Long term effect of personal milestones

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There was a lot of debate on whether Kohli should have declared with Nair on 250-260 odd to get 10-15 more overs. I totally understand the viewpoint of putting team before personal records, but I was on the side of letting him score the 300, since he was scoring at a very fast rate, and I think this will be either an easy win for India or England will just block to 200-3 for a tame draw. So extra 10 overs dont matter. Last possibility is England makes 220-8, which will make this declaration look really bad.

But even with that last possibility, will that be so bad? The declaration delayed because a player was about to make only 3rd 300 ever by an Indian. The second Indian ever to make a 300. The series already won 3-0. If declaration was delayed if an established player like Pujara or Kohli was getting to a 100, which they have done 15 times already, then I can understand the frustration.

Consider the long term effect of this knock. It will boost a young player's morale to new heights. He is in record books forever. He can truly ride on this achievement and play crucial knocks overseas with that extra bit of a confidence and aura. Yes, it could be a double edge sword, where he could be buried under high expectations, but I choose to look at the positives.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I get Kohli and team management's viewpoint.

But it was funny to see the rationalization hamster in full flow for so many people on the internet who were trying to justify it as a logical move for our victory.

If India wins tomorrow, we will see confirmation bias in full flow.

 

[JaDed]

It could also act as a "complacency" situation for him in the future.Also its about crossing the line which is what should be in the DNA of the team.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

There was a lot of debate on whether Kohli should have declared with Nair on 250-260 odd to get 10-15 more overs. I totally understand the viewpoint of putting team before personal records, but I was on the side of letting him score the 300, since he was scoring at a very fast rate, and I think this will be either an easy win for India or England will just block to 200-3 for a tame draw. So extra 10 overs dont matter. Last possibility is England makes 220-8, which will make this declaration look really bad.

But even with that last possibility, will that be so bad? The declaration delayed because a player was about to make only 3rd 300 ever by an Indian. The second Indian ever to make a 300. The series already won 3-0. If declaration was delayed if an established player like Pujara or Kohli was getting to a 100, which they have done 15 times already, then I can understand the frustration.

Consider the long term effect of this knock. It will boost a young player's morale to new heights. He is in record books forever. He can truly ride on this achievement and play crucial knocks overseas with that extra bit of a confidence and aura. Yes, it could be a double edge sword, where he could be buried under high expectations, but I choose to look at the positives.

People hated on Dhoni for not going for the win in the last test in the tour of WI in 2011. Even that decision had somewhat of a decent reasoning like this one.

They said it revealed a wrong mindset and set a bad precedent.

But the same courtesy isn't being extended to Kohli.

That's not fair.

Right or wrong...whoever does it...same yardsticks must apply.

Kohli is likely to be a legendary captain but this is NOT a decision of one. The larger picture is LARGER than Nair's 300. Moreover, when he was on 250, we had a lead of over 200.

 

[Metron]

I get Kohli and team management's viewpoint.

But it was funny to see the rationalization hamster in full flow for so many people on the internet who were trying to justify it as a logical move for our victory.

If India wins tomorrow, we will see confirmation bias in full flow.

Nobody will care that India wins 3-0 or 4-0, but a triple hundred will be remembered!
Even if a draw it is worth it!

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Nobody will care that India wins 3-0 or 4-0, but a triple hundred will be remembered!
Even if a draw it is worth it!

Exactly what I am talking about mate.

This is the same that was said when Lara got to 400. Nobody would care if WI won the test or not after losing the series.

Right or wrong depends on each person's perspective.

But what it reveals is an underlying mindset.

What makes some captains truly legendary and visionary?

Its the fact that they have guts to do stuff that others won't. This decision honestly didn't need major guts too.

In my opinion, a 4-0 win will be more sweeter than Nair getting to 300 as opposed to 250.

A 250 in a win would be remembered MORE than a 300 in a draw (not saying this test is a draw but you get my point).

 

[Metron]

Exactly what I am talking about mate.

This is the same that was said when Lara got to 400. Nobody would care if WI won the test or not after losing the series.

Right or wrong depends on each person's perspective.

But what it reveals is an underlying mindset.

