Kyle Rittenhouse: US teenager cleared over Kenosha killings

[Technics 1210]

A US teenager who shot dead two men during racial justice protests has been cleared of homicide and all other counts after claiming self-defence.

Kyle Rittenhouse, 18, killed the men and wounded a third on the streets of Kenosha, Wisconsin, on 25 August 2020.

During the high profile and politically divisive trial, his defence said he had feared for his life. Prosecutors argued he was looking for trouble that night.

National Guard troops have been sent to the city amid fears of unrest.

Mr Rittenhouse faced five charges, including intentional homicide, which carries a mandatory life sentence.

His fate was decided by a 12-person jury composed of seven women and five men. They reached their verdict after more than three days of deliberations.

Mr Rittenhouse sobbed and was held by his lawyers as the verdict was announced.

Two nights before Mr Rittenhouse turned up in Kenosha, riots erupted on its streets after police shot Jacob Blake, a black man.

Mr Rittenhouse had travelled to the city from his home in Illinois and, armed with a semi-automatic rifle, he said he sought to help protect property from unrest.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59352228

National guard have been deployed in case of riots.

This verdict will not go too well.

 

[Finisher]

I'd be really surprised if the African/American dont start protests that turn into riots

 

[YousafTheBeast]

As a non American, imma grab ma popcorn and watch ya’ll aiming RPG’s at each other.

 

[LongHorn]

Only the last shooting could be justified as self defence as the guy had a gun

The first one was just a plain old execution at point blank range
Second one was some guy trying to disarm Kyle who had already murdered the first victim and got killed in the process

 

[DeadlyVenom]

No idea why this kid wanted to act macho and why his mother let him. It has signs of a highly dysfunctional upbringing...no mother should be driving their arm kid across statelines to 'defend' businesses and properties. Thats what the National Guard were looking to do.

He went out looking for trouble and he found it.

But looking into the case in detail and according to America's warped legal system/gun laws...the 'correct' decision was made.

Thank God I live in the UK.

 

[Giannis]

No idea why this kid wanted to act macho and why his mother let him. It has signs of a highly dysfunctional upbringing...no mother should be driving their arm kid across statelines to 'defend' businesses and properties. Thats what the National Guard were looking to do.

He went out looking for trouble and he found it.

But looking into the case in detail and according to America's warped legal system/gun laws...the 'correct' decision was made.

Thank God I live in the UK.

He's definitely one of those white who believe in a "racial holy war", he literally drove across statelines to "fight", that is crazy.

 

[Gilly]

He's definitely one of those white who believe in a "racial holy war", he literally drove across statelines to "fight", that is crazy.

MSNBC have done a good job with the propagander, They might be lousy with accuracy but they make up for that with brainwashing.

 

[Giannis]

MSNBC have done a good job with the propagander, They might be lousy with accuracy but they make up for that with brainwashing.

It's literally facts the fat crybaby killed 2 people, that's not even up for debate and crossing statelines to fight protestors is no form of "self-defense. That fatphuck shoulda stayed home but now he's crying like a little b cause he doesn't want to be held accountable for his actions. Lucky for him the jury was white so he reminded them of their sons and let him off the hook.

 

[Gilly]

It's literally facts the fat crybaby killed 2 people, that's not even up for debate and crossing statelines to fight protestors is no form of "self-defense. That fatphuck shoulda stayed home but now he's crying like a little b cause he doesn't want to be held accountable for his actions. Lucky for him the jury was white so he reminded them of their sons and let him off the hook.

You cant deal with facts.

Fact one: He is innocent as judged by his peers.

Fact two: Crossing state lines is not illegal, millions do it every day.

Fact three: It was self defense as proven in court.

These are just facts you have to deal with.

 

[Giannis]

You cant deal with facts.

Fact one: He is innocent as judged by his peers.

Fact two: Crossing state lines is not illegal, millions do it every day.

Fact three: It was self defense as proven in court.

These are just facts you have to deal with.

Nah you can't

Fact one: The justice system is flawed. they let Zimmerman and Casey Anthony off the hook when they were guilty

Fact two: It's not illegal but it's strange to travel far from your home just "defend" against protestors in a whole 'nother state, people don't even do that with fights happening a block a way so a 17-year-old just driving across statelines with weapons shows he had intentions to fight, he thought he was some kind of warrior, he was an aggressor

Fact three: The jury is rigged, change the defendants complexion and you'd get a totally different verdict

 

[MenInG]

US President Joe Biden has said he is "angry" after a teenager who shot dead two men during racial unrest last year in Wisconsin was cleared.

The president expressed dismay at the verdict in a written statement after earlier telling reporters he supported the jury's decision.

Kyle Rittenhouse, 18, sobbed as he was acquitted of all charges over the shooting in Kenosha on 25 August 2020.

There were low-key protests over the outcome in a trial that divided the US.

Mr Rittenhouse nearly collapsed with relief as he learned his fate on Friday from a jury of seven women and five men after three-and-a-half days of deliberations. His mother, Wendy, also wept.

The former police youth cadet was cleared of two counts of intentional homicide, one count of attempted homicide and two counts of recklessly endangering safety.

Mr Rittenhouse had acknowledged fatally shooting Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, and Anthony Huber, 26, and injuring Gaige Grosskreutz, 28, but maintained he did so in self-defence.

The defendant and the men he shot were all white, but the issue of race hung over the case because the shooting happened during civil disorder over perceived police brutality.

During last year's election campaign, Mr Biden tweeted a video that appeared to link Rittenhouse without any evidence to white supremacists.

