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Lord's 2016 vs Lord's 2018

2018, purely because of how in experienced the team personnel were, and at the time of year and condition they played in which suit the home team soo much more.
 
2018.

2016 had an over-rated Misbah who was lucky with a win after years.
 
2018's performance blows 2016 out of the water. We won 9/10 sessions this time, which is incredible. Our batting, bowling, and fielding were much better this time. Not to mention this side is very inexperienced, which makes it more special.
 
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Loved the pushups and Misbah's ton...but we simply dominated England this time around.Clinical performance.
 
This performance easily trumps the 2016 victory. That team was pretty well settled and had experienced campaigners yet found itself floundering at one point and had to be rescued by Shafiq and Misbah.

This was a young and inexperienced team which applied itself brilliantly and dominated the game from from ball one. Infact if it hadn't been for Babar's injury we might have won by an innings here.
 
2018 is a much more clinical win however 2016 still wins it for me. It was all just so emotional and such a massive moment.
 
2018 easily, was close to a complete team performance whereas the 2016 one was mainly built on Misbah's and Yasir's performances.
 
2018 because overall Pakistan had better batting (against pace) and pace attack. Misbah got lucky in 2016 that there was no Anderson and Stokes otherwise it would have been a different story I'm sure.
 
Felt the Euphoria in 2018, this one was like; damn! she gave me her number so easily :afridi
 
2016. We were down and out after an awful Asia Cup and T20 World Cup display

That 2016 Lords win was much needed

Also I personally don't buy this 'inexperienced team' nonsense. Yes they might have been new to the Test arena and to English conditions, but we all knew guys like Haris Sohail, Babar Azam, Shadab Khan, Faheem Ashraf and Hasan Ali were highly talented cricketers. Add those 5 and experienced cricketers such as Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Sarfraz Ahmed and Muhammad Amir and that's already 9 out of 11 of your team.
 
ArsenalFC said:
2018 because overall Pakistan had better batting (against pace) and pace attack. Misbah got lucky in 2016 that there was no Anderson and Stokes otherwise it would have been a different story I'm sure.
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It's Stokes not Steyn.
 
PakSarZameen said:
2016. We were down and out after an awful Asia Cup and T20 World Cup display

That 2016 Lords win was much needed

Also I personally don't buy this 'inexperienced team' nonsense. Yes they might have been new to the Test arena and to English conditions, but we all knew guys like Haris Sohail, Babar Azam, Shadab Khan, Faheem Ashraf and Hasan Ali were highly talented cricketers. Add those 5 and experienced cricketers such as Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Sarfraz Ahmed and Muhammad Amir and that's already 9 out of 11 of your team.
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In 2016 we had a very decent test team going into the series, here it was inexperienced because of the number of tests they had played together.

ANd Asia cup and WT20 were T20s, at that time we were good in tests and bad in LOIs
 
2016 side had a few names I am thankful that are not representing Pakistan any more as they simply were not top draw material.

Hafeez
Misbah
Wahab
Rahat

Boring B/C grade players
 
PakSarZameen said:
2016. We were down and out after an awful Asia Cup and T20 World Cup display

That 2016 Lords win was much needed

Also I personally don't buy this 'inexperienced team' nonsense. Yes they might have been new to the Test arena and to English conditions, but we all knew guys like Haris Sohail, Babar Azam, Shadab Khan, Faheem Ashraf and Hasan Ali were highly talented cricketers. Add those 5 and experienced cricketers such as Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Sarfraz Ahmed and Muhammad Amir and that's already 9 out of 11 of your team.
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Your reverse logic kind of makes more sense for this team. To beat England so comprehensively after getting white washed in USE frst series post misbah says how important ths victory is
 
Difficult to choose but i would go with 2018 because the team is inexperienced and young this time around.
 
2016 felt better and will live longer in the memory :salute but this win was far more impressive/surprising. Absolutely battered England by doing the opposite of the Pakistani stereotype and bowling a solid English line and length, being patient and not panicking (maybe a bit when Buttler/Bess were there) in the field, being solid and disciplined with the bat and everybody held on to their catches whenever a chance came their way.

We showed England how to play in early season English conditions :rahat1:rahat1:rahat1

Let's hope we continue being this flukey for the next couple of weeks :yk2
 
Although after giving it some more thought, England dropped their two best players in Woakes and Moeen so that takes the sheen away from this victory. England's vendetta against Birmingham, the greatest city in the world, meant they put out a second string team that was so poor even India might have survived until lunch on day three.

