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Shoaib is the fittest, with huge experience and at top of his game and the best ODI player in Pak team at the moment. Sarfaraz is just continuation of Misbah and very very inconsistent as batsman and keeper.

Azhar should be the test captain, Shoiab for ODI and T20 , until we find ( by luck ) someone capable in next 2-3 years, although no one in sight at the moment.
 
Sure let's make guy who has failed in every game against a top side since his comeback because we lack the ability to pick apart the comeback performance to see how deceptive the numbers are
 
He's definitely our best player. Making him captain is probably not the way to go, given it would be a temporary solution and Sarfraz is more of a long term option. However, Malik should be the only senior player in the side, that means no Hafeez, Wahab, etc. Malik should bat at number 3/4 also.
 
Sure let's make guy who has failed in every game against a top side since his comeback because we lack the ability to pick apart the comeback performance to see how deceptive the numbers are

Yes, because all the other players have been so much better against top sides right...
 
Atleast He is our Best Odi player atm but


1. Fails against top 4 bowling line ups.

2. Fails in ICC tournaments

3. Will he last until 2019 ? Yes physically he is fittest but by 2019 He would have played 20 years of Int Cricket so reflexes ? Eyesight ?


But no doubt currently he is our best player.

Babar too but He has 90 % of his Odi Tons against Number 9 ranked West Indies plus Malik bats at 5.
 
Yes, because all the other players have been so much better against top sides right...
Rotting fish starts at the head . But go ahead select your world class by pakistan standard players
 
Atleast He is our Best Odi player atm but


1. Fails against top 4 bowling line ups.

2. Fails in ICC tournaments

3. Will he last until 2019 ? Yes physically he is fittest but by 2019 He would have played 20 years of Int Cricket so reflexes ? Eyesight ?


But no doubt currently he is our best player.

Babar too but He has 90 % of his Odi Tons against Number 9 ranked West Indies plus Malik bats at 5.

We have to start discounting these performances
 
One thing is for sure. Sarfaraz is not the answer for the captaincy role. Malik will be a short term fix. I cant see any other options besides Hafeez may be. All in all, a very gloomy time to be a Pakistan cricket fan :(
 
He's definitely our best player. Making him captain is probably not the way to go, given it would be a temporary solution and Sarfraz is more of a long term option. However, Malik should be the only senior player in the side, that means no Hafeez, Wahab, etc. Malik should bat at number 3/4 also.

I would not had thought about Shoiab but we have run out of options. Sarfraz is not a captaincy material, yes he still be useful as wicketkeeper batsman.
 
Atleast He is our Best Odi player atm but


1. Fails against top 4 bowling line ups.

2. Fails in ICC tournaments

3. Will he last until 2019 ? Yes physically he is fittest but by 2019 He would have played 20 years of Int Cricket so reflexes ? Eyesight ?


But no doubt currently he is our best player.

Babar too but He has 90 % of his Odi Tons against Number 9 ranked West Indies plus Malik bats at 5.

Sarfraz strictly isn't the captaincy material either. He looks terrible. Seemingly worse than Azhar
 
[MENTION=107807]Pete Rose[/MENTION] don't go too harsh on Malik, He might surprise you against SAF
 
We have to start discounting these performances


Let's wait for CT to end. Lets give Sarfraz a fair chance.


But


You cannot undermine his tactics as a leader. Whether it was bowling changes or field placements He was terrible. If this continues than I am sorry we will have to move on.


What we did with Azhar ? We tried to make him into a Captain for 2 years but imthe experiment failed. 2 years wasted.


This is INT Odi Cricket not PSL.
 
[MENTION=107807]Pete Rose[/MENTION] don't go too harsh on Malik, He might surprise you against SAF

You have the numbers in front of you.
I can guarantee you this though: if we dismiss South Africa for 230 odd, Malik and Hafeez will play leading roles in chasing that total
 
When people criticise Malik it seems like we have Virat,Smiths and Roots waiting to replace him.

One of the most delusional nation.
 
You have the numbers in front of you.
I can guarantee you this though: if we dismiss South Africa for 230 odd, Malik and Hafeez will play leading roles in chasing that total

What if we are put into bat first.
 
Don't think he wants to captain because he resigned as KK captain
 
When people criticise Malik it seems like we have Virat,Smiths and Roots waiting to replace him.

