Last win for Pakistan in Australia was in 1995!

[Salma_T]

I have been reading for days the doomsayers re the state of Pakistan cricket etc. The last time Pakistan won a match (not a series as they have only drawn back in the mid 60s) was in 1995, 24 years ago!

Have been super coaches and players have come and gone yet a series win in Australia never came. This team that arrived was probably the weakest I have seen and I am 42 years old yet the flack by arm chair critics is something else! Yes they are need to build but as a colleague who has no interest in cricket said wow Pakistan play cricket isn't that a war torn country (I think he got his stans mixed up) you are expecting world beaters from a country that has had no international cricket and raw talent can only get you so far.

Build for the future is Misbah the right guy who knows but you can't declare him a failure after Aus & Sri Lanka.

 

[Saj]

Well Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chairman Ramiz Raja has today said he would not "rest" till Pakistan does not become a world-class team and beats Australia at their home turf.

 

[mastimasti]

Well Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chairman Ramiz Raja has today said he would not "rest" till Pakistan does not become a world-class team and beats Australia at their home turf.

One can be a world class team and still not win in Australia. Ramiz is a great PR guy though

 

[Varun]

If Washington Sundar and T Natarajan can win a series in Australia, anyone (not named England or Bangladesh) can.

I back Pakistan to do well on their next tour down under.

 

[dravidthewall]

Sydney 2010 pakistan had great chance to win the test match. But kamran akmal drop catches cost them the match.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Australia has too many flaws. With proper execution, we can win there. We have good personnel and the team also now has good experience. Expecting at least 1-2 wins this time around. Babar, Shaheen, Rizwan are too good to not win in Australia.

 

[sweep_shot]

Sydney 2010 pakistan had great chance to win the test match. But kamran akmal drop catches cost them the match.

Yes.

Hobart 1999 too.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Australia has too many flaws. With proper execution, we can win there. We have good personnel and the team also now has good experience. Expecting at least 1-2 wins this time around. Babar, Shaheen, Rizwan are too good to not win in Australia.

Pakistan had better players than current lot, still everytime they were whitewashed. Same will happen again.

 

[Kaddy]

Pakistan needs the services of one man.......

 

[Buffet]

Forget about winning,

The last time Pakistan did not lose a test in Aus was in 1995. It's been a quarter-century.

Having said that, it may not be possible for Pakistan to draw due to poor batting, but it should be possible to win by taking 20 wickets cheaply. Once or twice, Pakistan came close so it is possible.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Cant see any team beating a full strength OZ in OZ right now, apart from India of course.

 

[Bewal Express]

Yes.

Hobart 1999 too.

An edge that was heard across the Tasman wasn't heard by the Umpire.

 

[Ami]

Aus and S Africa hard places to visit for Pakistan...not won a test series either in S Africa.
Over recent years, NZ has been added to that list...but, in England, we're OK..thanks for minor mercies.

 

[nextover666666]

Australia has always been Pakistan Boogie Team, they just cant seem to find a way to beat them. Would be Amazing if Pakistan can beat Australia in Australia for a test series, dont see it happening anytime soon

 

[Nasty Naz]

Pakistan doesn't ever fully prepare for Australian tours either. For England tours, they show up well in advance and getting plenty of time to get used to the conditions. In Australia, they're showing up like a week or so and getting absolutely dominated in every facet of the game.

Until they learn to play bounce, they won't be doing any winning in Australia. Bit odd how much our bowlers have struggled in Australia too -- it's understandable why the batting has been poor but it's confusing how bad the bowling has been there. Even in South Africa, they at least manage to put up a fight bowling wise.

Winning a Test series in Australia would honestly be a bigger accomplishment for this team than winning any WC.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

This is the dark mark left for Pakistan cricket. I won't take Pakistan seriously as a team until they can at least draw a test in Australia.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Pakistan struggle in Aus and SA the most in SENA. Which tells me they hate bounce. So till they can't learn how to tackle bounce, the chances of winning in Aus are pretty slim.

