"Kumble and my wicket count would be something else if we got pitches like these" : Harbhajan Singh

[Cricfan4eva]

"Kumble and my wicket count would be something else if we got pitches like these" : Harbhajan Singh

So Harbhajan first tweeted that this pitch is so tailor made for spin that match would be over inside 3 days.

Then he goes on to tweet that his wicket tally would have been different if he bowled on such pitches.

Sour grapes much?

Its sad to see some these Indian greats stooping so low to discredit players who are performing better than them. Gambhir first with his biopic rant and now Bhajji, they need to show some class.

 

[Abidi110]

Without taking any credits from Ash, its the batters that are inferior these days to the ones earlier who used to play spin better.Otherwise nothing has changed, no point complaining about pitches.

 

[abc_to_xyz]

Well, they are right. Kumble was a quality spinner. I feel his pain whenever I see Jadeja among the wicket-takers.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Well, they are right. Kumble was a quality spinner. I feel his pain whenever I see Jadeja among the wicket-takers.

Warne rated Jadeja highly from when he wasn't even in the Indian scene.

Warne also rates Yasir as the best leggie around.

I'm sure you agree, he knows cricket better than you, or me for that matter.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

He has got a point.

But there are more factors that play a role. The two most important are:

1. Aus, SA, NZ. Eng have become poor sides against spin bowling after losing their legendary bats. You could argue that Eng still has some decent bats who could do well in Asia, but Australia is effected the most. After Clarke and now Maxwell dropped there is no one who is even decent against spin.

2. Wickets also used to be a lot flatter in those days. I remember the Ind-Pak series and those were graveyards where Kumble still managed to perform well. Not all but most Indian wickets these days are sluggish and slow assisting spin.

Ashwin is a very intelligent bowler, but Bhajji has a point that he has had better circumstances or playing conditions.

 

[Rayyman]

Warne rated Jadeja highly from when he wasn't even in the Indian scene.

Warne also rates Yasir as the best leggie around.

I'm sure you agree, he knows cricket better than you, or me for that matter.

Warne's mind isn't right half of the time he is speaking.

 

[Thivagar]

Spin bowling quality is generally low all around. Even in weekend club matches, the best spinners are some 35 year old stump to stump left arm or off break darter. Chucking and dart bowling didn't allow spinners that flight the ball from progressing. Lot of the current gen cricketers can't play quality spin as they didn't grow up facing good spinners.

I do think Indian pitches are much more spin friendly than it was before, I don't blame Bhajji

 

[aloo paratha]

He's right tbh.

 

[The_Odd_One]

He has a point. Harbhajan, the bowler who embarrassed Ponting in India would have eaten these batsmen alive.

 

[Belawal2014]

He's not wrong, you know.

 

[Varun]

Agree, test cricket is more interesting for the spin-friendly pitches we have been putting out since 2012.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Right.

Rahane, Rohit and Pujara would have been averaging 55 in test cricket if we were playing in Bhajji's time flat pitches. Why BCCI why!

 

[Aman]

So when I say the same thing, I'm labelled a sore loser.. Harbhajan is speaking the truth.

Right.

Rahane, Rohit and Pujara would have been averaging 55 in test cricket if we were playing in Bhajji's time flat pitches. Why BCCI why!

You say that jokingly, but it's probably true.

 

[JattMaula]

We saw you bowl in tandem with Ashwin. Please don't be a Pakistani ex-cricketer.

 

[Aman]

We saw you bowl in tandem with Ashwin. Please don't be a Pakistani ex-cricketer.

Doesn't Jadeja have better numbers than most of your legends?

 

[Zak_Fan]

Why do all these former spinners end up so bitter and insecure? Bedi, Ajmal and now Bhajji.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

So when I say the same thing, I'm labelled a sore loser.. Harbhajan is speaking the truth.

You say that jokingly, but it's probably true.

Partly true because pitches now a days in India are result oriented unless it rains there has been not even a single drawn test. Bhajji fizzled out because he was bowling flatter and unable to switch formats. Ojha and Mishra were outperforming him hence dropped.

Regardless of pitch, Ash, Herath & Yasir are the 3 best spinners right now.

 

[JattMaula]

Doesn't Jadeja have better numbers than most of your legends?

Legend = legendary performer

So he is a legend too.

