or coach can improve the domestic matches and the pitches on which the matches are played. We have to be content with the mediocrity.

 

[Rana]

Having profound knowledge of the domestic circuit is one thing, but having the ability to identify the individuals, the youngsters that should go on to do well at international cricket is different quality. I think that the reason that serves Inzimam as chief selector is because he himself was identified as a potential world class talent at a young age, and he went to to play a career at the highest level as a world class player himself. Inzi's job is simply to identify those gems in the domestic circuit or at under 19s level.

This is why I dont think that having vast knowledge of all the members of each domestic team is enough, nor do I believe that having the best statistics at domestic level is a complete indicator of what the player will offer at INTL cricket.

 

[Farhan93]

Having profound knowledge of the domestic circuit is one thing, but having the ability to identify the individuals, the youngsters that should go on to do well at international cricket is different quality. I think that the reason that serves Inzimam as chief selector is because he himself was identified as a potential world class talent at a young age, and he went to to play a career at the highest level as a world class player himself. Inzi's job is simply to identify those gems in the domestic circuit or at under 19s level.

This is why I dont think that having vast knowledge of all the members of each domestic team is enough, nor do I believe that having the best statistics at domestic level is a complete indicator of what the player will offer at INTL cricket.

More often than not real FC or List A performer performs at International level provided that the player is picked for the right format. By real I mean 'real' not one season wonder or performers of 1-2 Pakistan oneday cups.

Fakhar, Abbas, Yasir, Haris, Hasan,all of them have proved that when you pick right players (who's performed outstandingly well in domestic) for the right format they can become match winners at International level.


That's why I mention the likes of Sadaf, Saud, Kashif, Usman Salahuddin, Saad, Mir Hamza, Abid ali etc again and again because they also belong to that category of Abbas, Fakhar etc pick them in the right format 90 percent of them are gonna deliver for the national team, International cricket is tough but not tough enough for brilliant domestic performers. Our Fans, managment and selectors need to get that in their heads. Our issue is lack of merit, and even if we pick deserving players we often pick them for the wrong format. Abid Ali getting selected for ODIs is an example, Yasir Shah getting picked again and again in ODIs ahead of Irfan is another example and there are dozens more

 

[Syed1]

We gave them 4 years and we are borderline minnows. No thank you. Need new management post WC.

 

[unemployedgm]

Inzamam and Mickey are the not the answer. Unfortunately the cue of potential replacements is as terrible.

 

[Shaka81]

Mickey Arthur has become too complacent/stuck in his ways and Inzi is too lazy. We need a dynamic head coach who is willing to try new ideas and a chief selector who gets involved at all levels of domestic cricket in Pakistan, watches as many games as possible and identifies the best players to invest in and develop. Inzi just picks guys the media hype up or players who perform in PSL, often for the wrong format.

 

[topspin]

I don't think a foreigner as CS is a good idea.

No matter how well someone like Deano does with IU, at the end of the day he won't know the ins and outs of domestic cricket.

It needs to be someone well acquainted with the domestic cricket system, the players, and someone who also knows the strengths and (many) weaknesses of the system. Possibly someone like Bazid Khan.

I agree ideally the CS should indeed know the ins and outs of Pakistan's domestic cricket structure but even Inzy with his wealth of experience of playing at the top level, along with all those who preceded him have failed Pakistan cricket unfortunately.

Bazid Khan is an excellent suggestion and having heard his insights during commentary, you can easily see he's well informed about Pakistan's domestics. I would give him the nod over Deano.

But if he's not keen on the role and there are no other viable home grown options, it is imperative PCB does not do a lazy job of this, whereby settling for mediocrity in the mould of say Waqar Younis. Even though he's well acquainted with domestics, he is still living in the 90s and early 2000s.

Since there are so many other ex-players who would also make a hash of this job, the first priority has to be competence for the role (from an analytical perspective), before filtering out the applicants with the other desirable requisites for the role.

 

[Bilal7]

Mickey Arthur needs to go unless Pakistan puts in a good showing at the World Cup. He hasn't been able to motivate the team like he should have and quite a few players have regressed under him, most notably Amir. He's also been responsible for some of the blunders the PCT has committed recently, such as trying to play three pacers in test cricket in the UAE and being unnecessarily obsessed with fitness.