They have the bowling, they just need the batting to hold their own to win a test in Aus.

 

[Buffet]

Pakistan struggle in Aus and SA the most in SENA. Which tells me they hate bounce. So till they can't learn how to tackle bounce, the chances of winning in Aus are pretty slim.

They have the bowling, they just need the batting to hold their own to win a test in Aus.

I think last time or last to last time, Pakistan's batting was decent, but bowling was club level due to inexperience.

Decent bowling combined with decent batting may not be enough to win a series in Aus, but it may be enough to win one test. I won't expect Eng to win a series in India or Pakistan to win a series in Aus, but winning one test is not out of question. Eng actually did it last time in India.

 

[Markhor]

Pakistan struggle in Aus and SA the most in SENA. Which tells me they hate bounce. So till they can't learn how to tackle bounce, the chances of winning in Aus are pretty slim.

They have the bowling, they just need the batting to hold their own to win a test in Aus.

It's Pakistan's bowling that has repeatedly failed in Australia. Incredibly, we have the worst bowling average of all Test nations in Australia since 2000 after Bangladesh and Zimbabwe !

We produce lots of skiddy English style seamers that rely on swing through the air who get murdered in Australia as opposed to tall pacers who hit the pitch hard and bowl the slightly fuller length required Down Under.

The other problem is not having a spinner who can hold up one end to allow the rotation of pacers from the other. Instead our pacers bowl longer and longer spells, and their horrible fitness is exposed on those big Aussie grounds and hard surfaces.

In South Africa our bowlers fare better but our batters cannot handle the combination of bounce and seam. The two Tests where we've won are in the lower altitude venues in Port Elizabeth and Durban where the bounce is less pronounced.

Ramiz rightly identified the issue but has decided drop-ins are the solution when that money should be spent upskilling curators and on A tours.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Just wait for Warner and Smith to retire from Test cricket and our chances of getting a win in Aus will increase from 0% to 99%.

The only two guys that cause us problems.

 

[Savak]

That 1995 test win came in a dead rubber. Prior to that the 1976 test win also came in a dead rubber.

Pakistan has always been poor. Indians finally succeeded when they professionalized their set up and made ruthless preparations for these tours after numerous defeats

 

[Nasty Naz]

It's Pakistan's bowling that has repeatedly failed in Australia. Incredibly, we have the worst bowling average of all Test nations in Australia since 2000 after Bangladesh and Zimbabwe !

We produce lots of skiddy English style seamers that rely on swing through the air who get murdered in Australia as opposed to tall pacers who hit the pitch hard and bowl the slightly fuller length required Down Under.

The other problem is not having a spinner who can hold up one end to allow the rotation of pacers from the other. Instead our pacers bowl longer and longer spells, and their horrible fitness is exposed on those big Aussie grounds and hard surfaces.

In South Africa our bowlers fare better but our batters cannot handle the combination of bounce and seam. The two Tests where we've won are in the lower altitude venues in Port Elizabeth and Durban where the bounce is less pronounced.

Ramiz rightly identified the issue but has decided drop-ins are the solution when that money should be spent upskilling curators and on A tours.

I might be wrong but it also feels like because our bowlers generally try to go for stumps/LBW which is tougher to do in Australia unless you're bowling really full but doing so just becomes easy hit me deliveries because you're eliminating that bounce by bowling so full.

Definitely need tall bowlers who can consistently hit the proper line & length to trouble the Aussies and be patience enough to stick & trust the plan.

Next time, they will at least have Faheem to give them another pace allrounder to work with in the attack which should help.

Also, maybe finding a way to keep Warner from averaging a whopping 108.40 in 11 innings with 5 hundreds should help. Genuine question, is there anyone that has killed Pakistani bowling like he has across all formats?

