Let's spread the power of positivity

[Technics 1210]

Laughing at people who didn't think Pakistan was capable of beating certain teams, or think Pakistan didn't deserve to win or qualify.

Positivity is not about abandoning your team, positivity is about supporting your team through and through - optimism.

 

[shockbound]

Spare a moment to thank Wahab Riaz. Keeping flaws aside, that guy did his best to keep us sailing in 2011 (5fer against India), 2015 (Fiery 2 wickets spell against Aus) and 2019 WC (All round performance with broken finger) yet failed.

No amount of positivity will get us to the semis . We all want change to Pakistan cricket. The first thing we need to do is accept that we weren't good enough to make the semis of the WC rather than make excuses. How will you ever change if you just blame others for your own failures? Mamoon is also right. We do need to move on from the 92 win. West Indies, Australia, and India do not go on about their triumphs like Pakistan do.

We should want to be one of the favourites for the WC rather than be a team people fear due to unpredictably. I have said before I want to be the team other teams are scared of because of our quality, not because of unpredictability.

Posters may cause this wrist slitting, but at the end of the day all your positivity has gotten us nowhere. We do need to make changes from top to bottom if you want an improvement in Pakistan cricket.

If you are a conspiracy boy, you can say that it was scripted that way. Else, its more luck than anything else. Everything where we needed luck went wrong. Yes our team and setup are bad, but we did fine otherwise.

 

[Hasan123]

Spare a moment to thank Wahab Riaz. Keeping flaws aside, that guy did his best to keep us sailing in 2011 (5fer against India), 2015 (Fiery 2 wickets spell against Aus) and 2019 WC (All round performance with broken finger) yet failed.



If you are a conspiracy boy, you can say that it was scripted that way. Else, its more luck than anything else. Everything where we needed luck went wrong. Yes our team and setup are bad, but we did fine otherwise.

If you mean luck as in relying on others team to help us get through, we shouldn't be relying on that.

We are in the position we are in due to losing inside 35 overs against West Indies and messing up against Australia.

 

[gazza619]

Spare a moment to thank Wahab Riaz. Keeping flaws aside, that guy did his best to keep us sailing in 2011 (5fer against India), 2015 (Fiery 2 wickets spell against Aus) and 2019 WC (All round performance with broken finger) yet failed.



If you are a conspiracy boy, you can say that it was scripted that way. Else, its more luck than anything else. Everything where we needed luck went wrong. Yes our team and setup are bad, but we did fine otherwise.

True, i loved his spirit. Actually he wont be a bad shout for future captaincy whilst Babar matures...

 

[Technics 1210]

You can believe what you want, but I have said time and time again that I consider Imran the cricketer and Imran the politician two distinct individuals. I have nothing but respect for him as a cricketer.

However, what he did with the 1992 team is not a blueprint for success. We have been trying to replicate that World Cup for decades and have failed with flying colours. That World Cup win created the culture of unpredictability and cornered tigers mentality that has prevented Pakistan from becoming a consistent, professional outfit. I really wish we had won the 1987 World Cup instead and made it the defining moment of Pakistan cricket, because it could have ushered an era of professionalism and consistency.

Why do you lie so much? If you have no respect for Imran the politician, why did you vote for him? If you have respect for Imran the cricketer, why do you blame him for the losing streak in WC vs India?

Not only this, seeing as you never did follow 1992 WC, 1992 world cup was not the blueprint at all. You seem to have forgotten (there's a surprise) that Pakistan reached the 1999 final by being consistent, and still lost! There goes your consistency, ranking, streak argument as well.

The fact is someone filled with hate and pessimism, can never be positive. So save your excuses!

By the way, The cornered tiger speech is mentioned to motivate players, just like a few dull colours on a canvas motivate you.

 

[Stark]

... I have nothing but respect for him as a cricketer.