So Lords 2016 was definitely the best performance, followed by the victory over Ireland and Lords 2018 in third place.

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]
 
Whether it is the win in the WI in his final test, that great comeback against SL or the Test at Lords, there is always something romantic about a Misbah-inspired win.
 
It was the discipline this time round that was very easy to see. Mickey has done a very good job with the boys. It’s funny a few months ago about the reading posts that people thought fitness and discipline did not matter
 
Big Mac said:
Although after giving it some more thought, England dropped their two best players in Woakes and Moeen so that takes the sheen away from this victory. England's vendetta against Birmingham, the greatest city in the world, meant they put out a second string team that was so poor even India might have survived until lunch on day three.

So Lords 2016 was definitely the best performance, followed by the victory over Ireland and Lords 2018 in third place.

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Totally agree mate :mv what else do you expect when the chairman of their board is that big nonce Collin Stupid Idiot Graves. Woakes is still in the squad and am sure he will play the next game, he sends shivers down my spine; biggest threat to Pakistan. Mo has gone into hibernation, he will return from the future much better! stronger! faster! and the beard will be much much bigger!
 
I'd say Lord's 2016 was more emotional in terms of it being the first Test back in England since the spot fixing series of 2010 and also Amir's comeback Test.

This was a more clinical, professional display almost reminding me of the best of Mickey Arthur's South Africa teams.
 
As to which one we played better in, definitely 2018. We played like a number 1 test would play despite having such an inexperienced team.

As to which one I enjoyed more, definitely the 2016 one. The push ups, the emotions, fact it was in the summer and a 4 match series made it better experience. Also I was there on the day we won (last minute decision) it was amazing, lots of Pakistani crowd there and the scenes when Pakistan won were just crazy. Delighted with both though :)
 
I don't remember when was the last time I was so excited about a cricketing tour other than 2016. Can even recollect the days before it, the whole world was playing all kinds of cricket and our cricketers were spending time in Abbotabad under the watchful eyes and tough regimented training of quarter masters and drill instructors.

All we had were videos of Sharjeel Khan running up and down pma training ground facilities, the push ups, the boys running around in circles with speakers blaring national songs in the background. It was all that we had - a training camp - and maybe now when I look back with the benefit of hindsight, it was all that we really needed at that time.

Controversy of all sorts was surrounding the team, a bad showing here, a bad showing there, players seething against a coach, media trying to find scapegoats and getting all sorts of weird agendas through and then we had a coach ousted and a new one was just trying to get his feet in. We seem to always be just a foot away from sliding into quicksand (in cricketing terms) and this was the time when we were almost waist deep in it.

And then comes the major fact that we were going back to England after all that had happened in 2010. The fact is, England had graciously allowed us to play our home matches in England, that's something that's too hard to imagine in today's money driven cricketing world. A cricketing board letting another cricketing nation compete its product in its own turf (albeit for a fee but the goodwill necessary to create such a transaction far outweighs the cost).

And then the double Butts struck us, like lightening that wasn't supposed to strike but it did and not just once but twice. One fixed on the spot and cost us our bowling attack, the other peeked into bookie circles and claimed that the English players had fixed the match. This was defiance of the kind that's hard to fathom, and harder to rebuke and leaves you clueless as to what kind of officials have ruled us.

It was like ignominy after ignominy, a painful loss in Lords where of all the people, Broad had put our bowling to sword. We rave about Asif and some writers make him seem larger than life, but here was Asif, unable to stand against a number 10 batsman and we suffered one of the most scarring loss of all times. It was painful, unbelievable, and most of all, it made you wear the Balotelli shirt with just one little difference, "why always Pakistan?"

Roll a few years from that time to 2016 and things had changed but much was still to change.

Respect - an oft used word but still - was completely at stake when our team walked out on Lord's turf in 2016. We even had within our ranks, one of the perpetrators in Amir and the cricketing world was divided in opinion, again. 4 days later, when the whole team was being put into position by Younus and was doing pushups in front of the grand stand, we had respect from even those who had laughed at us and now even the worst critics of our team were smiling with us. It encapsulated Pakistan, and every pushup was in Nasser's words, true representation of Pakistani cricket, "One minute down, one minute up."