 

[Savak]

Pakistan needs to study Bharat Arun's leg side bowling, leg side packed fielding tactics and implement them ruthlessly. If you take away the cut, pull, the Australian batsmen are easily neutered. Our bowlers need to do away with the blind approach of bowling on off stump, outside for the first hour and a half and then go striving for wickets and leaking runs in the later part of the innings. Attack the off middle stump and pack the leg side field, squeeze the runs and restrict the run rate to 1-2 per over and watch the Australian batsmen commit mistakes under pressure.

 

[Savak]

It's Pakistan's bowling that has repeatedly failed in Australia. Incredibly, we have the worst bowling average of all Test nations in Australia since 2000 after Bangladesh and Zimbabwe !

We produce lots of skiddy English style seamers that rely on swing through the air who get murdered in Australia as opposed to tall pacers who hit the pitch hard and bowl the slightly fuller length required Down Under.

The other problem is not having a spinner who can hold up one end to allow the rotation of pacers from the other. Instead our pacers bowl longer and longer spells, and their horrible fitness is exposed on those big Aussie grounds and hard surfaces.

In South Africa our bowlers fare better but our batters cannot handle the combination of bounce and seam. The two Tests where we've won are in the lower altitude venues in Port Elizabeth and Durban where the bounce is less pronounced.

Ramiz rightly identified the issue but has decided drop-ins are the solution when that money should be spent upskilling curators and on A tours.

Indians exposed the myth that you need pace and bounce to succeed in Australia. I suggest you watch Bharat Arun's tactics of bowling ruthlessly at the off middle stump of the Australian batsmen and packing the leg side field. The Australian batsmen had no idea what to do and got frustrated because they just got zero opportunities to play the cut, pull shot.

 

[shaz619]

Horrible record down under why are folk comparing Pakistan with England, is this a joke England have done much better down under and even won there this century

 

[Buffet]

Indians exposed the myth that you need pace and bounce to succeed in Australia. I suggest you watch Bharat Arun's tactics of bowling ruthlessly at the off middle stump of the Australian batsmen and packing the leg side field. The Australian batsmen had no idea what to do and got frustrated because they just got zero opportunities to play the cut, pull shot.

It is not a myth. Indians maintained very good speed in both series and moved the ball both ways. In Aus, you can't do much if you bowl 120s even with some movement. We are seeing Eng getting slaughtered here.

Bowling in the middle stump won't do anything if you have no movement and bowl at 120s.

 

[Buffet]

It's Pakistan's bowling that has repeatedly failed in Australia. Incredibly, we have the worst bowling average of all Test nations in Australia since 2000 after Bangladesh and Zimbabwe !

We produce lots of skiddy English style seamers that rely on swing through the air who get murdered in Australia as opposed to tall pacers who hit the pitch hard and bowl the slightly fuller length required Down Under.

The other problem is not having a spinner who can hold up one end to allow the rotation of pacers from the other. Instead our pacers bowl longer and longer spells, and their horrible fitness is exposed on those big Aussie grounds and hard surfaces.

In South Africa our bowlers fare better but our batters cannot handle the combination of bounce and seam. The two Tests where we've won are in the lower altitude venues in Port Elizabeth and Durban where the bounce is less pronounced.

Ramiz rightly identified the issue but has decided drop-ins are the solution when that money should be spent upskilling curators and on A tours.

That's the part many posters don't understand well.

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...pan;team_view=bowl;template=results;type=team

Pakistan's bowlers have averaged 53 runs per wicket since 1996. It's a bit hard to win a test with such bowling.

The batting record is not great, but it's not really as bad as bowling.

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...1996;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

 

[Saj]

One can be a world class team and still not win in Australia. Ramiz is a great PR guy though

It's a challenge that has been beyond our teams of the past. Only time will tell if the current group are good enough to achieve it.

 

[giri26]

The key for bowlers to be successful in SENA is to identify the right length's to bowl in each country. The biggest success of the Indian bowling attack has been that. If you look at how India bowled in 2015 tour of Australia and compare that to 2018 & 2021 you can see the planning that has gone in and how the same bowlers have evolved. Even in the 2018 tour of SA, Indian bowlers hit the right lengths and did brilliantly, it was the batters who performed poorly. The England tour of 2018 and 2021 again the Indian bowlers bowled on right lengths needed for those conditions.