... I really wish we had won the 1987 World Cup instead and made it the defining moment of Pakistan cricket, because it could have ushered an era of professionalism and consistency.

IK, as great a cricketer he was, really should have denounced the lack of professional touch in the team a few weeks after letting the nation bask and gloat in the victory of 92 WC. His call for a more mature/professional attitude while still being fresh from the victory could have done a lot.

2) Why do you say that pak should have won the 87 for the sake of ushering in a sea change in pakistan cricket + team's setup?

 

[Mamoon]

Why do you say that pak should have won the 87 for the sake of ushering in a sea change in pakistan cricket + team's setup?

Pakistan entered the 1987 World Cup as a heavy favourites, and played professional and clinical cricket before unfortunately stumbling in the semi-final. That is the consistent, solid cricket that Pakistan needs to play to become one of the elite teams in the world.

Unfortunately, we ended up winning the 1992 World Cup where we played pathetic cricket and got saved by rain before we raised our game in the semi-final and final. It was certainly glorious moment for Pakistan cricket, but unfortunately its long-term impact has been quite negative. It has turned Pakistan cricket into a circus - we go into every World Cup trying to replicate 1992. We don't understand how success is achieved and what it takes to form a winning mentality, and we hope for miracles, magic and cornered tiger moments to bail us out over and over again.

What India did in 1983 was a bigger cornered tigers moment than Pakistan's 1992. Beating that West Indies team twice including in the final was the stuff of gods. However, India have not spend the last 30 years trying to replicate the magic of 1983. As great a moment it was for Indian cricket, BCCI knew that it was not a blueprint for success.

Instead, they focused on professionalising cricket and changing the mentality of Indian cricket, and the consistency of Team India in this millennium is the outcome. The players are mentally strong and full of confidence, they know how consistency is achieved and what it takes to perform at the highest level. Had BCCI rested on its laurels hoping to replicate 1983 and allowing the game to decay, India today would be just like Pakistan, and this is the lesson PCB needs to learn from BCCI.

After India, Pakistan has the biggest talent pool and the biggest market for the game. The potential of growth should be tremendous and anything below top 3 in all formats should be unacceptable considering the resources and the passion we have for cricket.

 

[Mamoon]

Why do you lie so much? If you have no respect for Imran the politician, why did you vote for him? If you have respect for Imran the cricketer, why do you blame him for the losing streak in WC vs India?

Not only this, seeing as you never did follow 1992 WC, 1992 world cup was not the blueprint at all. You seem to have forgotten (there's a surprise) that Pakistan reached the 1999 final by being consistent, and still lost! There goes your consistency, ranking, streak argument as well.

The fact is someone filled with hate and pessimism, can never be positive. So save your excuses!

By the way, The cornered tiger speech is mentioned to motivate players, just like a few dull colours on a canvas motivate you.

I am not here to talk about why I voted for Imran Khan. This is the cricket forum, not Time Pass. Secondly, I have great respect for Imran Khan - he is Pakistan's finest all-rounder and finest captain of all time, and a legend of the game without any doubt. I just don't think he is the GOAT Asian captain or the GOAT all-rounder and the GOAT at everything like most Pakistani supporters think, and if you think that is disrespectful, so be it. Furthermore, losing to India in the 1992 World Cup is a stain on his legacy.

It laid the foundation of the streak that has haunted us for decades and that was a weak Indian side that only won 1 game apart from beating Pakistan.

Secondly, 1992 was not the blueprint for success at all, but sadly we have still made it the yardstick. That is why we make comparisons with 1992 every time we go into a World Cup. We need to understand that serious, professional teams do not win World Cups like we did in 1992, and that is why if we keep trying to replicate it, we will continue to be disappointed like we are now.

1999? If you think Pakistan played "consistent" cricket, you have no idea. Pakistan lost three consecutive matches to Bangladesh, South Africa and India. In most World Cups, losing three consecutive matches will more often than not seal your fate, but we survived because it was a forgiving format.

