KPK CM criticises forced expulsion of Afghan refugees

[khyberlion]

Exactly. These racists are using Afghan refugees as a cover to dump their xenophobic drivel. Kind of exposed themselves while doing so

Precisely. The usual suspects have thrown in their rubbish posts where they specifically targeted pashtoons.

 

[Major]

I won't waste my time just look at post 2. It's surprising that rubbish hasn't been removed.

he is right. That isnt a racist rant against pashtoons, that is more about keeping Afghans at bay, especially since Afghans make claim to Pakistani land. So anyone that plans to do such treason shouldnt be allowed irrespect of their ethnicities or cast.

 

[Bewal Express]

PDM supporters so ridiculous, they find their escape in PTI/Imran Khan for all the shannanigans their corrupt and incompetent leaders have been involved in for decades. Their cult like thinking has enabled these rulers to do corruption with absolute impunity. If KPK is a hellhole then whose responsible? It's not some grand PTI conspiracy to keep KPK underdeveloped - It's decades of mismanagement, lack of investment and toxic narratives like the OP that justify ignoring the entire region.

It's funny looking at the excuses these guys make to keep their guilt at bay. It wasn't Imran Khan who empowered Taliban in the first place. It wasn't him who played the dangerous games for decades. This entire post reeks of a desperate need to find a scapegoat for Pakistan’s internal failures.

@Kianig89 @khyberlion @Bewal Express @Greenstorm

These losers number less then the genuine.parts left on Maryams face. With each passing day, they are hated more and more.

 

[psyoptica]

You accused me of rubbish and this is your response? Ignoring what I said and then you say this? I don't make an issue about pashtoons. We are Pakistanis and should be refered as one.

Here are gems from the initial posts without the hidden meaning

-Phukhtoons are destroying the social fabric and belong to the stoneage
-Pukhtoons are anti Pakistan and care more about their ethnicity
-KPK is an absolutel hellhole - guess which demographic makes up this region? Yes you guessed right - Pukhtoon
-PTI has support from Pukhtoons and wants Pukhtoon domination. Pukhtoons via proxy are a threat to the existence of all other ethnicities in Pakistan

 

[khyberlion]

Here are gems from the initial posts without the hidden meaning

-Phukhtoons are destroying the social fabric and belong to the stoneage
-Pukhtoons are anti Pakistan and care more about their ethnicity
-KPK is an absolutel hellhole - guess which demographic makes up this region? Yes you guessed right - Pukhtoon
-PTI has support from Pukhtoons and wants Pukhtoon domination. Pukhtoons via proxy are a threat to the existence of all other ethnicities in Pakistan

Thank you and when sated this rubbish views were used the racist started defending it and accused me of being one while associating lies with me. All hallmark of a racist.

 

[topspin]

PK soldiers are dying because Munir and Co are evil. They have no moral high ground and today PK stands on the precipice of breaking up. According the Diesel large parts Balochistan could secede at any time. KP will follow soon and you will be left with the Sharifs and Generals lording over Punjabis.

Will you explain the radio silence from IK when the Peshawar attack happened?

Just for the record I’m no fan of the army, but like other normal Pakistanis, I was rooting for them at this time of need.

People like you donate £300 per month should be ashamed for donation such amounts to a political organisation that is headed by an individual who is clearly a Taliban and terrorist sympathiser.

 

[topspin]

Imran used the APS attack to his own benefit. His dharna was going no where, and the attack allowed him to make a runner from the dharna. Or else the Dharna was going no where achieving nothing.

Under PTI, Pakistan played a very dangerous game. Pakistani people are conservatives and there is this stupid ideology in the country and amongst bristish ppers where they want to see Russia and China rise against the evil West. For some odd reasons these guys want USA (UKs main allie LOL) to be destroyed and the world power to be shifted.

If things go out of hand WW3 starts and India gets involved, India has established good relations with US that they would side with them. ANd if they get involved, Pakistan gets dragged in, and Pakistan in public are more inclined towards being allies of China and Russia. Alot of this sentiment and foreign policy came from PTI and Bajwa created this mess.

The current regime is not that great, but the current establishment will atleast keep Pakistan safe if World Politics are a concern. Atleast the establishment knows who the right winners would be if a WW3 takes place and wont allow Pakistan to align itself to the wrong group which is offcourse Russia, China and N. Korea.

Main lessons that I have learned from reading on WW1 and WW2 is always choosing the right allies not based on ideologies but based on economy and facts. Being on the losing side means you lost your territory which is exactly what happened with the Ottoman Empire which is why you have a Palestine-Israel crises going on.

I am against military intervening in Politics. But when it comes to foreign policy, the military thankfully sides with US and rightly so.

Your contributions to Pakistani politics are truly invaluable.

This is was a great write up and as someone who’s into history, I enjoyed this calm analysis.

The only thing I disagree on is when you say Britisher PPers want the rise of China and Russia.

The only individual I know here who wants this is that clown, KKWC.

I told him to fear the Almighty for his unwavering support of the Chinese and his denial of the oppression that they are carrying out towards Uyghurs.