On Friday outside the White House a reporter asked the Democratic president whether he stood by his past comments about the teenager.

Mr Biden replied: "I stand by what the jury has concluded. The jury system works and we have to abide by it."

He later released a statement saying: "While the verdict in Kenosha will leave many Americans feeling angry and concerned, myself included, we must acknowledge that the jury has spoken."

BBC

 

[Gilly]

Nah you can't

Fact one: The justice system is flawed. they let Zimmerman and Casey Anthony off the hook when they were guilty

Fact two: It's not illegal but it's strange to travel far from your home just "defend" against protestors in a whole 'nother state, people don't even do that with fights happening a block a way so a 17-year-old just driving across statelines with weapons shows he had intentions to fight, he thought he was some kind of warrior, he was an aggressor

Fact three: The jury is rigged, change the defendants complexion and you'd get a totally different verdict

See how you dont know the real facts, what you wrote is a outright lie.

He lived 2.7 miles from the state line and crossed it everyday to go to work 25 miles away in Kenosha where his dad lived.

As proven in court he did not cross state lines with a weapon, you are lying.

The jury is rigged, that is hilarious, change the defendants comp[lexion and you'd get a totally different verdict. OK lets do that and see if you are right.

Man acquitted of shooting at deputies in raid that led to death of girlfriend"]Man acquitted of shooting at deputies in raid that led to death of girlfriend

https://cbs12.com/news/local/man-ac...uties-in-raid-that-led-to-death-of-girlfriend

You are doing a worse job than Binger.

 

[Robert]

He should have been locked up for life with no possibility of parole.

 

[James]

How can he cross state lines with a weapon and intent like the Terminator and it be viewed as self defence? Ridiculous

 

[Robert]

How can he cross state lines with a weapon and intent like the Terminator and it be viewed as self defence? Ridiculous

Had he been black, the cops / Guard would have gunned him down where he stood.

 

[Technics 1210]

How can he cross state lines with a weapon and intent like the Terminator and it be viewed as self defence? Ridiculous

This is exactly what the prosecution asked him, the defence destroyed the prosecution by citing the 2nd amendment.

 

[LaLoco]

You cant deal with facts.

Fact one: He is innocent as judged by his peers.

Fact two: Crossing state lines is not illegal, millions do it every day.

Fact three: It was self defense as proven in court.

These are just facts you have to deal with.

Yea! If one were to look at from the preselect of law then legally he could use self defense to defend himself but let’s not kid your self, this is the US of A where race play a huge roll on who get shot by police and who gets away after murdering in similar fashion

 

[BreadPakoda]

Fair result imo. No sympathies for mob lynchers.

 

[Gilly]

How can he cross state lines with a weapon and intent like the Terminator and it be viewed as self defence? Ridiculous

MSNBC and other so called news outlets wanted you to believe he crossed state lines with a weapon.

There was a trial and you still dont know that he did not cross state lines with a weapon.

See how effective they are at making you believe something that is not true.

 

[Gilly]

Had he been black, the cops / Guard would have gunned him down where he stood.

Strawman argument from you now Robert, I thought you were older.

 

[Robert]

Strawman argument from you now Robert, I thought you were older.

But it’s nevertheless highlights the White privilege at work here, and I think you know it deep down.

Travelling miles to a site of civil unrest and shooting people isn’t self-defence, isn’t standing your ground. This kid should be in jail.

 

[BreadPakoda]

MSNBC and other so called news outlets wanted you to believe he crossed state lines with a weapon.

There was a trial and you still dont know that he did not cross state lines with a weapon.

See how effective they are at making you believe something that is not true.

Feelings > facts

 

[Gilly]

But it’s nevertheless highlights the White privilege at work here, and I think you know it deep down.

Travelling miles to a site of civil unrest and shooting people isn’t self-defence, isn’t standing your ground. This kid should be in jail.

His father, grandmother. uncles, aunties and siblings lived there also. His mother lives 2.7miles from the state line, he worked there, he socialized there, he spent most of his time there.

He travelled less than 30 miles which is half the distance that Gaige Grosskreutz travelled. Kenosha is Rittenhouse's home city where he is a lifeguard, its where he went to school, its where he volunteered with the firefighters, its where he lived.

This is what the owners of the car yard had to say about Rittenhouse.

Sahil and Anmol Khindri said they both encountered Rittenhouse and other armed men on August 25, 2020, the day of the shooting, but only briefly.
Anmol, who at the time was an inventory manager at the Car Source properties, recalled briefly chatting with Rittenhouse earlier in the day and giving the then-17-year-old his phone number.
Anmol said Rittenhouse, like many others that day, had expressed sorrow for the damage the properties had already sustained and interest in helping him fundraise for repairs.

Not to mention that Rittenhouse had provided medical aid to at least three rioters that night and Rosenbaum who had threatened to kill Rittenhouse was upset that Rittenhouse had used a fire extinguisher to put out a fire and removed a burning rubbish bin from the side of a building.

 

[Robert]

His father, grandmother. uncles, aunties and siblings lived there also. His mother lives 2.7miles from the state line, he worked there, he socialized there, he spent most of his time there.

He travelled less than 30 miles which is half the distance that Gaige Grosskreutz travelled. Kenosha is Rittenhouse's home city where he is a lifeguard, its where he went to school, its where he volunteered with the firefighters, its where he lived.

This is what the owners of the car yard had to say about Rittenhouse.