This shows immaculate planning and execution. The coaching staff deserve all the credit along with the bowlers who have executed the plans brilliantly. India could have won more if only the batting had performed slightly better. Even in NZ if you see the bowling was very good in 2020, but the batting flopped big time. Even newbies like Siraj, Thakur, Sundar, everyone stuck to the plan and executed it against the Aussies.

Also the other major plus for India are the spinners. Ashwin, Jadeja, Sundar in Australia, Jadeja in England were brilliant. They don't leak runs and pick up crucial wickets. The biggest problem for Pakistan is not that Yasir Shah does not pick up wickets, it is that he leaks runs at a high economy rate when he doesn't. That is no help to the fast bowlers.

This is what Pakistan has to do, identify the length's to bowl in Australia soon, starting from the first Test and come up with the plan and stick to it no matter who plays in the series even if there are replacements. If Pakistan can do that they have a chance of troubling the Aussies and if their batters do slightly better than last time.

 

[muqarrab]

The key for bowlers to be successful in SENA is to identify the right length's to bowl in each country. The biggest success of the Indian bowling attack has been that. If you look at how India bowled in 2015 tour of Australia and compare that to 2018 & 2021 you can see the planning that has gone in and how the same bowlers have evolved. Even in the 2018 tour of SA, Indian bowlers hit the right lengths and did brilliantly, it was the batters who performed poorly. The England tour of 2018 and 2021 again the Indian bowlers bowled on right lengths needed for those conditions.

This shows immaculate planning and execution. The coaching staff deserve all the credit along with the bowlers who have executed the plans brilliantly. India could have won more if only the batting had performed slightly better. Even in NZ if you see the bowling was very good in 2020, but the batting flopped big time. Even newbies like Siraj, Thakur, Sundar, everyone stuck to the plan and executed it against the Aussies.

Also the other major plus for India are the spinners. Ashwin, Jadeja, Sundar in Australia, Jadeja in England were brilliant. They don't leak runs and pick up crucial wickets. The biggest problem for Pakistan is not that Yasir Shah does not pick up wickets, it is that he leaks runs at a high economy rate when he doesn't. That is no help to the fast bowlers.

This is what Pakistan has to do, identify the length's to bowl in Australia soon, starting from the first Test and come up with the plan and stick to it no matter who plays in the series even if there are replacements. If Pakistan can do that they have a chance of troubling the Aussies and if their batters do slightly better than last time.

Even Wasim and Waqr struggled to find the correct length down under. Shoaib got wickets through sheer pace.

 

[PakLFC]

We don't have the players to win in Aussie conditions. In bouncy conditions our batting struggles to reach 200.

 

[mastimasti]

It's a challenge that has been beyond our teams of the past. Only time will tell if the current group are good enough to achieve it.

If teams with absolute legends could not do it, I don't think the current squad is good enough...even with how badly faded Aus are now.

 

[mastimasti]

Even Wasim and Waqr struggled to find the correct length down under. Shoaib got wickets through sheer pace.

I don't think Abram ever truly struggled. He was absolutely brilliant in Australia, even picked up a 10-for. He was poorest in his last tour in 99 but by that point is was clearly on the slide of his career.

Waqar however could never get going, having said that he played very little test cricket in Aus, an odd quirk for a lot of Pakistani players at the time when it came to the test format.

 

[Kaddy]

Even Wasim and Waqr struggled to find the correct length down under. Shoaib got wickets through sheer pace.

Shoaib Akhtar averages 43.53 in Australia whereas Wasim Akram's average is 24.06 (almost half)

Actually Wasim was exceptional in Australia during his prime in 1990 and very good in 1995.

He failed in 99 Australian tour though, but he was diabetic and past his prime as a test bowler. After that tour he gave only two good performances as a bowler in test cricket.