The point is everybody knows how cruel the Chinese are, so yes I completely agree with you that our establishment, regardless of how much misfortune they have brought to Pakistan, did the right thing to side with the West.

There are a lot of gullible Pakistanis living in and outside Pakistan, it has to be said, who somehow believe China are “Pakistan’s friend”. But the reality is all they have in Pakistan is interests and they will do whatever they can to protect those interests.

God forbid, if Pakistan becomes bankrupt and becomes a part of China. They are already teaching Chinese in Karachi, so the Chinese are not keeping their long-term ambition a secret at all.

 

[Major]

Your contributions to Pakistani politics are truly invaluable.

This is was a great write up and as someone who’s into history, I enjoyed this calm analysis.

The only thing I disagree on is when you say Britisher PPers want the rise of China and Russia.

The only individual I know here who wants this is that clown, KKWC.

I told him to fear the Almighty for his unwavering support of the Chinese and his denial of the oppression that they are carrying out towards Uyghurs.

The point is everybody knows how cruel the Chinese are, so yes I completely agree with you that our establishment, regardless of how much misfortune they have brought to Pakistan, did the right thing to side with the West.

There are a lot of gullible Pakistanis living in and outside Pakistan, it has to be said, who somehow believe China are “Pakistan’s friend”. But the reality is all they have in Pakistan is interests and they will do whatever they can to protect those interests.

God forbid, if Pakistan becomes bankrupt and becomes a part of China. They are already teaching Chinese in Karachi, so the Chinese are not keeping their long-term ambition a secret at all.

My views on britisher pakistanis is like because i see a contrast in view between uk pakistani and north american pakistanis.

I often felt uk pakistanis are more on conservative side. Pakistanis in pakistan are conservative and very anti american (but want a passport) no doubt.

I always believe that foreign policy of a country is very important and your countrys future depends on how you maintain foreign relations.

 

[Bewal Express]

Will you explain the radio silence from IK when the Peshawar attack happened?

Just for the record I’m no fan of the army, but like other normal Pakistanis, I was rooting for them at this time of need.

People like you donate £300 per month should be ashamed for donation such amounts to a political organisation that is headed by an individual who is clearly a Taliban and terrorist sympathiser.

Firstly, I don't remember IK staying quiet. He always said we need to talk because without talking we don't go anywhere. These guys that are attacking PK were trained by the ISI and as we saw with the ISIS guy that was handed over to CIA, they are seen as assets to be used. So can you explain why our security services are so deeply embedded with these thugs.
We have tried to use these guys for dollars and now we wanted a war with Afghanistan to show the World that we can deal with the Taliban, but Zalmay went to Kabul and cut us out. This has pulled the rug from underneath our feet.

 

[Bewal Express]

Will you explain the radio silence from IK when the Peshawar attack happened?

Just for the record I’m no fan of the army, but like other normal Pakistanis, I was rooting for them at this time of need.

People like you donate £300 per month should be ashamed for donation such amounts to a political organisation that is headed by an individual who is clearly a Taliban and terrorist sympathiser.

Can you explain the difference between the TTP and PK mafia led by our Generals and the Sharif and Zardari families. Who are the good guys and who are the bad guys.
@Major

 

[aboveandbeyond]

I have no skin in this, but what i would say is Pakistan has generally been very hospitable for Genuine Afganis who are struggling. But then we see Afganis who clearly use Anti Pakistan sentiments then one has to realise how ungrateful some people are. GET RID OF THEM.

 

[psyoptica]

Your contributions to Pakistani politics are truly invaluable.

This is was a great write up and as someone who’s into history, I enjoyed this calm analysis.

The only thing I disagree on is when you say Britisher PPers want the rise of China and Russia.

The only individual I know here who wants this is that clown, KKWC.

I told him to fear the Almighty for his unwavering support of the Chinese and his denial of the oppression that they are carrying out towards Uyghurs.

The point is everybody knows how cruel the Chinese are, so yes I completely agree with you that our establishment, regardless of how much misfortune they have brought to Pakistan, did the right thing to side with the West.

There are a lot of gullible Pakistanis living in and outside Pakistan, it has to be said, who somehow believe China are “Pakistan’s friend”. But the reality is all they have in Pakistan is interests and they will do whatever they can to protect those interests.

God forbid, if Pakistan becomes bankrupt and becomes a part of China. They are already teaching Chinese in Karachi, so the Chinese are not keeping their long-term ambition a secret at all.

Pakist

Your contributions to Pakistani politics are truly invaluable.

This is was a great write up and as someone who’s into history, I enjoyed this calm analysis.

The only thing I disagree on is when you say Britisher PPers want the rise of China and Russia.

The only individual I know here who wants this is that clown, KKWC.

I told him to fear the Almighty for his unwavering support of the Chinese and his denial of the oppression that they are carrying out towards Uyghurs.

The point is everybody knows how cruel the Chinese are, so yes I completely agree with you that our establishment, regardless of how much misfortune they have brought to Pakistan, did the right thing to side with the West.

There are a lot of gullible Pakistanis living in and outside Pakistan, it has to be said, who somehow believe China are “Pakistan’s friend”. But the reality is all they have in Pakistan is interests and they will do whatever they can to protect those interests.