Inzamam should stay on as CS until the 2023 WC not because his replacements are likely to be far worse, but because he has been very good in the role. Almost every deserving player has received a fair chance at proving themselves and the TTFs have all but vanished from the PCT. He's also shown to be someone who doesn't take sh*t from anyone, which saved the PCT from a tussle over the captaincy after Misbah's retirement. No other selector has brought in the number of young players that he has either and our pace bowling stocks are full again after looking depleted under his predecessor.

Of course, Inzamam himself probably does not want this job that long. The PCB should start looking for his replacement, in collaboration with Inzamam himself. I think Misbah could do a decent job.

 

[Snowflake]

I would stick with the duo solely for the fact that this has been the first time our team has been rid of TTFs. This is no small feat in Pakistan cricket. Both the CS and Coach have stood up against massive pressure from the media and from the political circle. We all know the kind of power most of the TTFs wield in Pakistan cricket.

The young core that the team has been built around is talented and will come good. I do think Mickey and Inzi have done a good job and there's no reason to change them.

 

[emranabbas]

Bring back dav whatmore or waqar younas

 

[unemployedgm]

Mickey Arthur has become too complacent/stuck in his ways and Inzi is too lazy. We need a dynamic head coach who is willing to try new ideas and a chief selector who gets involved at all levels of domestic cricket in Pakistan, watches as many games as possible and identifies the best players to invest in and develop. Inzi just picks guys the media hype up or players who perform in PSL, often for the wrong format.

The best players in Pakistan are not playing domestic cricket. That is half the problem.

 

[unemployedgm]

I would stick with the duo solely for the fact that this has been the first time our team has been rid of TTFs. This is no small feat in Pakistan cricket. Both the CS and Coach have stood up against massive pressure from the media and from the political circle. We all know the kind of power most of the TTFs wield in Pakistan cricket.

The young core that the team has been built around is talented and will come good. I do think Mickey and Inzi have done a good job and there's no reason to change them.

TTFs are very much in the team.

 

[Snowflake]

TTFs are very much in the team.

How many though? Malik and Hafeez? Who else?

 

[Snowflake]

Bring back dav whatmore or waqar younas

) I hope that is sarcasm.

But yeah, those who are complaining deserve such coaches.

 

[zn426]

Mickey Arthur needs to go unless Pakistan puts in a good showing at the World Cup. He hasn't been able to motivate the team like he should have and quite a few players have regressed under him, most notably Amir. He's also been responsible for some of the blunders the PCT has committed recently, such as trying to play three pacers in test cricket in the UAE and being unnecessarily obsessed with fitness.

Inzamam should stay on as CS until the 2023 WC not because his replacements are likely to be far worse, but because he has been very good in the role. Almost every deserving player has received a fair chance at proving themselves and the TTFs have all but vanished from the PCT. He's also shown to be someone who doesn't take sh*t from anyone, which saved the PCT from a tussle over the captaincy after Misbah's retirement. No other selector has brought in the number of young players that he has either and our pace bowling stocks are full again after looking depleted under his predecessor.

Of course, Inzamam himself probably does not want this job that long. The PCB should start looking for his replacement, in collaboration with Inzamam himself. I think Misbah could do a decent job.

Did you just argue that being obsessed with fitness is somehow a bad thing?
Good fitness = hard work = work ethic.
CMA needs to stay. I argued when he came here he would need five years to make his full impact, he surprised us with the CT win, I'd give him until the 2023 world cup now. He's a very good coach and the structural improvements that needs to be made in Pakistan cricket are still taking time to pay off. I question selection strategy, but you should keep in mind that cricket is slowly returning to Pakistan and as you've seen, our players play better in Pakistan (see PSL). As the economy improves and we see more games at home, the ground conditions and infrastructure will improve.
He's got some players to work with in Babar, Imam ul-Haq, Hasan Ali, and Shaheen Shah Afridi. Let's not get ahead of ourselves and think there's a better coach out there.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

80% of PP can do better selection than Inzi and majority of ex-players.

