Kuldeep Yadav should have been played in all SENA Tests

[Bhaijaan]

He plays a test at flat SCG and takes a potentially match winning 5fer.

What an absolute game changer this guy is who can turn it on on any surface anywhere in the world.

India should have played him in South Africa, England, Australia everywhere.

He missed out on all those tests and India missed out on his bowling.

 

[Snow]

Only if we had this playing XI playing all the matches. We would have won all the series.

 

[Sin Nombre]

Only if we had this playing XI playing all the matches. We would have won all the series.

India would have won all the series if Root and Faf were as manhoos as Paine with the coin tosses.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

To be fair this time neither Ashwin or Jadeja bowled bad, and they also scored important runs like Ashwin knock in first test match.
Yadav failed in England test match and that created the doubt.
But yadav is the future, and he is quite young even not 24 years old, so in three years time he will play all matches

 

[BreadPakoda]

Easy to say in retrospect after he’s got a 5-for. Didn’t he play a test in England and go for plenty?

 

[Buffet]

Bowling with 600 is different than bowling with 300 for spinners.

 

[TM Riddle]

Disagree Bhaijaan.
It's Jadeja who should be kept permanently in the squad for SENA games. Kuldeep and Ashwin should be played according to the conditions.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

No

Toss and runs on board matter. We lost 6 tosses in eng/ sa

 

[BreadPakoda]

No

Toss and runs on board matter. We lost 6 tosses in eng/ sa

IIRC we lost 10/10 tosses against England in last 2 series. Lol

 

[Bhaijaan]

Disagree Bhaijaan.
It's Jadeja who should be kept permanently in the squad for SENA games. Kuldeep and Ashwin should be played according to the conditions.

Jadeja can bat but if you want to win you should go for Kully The Enforcer!

 

[Bhaijaan]

Bowling with 600 is different than bowling with 300 for spinners.

Indian bowlers bowl much better when score is low.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Ashwin should never be picked. most boring and overrated spinner.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Cant play as a lone spinner. He is wayyy too risky.

But could hav been part of a 2 spin attack. Jaddu was the one who was ill-treated this SENA tour.

As I kept saying, we should hav gone for 3+2 combo in all SENA games except Joberg.

Had we done it we would hav won Centurion, Edgbaston, Southampton too.

Sadly few had the same opinion.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Only if we had this playing XI playing all the matches. We would have won all the series.

With just 2 pacers, we would have won ghanta on other SENA pitches.

 

[TM Riddle]

Jadeja can bat but if you want to win you should go for Kully The Enforcer!

Like SIF bhai said playing a lone spinner and that too a Chinaman is way too risky and could cost us games in the future.
I'm yet to be sold out on Kully though after his horrendous bowling in England but here's hoping this performance would boost up his confidence.

Jadeja is a must in the SENA games.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

IIRC we lost 10/10 tosses against England in last 2 series. Lol

9 out of 10.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Disagree, he was not very good in England and this Australian batting is mediocre, being honest. India has many good pacers anyway.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Extremely unfair to judge Kuldeep on his performance on a greentop during a damp few days in London. It's utterly foolish to conclude that he would have failed had he been picked in the other tests. That was the biggest selection error made by Shastri and Kohli during the last year.

 

[TM Riddle]

Extremely unfair to judge Kuldeep on his performance on a greentop during a damp few days in London. It's utterly foolish to conclude that he would have failed had he been picked in the other tests. That was the biggest selection error made by Shastri and Kohli during the last year.

Same way it would be a massive gamble to play him as a lonely spinner in SENA.
Should be part of a combo featuring either Jadeja or Ashwin.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Disagree Bhaijaan.
It's Jadeja who should be kept permanently in the squad for SENA games. Kuldeep and Ashwin should be played according to the conditions.

Kullu can play as lone spinner in SENA. He’s a proper match winner.

 

[TM Riddle]

Kullu can play as lone spinner in SENA. He’s a proper match winner.

Think age has finally started to catch up Bhaijaan.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Extremely unfair to judge Kuldeep on his performance on a greentop during a damp few days in London. It's utterly foolish to conclude that he would have failed had he been picked in the other tests. That was the biggest selection error made by Shastri and Kohli during the last year.

Yes green top made him bowl full tosses and long hops.

Kuldeep averages 31.53 in Indian domestics with an economy of 3.67 (I have excluded international results). 3.85 wickets per game.

Ashwin and Jaddu have an economy of under 2.8 and 2.5 respectively. Wickets per game higher than Kuldeep (Jaddu being highest).

Kuldeep has the highest potential amongst any of our spinners but to throw him at the deep end as a lone spinner is just asking for trouble.

We people see leggies running through a team and we assume they will always be a threat. Not necessarily.

I have seen a domestic game (Day Night) where Kuldeep was thrashed mercilessly while Jaddu picked a 10fer.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-scorecard/16991/indred-vs-indblue-final-duleep-trophy-2016

1-216 at 4.8 economy.

One day like that in SENA and the test is gone. Dead as dodo.

