License to thrill would be a great idea, but that is not how we play!

[MenInG]

Listening to Azhar Ali in the media interaction, it seems that Pakistan want to be like the other guys and go out with guns blazing but can that reduce us to 20/6!?

I liked Bangladesh approach today - slow and then catch up later - better from our point of view.

 

[Syed1]

Well in hindsight the BD approach didn't quite work for them since they were easily 30-40 runs short.

In this tournament it seems every team has to aim for 330-350 atleast to be in with a chance. With Azhar Ali and Ahmed Shehzad that seems unlikely.

 

[Square Drive]

300 isn't necessarily a winning score, despite having a bowling attack as good as ours.

That's not how we play, but that's how we'll have to play.

 

[Savak]

Listening to Azhar Ali in the media interaction, it seems that Pakistan want to be like the other guys and go out with guns blazing but can that reduce us to 20/6!?

I liked Bangladesh approach today - slow and then catch up later - better from our point of view.

Not at all but it depends. If it is swinging and seaming, then treat each ball on its merits but put the bad ball away. If you have your eye in, if you are timing the ball well then go for the kill.

 

[Hasan123]

Bangladesh approach was rubbish and ultimately cost them the game.

I'm not saying we need blast every ball, but there needs to be an intent to score. We should be looking to rotate the strike when we can't get boundaries.

 

[ExpressPacer]

I liked the Bangladesh approach too but if we go by that, we're going to end up having the same result as they did. And we don't certainly want that. The best bet Pakistan have is by batting the opposition out of the game because we're playing these matches on literal roads. Gone are the days when Pakistan could defend a low total. The pitches offers absolutely nothing. Whatever the weather, however old the pitch, however old the ball, whatever condition be it, the bowlers will have no assistance and Pakistan will surely, surely lose the match.

Therefore, we need to bat the opponents out of the game and the only way to do that is by going all guns blazing right from the start, even if it comes with a potential risk of a collapse. I would rather give myself a slight chance of winning the game while also the possibility of a humiliating finish instead of a respectable defeat with no chance of winning the game.

 

[MenInG]

Well in hindsight the BD approach didn't quite work for them since they were easily 30-40 runs short.

In this tournament it seems every team has to aim for 330-350 atleast to be in with a chance. With Azhar Ali and Ahmed Shehzad that seems unlikely.

There issue is bowling.

 

[msb314]

Listening to Azhar Ali in the media interaction, it seems that Pakistan want to be like the other guys and go out with guns blazing but can that reduce us to 20/6!?

I liked Bangladesh approach today - slow and then catch up later - better from our point of view.

Well in hindsight the BD approach didn't quite work for them since they were easily 30-40 runs short.

In this tournament it seems every team has to aim for 330-350 atleast to be in with a chance. With Azhar Ali and Ahmed Shehzad that seems unlikely.

The only chance we have is if we bowl first and let India in to bat.

Take wickets with the new ball, set defensive fields and contain runs at the death - hopefully we will be looking at a sub-320 target.

Our deep batting lineup can hopefully make it competitive.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

IMO 330 is a par score at this tournament.

We will struggle to get 280 so we are far behind.

 

[LordEddardStark]

Though 300 shall not be a par score in this tournament but you need to play your strength to win the match, which is and always has been bowling. I still therefore believe that if Pakistan has to bat first, a somewhat cautious approach in start would be better than all guns blazing. Remember, India's new ball attack is much better than England's and Azhar seeing first 10 overs of new ball off would be a lot better. But then again 30/0 after 10 over as Bangladesh managed today is still rubbish.

IMO Pakistan has to manage
45-50/0 after 10
110/1 after 20
175/2 after 30
240/4 after 40
320/7 after 50

Remember its middle overs that matter most nowadays, not some flashy start. Plus I still believe if Bangla had more wicket takers than they had, they could have disrupted the chase.

 

[WC-Passion]

If we can make 310 we have a decent chance of defending it against SA and SL if there is some assistance from the pitch.

 

[superman]

If we made what bangladesh made today we would have won but our batting is as bad as bangladeshs bowling

 

[jnaveen1980]

would Pakistan take 300 before the match? Most definitely yes.

 

[JibranAnsari]

azhars all go blazing will harly mean an SR of 80.

 

[Syed1]

Pakistan is going to surprise all of you and smash 400.

 

[Markhor]

Pakistan at the bare minimum need to go 5.5 RPO for the first 40 overs. That'll give you 220. Then aim to add another 85-90 in the last ten.

I just don't see the firepower in this team though. Batting first we lack the big hitters required to set challenging totals.

We're better off chasing as the maths is done for you.

 

[Kianig89]

We have develop our ownnstrategy for winning games u can't win consistently by mimicking others

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

It all depends on what Hafeez and Shehzad can do. Their track record doesn't fill me with confidence and will probably see a repeat what they have always done.

I just find it so irritating they can never perform in this match every damn time.

 

[OmaIR1]

We have been doing that for years with very minimal success.

Play it slow aka "tuk, tuk", conserve wickets and then try and catch up later. It almost never works and we crumble under pressure.