We need to find someone who is deeply invested in Pak cricket and gives extra time to cricket just because of his love for Pakistan and the game.

 

[Hasan123]

We gave them 4 years and we are borderline minnows. No thank you. Need new management post WC.

As always ignoring who is the captain I see.
[MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION]

 

[Hasan123]

Sack Inzi. Don’t have a problem with keeping Arthur.

 

[gazza619]

Had enough of both

 

[Chokli]

As always ignoring who is the captain I see.
[MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION]

How can anything be poor Sarfraz's fault Bechara Sarfraz.

 

[Hasan123]

How can anything be poor Sarfraz's fault Bechara Sarfraz.

Inzi from the stands make the bowling changes. Whilst Arthur offers his opinion from the dressing room when Inzis plan isn't working. They also made Sarfraz abuse Andile.

The best thing is when it all goes right , you know who needs to take the credit ? Sarfraz best captain since IK Ahmed. But when things are going wrong it's Inzi and Arthur's fault.

 

[gazza619]

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[Titan24]

If Mickey is such a good coach as OP and some posters are implying why did Australian cricket let such a great asset go and not only go rather sack him after a small stint.

Anyone who is Mickey’s fan would like to share some of his master planning examples, extraordinary pitch reading and team selection?

 

[Bilal7]

Did you just argue that being obsessed with fitness is somehow a bad thing?
Good fitness = hard work = work ethic.
CMA needs to stay. I argued when he came here he would need five years to make his full impact, he surprised us with the CT win, I'd give him until the 2023 world cup now. He's a very good coach and the structural improvements that needs to be made in Pakistan cricket are still taking time to pay off. I question selection strategy, but you should keep in mind that cricket is slowly returning to Pakistan and as you've seen, our players play better in Pakistan (see PSL). As the economy improves and we see more games at home, the ground conditions and infrastructure will improve.
He's got some players to work with in Babar, Imam ul-Haq, Hasan Ali, and Shaheen Shah Afridi. Let's not get ahead of ourselves and think there's a better coach out there.

Being obsessed with it is a bad thing because it leads to players sacrificing time that could be spent honing their skills in favor of more hours in the gym. Some of the best batsmen and spinners the world has ever seen had mediocre fitness and this is because cricket does not require a lot of physical exertion unless you are a fast bowler. Even fielding is mostly based on your catching ability. However, this does not mean that players should completely forego the gym and fast bowlers should definitely be at peak physical condition. I just do not want to see Umar Akmal sent back to Pakistan because of anything other than poor batting form.

80% of PP can do better selection than Inzi and majority of ex-players.

We need to find someone who is deeply invested in Pak cricket and gives extra time to cricket just because of his love for Pakistan and the game.

These kind of comments are absurd and reek of both arrogance and ignorance. This is not a video-game and no, you cannot do better than the guys being paid to do their job.

If Mickey is such a good coach as OP and some posters are implying why did Australian cricket let such a great asset go and not only go rather sack him after a small stint.

Anyone who is Mickey’s fan would like to share some of his master planning examples, extraordinary pitch reading and team selection?

A very good point. Arthur is a decent coach but Pakistan can do better. Someone like Wasim Akram, Javed Miandad or even Younis Khan would make great head coaches. Given how young the team is, there is unlikely to be any sort of tussles between the players and coach. Plus, all three are good with youngsters.

 

[MMHS]

If Mickey is such a good coach as OP and some posters are implying why did Australian cricket let such a great asset go and not only go rather sack him after a small stint.

Anyone who is Mickey’s fan would like to share some of his master planning examples, extraordinary pitch reading and team selection?

I am an Arthur fan, and I take the responsibility to answer your question.