God forbid, if Pakistan becomes bankrupt and becomes a part of China. They are already teaching Chinese in Karachi, so the Chinese are not keeping their long-term ambition a secret at all.

it’s funny to me how people talk in absolute terms like everything is so black and white “Pakistan needs to side with the West. China and Russia are not good for Pakistan “ while it’s good to look at things from a macro level and have an understanding in a broader context one must also accept rhat it’s more nuanced than that.
I would take Major’s opinions more seriously if he was more nuanced in his thinking but unfortunately as learned as he is in politics, his understanding seems to be shallow and and comes from a point of view of a party worker with biases - not an analyst.

There are many issues are I agree such as the emergence of China as a global power is not good. People who support Russia and China are very ignorant about the consequences of these powers having an influence. But having said this, there are no good guys when it comes to world politics. Major is suggesting Pakistan siding with the US is a good thing and US will support Pakistan in a war is not at all true. Trump coming into power has kind of muddied the water with the relationship with its western allies. Historically US has only ever engaged in a war to stay over its global hegemony. If there is a war between world powers, the EU is more like to engage and US will avoid getting involved directly as was the case in world war 2. Pakistan siding with the US doesn’t mean anything. There’s nothing to be gained from the kind of relationship Pakistan has with the US. What good is the relationship when Pakistan can’t even stay out of the travel restriction list? Also, Pakistani establishment has time and again played double games with the Americans and they know not to trust Pakistan. They have a much better partner in India to counter China. Pakistan needs to diversify its trading partners and not rely on a select few countries, mend its ties with India and focus on fixing its internal issues with corruption and extremism.
There’s a lot more to it and I will try to find an appropriate thread to go into more depth and touch on the more nuanced topics when I have a chance.

I also agree on the systematic removal of Afghans from Pakistan but I’m not willing to label them all as traitors because they are not. It’s kind of like saying “All Muslims are terrorists” which obviously isn’t true.

 

[Bewal Express]

Pakist

it’s funny to me how people talk in absolute terms like everything is so black and white “Pakistan needs to side with the West. China and Russia are not good for Pakistan “ while it’s good to look at things from a macro level and have an understanding in a broader context one must also accept rhat it’s more nuanced than that.
I would take Major’s opinions more seriously if he was more nuanced in his thinking but unfortunately as learned as he is in politics, his understanding seems to be shallow and and comes from a point of view of a party worker with biases - not an analyst.

There are many issues are I agree such as the emergence of China as a global power is not good. People who support Russia and China are very ignorant about the consequences of these powers having an influence. But having said this, there are no good guys when it comes to world politics. Major is suggesting Pakistan siding with the US is a good thing and US will support Pakistan in a war is not at all true. Trump coming into power has kind of muddied the water with the relationship with its western allies. Historically US has only ever engaged in a war to stay over its global hegemony. If there is a war between world powers, the EU is more like to engage and US will avoid getting involved directly as was the case in world war 2. Pakistan siding with the US doesn’t mean anything. There’s nothing to be gained from the kind of relationship Pakistan has with the US. What good is the relationship when Pakistan can’t even stay out of the travel restriction list? Also, Pakistani establishment has time and again played double games with the Americans and they know not to trust Pakistan. They have a much better partner in India to counter China. Pakistan needs to diversify its trading partners and not rely on a select few countries, mend its ties with India and focus on fixing its internal issues with corruption and extremism.
There’s a lot more to it and I will try to find an appropriate thread to go into more depth and touch on the more nuanced topics when I have a chance.

I also agree on the systematic removal of Afghans from Pakistan but I’m not willing to label them all as traitors because they are not. It’s kind of like saying “All Muslims are terrorists” which obviously isn’t true.

Excellent post.
I have said for a long time on here and other places that there are no good guys, each country( or at least it's elite) is in it for themselves. Most of the wars are ego wars to serve the interest of the elite. China and America don't need to fight or undermine each other, they could work with each other on the environment, 3rd World development and many other issues. The Americans fear the rise of China because they won't be top dog anymore and the Chinese want that respect that they think they deserve. Both are equally evil,American support for Israel and dictatorships is open for all to see, and the Chinese treatment of our Uighur Muslim brothers is also genocidal. The fact that the Muslim World is itself run by evil people that have a penchant for whoress, wine and material goods makes me even more depressed. Is MBS any better than Modi, Trump or Xi? Not in my eyes.
As far as @Major is concerned. I can't remember a single that he has been right on. From his support for the corrupt and murderous ppp, to his support for the Nooras at the time of the coup and lest we forget he supported the coup and still pretends there wasnt one and it was all organic .
He called Arshad Sharif a coward as he had the audacity to run for his life and then Majors denial of his murder by the ISI was even more galling.
Today Major and his ilk have a govt of all their favourites and we are on the precipice of breaking Up. The "state" is murdering and kidnapping it's own people, the constitution has been destroyed, the courts have all the worth of used toilet paper.
Thankfully I am not a great poster, just imagine what i would be like if I backed all the immorality and mayhem he has.