 

[Markhor]

Indians exposed the myth that you need pace and bounce to succeed in Australia. I suggest you watch Bharat Arun's tactics of bowling ruthlessly at the off middle stump of the Australian batsmen and packing the leg side field. The Australian batsmen had no idea what to do and got frustrated because they just got zero opportunities to play the cut, pull shot.

Agree but unfortunately we've been poor historically at learning from the success of others. I read an interview today with Ravi Ashwin and the amount of preparation he does before each series was eye opening.

The mindset in Pakistan however especially from our ex-pro turned coaches has often been to rely on our natural skills and not worry about making tactical plans against opposition. And some are probably too proud to even think of learning from Indian example.

On our last tour in the First Test we didn't get our right arm pacers to bowl around the wicket to Warner despite Broad dismissing him for fun in the Ashes like that. On our England tour we kept bowling full to Chris Woakes despite the data (and everyone's eyes) showing a weakness against short ball. Any competent bowling coach should've identified these things.

That 1995 test win came in a dead rubber. Prior to that the 1976 test win also came in a dead rubber.

Pakistan has always been poor. Indians finally succeeded when they professionalized their set up and made ruthless preparations for these tours after numerous defeats

To be fair the 1976 win in Sydney was a live Test helping Pakistan draw the series. The hero worship of Imran Khan often overshadows the captaincy of Mushtaq Mohammad who's the only Pakistan captain to succeed in Australia.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Australia has always been Pakistan Boogie Team, they just cant seem to find a way to beat them. Would be Amazing if Pakistan can beat Australia in Australia for a test series, dont see it happening anytime soon

They started dominating us after 99'. Before that, we were pretty even with them home and away in both formats. The fall of Pakistan coincides directly with the rise of neighbors and that coincidentally happened in the 99' test series. Both of the sides were clobbered 3-0 by the Aussies, Pakistan's test series was really close except one test, India played catch-up for the entire series and was left with Laxman's innings as the tour highlight but after that, they built and went to win two test series and we continue to get clobbered 3-0, 2-0 etc.

Agree but unfortunately we've been poor historically at learning from the success of others. I read an interview today with Ravi Ashwin and the amount of preparation he does before each series was eye opening.

The mindset in Pakistan however especially from our ex-pro turned coaches has often been to rely on our natural skills and not worry about making tactical plans against opposition. And some are probably too proud to even think of learning from Indian example.

On our last tour in the First Test we didn't get our right arm pacers to bowl around the wicket to Warner despite Broad dismissing him for fun in the Ashes like that. On our England tour we kept bowling full to Chris Woakes despite the data (and everyone's eyes) showing a weakness against short ball. Any competent bowling coach should've identified these things.



To be fair the 1976 win in Sydney was a live Test helping Pakistan draw the series. The hero worship of Imran Khan often overshadows the captaincy of Mushtaq Mohammad who's the only Pakistan captain to succeed in Australia.

Pakistan in general as a country fails to create solutions to the problem that we create or face. There's a gap in all fields of life and we are keen to import intellect and technology instead of creating research-based solutions and expertise to solve our own problems that will help our society take the logical next step towards becoming a knowledge-based civilization.

It's the same lazy thought process that's making us import drop-in pitches instead of sending 20 Shaheen players every year to play in Australia on a player-swap deal with some local club. This same mindset is also stopping us from utilizing LUMS as the defacto sports university. We have a sports lab already established in LUMS, it would be nice to have a sports research department there as well where you can spend 12.5 Crore Rs. a year for three years and see if there's any output instead of spending 37 Crore on two pitches which offer no learning curve or expertise development.

On Ashwin, he is one of the most astute minds to ever grace a cricketing field. There's apparently no one who compares to his cricketing mind in the circuit right now and his eloquence adds to his overall personality. He is so brilliant that he clearly stands above some of the bonafide greats, for example, I've heard Warne over his various commentary stints and seen him coach sides as well but I don't find an equivalence there as well. The only rivals to Ashwin as cricketers who have great onfield and off-field skills are probably Sanga, Jaya, and Ponting.