Even at home, he has had good and bad days. Will either pick wickets or go for a lot of runs.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Yes green top made him bowl full tosses and long hops.

Kuldeep averages 31.53 in Indian domestics with an economy of 3.67 (I have excluded international results). 3.85 wickets per game.

Ashwin and Jaddu have an economy of under 2.8 and 2.5 respectively. Wickets per game higher than Kuldeep (Jaddu being highest).

Kuldeep has the highest potential amongst any of our spinners but to throw him at the deep end as a lone spinner is just asking for trouble.

We people see leggies running through a team and we assume they will always be a threat. Not necessarily.

I have seen a domestic game (Day Night) where Kuldeep was thrashed mercilessly while Jaddu picked a 10fer.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-scorecard/16991/indred-vs-indblue-final-duleep-trophy-2016

1-216 at 4.8 economy.

One day like that in SENA and the test is gone. Dead as dodo.

Even at home, he has had good and bad days. Will either pick wickets or go for a lot of runs.

Having played cricket with a lot of leg-spinners, they are probably the most fragile cricketers out there. They need to be given a lot of confidence and nurtured carefully, but if it comes together it is a sight to behold. Wrist spin is in my opinion the toughest skill to master in the game, and chinaman googly bowling is arguably even harder as the ball is coming into the right-handed batsman most of the time, so it's easier to hit when it's not accurate. I agree that finger spinners will always be more reliable, particularly in India, so Kuldeep's domestic record in comparison with Jadeja and Ashwin will always look mediocre.

At Lord's, it was a special set of circumstances, Adil Rashid didn't even bowl a single over. Kuldeep was thrown in at the deep-end and needed to be backed by the captain and coach. That he bowled full-tosses is predictable given the sheer pressure he was under as the pitch was doing nothing. When a wrist-spinner tries a lot of things and doesn't focus on landing the ball accurately, you will always see long-hops. It was a monumentally stupid decision to select him, especially after Day 1 had been washed out.

At the end of the day, you need a courageous captain and coach to back a spinner like Kuldeep.

 

[Rishta Aunty]

Kuldeep is nowhere close to the finished article. He looks a million-bucks on his good days, and can stink the place up on the bad ones. It's the same for all top-LOI spinners. We saw what happened to Rashid in his first test.

Ashwin has been top notch in this series, so I don't see where the hate for him comes from at all. He's basically your perfect attacking spinner. Lyon, who gets made out as some kind of genius, has both benefited from having gun fast bowlers who can attack and the benefit of defensive fields. There's a reason he averages 32.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Having played cricket with a lot of leg-spinners, they are probably the most fragile cricketers out there. They need to be given a lot of confidence and nurtured carefully, but if it comes together it is a sight to behold. Wrist spin is in my opinion the toughest skill to master in the game, and chinaman googly bowling is arguably even harder as the ball is coming into the right-handed batsman most of the time, so it's easier to hit when it's not accurate. I agree that finger spinners will always be more reliable, particularly in India, so Kuldeep's domestic record in comparison with Jadeja and Ashwin will always look mediocre.

At Lord's, it was a special set of circumstances, Adil Rashid didn't even bowl a single over. Kuldeep was thrown in at the deep-end and needed to be backed by the captain and coach. That he bowled full-tosses is predictable given the sheer pressure he was under as the pitch was doing nothing. When a wrist-spinner tries a lot of things and doesn't focus on landing the ball accurately, you will always see long-hops. It was a monumentally stupid decision to select him, especially after Day 1 had been washed out.

At the end of the day, you need a courageous captain and coach to back a spinner like Kuldeep.

I dont disagree with your core point but your post has all the clichés one says when talking about leggies.

You know what would be the best way to back Kuldeep?

Playing him as one of the 2 spinners so there's someone to clean up after his mess.

As a lone spinner, if he loses the team 2 tests overseas, the psychological impact will be huge. Not only will he be dropped but it will haunt him for years.

 

[Last Monetarist]

I dont disagree with your core point but your post has all the clichés one says when talking about leggies.

You know what would be the best way to back Kuldeep?

Playing him as one of the 2 spinners so there's someone to clean up after his mess.

As a lone spinner, if he loses the team 2 tests overseas, the psychological impact will be huge. Not only will he be dropped but it will haunt him for years.

I am not even advocating playing him as the single spinner. My whole point was that it was stupid to judge him based on his performance at Lord's.

If Kuldeep has any aspirations to be a successful test spinner, he has to stop focusing on T20 cricket. He needs to learn how to bowl long-spells and learn how to land the ball accurately. That process will typically take between a year and 18 months. It might be clichéd again but it's true that all successful wrist-spinners have one very good stock delivery. At the moment, I can't tell you what is Kuldeep's stock delivery. By the way, taking time off T20 cricket is impractical given the IPL riches on offer.

Regarding captains backing him, it's not throwing him to the wolves after the team has been bowled out in a session. The other point is illustrated in your post when you mention that he will be dropped if he loses a match overseas. Leg-spinners will lose a test here or there, because there will be days when the ball doesn't come out of the hand properly. That's where all the clichés are born. Stuart MacGill and Shane Warne lost two test matches in the Caribbean in 1999, and Warne still hasn't forgotten the slight when he was told to sit out the last match. All good captains are prepared for that.