Not to mention that Rittenhouse had provided medical aid to at least three rioters that night and Rosenbaum who had threatened to kill Rittenhouse was upset that Rittenhouse had used a fire extinguisher to put out a fire and removed a burning rubbish bin from the side of a building.

So your summation is that he believed he was defending his family and neighbourhood?

It’s difficult to understand over here. When such civil unrest happened in the UK, people boarded up their windows and stayed inside. Anyone going outside with a weapon would be considered part of the problem and arrested.

 

[Gilly]

So your summation is that he believed he was defending his family and neighbourhood?

It’s difficult to understand over here. When such civil unrest happened in the UK, people boarded up their windows and stayed inside. Anyone going outside with a weapon would be considered part of the problem and arrested.

I actually believe he was protecting his neighborhood, I dont believe his intentions were sinister. The guy was scrubbing off graffiti the local high school and he did administer first aid to at least three protesters. There was no evidence presented to show he provoked any person at the protest.

We can only look at the evidence that was presented and he did nothing wrong and had every right to be where he was.

Rosenbaum as you know was suffering mental issues and not only threatened to kill several people but he chased after Rittenhouse angry that Rittenhouse had used a fire extinguisher to put out a fire then pushed a garbage bin off the road.

I'm only looking at the evidence that was presented in court, the media have got so much wrong with this story. If he broke the laws then he should be held accountable and the jury had the responsibility to judge his actions. If you scan youtube you will see most lawyers both left and right believe that this case should not have even gone to court.

Putting someone in jail to try and right a wrong from the past is not the way to go.

 

[Robert]

I actually believe he was protecting his neighborhood, I dont believe his intentions were sinister. The guy was scrubbing off graffiti the local high school and he did administer first aid to at least three protesters. There was no evidence presented to show he provoked any person at the protest.

We can only look at the evidence that was presented and he did nothing wrong and had every right to be where he was.

Rosenbaum as you know was suffering mental issues and not only threatened to kill several people but he chased after Rittenhouse angry that Rittenhouse had used a fire extinguisher to put out a fire then pushed a garbage bin off the road.

I'm only looking at the evidence that was presented in court, the media have got so much wrong with this story. If he broke the laws then he should be held accountable and the jury had the responsibility to judge his actions. If you scan youtube you will see most lawyers both left and right believe that this case should not have even gone to court.

Putting someone in jail to try and right a wrong from the past is not the way to go.

So at what point did he pick up the AR-15?

 

[Gilly]

So at what point did he pick up the AR-15?

He had the gun throughout the day, if you look he was photographed earlier in the day with the owners of the car yard and he had his gun at that point.

It is normal to open carry guns in the US, if you search on youtube for fisherman with a gun you will see a black person who goes fishing with a AR-15 and when the police come he tells them to go kick rocks and there is nothing they can do.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I actually believe he was protecting his neighborhood, I dont believe his intentions were sinister. The guy was scrubbing off graffiti the local high school and he did administer first aid to at least three protesters. There was no evidence presented to show he provoked any person at the protest.

We can only look at the evidence that was presented and he did nothing wrong and had every right to be where he was.

Rosenbaum as you know was suffering mental issues and not only threatened to kill several people but he chased after Rittenhouse angry that Rittenhouse had used a fire extinguisher to put out a fire then pushed a garbage bin off the road.

I'm only looking at the evidence that was presented in court, the media have got so much wrong with this story. If he broke the laws then he should be held accountable and the jury had the responsibility to judge his actions. If you scan youtube you will see most lawyers both left and right believe that this case should not have even gone to court.

Putting someone in jail to try and right a wrong from the past is not the way to go.

I agree with this post.

I just can't wrap my head around why a mother would drop a kid into the middle of a riot with an assault rife.

Many deaths could have been avoided if he had just let the national guard do their job.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Haven’t read through this thread so not sure if anyone’s mentioned it but, [MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION] are you aware that there’s a video of him beating up a women in the streets, days before the shooting? Does that sound like someone who’s trying to protect his neighbourhood?

 

[Gilly]

Haven’t read through this thread so not sure if anyone’s mentioned it but, [MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION] are you aware that there’s a video of him beating up a women in the streets, days before the shooting? Does that sound like someone who’s trying to protect his neighbourhood?

It makes no difference, there is no law that says that if you have punched a woman you cannot use self defense.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Fair result imo. No sympathies for mob lynchers.

I don't have much sympathy for mobs either but I would be disturbed if an ordinary citizen turned up with a gun and killed two of the protesters during the student riots of 2010.

That might be ok in India, but not over here in the UK.

 

[Gilly]

I don't have much sympathy for mobs either but I would be disturbed if an ordinary citizen turned up with a gun and killed two of the protesters during the student riots of 2010.

That might be ok in India, but not over here in the UK.

That is the logical answer, if no one has guns no one gets shot.

Unfortunately in America guns are a protected right.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That is the logical answer, if no one has guns no one gets shot.

Unfortunately in America guns are a protected right.

I'm surprised (not really) that you didn't pick up on the Indian fellow I quoted who expressed that he had no sympathy for mob lynchers. I mean were those people who this guy shot actually lynching anyone?

 

[YousafTheBeast]

It makes no difference, there is no law that says that if you have punched a woman you cannot use self defense.

So why the f*** are you bringing up him cleaning graffiti or doing first aid on people? What’s that got to do with self defence?

You’re trying to portray him as a good guy but irrespective of the shooting, no sane man would beat up a woman in the streets.

 

[Gilly]

So why the f*** are you bringing up him cleaning graffiti or doing first aid on people? What’s that got to do with self defence?