BTW
He is an excellent poster on cricket but his politics is a different beast.

 

[psyoptica]

Excellent post.
I have said for a long time on here and other places that there are no good guys, each country( or at least it's elite) is in it for themselves. Most of the wars are ego wars to serve the interest of the elite. China and America don't need to fight or undermine each other, they could work with each other on the environment, 3rd World development and many other issues. The Americans fear the rise of China because they won't be top dog anymore and the Chinese want that respect that they think they deserve. Both are equally evil,American support for Israel and dictatorships is open for all to see, and the Chinese treatment of our Uighur Muslim brothers is also genocidal. The fact that the Muslim World is itself run by evil people that have a penchant for whoress, wine and material goods makes me even more depressed. Is MBS any better than Modi, Trump or Xi? Not in my eyes.
As far as @Major is concerned. I can't remember a single that he has been right on. From his support for the corrupt and murderous ppp, to his support for the Nooras at the time of the coup and lest we forget he supported the coup and still pretends there wasnt one and it was all organic .
He called Arshad Sharif a coward as he had the audacity to run for his life and then Majors denial of his murder by the ISI was even more galling.
Today Major and his ilk have a govt of all their favourites and we are on the precipice of breaking Up. The "state" is murdering and kidnapping it's own people, the constitution has been destroyed, the courts have all the worth of used toilet paper.
Thankfully I am not a great poster, just imagine what i would be like if I backed all the immorality and mayhem he has.

BTW
He is an excellent poster on cricket but his politics is a different beast.

Major is not mature enough to have political discussions. When you bring trolling into serious discussions then you can't be taken seriously. Look at his profile pics he keeps on changing to troll. It gives you a snapshot of his state of mind. I think if you look at his posts from purely an entertainment perspective, they are quite amusing.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pakist

it’s funny to me how people talk in absolute terms like everything is so black and white “Pakistan needs to side with the West. China and Russia are not good for Pakistan “ while it’s good to look at things from a macro level and have an understanding in a broader context one must also accept rhat it’s more nuanced than that.
I would take Major’s opinions more seriously if he was more nuanced in his thinking but unfortunately as learned as he is in politics, his understanding seems to be shallow and and comes from a point of view of a party worker with biases - not an analyst.

There are many issues are I agree such as the emergence of China as a global power is not good. People who support Russia and China are very ignorant about the consequences of these powers having an influence. But having said this, there are no good guys when it comes to world politics. Major is suggesting Pakistan siding with the US is a good thing and US will support Pakistan in a war is not at all true. Trump coming into power has kind of muddied the water with the relationship with its western allies. Historically US has only ever engaged in a war to stay over its global hegemony. If there is a war between world powers, the EU is more like to engage and US will avoid getting involved directly as was the case in world war 2. Pakistan siding with the US doesn’t mean anything. There’s nothing to be gained from the kind of relationship Pakistan has with the US. What good is the relationship when Pakistan can’t even stay out of the travel restriction list? Also, Pakistani establishment has time and again played double games with the Americans and they know not to trust Pakistan. They have a much better partner in India to counter China. Pakistan needs to diversify its trading partners and not rely on a select few countries, mend its ties with India and focus on fixing its internal issues with corruption and extremism.
There’s a lot more to it and I will try to find an appropriate thread to go into more depth and touch on the more nuanced topics when I have a chance.

I also agree on the systematic removal of Afghans from Pakistan but I’m not willing to label them all as traitors because they are not. It’s kind of like saying “All Muslims are terrorists” which obviously isn’t true.

Excellent post. It makes no sense for Pakistan to ally soley with the west, not when it is based in the heartlands of the east, and has no special relationship with the USA like israel does. Pakistan needs to continue to build ties in it's own neighbourhood, that will be in it's best interests long term, especially with so much global trade shifting towards the south. If anything Pakistan could learn from India in not aligning too strongly with any side. Even though the Indians hate China with a passion, they aren't dumb enough to go against them as they realise their clout in the region.

 

[Major]

Excellent post.
I have said for a long time on here and other places that there are no good guys, each country( or at least it's elite) is in it for themselves. Most of the wars are ego wars to serve the interest of the elite. China and America don't need to fight or undermine each other, they could work with each other on the environment, 3rd World development and many other issues. The Americans fear the rise of China because they won't be top dog anymore and the Chinese want that respect that they think they deserve. Both are equally evil,American support for Israel and dictatorships is open for all to see, and the Chinese treatment of our Uighur Muslim brothers is also genocidal. The fact that the Muslim World is itself run by evil people that have a penchant for whoress, wine and material goods makes me even more depressed. Is MBS any better than Modi, Trump or Xi? Not in my eyes.
As far as @Major is concerned. I can't remember a single that he has been right on. From his support for the corrupt and murderous ppp, to his support for the Nooras at the time of the coup and lest we forget he supported the coup and still pretends there wasnt one and it was all organic .
He called Arshad Sharif a coward as he had the audacity to run for his life and then Majors denial of his murder by the ISI was even more galling.
Today Major and his ilk have a govt of all their favourites and we are on the precipice of breaking Up. The "state" is murdering and kidnapping it's own people, the constitution has been destroyed, the courts have all the worth of used toilet paper.
Thankfully I am not a great poster, just imagine what i would be like if I backed all the immorality and mayhem he has.