Australia is a proud sports nation, probably the greatest sporting country in terms of population ratio. Almost every major spectator games to medal sports, they are among the very best. Soccer is probably their weakest link (among major games), still they are smoking past total Asia to qualify for every WC and has won Asia Cup in their 2nd attempt. A nation that's arrogant for their achievements (not only in sports, they are among the top 10 defense forces as well, one of the strongest economy also), and take lots of pride in their possession. Take any major sports - Soccer, Cricket, Field Hockey, Basketball, Rugby .... to individual sports like Golf, Tennis, Squash ... to Medal events - from Herb Elliot to Kathy Freeman, from Kiren Perkins to Ian Thorpe, from Dawn Fraser to Libbey Trickett ... even in a English game like Snooker, they have Neil Robertson. I grew up as a kid in AUS and I know how much the Aussies put their pride on their sports possession, almost jingoistic madness.

Now, in their 150 years of history, to my memory Aussies had never, never appointed a foreigner as their Head Coach of Cricket, Hockey, Rugby teams, neither for their wonderful academies which has produced some of the greatest in history - from Heb Elliot to Rod Laver to Greg Norman to Grant Hackett or Lissel Jones..... and Aussies do take lots of pride in their sports heritage - they didn't copy paste British mantra, rather like Yanks, have developed their own sports tradition, has own sports - Aussie rules. In that country, Mickey Arthur was the FIRST non Aussie to take charge of their pride possession - Head Coach of the Baggie Green holders. It's like a French, German, English or Italian taking charge of any other 3 Countries of the 4 .... or a Argentine, Uruguayan taking charge of the Selecao ..... almost blasphemous.

In that context, still Micky Arthur could crack the job, which suggests he had enough in his resume, his interview pitch was impressive enough and his technical knowledge was adequate for CA to break a 150 years of tradition, over several top domestic applicants. He couldn't keep the job for his personality traits, which we have seen is his PAK tenure as well - too stubborn to adjust, to rigid to accept change, to arrogant to learn from mistakes. But, technically, guy is among the best available in the business, which was enough to impress the CA - we might think it otherwise here in PP, but CA does know what they are doing and what they want.

Mickey Arthur has created an alarming trend for him - he starts with a bang for his technical knowledge, but goofs-up within few years for his lack of soft skills. In corporate culture, such people often work as Project Manager on short term basis and changes office in every 1-2 years. In last 20 months, from his peak of CT win, the way fortune has turned for PCT that it's only for a classless board like PCB that Arthur has kept his job, other wise for any other major Board, he would have been sacked after Asia Cup. But, for his support, I can say that in any other Board, no one would have got a esteemed position after calling National Coach a donkey in public, so it's on even keel - Mickey is matching his employers.

Arthur should change his career track and instead of managing National teams, he should look for more development jobs like technical coach or project directors (in cricket operation). Once Arthur leaves PCB, to my little capacity, I'll definitely refer him for role like a Director Cricket Development, or Director National Cricket Academy for BCB - but never for even a FC team or BPL team as Head Coach. In corporate world, he is a Finance guy, a CFA - knows the technicalities of his function, very good at working in silo with a small team, crunching numbers in his own way and keeping cards close to chest; but National team coaching is more of a Marketing job - more implementation tactics than strategy, resource management, being extrovert, visionary, expressive, flexible and open to ideas.

 

[Markhor]

Arthur is a decent coach but Pakistan can do better. Someone like Wasim Akram, Javed Miandad or even Younis Khan would make great head coaches. Given how young the team is, there is unlikely to be any sort of tussles between the players and coach. Plus, all three are good with youngsters.

How did Javed Miandad fare in his three stints as coach ?

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

I am an Arthur fan, and I take the responsibility to answer your question.

Australia is a proud sports nation, probably the greatest sporting country in terms of population ratio. Almost every major spectator games to medal sports, they are among the very best. Soccer is probably their weakest link (among major games), still they are smoking past total Asia to qualify for every WC and has won Asia Cup in their 2nd attempt. A nation that's arrogant for their achievements (not only in sports, they are among the top 10 defense forces as well, one of the strongest economy also), and take lots of pride in their possession. Take any major sports - Soccer, Cricket, Field Hockey, Basketball, Rugby .... to individual sports like Golf, Tennis, Squash ... to Medal events - from Herb Elliot to Kathy Freeman, from Kiren Perkins to Ian Thorpe, from Dawn Fraser to Libbey Trickett ... even in a English game like Snooker, they have Neil Robertson. I grew up as a kid in AUS and I know how much the Aussies put their pride on their sports possession, almost jingoistic madness.