Even if you don't rate him, I do and his performances do too.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Already looks like 2 days old pitch before the 1st bowl is bowled..my predictions match won't go more then 3 and half days.. <a href="https://t.co/obn4qVRnP6">https://t.co/obn4qVRnP6</a></p>— Harbhajan Turbanator (@harbhajan_singh) <a href="https://twitter.com/harbhajan_singh/status/784640525735333888">October 8, 2016</a></blockquote>
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In response to someone bringing up Ind vs sa, Kanpur, 2008 and Ind vs Aus, Mumbai 2004...

His tweet:

 

[naseem]

Not entirely sour grape.... earlier only
Few centres would have dustbowl.. .like Mumbai.. .kanpur to name a few... kolkata and Chennai are few ground where one can see sporting pitches...but that too for first 2 or 2 and half days ...nowadays... everywhere you see.... pitch remains pretty poor.... from 2nd day onwards.... India is lucky to have won all the toss here...

Anyway...ashwin is a very clever bowler....better than many in this regard....he is a fighter and learner.... he is a student of cricket and never shy away from applauding other sportsman where it is due and at the same time criticising them who have appeared to break cricketing rules....

 

[EliteCynical]

The same Bhajji was complaining last year about domestic pitches having so much assistance for the pacers, that an average bowler is made to look like Malcom Marshall (I think the dig was at Vinay Kumar).

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

The same Bhajji was complaining last year about domestic pitches having so much assistance for the pacers, that an average bowler is made to look like Malcom Marshall (I think the dig was at Vinay Kumar).

Domestics I can understand cos its the training ground for players. Too much of green seamers or rank turners can have an adverse effect on player development.

He did make some very fair points reg that.

Main games..its different. The goal is not development but winning.

Plus I guess Bhajji isn't aware that India has played in only 5 rank turners post 2011 (Mumbai, Chennai, Delhi, Mohali & Nagpur). Bhajji himself played in 2 of them. Was old so didn't so much.

On an unrelated news, Jayant Yadav was picked as backup offie this time.

 

[HussainRx8]

Warne rated Jadeja highly from when he wasn't even in the Indian scene.

Warne also rates Yasir as the best leggie around.

I'm sure you agree, he knows cricket better than you, or me for that matter.

It's a bit ambitious to say that Jadeja is the best slow left arm around.

 

[sarthak]

Hahaa the grapes are really sour ... first he was embarrassed after he indirectly claimed that Indore was a rank turner and India batted so well and now he's trying to run down others

Ashwin is already a bigger match winner than him

 

[Ab Fan]

Well, those who comment only after looking at stats everywhere, then Jadeja had a 6-fer in South Africa.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Bhajji has turned into such a bitter man off late. Mate your career is finished. Thank your lucky stars that you didn't have to undergo biomechanical testing under current protocol instead of whining about pitches

 

[Ab Fan]

Right.

Rahane, Rohit and Pujara would have been averaging 55 in test cricket if we were playing in Bhajji's time flat pitches. Why BCCI why!

Kohli not Rohit.

 

[HussainRx8]

Bhajji has turned into such a bitter man off late. Mate your career is finished. Thank your lucky stars that you didn't have to undergo biomechanical testing under current protocol instead of whining about pitches

Why is he bitter? Indian wickets are spinning a lot more than when he was playing.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Why is he bitter? Indian wickets are spinning a lot more than when he was playing.

Not true. Bhajji was around when Michael Clarke took 6 wickets in on of our matches. Also 2013 OZ tour of India had turners and Bhajji played. He was comfortably outbowled by Jaddu/Ashwin.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

As an Indian who has been watching cricket since 1999, Kumble and Ashwin are the top 2 bowlers who have won most number of matches for us @ home.

 

[JaDed]

Difference between Kumble and Bhajji right there,that's why guys like Kumble,Dravid are legends because they are humble and not complaining about batting pitches or spin friendly pitches just get on with your work FGS.

 

[joly]

Bhajji used to be a very good bowler in his prime,but these are sour grapes mate,Ashwin has become a serious bowler after the 2015 WC,admit it and why drag poor Kumble in between,the guy bowled well till his last days on the cricket field without a fuss

 

[Belawal2014]

Sour grapes from Bhajji because he merely stated a fact?

 

[Macho Man]

Without taking any credits from Ash, its the batters that are inferior these days to the ones earlier who used to play spin better.Otherwise nothing has changed, no point complaining about pitches.