One of the most delusional nation.

Exactly, I've never understood all this Malik hate. Dude is in peak physical condition, excellent fielder, great runner and has been scoring more than anyone else in our team over the past few years. He also doesn't wilt under pressure like others. Please do tell me better options that we have [MENTION=488]peter[/MENTION]ose
 
Sarfraz has had a poor ODI captaincy stint but we should wait.Malik will be a short term fix we need a guy who can captain for the next 5 years.
 
Another disaster - he is at an age that the day he starts to decline, there is no come back & that day might come in a year.

Only way & I repeat only way is to appoint a bowlers as Captain - if not Amir, then appoint Shadab & I am not joking.
 
Another disaster - he is at an age that the day he starts to decline, there is no come back & that day might come in a year.

Only way & I repeat only way is to appoint a bowlers as Captain - if not Amir, then appoint Shadab & I am not joking.

If you want young guys, you have to get rid of the old guys. thats how it works in pakistan cricket, as you well know
 
If you want young guys, you have to get rid of the old guys. thats how it works in pakistan cricket, as you well know

Sarfu isn't a bad Captain - but he is WK, extremely cumbersome job for Captaincy & he is not fit enough physically to take the pressure of 3 way load. Appoint any senior batsman - he'll play 8 batsmen & protect his surrounding with buddies.
 
Sarfu isn't a bad Captain - but he is WK, extremely cumbersome job for Captaincy & he is not fit enough physically to take the pressure of 3 way load. Appoint any senior batsman - he'll play 8 batsmen & protect his surrounding with buddies.

i dont see anything to indicate he is a good captain. but then I was never advocating for #anyonebutAzhar.
Pakistan's problems are deeper than a cosmetic change of putting a traffic warden (waving his hands) as captain.
 
Sarfu isn't a bad Captain - but he is WK, extremely cumbersome job for Captaincy & he is not fit enough physically to take the pressure of 3 way load. Appoint any senior batsman - he'll play 8 batsmen & protect his surrounding with buddies.

At best he can control a 40 overs match. Decoding a100 overs match is beyond him and will be for next 24 months atleast.

He is a captain created by KP.

If PCB management are serious, Zeeshan Malik should be Captain post WC '19.

But this isn't about intent even. PCB fellows are incompetent. Why won't they be when most of them are in alzheimer zone.
 
i dont see anything to indicate he is a good captain. but then I was never advocating for #anyonebutAzhar.
Pakistan's problems are deeper than a cosmetic change of putting a traffic warden (waving his hands) as captain.

He was groomed as Captain from U19 days & he is quite successful as well (U19 & PSL I can recall). It was a bad investment for PCB to groom a WK as Captain - why, I think, I had 2 detailed post explaining that.

Leading a struggling team is the toughest job in cricket - on top of that, he is burdened with the more busy job in the game & he should take more batting responsibility from No. 4. To manage all these, someone needs to be as fit as Sanga or MSD (still Sanga has a 20+ average drop as WK-batsman from specialist bat). MS was appointed Captain at 24 & left Test Captaincy at 31, LO at 33 - even if I take 2/3 years in it for both, Sarfu was appointed at the time MS retired from Test & he is one of most bottom heavy, over-weight WK I have ever seen. PCB is run by people who don't bother to study the game, neither bother for team performance - otherwise Sarfu won't have been appointed in 2017 - similarly Azhar won't be in 2015. At worst, I could have taken Sarfu as Captain in 2015 for 27 months with a deputy like Shehzad or Imad or Babar or Umar & released after CT. No way, he is going to manage till 2019, when he'll be at least in his mid 30s.
 
He was groomed as Captain from U19 days & he is quite successful as well (U19 & PSL I can recall). It was a bad investment for PCB to groom a WK as Captain - why, I think, I had 2 detailed post explaining that.