That match of 2016 will be remembered not just by us but everyone, and a bold prediction, its legacy will only grow. You don't have a 42 year old captain score a century everyday, you don't see a prodigal 19 year old come back from a wilderness lasting almost 6 years, now almost a man, to take the last wicket in the test to ensure victory, you just don't get that kind of script written even in fiction.

The 2018 match, beautiful as it was, and emphatic as the victory was, will be sandwiched in the memories somewhere for most of us. A lot happened, but nothing really memorable to the level of 2016 did. We've won five matches in Lords, but even the most ardent of cricketing fans don't remember all of them. The one that Wasim and Waqar won in 92' was brilliant and no mean feat by any stretch of imagination, the one in 96' was a last ditch effort where we won on the last day thanks to a superlative Mushtaq, I don't even remember which was the first match that we won here but I'm assuming it would be a good match. And that's basically my point, this match due to recency effect feels more important now but when dust settles and some time passes, it'll be moved to the back of our collective cricketing memories.

The 2018 win will be a glorious beautiful sidenote for me. A great win, and something to look forward to in terms of recollection, but overall just a sidenote.

But the 2016 one, that's the real deal. That was the summer of Pakistan, that glorious marvelous wonderful sublime summer of 2016 which ended in us ruling the test cricketing world (even if it was for a few days).

That my friend is what legends are made of.
 
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Rana said:
2016 side had a few names I am thankful that are not representing Pakistan any more as they simply were not top draw material.

Hafeez
Misbah
Wahab
Rahat

Boring B/C grade players
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How can you forget THE LEGEND IFTIKHAR
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
I don't remember when was the last time I was so excited about a cricketing tour other than 2016. Can even recollect the days before it, the whole world was playing all kinds of cricket and our cricketers were spending time in Abbotabad under the watchful eyes and tough regimented training of quarter masters and drill instructors.

All we had were videos of Sharjeel Khan running up and down pma training ground facilities, the push ups, the boys running around in circles with speakers blaring national songs in the background. It was all that we had - a training camp - and maybe now when I look back with the benefit of hindsight, it was all that we really needed at that time.

Controversy of all sorts was surrounding the team, a bad showing here, a bad showing there, players seething against a coach, media trying to find scapegoats and getting all sorts of weird agendas through and then we had a coach ousted and a new one was just trying to get his feet in. We seem to always be just a foot away from sliding into quicksand (in cricketing terms) and this was the time when we were almost waist deep in it.

And then comes the major fact that we were going back to England after all that had happened in 2010. The fact is, England had graciously allowed us to play our home matches in England, that's something that's too hard to imagine in today's money driven cricketing world. A cricketing board letting another cricketing nation compete its product in its own turf (albeit for a fee but the goodwill necessary to create such a transaction far outweighs the cost).

And then the double Butts struck us, like lightening that wasn't supposed to strike but it did and not just once but twice. One fixed on the spot and cost us our bowling attack, the other peeked into bookie circles and claimed that the English players had fixed the match. This was defiance of the kind that's hard to fathom, and harder to rebuke and leaves you clueless as to what kind of officials have ruled us.

It was like ignominy after ignominy, a painful loss in Lords where of all the people, Broad had put our bowling to sword. We rave about Asif and some cricinfo writers make him seem larger than life, but here was Asif, unable to stand against a number 10 batsman and we suffered one of the most scarring loss of all times. It was painful, unbelievable, and most of all, it made you wear the Balotelli shirt with just one little difference, "why always Pakistan?"

Roll a few years from that time to 2016 and things had changed but much was still to change.

Respect - an oft used word but still - was completely at stake when our team walked out on Lord's turf in 2016. We even had within our ranks, one of the perpetrators in Amir and the cricketing world was divided in opinion, again. 4 days later, when the whole team was being put into position by Younus and was doing pushups in front of the grand stand, we had respect from even those who had laughed at us and now even the worst critics of our team were smiling with us. It encapsulated Pakistan, and every pushup was in Nasser's words, true representation of Pakistani cricket, "One minute down, one minute up."

That match of 2016 will be remembered not just by us but everyone, and a bold prediction, its legacy will only grow. You don't have a 42 year old captain score a century everyday, you don't see a prodigal 19 year old come back from a wilderness lasting almost 6 years, now almost a man, to take the last wicket in the test to ensure victory, you just don't get that kind of script written even in fiction.