You’re trying to portray him as a good guy but irrespective of the shooting, no sane man would beat up a woman in the streets.

He did clean up graffiti and did administer first aid to the protesters so from that I think it shows his intent was not to hurt people.

If you think because he beat up a woman so that shows he had intent to kill people that night then thats your opinion.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

He did clean up graffiti and did administer first aid to the protesters so from that I think it shows his intent was not to hurt people.

If you think because he beat up a woman so that shows he had intent to kill people that night then thats your opinion.

If his intent was to not hurt people then he wouldn’t be punching women in the streets, it’s not that hard to understand.

I saw Bin Laden picking up litter in Abbotabad, so from that, I’m sure it wasn’t his intention to fly planes into the world trade centre.

 

[Gilly]

If his intent was to not hurt people then he wouldn’t be punching women in the streets, it’s not that hard to understand.

I saw Bin Laden picking up litter in Abbotabad, so from that, I’m sure it wasn’t his intention to fly planes into the world trade centre.

I dont think you know what intent means.

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/states-own-witnesses-laid-path-rittenhouse-acquittal-2021-11-19/

Richard McGinniss saw Kyle Rittenhouse gun down the first of three men he shot the night of Aug. 25, 2020, making him a critical witness for the prosecution at the trial of the U.S. teenager. However, his testimony may also have helped persuade the jury to acquit Rittenhouse on Friday.

McGinniss, a journalist, got emotional on the stand as he talked about trying to save the life of a man Rittenhouse had just shot four times with a semi-automatic rifle during racial justice protests in Kenosha, Wisconsin.

McGinniss described taking Joseph Rosenbaum to the hospital and his efforts to comfort him on the drive there even though the man was unresponsive. He promised to get a beer together once it was all over.

His testimony served two objectives for the prosecution: shining a light on the violence wreaked by Rittenhouse's weapon and the humanity of Rosenbaum, whose erratic behavior that night had become a major focal point for the defense.

But under cross-examination by Rittenhouse's defense counsel, the narrative began to shift.

McGinniss, a video director for the Daily Caller, a conservative media outlet, told defense attorney Mark Richards that Rosenbaum appeared "very angry" as he screamed an expletive and lunged for the barrel of the teen's gun.

Kenosha County Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger then began to question his own witness aggressively, suggesting McGinniss had engaged in "complete guesswork" in speculating as to Rosenbaum's intent.

The question hit a nerve.

"Well, he (Rosenbaum) said '**** you,' and then he reached for the weapon," McGinniss responded before bristling again at a question implying that he had offered a view on why Rosenbaum had lunged for the teenager's gun.

"When did I say that I gave a reason? I just said what he was trying to do," McGinniss said. "I will say that as many times as you want me to, but I have no clue why he was doing what he did, but I saw him go for the front portion of the weapon."

The exchange highlighted the challenge prosecutors faced throughout two weeks of testimony, with witness after witness offering evidence largely supporting the teenager's assertion that he only fired when he was attacked.

The jury on Friday acquitted the teenager on all charges including the killing of Rosenbaum, 36, and Anthony Huber, 26, and the wounding of Gaige Grosskreutz, 28. read more

The prosecution contended that Rittenhouse provoked Rosenbaum by raising his rifle and that the other two men he shot had been trying heroically to disarm an "active shooter" who posed a deadly threat to people around him.

The exchange between Binger and McGinniss was one of a handful of dramatic moments that legal experts said almost certainly stuck with the jury as they deliberated on Rittenhouse's fate.

Patrick Cafferty, a criminal defense attorney in Wisconsin, said McGinniss "got away" from Binger as a witness, coming across to the jury as traumatized from what he had experienced that night but never blaming Rittenhouse for it.

"He appeared to be oriented toward justifying what Rittenhouse did," Cafferty said. "I think he helped Rittenhouse more than he helped the state."

The Daily Caller did not respond to requests to make McGinniss available for an interview.

Prosecutors also struggled to put a serious dent in Rittenhouse's testimony when he took the stand in a risky legal maneuver to offer his account of what had happened that night.

Rittenhouse held firm that he had been in Kenosha to provide medical aid, had only used his weapon to protect himself and had not wanted to harm anyone that night.

Assistant District Attorney James Kraus acknowledged in court that the teen's testimony was problematic for the prosecution, saying a reasonable juror could believe Rittenhouse had not intended to kill anyone, a state of mind required by the three homicide charges lodged against him.

But even before Rittenhouse took the stand, another critical witness had already weakened the state's case, legal observers said.

Grosskreutz was viewed as a crucial witness for the state because he was the only person to have survived the shootings and could speak to the perceived threat he and others felt as they chased the teen down the street.

Under examination by prosecutors, Grosskreutz testified that he believed Rittenhouse needed to be stopped and he had never intended to use the handgun he was holding, only moving toward the teen because he thought Rittenhouse was preparing to fire.

Then defense attorney Corey Chirafisi elicited a major concession. Using still images of the seconds before Rittenhouse fired a bullet into Grosskreutz's arm, Chirafisi pressed the witness twice on what triggered the shot.

"When you were standing three to five feet from him with your arms up in the air, he never fired, right?" Chirafisi asked.

"Correct," Grosskreutz responded.

"It wasn't until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him, with your gun, now your hands down pointed at him, that he fired, right?" Chirafisi continued.

"Correct," Grosskreutz said.

Benjamin Van Severen, a defense attorney in Milwaukee, said it was an "Oh my goodness" moment for prosecutors, playing right into Rittenhouse's self-defense argument.

