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So, Test series coming up against Australia, New Zealand and then South Africa. No minnows, teams with ability and skill and teams who will present a tough challenge for Pakistan in the 5-day format.

Time to see what Pakistan are made of in Test cricket.
 
Yep fair point. We will see how much potential this test team has. I don't want to hear excuses about Misbah and Younis retiring that was 18 months ago . Other teams who have lost key players still win series at home. Not expecting much from the South Africa tour but the UAE series we should be winning.
 
Nathon Lyon's performance would decide the outcome of the series. If, our batsmen are able to manage to manage him and manage him well then Australia would hardly stand a chance but having said this it's not going to be easy. Lyon has almost transformed into a beast over the last couple of years and no longer the bowler who was torn apart by Misbah and company 4 years ago in UAE. He will be the biggest threat for us. I fear Shaun Marsh to have a good series as well with the bat.
 
Saj said:
So, Test series coming up against Australia, New Zealand and then South Africa. No minnows, teams with ability and skill and teams who will present a tough challenge for Pakistan in the 5-day format.

Time to see what Pakistan are made of in Test cricket.
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think the expectation in UAE is of very good results. The South Africa tour will be tough one and I just hope, if Hafeez does go there, he does better than last time
 
Pakistan lost to Sri Lanka! In UAE!

We're going to get manhandled BRUTALLY but delusional people can keep thinking otherwise. :sarf2
 
Not just a test for the 5 day team but also for LOI team with series against NZ, Australia (T20s only), away tours to South Africa and England just before the WC. This period of cricket will define Pakistan's chances going into the World Cup as well and give us a true indicator of where this team stands with the big teams.
 
The problem with the UAE Tests is that a lot depends on the toss. You win toss and bat first and you have won half the match. Misbah was very lucky with toss in UAE.
 
Abdul said:
Pakistan lost to Sri Lanka! In UAE!

We're going to get manhandled BRUTALLY but delusional people can keep thinking otherwise. :sarf2
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This is the concern.

Then a Test series of South Africa which could be brutal.
 
If the pitches in South Africa are anywhere close to what they were in the Indian series, we will be bowled out for sub-100 scores in pretty much every test.
 
MenInG said:
think the expectation in UAE is of very good results. The South Africa tour will be tough one and I just hope, if Hafeez does go there, he does better than last time
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Styen has stopped playing test cricket right?
 
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Hamad_H said:
Not just a test for the 5 day team but also for LOI team with series against NZ, Australia (T20s only), away tours to South Africa and England just before the WC. This period of cricket will define Pakistan's chances going into the World Cup as well and give us a true indicator of where this team stands with the big teams.
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Nothing (preparations) can define Pakistan's chances in any major tournament. If you disagree, please go back to 92' 09' and 17'.

If Pakistan is hot favorite we will end up losing most of the matches. As underdogs we always do well:)
 
Will be a very tough contest. For me if Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq click and Sarfraz plays a few handy knocks Pakistan will have a chance.
Not sure concerned about our bowling.
 
If Pak can contain Lyon, we should win against Aus as our spinners are good enough. I feel NZ will be more of a challenge than Aus because their spinners, as a group, are better than Aus.

No chance in SA. Weak batting lineup and no fast bowler who can support Abbas.
 
Usman Chadda said:
If the pitches in South Africa are anywhere close to what they were in the Indian series, we will be bowled out for sub-100 scores in pretty much every test.
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It could be a shambles against the likes of Rabada.

I can imagine a few Pak batsmen maybe looking to get 'injured' ahead of that series.
 
RehanG said:
Nothing (preparations) can define Pakistan's chances in any major tournament. If you disagree, please go back to 92' 09' and 17'.

If Pakistan is hot favorite we will end up losing most of the matches. As underdogs we always do well:)
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plus '88, '96 and '99
 
It's a proper test -even the UAE games.
Batters need to stand up to Lyon properly
Will be good to see the boys development
 
Australia and New Zealand in UAE is a good opportunity for us to bolster our test rankings as India has done recently.
 
Abdul said:
Pakistan lost to Sri Lanka! In UAE!

We're going to get manhandled BRUTALLY but delusional people can keep thinking otherwise. :sarf2
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Difficult to say. The same team drew in England.
 
Even if Lyon has a good tour I'm still confident that our spinners aided by reverse of wahab will be able to overpower Australia. New Zealand don't even stand a chance so no point discussing. South Africa can go either way. All in all, I believe we'll emerge well at the end of the three series.
 
Ozeirk said:
Australia and New Zealand in UAE is a good opportunity for us to bolster our test rankings as India has done recently.
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We also bolstered our rankings beating Lanka in Lanka 3-0 ,sad you couldn't do it in UAE.
 
Kiwis might do somewhat ok ,Aus don't think so PCT would win easy there.
 