Finally, you cannot motivate third class players with cornered tigers speeches. Meeting Imran Khan wearing white shalwar kameez and listening to his cornered tigers speech didn't motivate our mediocrities to perform like a top team in this World Cup. That is Pakistan's problem - we are high on romanticism and low on professionalism. We focus too much on dramaybaazi because we cannot play good, consistent cricket.

I will let your feeble attempt to diss art slide because you are highly ignorant.

 

[Technics 1210]

I am not here to talk about why I voted for Imran Khan. This is the cricket forum, not Time Pass. Secondly, I have great respect for Imran Khan - he is Pakistan's finest all-rounder and finest captain of all time, and a legend of the game without any doubt. I just don't think he is the GOAT Asian captain or the GOAT all-rounder and the GOAT at everything like most Pakistani supporters think, and if you think that is disrespectful, so be it. Furthermore, losing to India in the 1992 World Cup is a stain on his legacy.

It laid the foundation of the streak that has haunted us for decades and that was a weak Indian side that only won 1 game apart from beating Pakistan.

Secondly, 1992 was not the blueprint for success at all, but sadly we have still made it the yardstick. That is why we make comparisons with 1992 every time we go into a World Cup. We need to understand that serious, professional teams do not win World Cups like we did in 1992, and that is why if we keep trying to replicate it, we will continue to be disappointed like we are now.

1999? If you think Pakistan played "consistent" cricket, you have no idea. Pakistan lost three consecutive matches to Bangladesh, South Africa and India. In most World Cups, losing three consecutive matches will more often than not seal your fate, but we survived because it was a forgiving format.

Finally, you cannot motivate third class players with cornered tigers speeches. Meeting Imran Khan wearing white shalwar kameez and listening to his cornered tigers speech didn't motivate our mediocrities to perform like a top team in this World Cup. That is Pakistan's problem - we are high on romanticism and low on professionalism. We focus too much on dramaybaazi because we cannot play good, consistent cricket.

I will let your feeble attempt to diss art slide because you are highly ignorant.

Sealed with a kiss.

I was referring to 1999 WC, where Pakistan was consistent and did not follow the blueprint of the 1992 WC. As for your vote for IK, it was merely to demonstrate your hypocrisy, once again.

But carry on with your scented posts.

And save the "this is Cricket forum" excuse, you are the first to spew hatred from Timepass to this Cricket forum. Nice try though.

 

[Snatch]

We can still spread the power of positivity towards India and especially the GOAT King Kohli!

Go India, do it for the sub-continent!

 

[Mamoon]

Sealed with a kiss.

I was referring to 1999 WC, where Pakistan was consistent and did not follow the blueprint of the 1992 WC. As for your vote for IK, it was merely to demonstrate your hypocrisy, once again.

But carry on with your scented posts.

And save the "this is Cricket forum" excuse, you are the first to spew hatred from Timepass to this Cricket forum. Nice try though.

Yes you were referring to the 1999 World Cup and so was I, and that is why I educated you that Pakistan did not exactly leave the world in awe with their consistency. A team that loses 3 consecutive matches in a World Cup cannot be deemed consistent.

 

[hadi123]

I hope Pakistan can finish off well tomorrow. Probably won't be going to the game as I'm too broke and don't want to waste money on a dead rubber, otherwise I would still go.

 

[Saj]

I think Pakistan have been about par in this tournament.

Even the most die-hard fans could not have expected winning this tournament given the way Pakistan had been playing in ODIs prior to the World Cup.

 

[muradbaksh]

I really believe a fast bowler as captain will do wonders for us. Bowling traditionally has always been our strength and a fast aggressive bowler like Wahab leading the team would be ideal. It will also relieve our fragile batting line up. We could utilise Wahab as captain for the ODI and T20 team for a year and see how it goes.

 

[muradbaksh]

I think Pakistan have been about par in this tournament.