Leading a struggling team is the toughest job in cricket - on top of that, he is burdened with the more busy job in the game & he should take more batting responsibility from No. 4. To manage all these, someone needs to be as fit as Sanga or MSD (still Sanga has a 20+ average drop as WK-batsman from specialist bat). MS was appointed Captain at 24 & left Test Captaincy at 31, LO at 33 - even if I take 2/3 years in it for both, Sarfu was appointed at the time MS retired from Test & he is one of most bottom heavy, over-weight WK I have ever seen. PCB is run by people who don't bother to study the game, neither bother for team performance - otherwise Sarfu won't have been appointed in 2017 - similarly Azhar won't be in 2015. At worst, I could have taken Sarfu as Captain in 2015 for 27 months with a deputy like Shehzad or Imad or Babar or Umar & released after CT. No way, he is going to manage till 2019, when he'll be at least in his mid 30s.

but what is the point of being wiser after the event. you were quite the the enthusiastic advocate for regime change
 
At best he can control a 40 overs match. Decoding a100 overs match is beyond him and will be for next 24 months atleast.

He is a captain created by KP.

If PCB management are serious, Zeeshan Malik should be Captain post WC '19.

But this isn't about intent even. PCB fellows are incompetent. Why won't they be when most of them are in alzheimer zone.

It's preferable not to appoint a batsman as PAK Captain - each one of them had been extremely defensive, selfish & played the game to avoid defeat. Only decent batting Captain I can recall probably was Asif Iqbal, but his baptism was also as a bowler. For his short Captaincy career, Sohail was good, but he also was a decent batting-all-rounder. YK or Butt could have been one while Misbah has other great attributes, but ....

Better Captains are (almost all of them) are either bowlers or all-rounders - Kardar, Intekhab, Mushtaq, Imran, Wasim. Even with massive limitation as player, MoHa & Malik were actually better than any one since Akram. Of the new blocks - Babar looks like beardless MoYo, so you can understand.

As I said, if not Amir, they can even go for Yasir (Test), Hasan/Shadab in LO - but no batsman, no WK. Zeeshan wasn't even U19 captain, therefore not sure about his prospect - Saud could have been one, but sadly he is diminishing, also has stopped bowling.
 
No. We cannot keep hiring and firing captains when its clear even the human amalgamation of Brendon McCullum and Stephen Fleming wouldn't be able to hide the deficiencies of this outdated ODI team.

Give Sarfraz time, he only had one series as ODI skipper before this CT, he has to learn from his mistakes.
 
He was groomed as Captain from U19 days & he is quite successful as well (U19 & PSL I can recall). It was a bad investment for PCB to groom a WK as Captain - why, I think, I had 2 detailed post explaining that.

Leading a struggling team is the toughest job in cricket - on top of that, he is burdened with the more busy job in the game & he should take more batting responsibility from No. 4. To manage all these, someone needs to be as fit as Sanga or MSD (still Sanga has a 20+ average drop as WK-batsman from specialist bat). MS was appointed Captain at 24 & left Test Captaincy at 31, LO at 33 - even if I take 2/3 years in it for both, Sarfu was appointed at the time MS retired from Test & he is one of most bottom heavy, over-weight WK I have ever seen. PCB is run by people who don't bother to study the game, neither bother for team performance - otherwise Sarfu won't have been appointed in 2017 - similarly Azhar won't be in 2015. At worst, I could have taken Sarfu as Captain in 2015 for 27 months with a deputy like Shehzad or Imad or Babar or Umar & released after CT. No way, he is going to manage till 2019, when he'll be at least in his mid 30s.

I don't know where his expeirence disappeared after watching his captaincy last night. For all the hype he has he was dreadful on the field.
 
Malik or Sarfraz should have been made captain after the 2015 WC with a young vc learning under them. Pcb is absolutely clueless and made Azhar captain LOL.

Malik shouldn't be made captain. Sarfraz deserves more time.
 
Need a captain with personality, and not the Imad/Shehzad type personalities. Malik isn't the answer either + he will retire in 2 years, One can safely rule Babar out as well.

The fact that there is a not single player in the team who is the right age, has an imposing persona, has star quality and is a good communicator or at least ticks a couple of these boxes is a very, very sad indictment of the sorry situation Pakistan cricket finds itself in.
 
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Need a captain with personality, and not the Imad/Shehzad type personalities. Malik isn't the answer either + he will retire in 2 years, One can safely rule Babar out as well.

The fact that there is a not single player in the team who is the right age, has an imposing persona, has star quality and is a good communicator or at least ticks a couple of these boxes is a very, very sad indictment of the sorry situation Pakistan cricket finds itself in.

There is no one even in domestic cricket i think. What do u think about haris though? Right age, ability, has worked on his fitness. Has no captaincy experience though i would assume.
 