JaDed said:
We also bolstered our rankings beating Lanka in Lanka 3-0 ,sad you couldn't do it in UAE.
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Indian fans have really squeezed the juice out the srilankan loss. I can’t count how many times an Indian has quoted that series on this forum Lol I think it’s time we move on for that. I can’t wait for another sri lanka series to settle this.
 
I have low hopes. This is a new test team so is rebuilding. I expect a few good results in the test championship but I think Australia will beat us and we will draw against NZ.
 
Bilal7 said:
Should win all three, InshAllah.
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Time to for accountability. Not hot air.

What if we lose? Nobody could imagine that we'll lose a home test in the UAE. We lost to SL!

And, we've been on a constant losing streak in ODIs too. New Zealand, India, even Bangladesh. Whitewashed actually! Against top 5 sides.

SO - what if we lose more? When will you stop supporting an inept captain and want something better? That will not fix everything, but you have to start from the authority.

Will you call for something better or not?
 
Hawkeye said:
Time to for accountability. Not hot air.

What if we lose? Nobody could imagine that we'll lose a home test in the UAE. We lost to SL!

And, we've been on a constant losing streak in ODIs too. New Zealand, India, even Bangladesh. Whitewashed actually! Against top 5 sides.

SO - what if we lose more? When will you stop supporting an inept captain and want something better? That will not fix everything, but you have to start from the authority.

Will you call for something better or not?
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Has changing the captain stopped the slide for Pakistan cricket in the past ten years? Has changing the coach stopped the slide for Pakistan cricket in the past ten years? Has changing the selection committee stopped the slide for Pakistan cricket in the ten past years?
 
Usman Chadda said:
Has changing the captain stopped the slide for Pakistan cricket in the past ten years? Has changing the coach stopped the slide for Pakistan cricket in the past ten years? Has changing the selection committee stopped the slide for Pakistan cricket in the ten past years?
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Has changing players stopped the slide for Pakistan cricket?

One can go on.

Fact is, you have to kick out non deserving players. The most non deserving is the captain himself. And he cannot inspire his team either.

For continuous losses and whitewashes, worst streak in our history, the non deserving captain needs a boot.

Then focus on other players who are not delivering.
 
I am pretty sure we will mess up 2 out of the 5 tests we're about to play in the UAE in the next few months. Either we're gonna get a draw/win or a win/loss from the Aus & NZ games. Winning both series is pretty difficult given our current cricketing stocks.
 
Ozeirk said:
Indian fans have really squeezed the juice out the srilankan loss. I can’t count how many times an Indian has quoted that series on this forum Lol I think it’s time we move on for that. I can’t wait for another sri lanka series to settle this.
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Well you were one the one who mentioned India in this thread bub, be ready to get replies in that case.
 
lyon starc holland can play big part.
Their batting is too weak without smith and warner, but you never know.
Pak is heavily dependent on yasir, if he is out of form, pak is in big trouble.
 
My advise would be get out of uae -outdated 90s pitches & open with Sharjeel & Fakhar. With pitches with some pace & bounce these 2 thrive on bouncy pitches.
 
I am quite wary of NZ. Australia are minnows in Asia, NZ are not. In lady 2 T20s, Australia gave away good positions. NZ would have batted entirely differently. I think they will win one of test or LOI series. Only Abbas gives me hope.

Also funny no mention of Abbas in the thread above. How we all underestimated him.
 
Made of nothing this lot.

Mentally weak, can't handle pressure and have no patience. In addition low skill levels with the bat.
 
Saj said:
Made of nothing this lot.

Mentally weak, can't handle pressure and have no patience. In addition low skill levels with the bat.
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Questions should be asked of Grant Flower now. I believe he has over stayed his welcome
 
Saj said:
Made of nothing this lot.

Mentally weak, can't handle pressure and have no patience. In addition low skill levels with the bat.
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We are a low ranked test side so might as well replace all failing senior players and use new players. Time to go forward, indeed current skill set of batsmen is low.
 
Amjid Javed said:
We are a low ranked test side so might as well replace all failing senior players and use new players. Time to go forward, indeed current skill set of batsmen is low.
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Some of the players we have might be the best we have got. I don't see others being any better.
 
Made of some pretty soft stuff this lot aren't they.

Spineless and clueless batting once again.
 
Saj said:
Made of some pretty soft stuff this lot aren't they.

Spineless and clueless batting once again.
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It will be even worse in South Africa most likely will see sub 100 scores on a few occasions I expect..
 
*sigh I'm not so sure if I'm looking forward to the SA series now...
 
Pakistan have been doing this for years nothing that people should be shocked or surprised about.

UAE now has become a graveyard of sorts for our players as they just aren't challenged enough.
 