BTW
He is an excellent poster on cricket but his politics is a different beast.

I havent been right?

I told u the exact case that will cause imrans downfall.

I used to post ahmad noorani articles you used to claim they were lies and aagainst ur lovely. And u use the same source lol

 

[Major]

Major is not mature enough to have political discussions. When you bring trolling into serious discussions then you can't be taken seriously. Look at his profile pics he keeps on changing to troll. It gives you a snapshot of his state of mind. I think if you look at his posts from purely an entertainment perspective, they are quite amusing.

Werent you wishing for my death the other day?

You are one despicable human being

 

[psyoptica]

Werent you wishing for my death the other day?

You are one despicable human being

You called me retarted. But yeah I shouldn’t have said what I said and I apologize for that.

 

[Bewal Express]

I havent been right?

I told u the exact case that will cause imrans downfall.

I used to post ahmad noorani articles you used to claim they were lies and aagainst ur lovely. And u use the same source lol

You could have told me that he would be done for the Kennedy assassination and you would got these duffers to prosecute and convict him.
So let's go through the cases.
- The Cypher case- thrown out and absolute rubbish. Remember this was your big one
- The Toshakhana case fell to pieces and the Judge run off. Then it had to prosecuted again and again nothing new.
- Malik Riaz. Again total rubbish. You had to run after the case fell apart. The whole court system was changed to keep him in prison. The money belonged to MR and he could have done anything he wanted( the real will be prosecuted against NS and son). The allegation that it was used to pay off the SC amount was disproved on here with full evidence. Today they wont dare put the appeal to court. The CJ of IHC was the 16th on the list on the LHC and was imported to keep appeals out of court and when they do come to court, keep giving long dates.

So let's go through other things you were wrong on
- The Coup. Literally everyone bar you has admitted that Bajwa wasnt "neutral", he was the badniyaat behind the operation. Diesel and others are on record.
- the economy. Total destruction of the economy. It was announced yesterday that these mafia are borrowing 29 Arab on a daily basis. Yes you are reading right. For how long? The credit card is maxed, the IMF are looking for concessions on a Nuclear programme
- You went out of your way to tell us what Rana the Qatil will do when the PTI came on the streets. This was support of thuggery that has destroyed PK as we stand on the verge.

And your motive was that Billo, the clown would become PM. Today, Billlo is stuck as Munir has fallen in love with a certain lady. Billo and the PPP stand destroyed.

 

[topspin]

Pakist

it’s funny to me how people talk in absolute terms like everything is so black and white “Pakistan needs to side with the West. China and Russia are not good for Pakistan “ while it’s good to look at things from a macro level and have an understanding in a broader context one must also accept rhat it’s more nuanced than that.
I would take Major’s opinions more seriously if he was more nuanced in his thinking but unfortunately as learned as he is in politics, his understanding seems to be shallow and and comes from a point of view of a party worker with biases - not an analyst.

There are many issues are I agree such as the emergence of China as a global power is not good. People who support Russia and China are very ignorant about the consequences of these powers having an influence. But having said this, there are no good guys when it comes to world politics. Major is suggesting Pakistan siding with the US is a good thing and US will support Pakistan in a war is not at all true. Trump coming into power has kind of muddied the water with the relationship with its western allies. Historically US has only ever engaged in a war to stay over its global hegemony. If there is a war between world powers, the EU is more like to engage and US will avoid getting involved directly as was the case in world war 2. Pakistan siding with the US doesn’t mean anything. There’s nothing to be gained from the kind of relationship Pakistan has with the US. What good is the relationship when Pakistan can’t even stay out of the travel restriction list? Also, Pakistani establishment has time and again played double games with the Americans and they know not to trust Pakistan. They have a much better partner in India to counter China. Pakistan needs to diversify its trading partners and not rely on a select few countries, mend its ties with India and focus on fixing its internal issues with corruption and extremism.
There’s a lot more to it and I will try to find an appropriate thread to go into more depth and touch on the more nuanced topics when I have a chance.

I also agree on the systematic removal of Afghans from Pakistan but I’m not willing to label them all as traitors because they are not. It’s kind of like saying “All Muslims are terrorists” which obviously isn’t true.

No one said it was black and white.

In this world, there is evil and there is less evil. This applies both to the West and to the China-Russia alliance.

As mentioned in my previous post, the Chinese are known to be very cruel and this is evident by all those Uyhghurs they have detained in those "reeducation" camps, where they have gone as far as organ harvesting those people.

We also know what the West are like and how it is run by Zionists, who have been oppressing the Palestinians for decades.

If you had to pick the lesser evil of the two, it is West.

PTI fans will refuse to accept this because it's goes against the narrative "my Imran Khan is the messiah".