Now, in their 150 years of history, to my memory Aussies had never, never appointed a foreigner as their Head Coach of Cricket, Hockey, Rugby teams, neither for their wonderful academies which has produced some of the greatest in history - from Heb Elliot to Rod Laver to Greg Norman to Grant Hackett or Lissel Jones..... and Aussies do take lots of pride in their sports heritage - they didn't copy paste British mantra, rather like Yanks, have developed their own sports tradition, has own sports - Aussie rules. In that country, Mickey Arthur was the FIRST non Aussie to take charge of their pride possession - Head Coach of the Baggie Green holders. It's like a French, German, English or Italian taking charge of any other 3 Countries of the 4 .... or a Argentine, Uruguayan taking charge of the Selecao ..... almost blasphemous.

In that context, still Micky Arthur could crack the job, which suggests he had enough in his resume, his interview pitch was impressive enough and his technical knowledge was adequate for CA to break a 150 years of tradition, over several top domestic applicants. He couldn't keep the job for his personality traits, which we have seen is his PAK tenure as well - too stubborn to adjust, to rigid to accept change, to arrogant to learn from mistakes. But, technically, guy is among the best available in the business, which was enough to impress the CA - we might think it otherwise here in PP, but CA does know what they are doing and what they want.

Mickey Arthur has created an alarming trend for him - he starts with a bang for his technical knowledge, but goofs-up within few years for his lack of soft skills. In corporate culture, such people often work as Project Manager on short term basis and changes office in every 1-2 years. In last 20 months, from his peak of CT win, the way fortune has turned for PCT that it's only for a classless board like PCB that Arthur has kept his job, other wise for any other major Board, he would have been sacked after Asia Cup. But, for his support, I can say that in any other Board, no one would have got a esteemed position after calling National Coach a donkey in public, so it's on even keel - Mickey is matching his employers.

Arthur should change his career track and instead of managing National teams, he should look for more development jobs like technical coach or project directors (in cricket operation). Once Arthur leaves PCB, to my little capacity, I'll definitely refer him for role like a Director Cricket Development, or Director National Cricket Academy for BCB - but never for even a FC team or BPL team as Head Coach. In corporate world, he is a Finance guy, a CFA - knows the technicalities of his function, very good at working in silo with a small team, crunching numbers in his own way and keeping cards close to chest; but National team coaching is more of a Marketing job - more implementation tactics than strategy, resource management, being extrovert, visionary, expressive, flexible and open to ideas.

Big fan of your insights on Pakistan. Rooted in data.

 

[Markhor]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] that's a fair summary however to suggest any board would've sacked him after the Asia Cup is absurd.

The blame for that debacle lied with the selectors for picking six pacers in UAE in September.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

I do believe that & I am honest here after watching each of them in several capacities for over 3 decades now.

Sallu was Selector or CS for 8 times if I am not wrong and he did a great job to be honest. Always, in his squad there would be couple of new faces & he would make sure that those younger players do get some games. Also, average age of Sallu’s team was much lower - one reason could be age cheating now days has come down to 3-5 years level from 5-7 years in past, but still I found Sallu much more enthusiastic (in terms of fresh blood). And, guy used to watch lots of domestic cricket - at least his comments were not clueless.

Mohsin definitely was a better CS than head coach - at least he knew what was his team's core strength & where to plug in gaps.

Haroon is hard done by here in PP, but the guy was CS during WY coaching era with Misbah/Azhar Captain. He was a shocking Manager/Coach, but guy used to watch domestic players and I was quite happy with his A Team/U23 squads.

Intekhab is a living legend in PAK cricket. For last 10-12 years guy is operating into his 70s, so obviously there’ll be lapses but he comes with 6 decades of involvement in PAK cricket with 12+ years of County expousure, and he was made a County Captain for his leadership.... these days hardly any PAK player will make minor county side as Captain. Can’t recall much now, but I was often impressed with the explanation (of squad) given by Inti - he wasn’t clueless for sure and won’t ever do trolling like defending 6 pacers in UAE Asia Cup .... for net practice.