 

[Saurav]

Cant play as a lone spinner. He is wayyy too risky.

But could hav been part of a 2 spin attack. Jaddu was the one who was ill-treated this SENA tour.

As I kept saying, we should hav gone for 3+2 combo in all SENA games except Joberg.

Had we done it we would hav won Centurion, Edgbaston, Southampton too.

Sadly few had the same opinion.

This. Can play as 2nd spinner on dry pitches but not as main spinner.We must understand that our strike bowlers are our pacers and need a spinner who can tie an end.Runs with the bat are bonus too.Kuldeep can easily lose it in a session on a greentop

He needs to develop consistency.Way too young

However,Jaddu has shown great important and Ashwin shouldn't be default spinner anymore.Both form and fitness are iffy for him these days

 

[Sidilicious]

I dont disagree with your core point but your post has all the clichés one says when talking about leggies.

You know what would be the best way to back Kuldeep?

Playing him as one of the 2 spinners so there's someone to clean up after his mess.

As a lone spinner, if he loses the team 2 tests overseas, the psychological impact will be huge. Not only will he be dropped but it will haunt him for years.

Well said. He needs to play as the 2nd spinner in India though. Unfortunately, he is 3rd in the pecking order when playing in India.

 

[Sidilicious]

This. Can play as 2nd spinner on dry pitches but not as main spinner.We must understand that our strike bowlers are our pacers and need a spinner who can tie an end.Runs with the bat are bonus too.Kuldeep can easily lose it in a session on a greentop

He needs to develop consistency.Way too young

However,Jaddu has shown great important and Ashwin shouldn't be default spinner anymore.Both form and fitness are iffy for him these days

Ashwin bowled brilliantly in the first test. The captain asked him to dry up the runs and did that. His fitness is an issue, but given that he was bowled to the ground in the first test by Kohli, he does have a mitigating factor. You really cant fault him in this series.

But yeah, he should have done better in England and not play half injured in the 4th test. Better fitness might have avoided that.

 

[Saurav]

Ashwin bowled brilliantly in the first test. The captain asked him to dry up the runs and did that. His fitness is an issue, but given that he was bowled to the ground in the first test by Kohli, he does have a mitigating factor. You really cant fault him in this series.

But yeah, he should have done better in England and not play half injured in the 4th test. Better fitness might have avoided that.

Adelaide was much better for spinners than what Jaddu,yet he equalled the performances.

I'm not saying throw him in the bin,but given Jaddu's batting and fielding lately,he deserves to be the first choice spinner.He bowls long spells without breaking down too

 

[Last Monetarist]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="fr"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The difference between Kuldeep's leggie and googly from a front-on view <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AUSvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AUSvIND</a> <a href="https://t.co/MlKpWDfnNM">pic.twitter.com/MlKpWDfnNM</a></p>— #7Cricket (@7Cricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/7Cricket/status/1081419113019236352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5 janvier 2019</a></blockquote>
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Here is a good example of the amount of work Kuldeep needs to put in to become a good test bowler, any discerning batsman would be able to pick between his leg-break and googly because of his hand position. To overcome that, he either has to turn the ball prodigiously or be deadly accurate. Otherwise, he will be found out very quickly.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Same gentlemen who don’t want to support Kully in tests would never have picked him in LOIs either.

It’s the same old 1990 cowardly mentality of Indian cricket.

Thinking of losing instead of winning.

Fact is going by same logic Kuldeep can ho for plenty of runs in LOIs too and he does in fact get smashed every now and then and yes it could well be a World Cup final some day!!! BUT 8/10 times he is so good that he actually wins matches for India on his own and that’s why he should always be there!

Bhaijaan salutes Kohli for being man enough to have shown so much faith in Kully in LOI cricket. Faith that has been royally paid back by Kully in the form of wins especially the 5-1 phainty of South Africa in South Africa last year.

It’s time the same continues in test cricket.

 

[Saurav]

Same gentlemen who don’t want to support Kully in tests would never have picked him in LOIs either.

It’s the same old 1990 cowardly mentality of Indian cricket.

Thinking of losing instead of winning.

Fact is going by same logic Kuldeep can ho for plenty of runs in LOIs too and he does in fact get smashed every now and then and yes it could well be a World Cup final some day!!! BUT 8/10 times he is so good that he actually wins matches for India on his own and that’s why he should always be there!

Bhaijaan salutes Kohli for being man enough to have shown so much faith in Kully in LOI cricket. Faith that has been royally paid back by Kully in the form of wins especially the 5-1 phainty of South Africa in South Africa last year.

It’s time the same continues in test cricket.

When does Kuldeep play as lone spinner in ODIs?

 

[Bhaijaan]

When does Kuldeep play as lone spinner in ODIs?

Why would you wanna play lone spinner in LOIs though?

KulCha is India’s proven match winning pair.