Savak said:
Some of the players we have might be the best we have got. I don't see others being any better.
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Better to atleast try new players out, whats point recycling same garbage.
 
ikky47 said:
It will be even worse in South Africa most likely will see sub 100 scores on a few occasions I expect..
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Expecting some sub 100 totals, possibly sub 50 totals as well. Hope the bowling clicks to save grace.
 
Madplayer said:
Expecting some sub 100 totals, possibly sub 50 totals as well. Hope the bowling clicks to save grace.
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We were a poor batting side even with YK/Misbah/Inzi/Yousuf.

We just weren't this bad
 
Saj said:
Made of some pretty soft stuff this lot aren't they.

Spineless and clueless batting once again.
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It has a bit to do with poor leadership as well.
Sarfraz's defeatist mindset is not helping these softies.
His pathetic body-language does affect players
 
Ahmed216 said:
It has a bit to do with poor leadership as well.
Sarfraz's defeatist mindset is not helping these softies.
His pathetic body-language does affect players
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Absolutely, he has to take a large portion of the blame.

His batting was awful and his leadership was clueless for large parts of this series.
 
Sponges not steel slow batting in the first innings was costly this time should've scored over 400 a bigger lead and more pressure on New Zealand.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Better to atleast try new players out, whats point recycling same garbage.
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Oh lord. To test cricket...

Babar is new
Haris is new
Imam is new
Abbas is new
Hasan is new
Bilal is new
Shaheen is new

In the back up possible replacements fakhar is new..other new ones are so new nobody has seen them other than in t20’s which isn’t the correct format to introduce newness into test cricket.

How much more newness do you want...let them get to about 10-15 tests then if the they are still not performing throw them out. These boys come from a very suspect domestic structure they don’t know how to play long innings plus they are living out of a suitcase for the best part of a year. The media is always at their throat as are explayers and others pushing the case for their favourites. They need to play freely and enjoy their game.

The Australia series we won, the New Zealand series was at times very close could have gone either way. We were not abject except for when we were...then actually we were. But pressure and too much newness also go hand in hand.
 
We haven't improved as a test side. We have gotten worse. No specialist spinner to support Yasir , opening pair is unsettled, fear of batting with intent against pace,and struggles against spin in the last innings.

We need a lot of changes in players and mindset.
 
And thrashed in South Africa 3-0 after the New Zealand debacle.

A lot has been learnt in the last few series about the current crop of Pakistani Test cricketers.
 
Saj said:
And thrashed in South Africa 3-0 after the New Zealand debacle.

A lot has been learnt in the last few series about the current crop of Pakistani Test cricketers.
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how do you think domestic performers would have fared?

i think they would have put up more of a fight

in the end it comes to down to the think tank, which doesn't think
 
They might have even lost or drawn the series to Aus, if both Smith and Warner were available.

Pak are below average, both home and away - shocking!!
 
Abdullah said:
It's a proper test -even the UAE games.
Batters need to stand up to Lyon properly
Will be good to see the boys development
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I was right.
We will get it right at home very soon.
Playing away I see potential with the 5 man attack.
Seniors holding us back!
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
I am pretty sure we will mess up 2 out of the 5 tests we're about to play in the UAE in the next few months. Either we're gonna get a draw/win or a win/loss from the Aus & NZ games. Winning both series is pretty difficult given our current cricketing stocks.
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pretty close I must say.......
 
Away defeats are to be expected but fact we arent even competative in defeat is shameful.

Add to that we have lost to SL and NZ at in UAE shows we are on par with WI and Bangladesh now as a test side.
 
Once the minnow bashing came to an end and this team was properly tested, the true strength of the team was exposed.

Okay you can argue we would likely have won the 3rd ODI vs NZ had rain not played spoiler, but we should have won the 1st ODI had it not been for shambolic batting and captaincy from Sarfraz.

Meanwhile, the Test series against NZ and SA have been a debacle. In the two most important formats huge questions remain.
 
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NZ series was a shocker. SA series was sort of expected. Focus is on ODIs now. Pakistan will be fully tested and battle hardened in the next few months. SA and Eng beckon
 
Markhor said:
Once the minnow bashing came to an end and this team was properly tested, the true strength of the team was exposed.

Okay you can argue we would likely have won the 3rd ODI vs NZ had rain not played spoiler, but we should have won the 1st ODI had it not been for shambolic batting and captaincy from Sarfraz.

Meanwhile, the Test series against NZ and SA have been a debacle. In the two most important formats huge questions remain.
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With every defeat, the most common complaint is Shambolic Captaincy, it is clear that the guy inspite of captaining the U-19 team, domestic team, PSL team and now the national team in the last 12-13 years is just not going to improve.

Doesn't the selectors and PCB chairman have enough evidence to make that call? They want to carry on continuing with a failing formula. England just prior to the ODI WC 2015 changed their ODI captain but Pakistan carried on with Misbah's mediocrity under the pretext of stability and continuity.
 