Others I am not sure when or how long been CS/S but I am sure Latif won’t be worse. He has regional bias, but guy follows cricket passionately and doesn’t represent a religious clan - won’t be in Canada trip when team is struggling on field. And, being a Mohazir from Karachi, Rashid Latif won’t ever be given the God like freedom that your current CS is enjoying - there’ll be a check & balance.

Only CS who could be a match was probably Qasim - may not be that nepotistic or duplicitous, but equally clueless & he also hardly bothered to watch domestic games. But remember, Qasim was a PIA (or NBP) employee and an honorary CS - this guy Ul Haq is highly paid and probably first full time professional CS of PCB, PCT deserved more than this. Even in PSL, I have seen him watching games mostly when his nephew was playing.

Interested to know the backing behind Sallu Mohsin and Haroon with notable inclusions that has gone on to become the world best players in the last decade since Inzi retired..

 

[MMHS]

Interested to know the backing behind Sallu Mohsin and Haroon with notable inclusions that has gone on to become the world best players in the last decade since Inzi retired..

That's system limitation - even when Kardar was in charge, it wasn't PCB that was producing Mazids or Asifs or Imrans or Zaheers or Javeds or WWs .... English Counties did it for PAK. Without a proper functional domestic system, no sports can be developed. I see lots of false bravado among PAK posters regarding natural talent ... which is crap - this week Nigeria has made in to U19 WC - put 48 of their kids in a English Counties (3 in each) - in 10 years time they'll beat many hunks black and blue.

CS job is about combination, about vision (of phasing out generation), about alternatives (back-ups) and about fall-back strategy. National CS job's moto is passion, enthusiasm - for 24/7 you look for new players, new talents across the country - it's not Club soccer that Sheikh Mansoor's billions will buy you genius title, National coach has to find his solution within the boundary of his country, within the scope of domestic talents and within the horizon of where you want to take your team in next 5 years.

And, the spirit of National CS is fairness - it's the national cap that has equal ownership of every nationals of that country ... regardless of whose friend, family anyone can be. In Club sports, CS has to manage the owner's wish, has to honor sponsor's request, has to take inputs about players to pick considering the broadcast money ..... a National CS is king of his own world, shouldn't carry any baggage ..... let alone nephew.

 

[MMHS]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] that's a fair summary however to suggest any board would've sacked him after the Asia Cup is absurd.

The blame for that debacle lied with the selectors for picking six pacers in UAE in September.

That was my point as well in first 2 posts.

 

[Bilal7]

How did Javed Miandad fare in his three stints as coach ?

His first two stints were pretty good. I think he would do well with a younger group of players.

 

[Asif321]

Watching Abid Ali shows the failure of Inzimam and Micky In recognising the right player
Utter shame. We were stuck with Shaan and imam never thought of him

 

[Markhor]

His first two stints were pretty good. I think he would do well with a younger group of players.

They all ended in flames. Javed has zero man management skills.

 

[Snowflake]

Watching Abid Ali shows the failure of Inzimam and Micky In recognising the right player
Utter shame. We were stuck with Shaan and imam never thought of him

There's no winning for Inzi or Mickey, is there?

This duo has given more chances to youngsters than any previous regime. Should I remind you how we clung on to the Kamran Akmals and Ahmad Shehzads?

Yes, it might seem a little late, but he's still gotten the opportunity for which Inzi should be credited.

 

[Bilal7]

Watching Abid Ali shows the failure of Inzimam and Micky In recognising the right player
Utter shame. We were stuck with Shaan and imam never thought of him

What an absurd post. Who selected Abid Ali in this squad, thereby giving him a chance to go to the World Cup? Rashid Latif?

 

[Bilal7]

They all ended in flames. Javed has zero man management skills.

What about Wasim Akram? Would he make a good coach?

 

[Asif321]

What an absurd post. Who selected Abid Ali in this squad, thereby giving him a chance to go to the World Cup? Rashid Latif?

When u rested 8 players obviously he would have been selected
Where was he before that ?

 

[Bilal7]

When u rested 8 players obviously he would have been selected
Where was he before that ?