The 2018 match, beautiful as it was, and emphatic as the victory was, will be sandwiched in the memories somewhere for most of us. A lot happened, but nothing really memorable to the level of 2016 did. We've won five matches in Lords, but even the most ardent of cricketing fans don't remember all of them. The one that Wasim and Waqar won in 92' was brilliant and no mean feat by any stretch of imagination, the one in 96' was a last ditch effort where we won on the last day thanks to a superlative Mushtaq, I don't even remember which was the first match that we won here but I'm assuming it would be a good match. And that's basically my point, this match due to recency effect feels more important now but when dust settles and some time passes, it'll be moved to the back of our collective cricketing memories.

The 2018 win will be a glorious beautiful sidenote for me. A great win, and something to look forward to in terms of recollection, but overall just a sidenote.

But the 2016 one, that's the real deal. That was the summer of Pakistan, that glorious marvelous wonderful sublime summer of 2016 which ended in us ruling the test cricketing world (even if it was for a few days).

That my friend is what legends are made of.
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Beautiful post my man.

Just beautiful.
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
I don't remember when was the last time I was so excited about a cricketing tour other than 2016. Can even recollect the days before it, the whole world was playing all kinds of cricket and our cricketers were spending time in Abbotabad under the watchful eyes and tough regimented training of quarter masters and drill instructors.

All we had were videos of Sharjeel Khan running up and down pma training ground facilities, the push ups, the boys running around in circles with speakers blaring national songs in the background. It was all that we had - a training camp - and maybe now when I look back with the benefit of hindsight, it was all that we really needed at that time.

Controversy of all sorts was surrounding the team, a bad showing here, a bad showing there, players seething against a coach, media trying to find scapegoats and getting all sorts of weird agendas through and then we had a coach ousted and a new one was just trying to get his feet in. We seem to always be just a foot away from sliding into quicksand (in cricketing terms) and this was the time when we were almost waist deep in it.

And then comes the major fact that we were going back to England after all that had happened in 2010. The fact is, England had graciously allowed us to play our home matches in England, that's something that's too hard to imagine in today's money driven cricketing world. A cricketing board letting another cricketing nation compete its product in its own turf (albeit for a fee but the goodwill necessary to create such a transaction far outweighs the cost).

And then the double Butts struck us, like lightening that wasn't supposed to strike but it did and not just once but twice. One fixed on the spot and cost us our bowling attack, the other peeked into bookie circles and claimed that the English players had fixed the match. This was defiance of the kind that's hard to fathom, and harder to rebuke and leaves you clueless as to what kind of officials have ruled us.

It was like ignominy after ignominy, a painful loss in Lords where of all the people, Broad had put our bowling to sword. We rave about Asif and some cricinfo writers make him seem larger than life, but here was Asif, unable to stand against a number 10 batsman and we suffered one of the most scarring loss of all times. It was painful, unbelievable, and most of all, it made you wear the Balotelli shirt with just one little difference, "why always Pakistan?"

Roll a few years from that time to 2016 and things had changed but much was still to change.

Respect - an oft used word but still - was completely at stake when our team walked out on Lord's turf in 2016. We even had within our ranks, one of the perpetrators in Amir and the cricketing world was divided in opinion, again. 4 days later, when the whole team was being put into position by Younus and was doing pushups in front of the grand stand, we had respect from even those who had laughed at us and now even the worst critics of our team were smiling with us. It encapsulated Pakistan, and every pushup was in Nasser's words, true representation of Pakistani cricket, "One minute down, one minute up."

That match of 2016 will be remembered not just by us but everyone, and a bold prediction, its legacy will only grow. You don't have a 42 year old captain score a century everyday, you don't see a prodigal 19 year old come back from a wilderness lasting almost 6 years, now almost a man, to take the last wicket in the test to ensure victory, you just don't get that kind of script written even in fiction.

The 2018 match, beautiful as it was, and emphatic as the victory was, will be sandwiched in the memories somewhere for most of us. A lot happened, but nothing really memorable to the level of 2016 did. We've won five matches in Lords, but even the most ardent of cricketing fans don't remember all of them. The one that Wasim and Waqar won in 92' was brilliant and no mean feat by any stretch of imagination, the one in 96' was a last ditch effort where we won on the last day thanks to a superlative Mushtaq, I don't even remember which was the first match that we won here but I'm assuming it would be a good match. And that's basically my point, this match due to recency effect feels more important now but when dust settles and some time passes, it'll be moved to the back of our collective cricketing memories.

The 2018 win will be a glorious beautiful sidenote for me. A great win, and something to look forward to in terms of recollection, but overall just a sidenote.