What makes some captains truly legendary and visionary?

Its the fact that they have guts to do stuff that others won't. This decision honestly didn't need major guts too.

In my opinion, a 4-0 win will be more sweeter than Nair getting to 300 as opposed to 250.

A 250 in a win would be remembered MORE than a 300 in a draw (not saying this test is a draw but you get my point).

Lara's 400 was utterly selfish because he did it to get his record back within a few months of being broken.
He batted 2.5 days to get to his record without caring about any chance of win! It was purely for the record!
and Lara was the Captain, it was his own selfish decision!

Here Kohli allowed a young player to achieve an epic milestone. What did Lara have to prove other than satisfying his own personal lust to have the record!

BTW do you remember KL Rahul hit a 199 in this innings!! Just a point to note. People forget missed milestones

 

[The_Odd_One]

The series has been already won. 3-0 or 4-0 does not make much difference. But the 300 has been written in the history books.

Also, a full day should be sufficient to dismiss the English team. If somehow, they survive, an extra 10-15 overs won't do much unless England is 8-9 wickets down before the close the play.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Lara's 400 was utterly selfish because he did it to get his record back within a few months of being broken.
He batted 2.5 days to get to his record without caring about any chance of win! It was purely for the record!
and Lara was the Captain, it was his own selfish decision!

Here Kohli allowed a young player to achieve an epic milestone. What did Lara have to prove other than satisfying his own personal lust to have the record!

BTW do you remember KL Rahul hit a 199 in this innings!! Just a point to note. People forget missed milestones

Rahul's wasn't talked about much cos some other guy got 300.

Even if he had scored 200 it would have been talked about the same cos Nair got so much more.

Sanga scored 192 in Hobart and its still talked about. He didn't need those extra 8 runs to prove the supreme greatness of his knock.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Imran Khan declared when Miandad was batting on 270 and went on to win the game, I think. The difference between a good captain and a great captain.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Imran Khan declared when Miandad was batting on 270 and went on to win the game, I think. The difference between a good captain and a great captain.

Should have allowed Miandad to score another 20 runs. It was first inning of the match and India was awful on that tour.

 

[Metron]

Imran Khan declared when Miandad was batting on 270 and went on to win the game, I think. The difference between a good captain and a great captain.

and what good did that do for Pakistan. Created animosity between 2 legends that haunted them for their entire career! I think that declaration was rather vindictive.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I felt Tendulkar should have been allowed to get to 200.

There was a lot of false narrative surrounding that incident. Tendu was truly wronged then.

 

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About Miandad's 280, I really dont know the context.

About Nair's innings - 1) he was scoring at strike rate of almost 200 after crossing 250. So it was okay for Kohli to let him continue batting for another 3-4 overs, 2) series was already won, 3) A triple hundred for a newcomer is a totally different realm than a 100 or even a 200 for an established player like Tendulkar or Miandad. He would have been only the second ever Indian to get to 300.

About Tendulkar's 194, he was not exactly accelerating to 200 from what I recall, he almost played out a maiden in his 190s. And it was not like Tendulkar had not made a 200 before (or would never get a chance to do so in future). Also, it was FIRST match of the series, and India was chasing their FIRST EVER test win in Pakistan. Pakistan had not batted yet, so Dravid had no idea how much time it will take to get 20 wickets. With all these factors, I could understand if he would have got impatient and declared when he did!

 

[Thivagar]

I felt Tendulkar should have been allowed to get to 200.

There was a lot of false narrative surrounding that incident. Tendu was truly wronged then.

Tendulkar's whining about that incident in his book was worrisome. In the entire book he sounded like he cared a bit too much about milestones. Rahul Dravid probably thought Sachin wouldn't mind not scoring 200. Seems like Dravid is the legit team man.

 

[Sin Nombre]

It was both poor and good captaincy from Kohli.

Poor captaincy since England would have been under severe pressure if they had to face 12 overs before stumps rather than 5.

Good captaincy since Nair mentioned how thankful he was to the team management to allow him a few more overs. Young player who was unlucky in his previous 2 innings - run out with Kohli and that review getting the greatest of confidence boosts.