Why would you select him over Imam and Fakhar? I think you fail to realize that Pakistan can only play 11 players in any one match.

 

[Asif321]

Why would you select him over Imam and Fakhar? I think you fail to realize that Pakistan can only play 11 players in any one match.

Why not . You can try him in some matches he wouldn’t have played today if imam wasn’t unfit

 

[Bilal7]

Why not . You can try him in some matches he wouldn’t have played today if imam wasn’t unfit

No, chopping and changing never works. Once the primary opening pair was decided, the back-ups were given their chance to impress. As it should be.

Inzamam selects the squad but Mickey picks the team. The latter, in hindsight, has made quite a few mistakes during his tenure.

 

[Markhor]

There's no winning for Inzi or Mickey, is there?

This duo has given more chances to youngsters than any previous regime. Should I remind you how we clung on to the Kamran Akmals and Ahmad Shehzads?

Yes, it might seem a little late, but he's still gotten the opportunity for which Inzi should be credited.

If Haroon Rasheed was still CS, we'd see Khurrum the legend Manzoor back.

Who can forget his hopping around against Indian pacers in the Asia Cup.

 

[AnasK]

Agreed. Both of them are doing a fairly okay job. Problem is our batsmen and sadly our domestic is not producing quality batsmen as compared to quality of bowlers. Still, credit to CS and coach, for keeping the side okay-ish.

Arthur has injected fitness culture and it was during his time that we have become a very good fielding side. On other hand, we need a strong CS who can be firm, consistent and brings new young faces. IMO Inzamam has all three qualities.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

That's system limitation - even when Kardar was in charge, it wasn't PCB that was producing Mazids or Asifs or Imrans or Zaheers or Javeds or WWs .... English Counties did it for PAK. Without a proper functional domestic system, no sports can be developed. I see lots of false bravado among PAK posters regarding natural talent ... which is bullsh!t - this week Nigeria has made in to U19 WC - put 48 of their kids in a English Counties (3 in each) - in 10 years time they'll beat many hunks black and blue.

CS job is about combination, about vision (of phasing out generation), about alternatives (back-ups) and about fall-back strategy. National CS job's moto is passion, enthusiasm - for 24/7 you look for new players, new talents across the country - it's not Club soccer that Sheikh Mansoor's billions will buy you genius title, National coach has to find his solution within the boundary of his country, within the scope of domestic talents and within the horizon of where you want to take your team in next 5 years.

And, the spirit of National CS is fairness - it's the national cap that has equal ownership of every nationals of that country ... regardless of whose friend, family anyone can be. In Club sports, CS has to manage the owner's wish, has to honor sponsor's request, has to take inputs about players to pick considering the broadcast money ..... a National CS is king of his own world, shouldn't carry any baggage ..... let alone nephew.

I think u didn’t answer my question. Achievements of Sallu Mohsin and Haroon during their tenure to rate them above Inzi ?

 

[MMHS]

I think u didn’t answer my question. Achievements of Sallu Mohsin and Haroon during their tenure to rate them above Inzi ?

I did answer your the then question, which was about world class players - “with notable inclusions that has gone on to become the world best players in the last decade since Inzi retired..” that was your question. A selector doesn’t make someone world’s best player, system makes him; a chief selector’s job is to pick the best combination within the available resources in good faith & without negligence.

Coming to your latest question, I understand that you have gone to last resort - CT win, though it has been milked so much that the milkman now should feel embrassed to go even near to the cow.... In Bengali, we say “Jhoray boc poray, Fokirer keramati bare ( .. storm kills the bird, credit goes to Fakir)”. That CT team selected needed Umar Akmal to be dropped for fitness, Wahab needed to be injured, Ahmed had to be dropped..... it was the young players Fakhar, Hasan that raised their game & substitute JK performed exceptionally to achieve almost a miracle. And, if such tournament win is the only bench mark for a CS, without considering other 3 years, which started with at least 2-3 selected players breaking down for fitness during match and continued like picking 6 pacers for UAE Asia cup ... and finally this AUS series where best performers were ignored for long; then I have to say best CS for PCB has to be Abdul Qadir - in less than 6 months time, he won the T20I WC.