Even the most die-hard fans could not have expected winning this tournament given the way Pakistan had been playing in ODIs prior to the World Cup.

What is upsetting is despite all the advantage we had in preparing for this tournament, we could not make it to the semis. Looking back at the West Indies defeat, its just painful. Ideally I was hoping the Pakistan team reached the semi final at least. I am bitterly dissapointed, but at the same time optimistic we can build a very strong ODI unit. Winning the last 4 games, actually is an achievement.

 

[Stark]

Pakistan entered the 1987 World Cup as a heavy favourites...

Ah that explains it.
Another well written and facts based response (as expected) from your side.

It is true that India beating WI twice and then lifting the WC 83 makes up not just for sweet memory, but also saves the achievement from too many doubts. (The Windies team was very strong and India played good cricket to defeat them)

The 92 WC win after so much of luck and now that the tables have turned in WC'19, the same proponents of the former victory are seen casting ghastly aspersions on other teams for current scenario. The irony and reality could not have been more clearer.

You missed out on responding to IK's lack of foresight. Him acknowledging shortcomings in 92 itself would have certainly taken pak cricket to global standards I think. Maybe he found it pretty ok scenario that they won the trophy?

Interestingly, you have also claimed about the talent pool in pakistan, but we still see the likes of hafeez and malik still occupying spots when clearly they are past their sell by date. Even aamir is included after him being a convicted fixer. All these people occupying places in the team do not point towards pakistani team having a talent pool to the tune of them being spoilt for choices? (excluding junaid was pretty ridiculous imo)

 

[AdamM97]

I am not here to talk about why I voted for Imran Khan. This is the cricket forum, not Time Pass. Secondly, I have great respect for Imran Khan - he is Pakistan's finest all-rounder and finest captain of all time, and a legend of the game without any doubt. I just don't think he is the GOAT Asian captain or the GOAT all-rounder and the GOAT at everything like most Pakistani supporters think, and if you think that is disrespectful, so be it. Furthermore, losing to India in the 1992 World Cup is a stain on his legacy.

It laid the foundation of the streak that has haunted us for decades and that was a weak Indian side that only won 1 game apart from beating Pakistan.

Secondly, 1992 was not the blueprint for success at all, but sadly we have still made it the yardstick. That is why we make comparisons with 1992 every time we go into a World Cup. We need to understand that serious, professional teams do not win World Cups like we did in 1992, and that is why if we keep trying to replicate it, we will continue to be disappointed like we are now.

1999? If you think Pakistan played "consistent" cricket, you have no idea. Pakistan lost three consecutive matches to Bangladesh, South Africa and India. In most World Cups, losing three consecutive matches will more often than not seal your fate, but we survived because it was a forgiving format.

Finally, you cannot motivate third class players with cornered tigers speeches. Meeting Imran Khan wearing white shalwar kameez and listening to his cornered tigers speech didn't motivate our mediocrities to perform like a top team in this World Cup. That is Pakistan's problem - we are high on romanticism and low on professionalism. We focus too much on dramaybaazi because we cannot play good, consistent cricket.

I will let your feeble attempt to diss art slide because you are highly ignorant.

Yeah. In this modern era of professionalism and discipline, romanticizing about being cornered tigers won’t work. There’s no shortcuts to success.

I hope Wasim Khan and the rest of PCB get their act together and make some important reforms and build a world class team. That is the only way Pakistan can win the WC.

 

[uak92]

Pakistan needed a miracle to win their 9th match in 1992. It was the making of Inzimam Ul Haq that day. Who do you think would be the Inzimam of 2019? InshaAllah the dream will continue.

 

[Snatch]

I think Pakistan have been about par in this tournament.

Even the most die-hard fans could not have expected winning this tournament given the way Pakistan had been playing in ODIs prior to the World Cup.

Exactly, well said. Although it won't stop the usual deluded mob always thinking they're the best regardless.