 

[topspin]

Firstly, I don't remember IK staying quiet. He always said we need to talk because without talking we don't go anywhere. These guys that are attacking PK were trained by the ISI and as we saw with the ISIS guy that was handed over to CIA, they are seen as assets to be used. So can you explain why our security services are so deeply embedded with these thugs.
We have tried to use these guys for dollars and now we wanted a war with Afghanistan to show the World that we can deal with the Taliban, but Zalmay went to Kabul and cut us out. This has pulled the rug from underneath our feet.

And can you not see what's wrong with this?

Children killed but no let's talk it out.

Also, we have to cast our minds back to when he called OBL a "martyr". This is more than sufficient evidence that he was a not only a terrorist sympathiser but he views them as freedom fighters.

His position as Pakistan's leader was clearly a threat to Pakistan's national security.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

So many grand conspiracies against Imran Khan. These establishment stooges will never allow a grander vision for Pakistan. Army always needs war to be relevant, peace scares them.

 

[Varun]

So many grand conspiracies against Imran Khan. These establishment stooges will never allow a grander vision for Pakistan. Army always needs war to be relevant, peace scares them.

And the army scares the Pakistani public!

It's a madhouse where the appointed security guard has become emperor.

 

[Bewal Express]

And can you not see what's wrong with this?

Children killed but no let's talk it out.

Also, we have to cast our minds back to when he called OBL a "martyr". This is more than sufficient evidence that he was a not only a terrorist sympathiser but he views them as freedom fighters.

His position as Pakistan's leader was clearly a threat to Pakistan's national security.

It depends. You can't solve everything with violence. IK may have been a too much of dove but as we have seen, violence begets more violence. Our problem is that we created and trained these people. And we did this because it brought us dollars and today we are paying the price.
As I asked earlier what is the difference between the mafia that has taken over PK and TTP. Who are the bad guys?

 

[topspin]

It depends. You can't solve everything with violence. IK may have been a too much of dove but as we have seen, violence begets more violence. Our problem is that we created and trained these people. And we did this because it brought us dollars and today we are paying the price.

This is just a cop out unless you are a terrorist sympathiser like IK. But I would rather give you benefit of the doubt. You are just saying this because your support for IK/PTI would be scrutinised.

You are allowed to criticise him and still support him. You don't have to be a cult follower.

Children were killed at a school by terrorists but you want to hold back. The army responded and were successfully able to wipe out those terrorists. Had they taken IK's advice, who knows how many people would've been killed?

As I asked earlier what is the difference between the mafia that has taken over PK and TTP. Who are the bad guys?

I don't support the establishment nor do I support TTP. If you want a response regarding the "difference", I did address this indirectly in my response to Major, if you refer to post 87.

 

[topspin]

My views on britisher pakistanis is like because i see a contrast in view between uk pakistani and north american pakistanis.

I hope Pakistanis in the UK become more educated and will grew in influence. The problem we have as Markhor once mentioned, we are not organised and as influential like the Zionists are.

For example, I went to get some food at some burger place with some Pakistani guy, who I play football with. He had never been to this spot before. When we went up to order, the first thing he said was "why are you selling coca cola, they support Israel". It also created embarrassment for me because I like to drink Sprite, which is produced from the same company. The reason I mention all this is because we have Pakistanis like this, who are very small minded. Rather than bicker on such futile matters, I believe we should work together and look out for each other. It's the only way we'll grow and prosper.

I often felt uk pakistanis are more on conservative side. Pakistanis in pakistan are conservative and very anti american (but want a passport) no doubt.

I always believe that foreign policy of a country is very important and your countrys future depends on how you maintain foreign relations.

Fully agree. There should be no comprise when it comes to national security.

 

[Bewal Express]

This is just a cop out unless you are a terrorist sympathiser like IK. But I would rather give you benefit of the doubt. You are just saying this because your support for IK/PTI would be scrutinised.

You are allowed to criticise him and still support him. You don't have to be a cult follower.

Children were killed at a school by terrorists but you want to hold back. The army responded and were successfully able to wipe out those terrorists. Had they taken IK's advice, who knows how many people would've been killed?



I don't support the establishment nor do I support TTP. If you want a response regarding the "difference", I did address this indirectly in my response to Major, if you refer to post 87.

So the British govt that negotiated with IRA were terrorist sympathiser? This is the level I expect from guys that want to continue with the conflict but then don't want thd blow back. Ultimately all conflicts are ended through negotiation.
As far as wiping them out. They didn't they killed many but they themselves created those very people. And what makes those deaths any more valuable than all the 1000s of other deaths. Each and every life of a PK is precious and because our Generals don't believe that, we have no moral high ground. We let the Americans kills 1000s of our citizens, why?
You keep saying you don't support the establishment but you do.Where have you condemned the evil of our Generals against innocent PTI workers? For me they are just as evil. Both don't believe in the PK constitution, both have killed innocent people and both will do any to have their way.

 

[topspin]

So the British govt that negotiated with IRA were terrorist sympathiser? This is the level I expect from guys that want to continue with the conflict but then don't want thd blow back. Ultimately all conflicts are ended through negotiation.
As far as wiping them out. They didn't they killed many but they themselves created those very people. And what makes those deaths any more valuable than all the 1000s of other deaths. Each and every life of a PK is precious and because our Generals don't believe that, we have no moral high ground. We let the Americans kills 1000s of our citizens, why?