Well said, I completely agree here.

 

[Ellipsism]

Warne rated Jadeja highly from when he wasn't even in the Indian scene.

Warne also rates Yasir as the best leggie around.

I'm sure you agree, he knows cricket better than you, or me for that matter.

He rated Jadeja as a good LO option but never expected him to have the success he has had in the test arena.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

There is some truth to his statement.

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

Better to accept Ashwin's a better bowler.

Nit much has changed in Indian pitches, we dont have some of the flat roads from 2007-2010. Barring that period, pitches have mostly been the same.

Ashwin claimed more wickwts in SL and WI, weak sides yes but wereh pitches tailored for him away from home too?

 

[The King of Kings]

"my wickets wouldn't have counted if my action got tested a decade ago" : Harbhajan Singh

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Sour grapes from Bhajji because he merely stated a fact?

Just cos someone states the truth (partial truths tbf) doesn't mean they are just being honest and nothing else.

Its all in the context.

If Bhajji was so honest and forthcoming, why didn't he talk about all this in the last 4 years when he too got to play in the same pitches?

If he didn't say it while he got to play in them, then he has no right saying it now.

Bhajji averages 41 in the same pitches Ashwin played in. 41 average in Asian pitches since 2011. Kept mum all this while and now opens it up.

Yes, someone like Ashwin averages 20 in India under BCCI pitches. But how come the same guy averages 19 in Bangladesh and 18 in SL under pitches prepared by someone else?

At the end of the day, this issue is less about pitch and more about the fact that he simply and absolutely cannot digest the fact that Ashwin has raced past him.

And if you check my earlier posts years back, I mention why Ashwin hated him. When he came onto the team, Bhajji was his inspiration but instead of trying to bowl better than Ashwin, Bhajji was more focused on how he could make sure he was in the team instead of Ash. That was the vibe he always gave to Ash.

And it led to the end of his career.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Actually he has rights to talk about the pitch even now (even if he didn't talk during his playing days)...but the timing, situation does make it odd.

And everyone knows why he is talking anyways.

 

[JattMaula]

Jayant Yadav better be ready for some love from Bhajji.

Tweets like "pitch can be used for dirt racing" will come out.

 

[JaDed]

On a side note if he is the one tweeting his English has improved a lot since he first came into the international arena.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Warne's mind isn't right half of the time he is speaking.

Sure, convenient

He rated Jadeja as a good LO option but never expected him to have the success he has had in the test arena.

Why because it suits your line of thinking?

Warne didn't mention formats, he just called Jadeja a very talented player and said he saw something special in him in trials.

Why is it so difficult for you guys to accept Jadeja is a decent bowler? No one is saying he is the best spinner in the world or the best ever left-arm bowler.

 

[Slog]

Harbhajan should be thanking his lucky stars that the peak of his career is not in this era as he would have been called for a suspected action soon enough and be banned for the chucking he so blatantly took part in

 

[Slog]

Warne rated Jadeja highly from when he wasn't even in the Indian scene.

Warne also rates Yasir as the best leggie around.

I'm sure you agree, he knows cricket better than you, or me for that matter.

To be fair the guys got a point

Warne rates EVERYBODY as long as they are a spinner

There's a long list of lulloo spinners he has rated highly

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Sour grapes from Bhajji because he merely stated a fact?

It is a fact no one debating that.

On these pitches India play 2 if not 3 spinners together, why is Ashwin alone with 20 5-wicket hauls?

Harbhajan in matches with Ashwin's average is in brackets.

in India - 41 (24)

in Bangladesh - 25 (19)

in Sri Lanka - 90 (16)

Still think its not sour grapes?

Bhajji just seems insecure that what took him over a 100 tests and a decade in international cricket (400+ wickets), Ashwin might get there in well 60-70 tests.

 

[Aman]

It is a fact no one debating that.

On these pitches India play 2 if not 3 spinners together, why is Ashwin alone with 20 5-wicket hauls?

Harbhajan in matches with Ashwin's average is in brackets.

in India - 41 (24)

in Bangladesh - 25 (19)

in Sri Lanka - 90 (16)

Still think its not sour grapes?

Bhajji just seems insecure that what took him over a 100 tests and a decade in international cricket (400+ wickets), Ashwin might get there in well 60-70 tests.