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but what is the point of being wiser after the event. you were quite the the enthusiastic advocate for regime change

He is MILES, I repeat MILES ahead of Azhar in this regard - so, in that regard I stand my ground - I'll take Kamran Akmal as ODI Captain over Azhar.

Regarding Sarfraz as Captain, I think I had been always reserve to appoint a WK as Captain. More than personality, it's his trait that doesn't go with the job - on top of that, he is unfit & over weight. What he did yesterday, as I read (I didn't see PAK fielding for most part) is absolutely perfect for a WK - chattering, cheering, scolding, sledging, calling names & every thing. I can tell you that, first time microphones in stamp were not manged like now - so we did hear comments from Moin, Hilley, Mongia even against bowlers/players like Wasim, Warne or Tendulkar - it wasn't always polished like - "Wasim Bahi, zara......." That's WK's job - which contradicts his persona as a Captain.
 
Yeah lets make someone a captain who will fail in most of the important games against good teams and then will show his bat as if he has won a WC for Pakistan
 
There is no one even in domestic cricket i think. What do u think about haris though? Right age, ability, has worked on his fitness. Has no captaincy experience though i would assume.

Doesn't have the personality, doubtful fitness levels, already close to 30 but yet to prove himself as a top player. He is not a better or worse candidate than Babar, which means he is not an option either.
 
I don't know where his expeirence disappeared after watching his captaincy last night. For all the hype he has he was dreadful on the field.

It's tough to lead a struggling side - on top of that, add WKeeping.

Also, I think, he is feeling the pressure from few seniors now. After sacking, Azhar shouldn't have been called so early - he doesn't make the team on merit first, then he is a dreadful captain. Here PCB's interpretation is opposite - he is an acceptable player - sacked for Captaincy.
 
Doesn't have the personality, doubtful fitness levels, already close to 30 but yet to prove himself as a top player. He is not a better or worse candidate than Babar, which means he is not an option either.

True but i think he commands respect of his colleagues due to his FC feats. You're right though, thats not enough.

Really a sorry state of affairs.
 
True but i think he commands respect of his colleagues due to his FC feats. You're right though, thats not enough.

Really a sorry state of affairs.

More than that, a captain also needs to earn the respect of the opposition and needs to have a position in world cricket. The fact that India is being led by Kohli while we have handed the reigns to Sarfraz sums up how much we have fallen behind. There was a time when they had Kapil and Azharuddin and we had Imran and Wasim.

Imagine two young players of comparable quality: One is being led by by the biggest star in the game with a dynamic personality and who strikes fear into the opposition, and the other is lead by a shouting midget who is a nobody in world cricket, and can't string two sentences together, and 90% of the casual followers of the game are not even aware of his existence. The amount of difference (being led by Kohli compared to being led by Sarfraz) it makes to the confidence of young players cannot be put into words.
 
More than that, a captain also needs to earn the respect of the opposition and needs to have a position in world cricket. The fact that India is being led by Kohli while we have handed the reigns to Sarfraz sums up how much we have fallen behind. There was a time when they had Kapil and Azharuddin and we had Imran and Wasim.

Imagine two young players of comparable quality: One is being led by by the biggest star in the game with a dynamic personality and who strikes fear into the opposition, and the other is lead by a shouting midget who is a nobody in world cricket, and can't string two sentences together, and 90% of the casual followers of the game are not even aware of his existence. The amount of difference (being led by Kohli compared to being led by Sarfraz) it makes to the confidence of young players cannot be put into words.


Haha, during the WI series you were all praise for Sarf and his captaincy. :najam
 
Haha, during the WI series you were all praise for Sarf and his captaincy. :najam

Its all relative. He is a better LOI player than Azhar and a better captain based on evidence so far. However, he did have a shocker against India yesterday which was as bad as Azhar's worst show as captain.
 
i honestly dont understand the brain matter or thought process of pakistani cricket fans
 
Its all relative. He is a better LOI player than Azhar and a better captain based on evidence so far. However, he did have a shocker against India yesterday which was as bad as Azhar's worst show as captain.

So based on one match you're giving up on him?
 
i honestly dont understand the brain matter or thought process of pakistani cricket fans

hehe dont worry. I have seen same person calling for 3 players to become Pakistan captain in different threads. :D Its total comedy out there.

Aur sonay pai sohaga then they criticize PCB of chopping and changing ;)
 
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So based on one match you're giving up on him?