I can promise you, had the IRA carried out a massacre in a school full of children, there would have been no negotiations. See this is the thing, you are resorting to lame nonsense like this because you are incapable of criticising IK. You have to justify everything he does because you are an active PTI donor.

You should be ashamed that you making to donations to a party headed by some terrorist sympathiser. This is a fact that you cannot disapprove. He called OBL a "shaheed". OBL was one of the biggest terrorists in the world, so if he's a martyr then I have no doubt in his mind TTP et al are freedom fighters.

You keep saying you don't support the establishment but you do. Where have you condemned the evil of our Generals against innocent PTI workers? For me they are just as evil. Both don't believe in the PK constitution, both have killed innocent people and both will do any to have their way.

The establishment are the most revolting entity in Pakistan. I have never supported them. I think you know this but because I have put you in a hole, you are resorting to such nonsense out of desperation.

The way I see it everyone in Pakistan must unite against the army and everyone else in the establishment, who are the very reason why Pakistan is unable to flourish. Supporting PTI or PDM or any other political party is what they want from the people, create division and keep them distracted while they go about their business.

 

[Bewal Express]

I can promise you, had the IRA carried out a massacre in a school full of children, there would have been no negotiations. See this is the thing, you are resorting to lame nonsense like this because you are incapable of criticising IK. You have to justify everything he does because you are an active PTI donor.

You should be ashamed of this. This is because your donations are made being to a terrorist sympathiser. This is a fact that you cannot disapprove. He called OBL a "shaheed". OBL was one of the biggest terrorists in the world, so if he's a martyr then I have no doubt in his mind TTP are freedom fighters.



The establishment are the most revolting entity in Pakistan. I have never supported them. I think you know this but because I've put you in a hole, you are resorting to such nonsense out of desperation.

The way I see it everyone in Pakistan must unite against the army and everyone else in the establishment, who are the reason why Pakistan is unable to flourish. Supporting PTI or PDM or any other political party is what they want from the people, create division and keep them distracted while they go about their business.

They killed at Enniskillen on a Rememberence day service, they killed people in Manchester in 1996 after the 1st cease fire broke down. Ultimately, peace will come through negotiations because total defeat of these groups is impossible.
So you are claiming that you put in hole but can you refer me to your posts on the crimes they have committed on the PTI workers. Thought not.
The PDM are too compromised to go against the army. Only IK has shown himself to be brave enough to take them on by putting his life on the life. If IK loses PK will be under permanent mafia rule.

 

[Bewal Express]

They killed at Enniskillen on a Rememberence day service, they killed people in Manchester in 1996 after the 1st cease fire broke down. Ultimately, peace will come through negotiations because total defeat of these groups is impossible.
So you are claiming that you put in hole but can you refer me to your posts on the crimes they have committed on the PTI workers. Thought not.
The PDM are too compromised to go against the army. Only IK has shown himself to be brave enough to take them on by putting his life on the life. If IK loses PK will be under permanent mafia rule.

Edit Omagh bombing in 1998.

 

[Rajdeep]

I have no skin in this, but what i would say is Pakistan has generally been very hospitable for Genuine Afganis who are struggling. But then we see Afganis who clearly use Anti Pakistan sentiments then one has to realise how ungrateful some people are. GET RID OF THEM.

Your plea has been heard bro
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Pakistan plans to expel three million Afghans from the country this year​

PESHAWAR: Pakistan plans to expel 3 million Afghan nationals from the country this year, as a deadline for them to voluntarily leave the capital and surrounding areas expired on Monday.

It’s the latest phase of a nationwide crackdown launched in October 2023 to expel foreigners living in Pakistan illegally, mostly Afghans. The campaign has drawn fire from rights groups, the Taliban government, and the UN
Arrests and deportations were due to begin April 1 but were pushed back to April 10 because of the Eid Al-Fitr holidays marking the end of Ramadan, according to government documents seen by The Associated Press.
About 845,000 Afghans have left Pakistan over the past 18 months, figures from the International Organization for Migration show.

Pakistan says 3 million Afghans remain. Of these, 1,344,584 hold Proof of Registration cards, while 807,402 have Afghan Citizen Cards. There are a further 1 million Afghans who are in the country illegally because they have no paperwork.
Pakistan said it will make sure that Afghans do not return once deported.
Authorities wanted Afghan Citizen cardholders to leave the capital Islamabad and Rawalpindi city by March 31 and return to Afghanistan voluntarily or be deported.

Those with Proof of Registration can stay in Pakistan until June 30, while Afghans bound for third-country resettlement must also leave Islamabad and Rawalpindi by March 31.
Authorities have said they will work with foreign diplomatic missions to resettle Afghans, failing which they will also be deported from Pakistan.

Tens of thousands of Afghans fled after the Taliban takeover in 2021. They were approved for resettlement in the US through a program that helps people at risk because of their work with the American government, media, aid agencies, and rights groups.

However, President Donald Trump paused US refugee programs in January and 20,000 Afghans are now in limbo.
The Taliban want Afghan refugees to return with dignity
“No Afghan officials to be made part of any committee or formal decision-making process,” one of the documents said about the expulsion plans.