If I were to answer this question literally, I'd say they are made of plexiglass. Broken. But not shattered.
 
I think people underestimate how important mental strength is to be a successful cricketer and that is why I hold batsmen such as Inzamam, YK, Misbah and Miandad in high regard - they quite often made runs in Test cricket when the team really needed them to.

Sadly of the current crop, it's a case of when the going gets tough, they go missing.
 
Saj said:
I think people underestimate how important mental strength is to be a successful cricketer and that is why I hold batsmen such as Inzamam, YK, Misbah and Miandad in high regard - they quite often made runs in Test cricket when the team really needed them to.

Sadly of the current crop, it's a case of when the going gets tough, they go missing.
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Please, It is an insult to put Misbah's name when talking about mentally tough cricketers, he went missing as often as the present players when the team needed runs from him.
 
Savak said:
Please, It is an insult to put Misbah's name when talking about mentally tough cricketers, he went missing as often as the present players when the team needed runs from him.
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Give me Misbah over ANY of our current batsmen in Test cricket.
 
Vs Australia (expected to beat them 2-0, gotta give credit to Khawaja so 1-0 suffices).
Vs New Zealand (choke jobs of the highest order, made Ajaz look like Herath and Somerville look like Murali).
Vs SA (expected 3-0 but batting overall let us down big time, absolutely pathetic).

What is Pakistan made of? Marsh-mellows, feathers, cotton balls, make your pick..
 
Savak said:
Please, It is an insult to put Misbah's name when talking about mentally tough cricketers, he went missing as often as the present players when the team needed runs from him.
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lol get over mohali already

shafiq, younis, umar, afridi, razzaq, hafeez were the main culprits of mohali
 
Saj said:
Give me Misbah over ANY of our current batsmen in Test cricket.
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Lol, on what grounds, this is what Misbah did on the 2013 tour

12, 64, 0, 44, 10, 5

Sarfaraz more or less has the same numbers and people are calling for his head. Misbah would have made no difference to the present team as a batsman alone.
 
Chokli said:
lol get over mohali already

shafiq, younis, umar, afridi, razzaq, hafeez were the main culprits of mohali
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Not even talking about Mohali although that match perfectly exposes how mentally tough Misbah was
 
Chokli said:
yup scored a 50 when everyone else failed
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He contributing to everyone's dismissal with his blockathan useless 50, story of his career. No wonder Dhoni was imploring the bowlers and fielders not to get him out
 
Savak said:
He contributing to everyone's dismissal with his blockathan useless 50, story of his career. No wonder Dhoni was imploring the bowlers and fielders not to get him out
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yeah now blame misbah for the rest of the batters not being able to hold their bat.

if anyone of shafiq, younis, hafeez, akmal, afridi, razzaq, helped misbah we would have won
 
Savak said:
Lol, on what grounds, this is what Misbah did on the 2013 tour

12, 64, 0, 44, 10, 5

Sarfaraz more or less has the same numbers and people are calling for his head. Misbah would have made no difference to the present team as a batsman alone.
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So you just picked out one tour.

The point that people are making is that the current crop have lots of work ahead of them to reach the levels of Misbah and Younis Khan.
 
Chokli said:
yeah now blame misbah for the rest of the batters not being able to hold their bat.

if anyone of shafiq, younis, hafeez, akmal, afridi, razzaq, helped misbah we would have won
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Blame Misbah for the Brexit mess too.
 
Shandarchowka said:
Even if Lyon has a good tour I'm still confident that our spinners aided by reverse of wahab will be able to overpower Australia. New Zealand don't even stand a chance so no point discussing. South Africa can go either way. All in all, I believe we'll emerge well at the end of the three series.
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Another case where u overestimated your mediocre side :vk2
 
Chokli said:
yeah now blame misbah for the rest of the batters not being able to hold their bat.

if anyone of shafiq, younis, hafeez, akmal, afridi, razzaq, helped misbah we would have won
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Misbah & Younis both are to be blamed for that loss
Hafeez,Kamran,Shafiq played decent knocks
Match was in control
Then both uncles did tuktuk
After YK got out,Umar brought Pak in the match but Misbah continued batting with SR under 50
He did increase his SR later on but it was too late
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Misbah & Younis both are to be blamed for that loss
Hafeez,Kamran,Shafiq played decent knocks
Match was in control
Then both uncles did tuktuk
After YK got out,Umar brought Pak in the match but Misbah continued batting with SR under 50
He did increase his SR later on but it was too late
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decent knocks isn't good enough.

you have the only batsman scoring a 50 and he's the one to blame?

yk messed up the chase big time 13(32) is criminal for a senior player.

hafeez/akmal/shafiq/afridi/razzaq... if they all chipped in and helped misbah he would have taken you over the line.

misbah can't do everything on his own, it's not t20s where he nearly won it on his own
 
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