The prosecution was also hurt by Grosskreutz, a trained paramedic, testifying that he feared for Rittenhouse's safety when he saw a crowd chasing the teenager, yelling at him.

"Him being the paramedic in fear for (Rittenhouse's) safety," Van Severen said. "That's another one of those 'Oh crap' moments."

 

[Third_Umpire]

Unfortunately it is not illegal to carry a weapon in the US as this guy did, hence he walks away scot free.

At the same time, those that attacked him were mobsters including one who was a convicted child molester.

No sympathies for anyone involved in this case

 

[Zaz]

Theres too many white folks in usa that walk around with assault weapons shooting people particularly of the minority community and the law protects them

Its Disturbing Flawed Illogical and just plain wrong

 

[BreadPakoda]

I'm surprised (not really) that you didn't pick up on the Indian fellow I quoted who expressed that he had no sympathy for mob lynchers. I mean were those people who this guy shot actually lynching anyone?

A guy was hitting him with a skateboard, another had a gun pointed at him..

Unfortunately, you have little understanding of the situation sitting in Redbridge or Lahore following NBC..

 

[The_KING]

The right decision was made.

The BLM mob won't be happy with this decision and will probably start creating havoc again like they did last year.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

He's definitely one of those white who believe in a "racial holy war", he literally drove across statelines to "fight", that is crazy.

He lived right across the border, so the driving across statelines is an exaggeration the prosecution did.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

All the shootings were legit self-defense, however if he was not an armed vigilante and did not go there 2 people would not be dead. The laws should be changed that make it illegal to have guns outside your home.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

A guy was hitting him with a skateboard, another had a gun pointed at him..

Unfortunately, you have little understanding of the situation sitting in Redbridge or Lahore following NBC..

Look my Indian friend, I'm not sitting in Lahore or Redbridge. Neither am I driving to a riot scene with a gun so not much chance of me shooting anyone dead is there?

 

[Stewie]

Knew from the get go he won’t be found guilty. He would have been, though, if it was any other country in the world except the US.
We are too stubborn about the loose, ridiculous interpretation of the 2nd amendment here.

Funny thing is imagine a crowd of black or colored people with guns doing this, just reverse the situation and imagine how the world would have reacted. It’s all about self defense and 2nd amendment right now, but I bet the tone will change immediately of the shooter was a non white person.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

White people could carry an RPG at a protest and the law enforcements won’t feel threatened, but a black man with a water pistol will be shot dead by the police because they thought he was carrying an actual pistol.

I’m just surprised black people still haven’t taken up arms and started fighting back.

 

[Lego20]

Too bad the left cant outrage foul since the victims were white. Narrow outrage opportunity missed. Still can claim some foul by only emphasizing the selctive half story - white man absolved ofalleged crimes while not talking that the alleged victims were also white.

Enough of these appeasement politics by the left around the world.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Too bad the left cant outrage foul since the victims were white. Narrow outrage opportunity missed. Still can claim some foul by only emphasizing the selctive half story - white man absolved ofalleged crimes while not talking that the alleged victims were also white.

Enough of these appeasement politics by the left around the world.

Look my Indian friend, mob law is not the answer. You should know this from home experience. Or perhaps you think it is the answer?

 

[Stewie]

This isn’t a left right issue. This is plain and simple race related at heart. The second amendment is defended in the US by a certain section of whites because they are afraid/full of hate for minorities and think the minorities are out to get them or their money/property, and of course because they want an excuse to shoot them. This case symbolized the dynamic pretty well.

Racism is at the bottom of it all, disguised nicely by left/right political mumbo jumbo

 

[MenInG]

The teenager acquitted after killing two people and wounding a third at a racial justice protest in the US has claimed he is "not racist" and supports the Black Lives Matter movement.

Kyle Rittenhouse was speaking to Fox News following his acquittal on Friday which has led to a wave of protests over the American criminal justice system.

In his first interview since the trial, the 18-year-old told host Tucker Carlson: "This case has nothing to do with race, it never had anything to do with race. It had to do with the right to self-defence.

"I'm not a racist person, I support the BLM (Black Lives Matter) movement. I support peacefully demonstrating. I believe there needs to be change."

Rittenhouse was found not guilty of all charges over the August 2020 shootings in Kenosha, Wisconsin.

Why the Rittenhouse trial has divided the US

Anger has grown across the US following the verdict, with a protest involving around 200 people in Portland, Oregon, turning violent and then being declared a riot.

There were peaceful protests elsewhere, including in New York where crowds marched through the streets.

The teenager, the two men he killed and the man he wounded were all white, but the case has reignited the debate over racial justice, guns and vigilantism in the US.

Amnesty International said "the painful reality is that our country's criminal justice system - and our society - is predicated on white supremacy and anti-Black racism".

The organisation's US executive director, Paul O'Brien, added: "Allowing private individuals, in this case a teenager, to arm themselves and take to the streets with no accountability for their actions will only serve to embolden vigilantism and act as a force multiplier for future violent clashes."

Rittenhouse was acquitted on two counts of homicide, one count of attempted homicide, and two counts of recklessly endangering safety in the Kenosha racial justice protests.

He was aged 17 when he travelled to Kenosha and then walked the streets carrying a semi-automatic rifle.

Following the ruling, President Biden said he supported the jury's decision and urged people to react with calm.

SKY

 

[ahsan17]

This isn’t a left right issue. This is plain and simple race related at heart. The second amendment is defended in the US by a certain section of whites because they are afraid/full of hate for minorities and think the minorities are out to get them or their money/property, and of course because they want an excuse to shoot them. This case symbolized the dynamic pretty well.