A spokesman for Afghanistan’s Refugee Ministry, Abdul Mutalib Haqqani, told The Associated Press that Pakistan was taking decisions arbitrarily, without involving the UN refugee agency or the Taliban government.
“We have shared our problems with them, stating that unilaterally expelling refugees is neither in their interest nor ours,” said Haqqani. “It is not in their interest because expelling them in this way raises hatred against Pakistan.
“For us, it is natural that managing so many Afghans coming back is a challenge. We have requested they should be deported through a mechanism and mutual understanding so they can return with dignity.”
Two transit stations will be set up in the northwest province of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa to help with deportations. One will be in Nasir Bagh, an area in the Peshawar suburbs. The second will be in the border town of Landi Kotal, some 7 kilometers from the Torkham crossing.

Afghans are unsure of their future in a country they don’t know
It is not clear what will happen to children born in Pakistan to Afghan parents, Afghan couples with different document types, and families where one parent is a Pakistani citizen and the other is Afghan. But officials indicated to the AP that social welfare staff will be on hand to help with such cases.

Omaid Khan, 30, has an Afghan Citizen Card while his wife has Proof of Registration. According to Pakistani government policy, he has to leave but his wife can stay until June 30. Their two children have no documents, including passports or identity cards from either country.

“I am from Paktia province but I have never been there and I am not sure about my future,” he said.
Nazir Ahmed was born in the southwest Pakistani city of Quetta and has never been to Afghanistan. His only connection to the country was through his father, who died in Quetta four years ago.
“How can we go there?” said Ahmed, who is 21. “Few people know us. All our relatives live in Quetta. What will we do if we go there? We appeal to the Pakistani government to give us some time so we can go and find out, at least get some employment.”

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2595442/world

 

[emranabbas]

They all must leave. Pakistan itself is a struggling country, and we cannot bear the burden of 3 million ungrateful Afghans. If PTI or the KPK Chief Minister wants to support them, they should host and feed them in their own homes.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

They all must leave. Pakistan itself is a struggling country, and we cannot bear the burden of 3 million ungrateful Afghans. If PTI or the KPK Chief Minister wants to support them, they should host and feed them in their own homes.

Fully agree. We are not USA or Switzerland although @Bewal Express thinks Punjab used to be Switzerland before MN

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Pakist

it’s funny to me how people talk in absolute terms like everything is so black and white “Pakistan needs to side with the West. China and Russia are not good for Pakistan “ while it’s good to look at things from a macro level and have an understanding in a broader context one must also accept rhat it’s more nuanced than that.
I would take Major’s opinions more seriously if he was more nuanced in his thinking but unfortunately as learned as he is in politics, his understanding seems to be shallow and and comes from a point of view of a party worker with biases - not an analyst.

There are many issues are I agree such as the emergence of China as a global power is not good. People who support Russia and China are very ignorant about the consequences of these powers having an influence. But having said this, there are no good guys when it comes to world politics. Major is suggesting Pakistan siding with the US is a good thing and US will support Pakistan in a war is not at all true. Trump coming into power has kind of muddied the water with the relationship with its western allies. Historically US has only ever engaged in a war to stay over its global hegemony. If there is a war between world powers, the EU is more like to engage and US will avoid getting involved directly as was the case in world war 2. Pakistan siding with the US doesn’t mean anything. There’s nothing to be gained from the kind of relationship Pakistan has with the US. What good is the relationship when Pakistan can’t even stay out of the travel restriction list? Also, Pakistani establishment has time and again played double games with the Americans and they know not to trust Pakistan. They have a much better partner in India to counter China. Pakistan needs to diversify its trading partners and not rely on a select few countries, mend its ties with India and focus on fixing its internal issues with corruption and extremism.
There’s a lot more to it and I will try to find an appropriate thread to go into more depth and touch on the more nuanced topics when I have a chance.

I also agree on the systematic removal of Afghans from Pakistan but I’m not willing to label them all as traitors because they are not. It’s kind of like saying “All Muslims are terrorists” which obviously isn’t true.

Funny how a certain party's supporters always make pro India pro US and anti China Russia statements, completely against our national interests and stated policy.

 

[emranabbas]

They all must leave. Pakistan itself is a struggling country, and we cannot bear the burden of 3 million ungrateful Afghans. If PTI or the KPK Chief Minister wants to support them, they should host and feed them in their own homes.

We need to approach this realistically. I understand that many of these Afghans are relatives of PTI supporters and Imran Khan, but we simply cannot accommodate them. They are now spreading across Punjab, taking jobs that could go to locals. Removing them would free up at least half a million job opportunities for our own people.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

We need to approach this realistically. I understand that many of these Afghans are relatives of PTI supporters and Imran Khan, but we simply cannot accommodate them. They are now spreading across Punjab, taking jobs that could go to locals. Removing them would free up at least half a million job opportunities for our own people.

How about actually negotiating the Durand line. Afghans never accepted the British line. Pakistan should deal with their Afghan brothers without the baggage of the Brits.