However, it is inevitable and that's more than likely the approach we'll see on Sunday.

Sadly, Pakistan never learn.

 

[Syed1]

Something tells me Shehzad is not going to be his tuk tuk self. He will try to smash it around. Whether he is successful or not remains to be seen. He does have the capability to rip apart any bowler.

 

[dauntless]

Need to score at least 300 hoping for a Babar special he needs to score a good hundred with strike rate of 100 and need some good hands of shoaib and sarfaz too

 

[Syed1]

Hope Babar announces his arrival with a spectacular 80-100. A player of his caliber should be too much for a team like India. If he gets out early it will only be due to lack of concentration or a silly mistake.

 

[MRSN]

Because that is not how we can play. Azhar just speaking the truth.

 

[Hamza_]

Poor thread. It's indirectly saying we play a losers game.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Not every pitch is 350 pitch. In England even slight overcast condition can reduce par score to 250. This one size fits all approch will fail invariably

 

[Barragan]

Eng used to play like us, but they got dumped on by BD in the WC and they changed their whole attitude towards batting. Today, they are favs to win the CT and are a very powerful, fearsome batting unit.

I can only hope, Pak also go through a same transition.

 

[MMHS]

Bangladesh approach was rubbish and ultimately cost them the game.

I'm not saying we need blast every ball, but there needs to be an intent to score. We should be looking to rotate the strike when we can't get boundaries.

We lost for bowling, not for batting - look what Kiwis did to Aussies today with similar target. Batting strategy was absolutely perfect from top 4 - we couldn't finish it because of losing both set batsmen at wrong time, something Kiwi's repeated today.

Don't get flashed away by tide, when you can check yourself -

BD Scores -

After 5 Overs: 14/0 - 14/0
After 10: 36/0 - 22/0
After 15: 78/1 - 42/1
After 20: 97/2 - 19/1
After 25: 125/2 - 28/0
After 30: 159/2 - 34/0
After 35: 184/2 - 25/0
After 40: 223/2 - 39/0
After 45: 262/4 - 39/2
After 50: 305/6 - 43/2

Till 45th over, it was absolutely perfectly constructed & paced innings - initial 5 overs to see through the new ball; after that, two times it slowed down when 2 wickets were down, otherwise pacing was quite good. The error was team selection - which was a double killer - it forced Miraj dropped & it put Sabbir at 6 - coming at 56/1 in 11th over, Sabbir won't have allowed Moeen to get away with those 4/5 tight overs (that's responsible for that 19/1) he enjoyed against 2 lefties. And, obviously, we don't have any Russel, Butler, Maxi or MS to come at 5/6, otherwise those last 2 blocks could have been 50/2 & 60/2.

I told you, even after that famous 84 - batting is not an issue, respectively never was, never likely to be. BCB & it's coaches at NCA are working with few robust kids who can bowl & hit through the line, so that from 6 to 8, we have 2/3 such all-rounders - in 2/3 years time, you'll be surprised with BD batting.

 

[Hasan123]

We lost for bowling, not for batting - look what Kiwis did to Aussies today with similar target. Batting strategy was absolutely perfect from top 4 - we couldn't finish it because of losing both set batsmen at wrong time, something Kiwi's repeated today.

Don't get flashed away by tide, when you can check yourself -

BD Scores -

After 5 Overs: 14/0 - 14/0
After 10: 36/0 - 22/0
After 15: 78/1 - 42/1
After 20: 97/2 - 19/1
After 25: 125/2 - 28/0
After 30: 159/2 - 34/0
After 35: 184/2 - 25/0
After 40: 223/2 - 39/0
After 45: 262/4 - 39/2
After 50: 305/6 - 43/2

Till 45th over, it was absolutely perfectly constructed & paced innings - initial 5 overs to see through the new ball; after that, two times it slowed down when 2 wickets were down, otherwise pacing was quite good. The error was team selection - which was a double killer - it forced Miraj dropped & it put Sabbir at 6 - coming at 56/1 in 11th over, Sabbir won't have allowed Moeen to get away with those 4/5 tight overs (that's responsible for that 19/1) he enjoyed against 2 lefties. And, obviously, we don't have any Russel, Butler, Maxi or MS to come at 5/6, otherwise those last 2 blocks could have been 50/2 & 60/2.

I told you, even after that famous 84 - batting is not an issue, respectively never was, never likely to be. BCB & it's coaches at NCA are working with few robust kids who can bowl & hit through the line, so that from 6 to 8, we have 2/3 such all-rounders - in 2/3 years time, you'll be surprised with BD batting.

Sabir should have been promoted than. Yes team selection was wrong but Tahim was set there was no need for him to keep playing at such a slow pace, he should have looked to accelerate earlier.

Look at how Kane was trying to accelerate today. Tahim has the shot range as well.

 

[Muhammad10]

License to induce sleep is our ODI team's motto.

 

[MenInG]

South Africa 10/0 (3.0 ov)

Not 30 in 3!

 

[Hamza_]

South Africa 10/0 (3.0 ov)

Not 30 in 3!

Better to post after both teams have played. This wicket might be difficult to bat or SA doing miserably.