Racism is at the bottom of it all, disguised nicely by left/right political mumbo jumbo

The interesting part I see here is that this guy went up to cops during the rally and they were OK with him being there with AR 15. If it was a black guy with an AR 15 at a MAGA rally, best case he would have been sent back home, worst case either shot dead or arrested, by cops.

 

[Gilly]

The interesting part I see here is that this guy went up to cops during the rally and they were OK with him being there with AR 15. If it was a black guy with an AR 15 at a MAGA rally, best case he would have been sent back home, worst case either shot dead or arrested, by cops.

 

[ahsan17]

Are they at a trump rally? That's where the confrontational situation can happen.

 

[MenInG]

A teenager who was cleared of murder during racial unrest in the US has said his case "has nothing to do with race".

"It had to do with the right to self-defence," Kyle Rittenhouse told Fox News, adding that he supported the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement.

Jurors cleared the 18-year-old of killing two men and wounding a third with a military rifle after accepting claims that he had feared for his life.

A patriot to some and a vigilante to others, his acquittal divided the US.

Much US media commentary of the case dwelled on race, although Mr Rittenhouse is white, as were all three men he shot.

"No black teenager who kills two people and leaves one seriously injured, would be treated, no matter what the law says about self-defence, like Rittenhouse. He would be dead", wrote Eddie S. Glaude Jr in the Washington Post.

CNN commentator Van Jones said the decision sends a message to black citizens that "there are two Americas".

Mr Rittenhouse told Fox News' Tucker Carlson Tonight programme that his case "never had anything to do with race".

He added: "I'm not a racist person. I support the BLM movement. I support peacefully demonstrating. I believe there needs to be change."

Mr Rittenhouse said the arsonists who razed businesses in Kenosha during last year's riots were "opportunists taking advantage of the BLM movement".

"I agree with the BLM movement, I agree everybody has the right to protest and assemble.

"But I do not agree that people have the right to burn down, I don't appreciate that people are burning down American cities to try to spread their message. I think there's other ways to go around and do that."

Mr Rittenhouse also said he thought "there's a lot of prosecutorial misconduct, not just in my case but in other cases.

"It's just amazing to see how much a prosecutor can take advantage of someone."

Armed with an AR-15 rifle, Mr Rittenhouse fatally shot Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, and Anthony Huber, 26, and wounded 27-year-old Gaige Grosskreutz, testifying that he opened fire in self-defence.

He had faced five charges, including intentional homicide.

Two nights before he turned up in Kenosha last year, saying he wanted to help protect businesses amid rioting, police had shot an armed black man, Jacob Blake, in the back, leaving him paralysed.

During last year's election campaign, US President Joe Biden tweeted a video that appeared to link Mr Rittenhouse, without any evidence, to white supremacists.

 

[Stewie]

I agree with this post.

I just can't wrap my head around why a mother would drop a kid into the middle of a riot with an assault rife.

Many deaths could have been avoided if he had just let the national guard do their job.

That’s the real issue. We all knew he won’t be found guilty because no law was broken. But imagine putting a minor with a gun in a situation where he would have to use it. I would never do that to my child (give him/her a gun and drop him off in a volatile situation). I think the guardian of this guy is the real culprit here.

 

[Stewie]

The interesting part I see here is that this guy went up to cops during the rally and they were OK with him being there with AR 15. If it was a black guy with an AR 15 at a MAGA rally, best case he would have been sent back home, worst case either shot dead or arrested, by cops.

There are a lot of things here that normal people would find uncomfortable, but not illegal. The fact the parents allowed it, the police were ok with it, that he sought out troubled individuals to antagonize, etc.

He will not have a happy life from now on, that’s for sure.

 

[LaLoco]

There are a lot of things here that normal people would find uncomfortable, but not illegal. The fact the parents allowed it, the police were ok with it, that he sought out troubled individuals to antagonize, etc.

He will not have a happy life from now on, that’s for sure.

Imagine if a black parent were to do that, you will hear at no end about how black people fail to parents their kids, father-less kid, blah blah but I guess everything become 'right' when done the same by the 'white'

 

[LaLoco]

Finally, about time.

And they are in group

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

That’s the real issue. We all knew he won’t be found guilty because no law was broken. But imagine putting a minor with a gun in a situation where he would have to use it. I would never do that to my child (give him/her a gun and drop him off in a volatile situation). I think the guardian of this guy is the real culprit here.

His mother did not drop him off. He lived like 20 minutes away, and he was already working in Kenosha as a lifeguard that day.

Also his mother was not ok with him owning a gun, however he bought one with his own money and asked his friend to keep it for him until he turned 18. His friend gave him the gun, he did not bring it from his mothers house.

That’s the real issue. We all knew he won’t be found guilty because no law was broken.

Yep. So the issue is being able to carry a gun publicly. No way would he or all the other vigilantes been there if they were not armed. So that's what got to change, being able to have a gun outside your home.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Good. This is the best way for their to be gun control. These people marching will make alot of white people very uncomfortable, and then some of the same people who oppose any gun regulation will be more open to it.

 

[Stewie]

His mother did not drop him off. He lived like 20 minutes away, and he was already working in Kenosha as a lifeguard that day.

Also his mother was not ok with him owning a gun, however he bought one with his own money and asked his friend to keep it for him until he turned 18. His friend gave him the gun, he did not bring it from his mothers house.