How many games have you got in Aus, NZ and SA? Or will Ashwin sit those ones out too?

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

On a side note if he is the one tweeting his English has improved a lot since he first came into the international arena.

Has married a NRI Girl who was born and raised in UK. So tarakki to dikhegi hi

 

[Cricfan4eva]

To be fair the guys got a point

Warne rates EVERYBODY as long as they are a spinner

There's a long list of lulloo spinners he has rated highly

Again it's not being said that Jadeja is best or a top spin bowler. He's decent, he's a good support act for a class bowler like Ashwin. No one is comparing him with Herath or saying he's next Derek Underwood.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Bhajji is lucky that he played for india. If he was playing for any other country then he would have been banned long time ago. Even with the help of chucking he couldn't do what ashwin is doing with clean action. Pitches have changed a little bit but no much. Bhajji had one of the best middle order batsman playing with him at that time whereas ashwin has himself become one of the middle order batsman. I think bhajji is jealous.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

How many games have you got in Aus, NZ and SA? Or will Ashwin sit those ones out too?

And how is that relevant here? Is anyone saying Ashwin is a top performer in those countries?

"sit those ones out" - do you know something we all don't know, or its just your bitterness for Ashwin on display?

 

[Aman]

And how is that relevant here? Is anyone saying Ashwin is a top performer in those countries?

"sit those ones out" - do you know something we all don't know, or its just your bitterness for Ashwin on display?

Last time he wasn't deemed good enough to play ahead of Jadeja.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Last time he wasn't deemed good enough to play ahead of Jadeja.

Yeah so he was dropped, you made it sound like he opted out of those challenges.

But a lot has changed since then, no?

The new captain has come out and hailed him as a bigger match winner than batsmen in the team. He's performed in Sri Lanka and West Indies. One can only wait till the next time he tours to those places to see if he's actually improved to bowl well on those surfaces or not.

Until then if he's performing, I see no reason to downplay it.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Current Indian bowlers have dust bowls which turn from Day 1 to bowl on, Indian past spinners had their wife umpiring for them during games so got plenty of bonus wickets. So reality is both sets of Indian spinners had favorable conditions in which to play cricket under.

 

[JaDed]

Current Indian bowlers have dust bowls which turn from Day 1 to bowl on, Indian past spinners had their wife umpiring for them during games so got plenty of bonus wickets. So reality is both sets of Indian spinners had favorable conditions in which to play cricket under.

Yes sadly that has been the case for whole SC which is why Pakistan actually had decent batsmen in the name of Zaheer and Miandad if not that would hadn't existed as well and Pakistan would actually be a country with zilch in batting statistics.

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

See a batting wicket has turned into a spitting cobra when India are bowling.

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

Current Indian bowlers have dust bowls which turn from Day 1 to bowl on, Indian past spinners had their wife umpiring for them during games so got plenty of bonus wickets. So reality is both sets of Indian spinners had favorable conditions in which to play cricket under.

Right and rest of the team obviously never had those advantages. The term 'home conditions' was actually invented by BCCI.

 

[Ellipsism]

Sure, convenient



Why because it suits your line of thinking?

Warne didn't mention formats, he just called Jadeja a very talented player and said he saw something special in him in trials.

Why is it so difficult for you guys to accept Jadeja is a decent bowler? No one is saying he is the best spinner in the world or the best ever left-arm bowler.

I speak fact. Jadeja is decent on rank turners, otherwise he is as mediocre as they come... I'm sure there are much better options than Jadeja in the Indian set up.

 

[Sidilicious]

In the same day, one team scores 200+ losing 3 wickets with one of the batsmen scoring a 100 at 68 SR. On the same day, the other team capitulates for 150......and people claim its a rank turner!!

 

[Sidilicious]

I speak fact. Jadeja is decent on rank turners, otherwise he is as mediocre as they come... I'm sure there are much better options than Jadeja in the Indian set up.

Jadeja is a really good support spinner. But with his batting and his fielding he is a much better package than Amit Mishra.

 

[Zak_Fan]

In the same day, one team scores 200+ losing 3 wickets with one of the batsmen scoring a 100 at 68 SR. On the same day, the other team capitulates for 150......and people claim its a rank turner!!