I think he should take over as Test captain as well so it doesn't sound like I am giving up on him. However, that is precisely down to the lack of better options. Those who wanted Sarfraz as captain have never suggested that he is a savior or a messiah, barring a few delusional folks who are getting itchy in this thread already.
 
He is MILES, I repeat MILES ahead of Azhar in this regard - so, in that regard I stand my ground - I'll take Kamran Akmal as ODI Captain over Azhar.

Regarding Sarfraz as Captain, I think I had been always reserve to appoint a WK as Captain. More than personality, it's his trait that doesn't go with the job - on top of that, he is unfit & over weight. What he did yesterday, as I read (I didn't see PAK fielding for most part) is absolutely perfect for a WK - chattering, cheering, scolding, sledging, calling names & every thing. I can tell you that, first time microphones in stamp were not manged like now - so we did hear comments from Moin, Hilley, Mongia even against bowlers/players like Wasim, Warne or Tendulkar - it wasn't always polished like - "Wasim Bahi, zara......." That's WK's job - which contradicts his persona as a Captain.

You make two points.
A) don't have a keeper captain. I agree with this as I think dhoni, alex Stewart, mccullam and sanga were just exceptional people and cricketers. By and large the job doesn't suit a keeper esp if he's unfit and portly
B) make a bowler captain: yes but who? Our best seam bowler amir wouldn't make it into any top side on form or fitness. I can't believe you even mention shadab or Yasir.

Captaincy talk is irrelevant. There are too many players hanging on to their fragile reputations playing cricket like we are in the 90's. sarfaraz can't do anything if wahab is gonna spray it around like he does . if the selectors don't know that on green uk wickets you should have tall hit the deck hard line and length bowlers (or perhaps Pakistan has ceased to produce them) then there's nothing any captain can do. Really we should be going back to the drawing board and realise that our limited overs cricket has been in decline for about ten years now.
 
I think he should take over as Test captain as well so it doesn't sound like I am giving up on him. However, that is precisely down to the lack of better options. Those who wanted Sarfraz as captain have never suggested that he is a savior or a messiah, barring a few delusional folks who are getting itchy in this thread already.

If you think I am talking about you the I am not. You are pretty consistent in your views.

And in general my point is simple: Captaincy is something which requires time. If you select some captain then give him time. We cant just change captains every series. Ye nai ho skta k aj Imad captain. Kal Amir captain, parsun Hasan phir Babar etc ..
 
You make two points.
A) don't have a keeper captain. I agree with this as I think dhoni, alex Stewart, mccullam and sanga were just exceptional people and cricketers. By and large the job doesn't suit a keeper esp if he's unfit and portly
B) make a bowler captain: yes but who? Our best seam bowler amir wouldn't make it into any top side on form or fitness. I can't believe you even mention shadab or Yasir.

Captaincy talk is irrelevant. There are too many players hanging on to their fragile reputations playing cricket like we are in the 90's. sarfaraz can't do anything if wahab is gonna spray it around like he does . if the selectors don't know that on green uk wickets you should have tall hit the deck hard line and length bowlers (or perhaps Pakistan has ceased to produce them) then there's nothing any captain can do. Really we should be going back to the drawing board and realise that our limited overs cricket has been in decline for about ten years now.

Hasan has the right attitude, but not sure if he has the support. Here experience has ZERO value to me to be a Captain. All the great Captains in history were great from their first day & they learned on job. Azhar Ali was Azhar Ali after 2 years in job & MoYO will be MoYo after 20 years.

Regarding Amir - he'll make this PAK side with one leg & one arm, which actually isn't a good state, but bitter truth. Yesterday, when he limped off - I categorically wrote that PAK will suffer their Karma of playing only decent bowler non stop, since his return after 5+ years of competitive game - even against WI, or the 5th ODI in AUS after already being 1-3 down - Karma cost PAK 35 runs, at least.

Another option can be, though I am not sure - Umar Amin. Haris could have been a better choice, but don't think he can keep himself fit for 3 matches at a stress. Bowler or all-rounder doesn't mean PCB should appoint Anwar Ali.
 
If you think I am talking about you the I am not. You are pretty consistent in your views.

And in general my point is simple: Captaincy is something which requires time. If you select some captain then give him time. We cant just change captains every series. Ye nai ho skta k aj Imad captain. Kal Amir captain, parsun Hasan phir Babar etc ..