Yep. So the issue is being able to carry a gun publicly. No way would he or all the other vigilantes been there if they were not armed. So that's what got to change, being able to have a gun outside your home.

I did t mean she literally dropped him off, what I meant was as a minor, she still bears some responsibility (if not legal, moral and ethical st least) for his unsupervised actions. He is a minor for Pete’s sakes. The problem in my opinion is not open carry either. The problem is minors carrying around guns. You cannot buy alcohol in the US till you are 21, yet you can open carry guns? How much sense does that make?

His friend who bought the gun for him should definitely be charged. And rittenhouse should have been charged for a number of things ranging from buying a gun as a minor and then using it as a minor, but of course the laws around this are too ambiguous and purposefully so. So nothing will happen.

If he and his mother and friend get hit by a civil lawsuit, a decent lawyer would bury them, they will have to once again raise millions to settle those cases. But from what I understand both the deceased were economically messed up individuals and I doubt their decedents will be able to afford decent trial lawyers for a civil lawsuit.

 

[LaLoco]

Yea he didn’t break the law but if this is what the law allows then something needs to be done about the current law - because if the law allows for a kid to kill and him not getting convicted celebrated by the right wing, mostly white people, also right wing turned this into BLM vs White people then this is batshipyard crazy.

 

[Gilly]

Yea he didn’t break the law but if this is what the law allows then something needs to be done about the current law - because if the law allows for a kid to kill and him not getting convicted celebrated by the right wing, mostly white people, also right wing turned this into BLM vs White people then this is batshipyard crazy.

I wouldent call them all right wing, many left leaning people have also "celebrated" his acquittal. And they are "celebrating" his acquittal more so much as the justice system not bowing to the radical media reporting in the case.

Some of the things the media reported were just outright lies and misinformation, I think we can all agree on that. The media tried to influence the outcome and pushed the race angle to incite more hysteria. Both right and left are getting played by the media.

 

[Gilly]

To give some context to what I tried to explain the following is a left wing new source that You Tube have branded as a trusted news source.

Ana Kasparian, a cohost of the popular progressive online news show “The Young Turks,” admitted last week that she was “wrong” about Kyle Rittenhouse’s case and the story she has been telling her audience for over a year.

According to The Washington Post, in August 2020, When Jacob Blake, a Black 29-year-old man, was shot in the back by Rusten Sheskey, a White police officer, Kenosha erupted. The shooting went viral immediately, prompting peaceful protests during the day and bursts of property damage and destruction at night.

The shooting led to days of unrest in Kenosha. On Tuesday night, Aug. 25, 2020, two people were fatally shot and another injured. Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, has been charged in connection with the shootings.

Most people believe Kyle Rittenhouse “chased” Rosenbaum before shooting and killing him. But, in fact, Rosenbaum was the aggressor. That night, Rosenbaum was the one who chased after Rittenhouse, throwing objects at him and then lunging at him. Additionally, just seconds before Rittenhouse fatally shot Rosenbaum; a gun was fired by a third party.

“Initially I was under the assumption that Rittenhouse was the person who was chasing after Joseph Rosenbaum—that’s how it had started,” Kasparian said on her news show.

“I was wrong about that, okay, so I want to correct the record,” Kasparian added, “Look, these details matter, because if you’re going to make an argument that you acted in self-defense, there needs to be some proof that there was an imminent threat.”

“Now, what really mattered to me was how all of this unfolded,” she explained. “What was the thing that sparked it, what started all of it. And, initially, I was under the assumption that Rittenhouse was the person who was chasing after Joseph Rosenbaum—that’s how it started. But I was wrong about that.”

“I was in fact wrong about that, and to show you the evidence to reinforce that I was wrong about that, I want to go to this video.”

Kasparian then showed a video of an aggressive Rosenbaum yelling “shoot me,” before chasing after Rittenhouse. In his exclamations, Rosenbaum also uttered the N-word several times, which the video muted.

Rosenbaum is seen chasing Rittenhouse down a street and throwing a bag at him, which the video claimed contained things from his mental health treatment stay.

Before Rosenbaum caught up to Rittenhouse and lunged at him, a third person fired a shot into the air, then Rittenhouse fired at Rosenbaum.

“So, those details matter, right? Who was chasing who matters, the gunshots by some other unidentified person, that matters, especially if you’re Rittenhouse and you’re running away, and then you hear shots and then Rosenbaum lunges toward him,” Kasparian summed up after showing the timeline clip
https://thebl.com/us-news/i-want-to...s-wrong-about-kyle-rittenhouse-shootings.html

Just remember for one year this you tube trusted news source pushed these lies to millions of people.

It's foreign to me that people walk around with guns, It's the last thing I would want to happen where I live but the people that live where you can walk around with guns you are going to have these incidents happen and you have to deal with it.

 

[Lego20]

Dont know what people are outraging about. He possessed a gun legally and used only in self defence without any provocation infact only when felt theatened for his life. You could say he was the victim here who escaped violence. Why he was there, had a gun, talking to the police sounds similar to how rape victims are shamed and made to feel guilty.

An independent jury has absolved him. End of.

 

[Lego20]

Look my Indian friend, mob law is not the answer. You should know this from home experience. Or perhaps you think it is the answer?

Mobs have been mobilized by political ideologies everywhere. When one side starts, the other has no option but to atleast come out and defend.

 

[Robert]

Dont know what people are outraging about. He possessed a gun legally and used only in self defence without any provocation infact only when felt theatened for his life. You could say he was the victim here who escaped violence. Why he was there, had a gun, talking to the police sounds similar to how rape victims are shamed and made to feel guilty.