Hope this time I have answered your question.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

I did answer your the then question, which was about world class players - “with notable inclusions that has gone on to become the world best players in the last decade since Inzi retired..” that was your question. A selector doesn’t make someone world’s best player, system makes him; a chief selector’s job is to pick the best combination within the available resources in good faith & without negligence.

Coming to your latest question, I understand that you have gone to last resort - CT win, though it has been milked so much that the milkman now should feel embrassed to go even near to the cow.... In Bengali, we say “Jhoray boc poray, Fokirer keramati bare ( .. storm kills the bird, credit goes to Fakir)”. That CT team selected needed Umar Akmal to be dropped for fitness, Wahab needed to be injured, Ahmed had to be dropped..... it was the young players Fakhar, Hasan that raised their game & substitute JK performed exceptionally to achieve almost a miracle. And, if such tournament win is the only bench mark for a CS, without considering other 3 years, which started with at least 2-3 selected players breaking down for fitness during match and continued like picking 6 pacers for UAE Asia cup ... and finally this AUS series where best performers were ignored for long; then I have to say best CS for PCB has to be Abdul Qadir - in less than 6 months time, he won the T20I WC.

Hope this time I have answered your question.

Who selected fakhar hasan Shadab faheem Saad Ali usman Salahudeen Babur azam Hussain Talat Abbas
SSA, Asghar, Imam Sami aslam, Shan Masood, Umar amin,

To me Inzi has selected many youngsters than other chief selectors in the past and consistent enough. Yes he also gave chances to Umar Akmal, shehzad and kamran not just blindly backed by their performances and once they hit int’l arena they are as usual and he was quick to drop them.

As said, it is the players duty to become worlds best,

And still u didn’t give names of players yet comparatively.

 

[Bilal7]

Who selected fakhar hasan Shadab faheem Saad Ali usman Salahudeen Babur azam Hussain Talat Abbas
SSA, Asghar, Imam Sami aslam, Shan Masood, Umar amin,

To me Inzi has selected many youngsters than other chief selectors in the past and consistent enough. Yes he also gave chances to Umar Akmal, shehzad and kamran not just blindly backed by their performances and once they hit int’l arena they are as usual and he was quick to drop them.

As said, it is the players duty to become worlds best,

And still u didn’t give names of players yet comparatively.

Not to mention that it is quite silly to fault Inzamam for the team selection; Inzamam is responsible for providing the team management with a competent squad of players, it is the team management's responsibility to select the final XI.

No other selector has given as many chances to as many young, talented players (and a couple of performing oldies) and no other selector has gotten rid of the TTFs and past-it players as efficiently as Inzamam has. Let us not forget that allegedly, Younis had no intention of retiring alongside Misbah and wanted the captaincy after Misbah called it a day. It was on Inzamam's recommendation that Sarfaraz was made the captain.

Also, people should keep in mind that when your team is primarily made up of inexperienced, young players, you are going to lose cricket games. That is simply how it is.

 

[Shafi]

Not to mention that it is quite silly to fault Inzamam for the team selection; Inzamam is responsible for providing the team management with a competent squad of players, it is the team management's responsibility to select the final XI.

No other selector has given as many chances to as many young, talented players (and a couple of performing oldies) and no other selector has gotten rid of the TTFs and past-it players as efficiently as Inzamam has. Let us not forget that allegedly, Younis had no intention of retiring alongside Misbah and wanted the captaincy after Misbah called it a day. It was on Inzamam's recommendation that Sarfaraz was made the captain.

Also, people should keep in mind that when your team is primarily made up of inexperienced, young players, you are going to lose cricket games. That is simply how it is.

Inzamam also selected Yasir and Abbas for ODI series against Australia and Yasir as a sole spinner for Sri Lanka. The result is whitewash.

70% of Pakistan cup players are either too old or TTFs to represent Pakistan in LOI.

If you are with whitewash by International teams with the excuse of young players they you shouldn't have any hope for World Cup. Should be happy to play qualifier for next World Cup along with Ireland, Scotland, UAE, Nepal teams.