But the 2016 one, that's the real deal. That was the summer of Pakistan, that glorious marvelous wonderful sublime summer of 2016 which ended in us ruling the test cricketing world (even if it was for a few days).

That my friend is what legends are made of.
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Post Of The Week.Rula dia yar.
 
We were led to believe that the test team will struggle without Misbah ul Haq. This is sweeter
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
I don't remember when was the last time I was so excited about a cricketing tour other than 2016. Can even recollect the days before it, the whole world was playing all kinds of cricket and our cricketers were spending time in Abbotabad under the watchful eyes and tough regimented training of quarter masters and drill instructors.

All we had were videos of Sharjeel Khan running up and down pma training ground facilities, the push ups, the boys running around in circles with speakers blaring national songs in the background. It was all that we had - a training camp - and maybe now when I look back with the benefit of hindsight, it was all that we really needed at that time.

Controversy of all sorts was surrounding the team, a bad showing here, a bad showing there, players seething against a coach, media trying to find scapegoats and getting all sorts of weird agendas through and then we had a coach ousted and a new one was just trying to get his feet in. We seem to always be just a foot away from sliding into quicksand (in cricketing terms) and this was the time when we were almost waist deep in it.

And then comes the major fact that we were going back to England after all that had happened in 2010. The fact is, England had graciously allowed us to play our home matches in England, that's something that's too hard to imagine in today's money driven cricketing world. A cricketing board letting another cricketing nation compete its product in its own turf (albeit for a fee but the goodwill necessary to create such a transaction far outweighs the cost).

And then the double Butts struck us, like lightening that wasn't supposed to strike but it did and not just once but twice. One fixed on the spot and cost us our bowling attack, the other peeked into bookie circles and claimed that the English players had fixed the match. This was defiance of the kind that's hard to fathom, and harder to rebuke and leaves you clueless as to what kind of officials have ruled us.

It was like ignominy after ignominy, a painful loss in Lords where of all the people, Broad had put our bowling to sword. We rave about Asif and some cricinfo writers make him seem larger than life, but here was Asif, unable to stand against a number 10 batsman and we suffered one of the most scarring loss of all times. It was painful, unbelievable, and most of all, it made you wear the Balotelli shirt with just one little difference, "why always Pakistan?"

Roll a few years from that time to 2016 and things had changed but much was still to change.

Respect - an oft used word but still - was completely at stake when our team walked out on Lord's turf in 2016. We even had within our ranks, one of the perpetrators in Amir and the cricketing world was divided in opinion, again. 4 days later, when the whole team was being put into position by Younus and was doing pushups in front of the grand stand, we had respect from even those who had laughed at us and now even the worst critics of our team were smiling with us. It encapsulated Pakistan, and every pushup was in Nasser's words, true representation of Pakistani cricket, "One minute down, one minute up."

That match of 2016 will be remembered not just by us but everyone, and a bold prediction, its legacy will only grow. You don't have a 42 year old captain score a century everyday, you don't see a prodigal 19 year old come back from a wilderness lasting almost 6 years, now almost a man, to take the last wicket in the test to ensure victory, you just don't get that kind of script written even in fiction.

The 2018 match, beautiful as it was, and emphatic as the victory was, will be sandwiched in the memories somewhere for most of us. A lot happened, but nothing really memorable to the level of 2016 did. We've won five matches in Lords, but even the most ardent of cricketing fans don't remember all of them. The one that Wasim and Waqar won in 92' was brilliant and no mean feat by any stretch of imagination, the one in 96' was a last ditch effort where we won on the last day thanks to a superlative Mushtaq, I don't even remember which was the first match that we won here but I'm assuming it would be a good match. And that's basically my point, this match due to recency effect feels more important now but when dust settles and some time passes, it'll be moved to the back of our collective cricketing memories.

The 2018 win will be a glorious beautiful sidenote for me. A great win, and something to look forward to in terms of recollection, but overall just a sidenote.

But the 2016 one, that's the real deal. That was the summer of Pakistan, that glorious marvelous wonderful sublime summer of 2016 which ended in us ruling the test cricketing world (even if it was for a few days).

That my friend is what legends are made of.
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Beautifully written. The only win that can surpass Lord's is probably a historical win at the MCG.
 
I also happened to read an article on a popular cricketing website about how amazing our first win in Lords was.

Exceptional first victory there
 
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