All lame excuses. For some, it helps ease the pain of loss, for others, it helps take away credit from the #1 bowler in the world.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

I speak fact. Jadeja is decent on rank turners, otherwise he is as mediocre as they come... I'm sure there are much better options than Jadeja in the Indian set up.

It doesn't really help your argument if you just say 'you speak fact'.

Again, read clearly. Jadeja is a support act and he is a decent spinner. There maybe better options than him in domestic circuit but he doesn't just bring his bowling with him. He's a top class fielder and makes our lower order solid.


And yes, he also roughens up the pitch for us.

 

[Junaids]

Harbhajan should be thanking his lucky stars that the peak of his career is not in this era as he would have been called for a suspected action soon enough and be banned for the chucking he so blatantly took part in

Exactly!

 

[TQ89]

Don't know the background of this statement but here he is acting just like our Pakistani Ex-cricketers cum experts.

 

[Buffet]

3rd test - So one team has 773/8 on the same pitch and it's called a rank turners?

2nd test - 65% of total wickets were taken by pacers from both sides. Indian pacers took 60% of wickets as well. It's called a rank turner?

On a rank turner, both situation will never happen.



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I think many folks have no perspective and can't appreciate when they see good bowling. Harbhajan is one of them.

 

[troodon]

Bhajji, please retire gracefully. You have been a great bowler for India and gave us incredible memories. Please do not ruin your reputation by making these stupid statements.

Barring a few pitches, the rest of the Indian wickets are exactly the same that Bhajji and Kumble played on. NZ series pitches were not rank turners. They offered a little bit of turn. Ashwin was decieving batsmen with flight and dip.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

See a batting wicket has turned into a spitting cobra when India are bowling.

Hopefully the pitch was not spitting 'paan ki peek' onto NZ players.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

3rd test - So one team has 773/8 on the same pitch and it's called a rank turners?

2nd test - 65% of total wickets were taken by pacers from both sides. Indian pacers took 60% of wickets as well. It's called a rank turner?

On a rank turner, both situation will never happen.



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I think many folks have no perspective and can't appreciate when they see good bowling. Harbhajan is one of them.

Retiring with grace is something most Indian legends except RD and Laxman haven't done.

Sehwag cried about not getting a send-off match, Gauti keeps taking dig at MSD anyway he can, SRT was such a huge figure that to force him out they had to arrange a 2 match series, not sure what solace he found from that as apart from a section of Indian fans it was deemed a disgrace to reduce SA series to accomodate Sachin's farewell at home. Ganguly again forced out. Bhajji now.

Frustrating as they had a huge hand in taking Indian cricket where it is today and now are spoiling their reputation by being sour about players who are performing better than them.

 

[Ellipsism]

It doesn't really help your argument if you just say 'you speak fact'.

Again, read clearly. Jadeja is a support act and he is a decent spinner. There maybe better options than him in domestic circuit but he doesn't just bring his bowling with him. He's a top class fielder and makes our lower order solid.


And yes, he also roughens up the pitch for us.

Whatever makes you happy. ☺

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Retiring with grace is something most Indian legends except RD and Laxman haven't done.

Sehwag cried about not getting a send-off match, Gauti keeps taking dig at MSD anyway he can, SRT was such a huge figure that to force him out they had to arrange a 2 match series, not sure what solace he found from that as apart from a section of Indian fans it was deemed a disgrace to reduce SA series to accomodate Sachin's farewell at home. Ganguly again forced out. Bhajji now.

Frustrating as they had a huge hand in taking Indian cricket where it is today and now are spoiling their reputation by being sour about players who are performing better than them.

SRT wanted to play in SA.

SA series was shortened not due to SRT but cos BCCI started throwing a hissy fit reg Haroon Lorgat.

But the 2 test series against WI could have been arranged for him.

 

[soso_killer]

couldn't agree more Bhaji.
Gone are the days where guile and patience brought one wickets in India. Today the pitch does all the dirty work which is disappointing .
I'll never forget the epic battle between you and Amla, it was a masterclass. Amla refused to budge, but in the end India prevailed with 9 balls to spare. It was a thriller, and the best match I've ever seen in those conditions.
It's a disgrace what India have stooped to. It would be interesting to hear from Kumble if he ever exchanged text and WhatsApp messages with curators at any point in his career.