An independent jury has absolved him. End of.

Outrage is a verb now?

Firstly because had he been black and walked through the police line he would have been shot down. So this becomes a touchstone for race-based inequality in justice, which is what BLM is all about. It just adds fuel to the blaze.

Secondly because, while the verdict makes intellectual sense thanks to [MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION], it still feels morally wrong to a European.

 

[Gilly]

Outrage is a verb now?

Firstly because had he been black and walked through the police line he would have been shot down. So this becomes a touchstone for race-based inequality in justice, which is what BLM is all about. It just adds fuel to the blaze.

Secondly because, while the verdict makes intellectual sense thanks to [MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION], it still feels morally wrong to a European.

First of all that is just an assumption, secondly that is not Rittenhouse's fault, you can't hold him responsible for the actions of others.

 

[Robert]

First of all that is just an assumption, secondly that is not Rittenhouse's fault, you can't hold him responsible for the actions of others.

That’s an intellectual argument.

BLM is driven by emotional argument, by decades of fear and rage at inequality in justice provision. This verdict, while correct under law, feels like salt rubbed into wounds felt by huge numbers of people across the international Black diaspora.

 

[Gilly]

That’s an intellectual argument.

BLM is driven by emotional argument, by decades of fear and rage at inequality in justice provision. This verdict, while correct under law, feels like salt rubbed into wounds felt by huge numbers of people across the international Black diaspora.

That's the very emotion the media wanted to evoke, the people are not enraged like the media. This has nothing to do with race, Rosenbaum went completely off the rails and started a chain reaction that cost lives.

 

[Technics 1210]

Andrew "A.J." Coffee IV, with his defense lawyers Julia Graves and Adam Chrzan Nov. 19, 2021, reacts to a jury verdict acquitting him of second-degree felony murder and other felony charges during his trial at the Indian River County Courthouse.

VERO BEACH – A Gifford man who claimed he was defending himself and his girlfriend when he fired shots at deputies during an early-morning raid in 2017 was acquitted Friday of charges that carried a life prison term.

A jury found Andrew “A.J.” Coffee IV, 27, not guilty of second-degree felony murder, three counts of attempted first-degree murder of a law enforcement officer by discharging a firearm and one count of shooting or throwing a deadly missile.

https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/c...r-charge-2017-alteria-woods-death/8651720002/

He is African American, and was acquitted, of murder in self defence. The verdict was past on the 19th November too (same date as Kyle) but the media didn’t want you to know!

 

[Robert]

That's the very emotion the media wanted to evoke, the people are not enraged like the media. This has nothing to do with race, Rosenbaum went completely off the rails and started a chain reaction that cost lives.

You have zoomed in at the case only. Zoom back out and look at the effect on society. Even in the UK, anger is felt deeply in the Black community, mixed with a dreadful tiredness and resignation that racial equity in justice is not possible.

 

[Gilly]

You have zoomed in at the case only. Zoom back out and look at the effect on society. Even in the UK, anger is felt deeply in the Black community, mixed with a dreadful tiredness and resignation that racial equity in justice is not possible.

You need to zoom out a bit, this is not a racial incident, Rosenbaum was unwell and his anger started the whole episode. He was angered that Rittenhouse had used a fire extinguisher to put out a fire. Race had nothing to do with it, black people are not upset over this, the media is stocking the fires to create content.

 

[Technics 1210]

Andrew Coffee IV - African American - acquitted on murder charges. He claimed self defence and was acquitted on 19th Nov 2021.

He is black and acquitted.

This isn’t about race; this is about the 2nd amendment.

 

[Robert]

You need to zoom out a bit, this is not a racial incident, Rosenbaum was unwell and his anger started the whole episode. He was angered that Rittenhouse had used a fire extinguisher to put out a fire. Race had nothing to do with it, black people are not upset over this, the media is stocking the fires to create content.

If I zoom out any further I’ll be in orbit.

It’s perceived as racial.

Talk to more Black people. Every one that I know is furious.

 

[Gilly]

If I zoom out any further I’ll be in orbit.

It’s perceived as racial.

Talk to more Black people. Every one that I know is furious.

Black people in the UK are furious that the laws were followed in the US. Damn that's heavy.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

To give some context to what I tried to explain the following is a left wing new source that You Tube have branded as a trusted news source.



Just remember for one year this you tube trusted news source pushed these lies to millions of people.

It's foreign to me that people walk around with guns, It's the last thing I would want to happen where I live but the people that live where you can walk around with guns you are going to have these incidents happen and you have to deal with it.

At the very least we should be grateful that they acknowledged they were wrong, which in modern media is quite rare.

An open apology such as this will mean people will think twice before automatically believing them in the future and that can only be a good thing. Hopefully the media on both sides of the divide in America do the same going forward

 

[LaLoco]

I wouldent call them all right wing, many left leaning people have also "celebrated" his acquittal. And they are "celebrating" his acquittal more so much as the justice system not bowing to the radical media reporting in the case.

Some of the things the media reported were just outright lies and misinformation, I think we can all agree on that. The media tried to influence the outcome and pushed the race angle to incite more hysteria. Both right and left are getting played by the media.

Of course media, mainstream, YT or any form of media has become a "brain wash" and 'political' tool for either side of the aisle. But no matter how you look at this case, if this is the law, and can be applied in situation such as this, then law needs to change.

 

[Robert]

Black people in the UK are furious that the laws were followed in the US. Damn that's heavy.

All one diaspora.