 

[street cricketer]

couldn't agree more Bhaji.
Gone are the days where guile and patience brought one wickets in India. Today the pitch does all the dirty work which is disappointing .
I'll never forget the epic battle between you and Amla, it was a masterclass. Amla refused to budge, but in the end India prevailed with 9 balls to spare. It was a thriller, and the best match I've ever seen in those conditions.
It's a disgrace what India have stooped to. It would be interesting to hear from Kumble if he ever exchanged text and WhatsApp messages with curators at any point in his career.

Did you even watch this series?

 

[oneindia]

couldn't agree more Bhaji.
Gone are the days where guile and patience brought one wickets in India. Today the pitch does all the dirty work which is disappointing .
I'll never forget the epic battle between you and Amla, it was a masterclass. Amla refused to budge, but in the end India prevailed with 9 balls to spare. It was a thriller, and the best match I've ever seen in those conditions.
It's a disgrace what India have stooped to. It would be interesting to hear from Kumble if he ever exchanged text and WhatsApp messages with curators at any point in his career.

Did you even watch a single match in this series, India stopped so low that Virat " Out of form " Kohli smashed a double, Rahane smashed 188, Sluggish Pujara smashed an attacking hundred, Rohit anf Gauti both could barely made to the team scored run a bal 50? It was a run fest pitch but to see that you need to come out of your bubble of denial.

If sour grapes of ex cricket to go by, I think Afridi needs to be investigated for match fixing accusation!!

 

[JattMaula]

Did you even watch a single match in this series, India stopped so low that Virat " Out of form " Kohli smashed a double, Rahane smashed 188, Sluggish Pujara smashed an attacking hundred, Rohit anf Gauti both could barely made to the team scored run a bal 50? It was a run fest pitch but to see that you need to come out of your bubble of denial.

If sour grapes of ex cricket to go by, I think Afridi needs to be investigated for match fixing accusation!!

Don't drag Lala into your petty arguments

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

couldn't agree more Bhaji.
Gone are the days where guile and patience brought one wickets in India. Today the pitch does all the dirty work which is disappointing .
I'll never forget the epic battle between you and Amla, it was a masterclass. Amla refused to budge, but in the end India prevailed with 9 balls to spare. It was a thriller, and the best match I've ever seen in those conditions.
It's a disgrace what India have stooped to. It would be interesting to hear from Kumble if he ever exchanged text and WhatsApp messages with curators at any point in his career.

All that is fine but first tell me why did SA get bundled out in Bangalore and Delhi in normal pitches where our spinners averaged 15 and your spinners averaged 60+ in those 2 pitches?

Then we will discuss NZ pitches.

 

[oneindia]

a Argument is fair

b Comparing a scenario, how opinion of Ex cricketer's sour grapes matters.

I see nothing wrong here, didnt blame Lala, i was pointing towards Miadad!!

 

[OS_89]

Anyone who thinks these pitches were rank turners is either flat out lying or being wilfully ignorant. In fact, even two of the pitches in the SA series were rather flat. People's opinion of India suddenly producing unplayable turners is overly associated with that one match at nagpur.

 

[abughio]

guys.. grapes may be sour..

but he is pointing to the fact.. if the dust is coming off the pitch on 2nd day. u cant call it a sporting pitch

 

[JattMaula]

a Argument is fair

b Comparing a scenario, how opinion of Ex cricketer's sour grapes matters.

I see nothing wrong here, didnt blame Lala, i was pointing towards Miadad!!

Being an elder I forgive you for bringing Lala in argument

 

[soso_killer]

All that is fine but first tell me why did SA get bundled out in Bangalore and Delhi in normal pitches where our spinners averaged 15 and your spinners averaged 60+ in those 2 pitches?

Then we will discuss NZ pitches.

Well that's easy, our spinners are useless but still came out looking like roses.
People want to took about Bangalore as if it was a completed Test match.
In Mohali India were 60/1 at one stage going nicely. Nothing to me suggests wickets wouldn't have fallen in a heap, anything to the contrary would be baseless speculation.
Only one pitch was decent at that, it was Delhi. But by then SA were so mentally handicapped they were playing demons and not the pitch. And who's to blame for that? The players?
Even then they fought magnificently well in the second innings, lasted over 140 overs. Not many teams do that in the 4th innings in India.
To even try and put a spin for those disgraceful pitches would be deplorable.
The bigger picture is the series averages for both teams, not a test and half.