I am not talking about you either.
 
Not that he has leadership skills, he grooms the youngsters and gives birth to champs like Haris Sohail, Raza Hassan
 
Misbah took over at 33 and stayed for another 7 years, Malik can do the same. No one talks about a captains age.

Take Dhoni's example, before and after captaincy
 
He was willing to do that post 2015 CWC. They messed it with appointing yes man Azhar then with Sarfraz. I don't think if he is interested now. Because in Aus when they don't have Azhar and Sarfraz, also hafeez who was called in late was made the captain without choices after Malik doesn't want to captain under mickey I guess as he will not enjoy the freedom he wants.
 
I am in full support of Sarfraz and captain and I would say that you need to give him a few years more in the side.
Some have talked about a captain needing to command respect. Well, the only other option, Shoaib Malik, is a stop gap and doesn't appear to be interested in the captaincy.
On the other hand, you have Sarfraz who has been groomed for captain since his U-19 days and has captained in a final in the PSL. He won the U-19 world cup as a captain. He won his first six T20 matches.
What Sarfraz is doing now is setting up his international captaincy style. He started by trying to imitate his approach with T20s, where he leads off with Imad Wasim in the Powerplay. Was it a mistake? Yes! But do I get mad at him for it? No, and here's why-every format is different! I've seen his aggression before-he willingly bowled out Amir out of overs in T20s a few times to get key breakthroughs. I was puzzled and disappointed to not see him go all out with pace in the opening and after getting wickets-but half the problem is that he didn't know his entire team, or he had absolutely no trust in Wahab or Hasan Ali with the new ball.
As far as his fitness goes-I would say he's better than most and he's been steadily improving.
At the same time-Sarfraz can't make naan without a good tandoor. Maybe he had a say in the selection, maybe he didn't. If he did, he had opportunities to select better options.
And I hope Shadab Khan's performance will let him be a bit bolder-to actually select Haris Sohail and Fakhar Zaman for the next match.
 
Shoaib Malik as Captin

Pcb should make Shoaib Malik as Test and ODI captin because he is one who can make strong team like Imran Khan did and he is not the yes man captin like Sarfraz Ahmad is.........
And under his captincy should groom Babar Azam as Captin
what is your opinion?
 
Sarfaraz got the Pak captaincy on merit, he has put the hard yards of captaincy in his U-19 and domestic career for a long while. That experience while invaluable is obviously nothing compared to leading your country at the international level. We need to give him time. At the bare minimum he needs atleast a year or two, there are just no other alternatives. Malik is a TTF in captaincy and there will be calls to sack him as well in a few months.
 
Don's fans having a field day, after sensing an opportunity of attacking Sarfraz.

:malik
 
Pcb should make Shoaib Malik as Test and ODI captin because he is one who can make strong team like Imran Khan did and he is not the yes man captin like Sarfraz Ahmad is.........
And under his captincy should groom Babar Azam as Captin
what is your opinion?


Babar is overrated to be frank. He is a decent batsman but don't have the skills to lead the team.
 
Hasan has the right attitude, but not sure if he has the support. Here experience has ZERO value to me to be a Captain. All the great Captains in history were great from their first day & they learned on job. Azhar Ali was Azhar Ali after 2 years in job & MoYO will be MoYo after 20 years.

Regarding Amir - he'll make this PAK side with one leg & one arm, which actually isn't a good state, but bitter truth. Yesterday, when he limped off - I categorically wrote that PAK will suffer their Karma of playing only decent bowler non stop, since his return after 5+ years of competitive game - even against WI, or the 5th ODI in AUS after already being 1-3 down - Karma cost PAK 35 runs, at least.

Another option can be, though I am not sure - Umar Amin. Haris could have been a better choice, but don't think he can keep himself fit for 3 matches at a stress. Bowler or all-rounder doesn't mean PCB should appoint Anwar Ali.

Ok now you're making a 3rd point which is
C) any player however young should be experimented for captaincy. But you actually don't know their captaincy credentials and don't know if they they can command a place in the team in a years time etc etc.

I think you are in danger of devaluing the title and role of captain of the national cricket team. History has shown that Pakistan doesn't suit a young inexperienced captain. Our system is a shambles and sometimes a leader has to rise above petty politics. Just contrast Misbah and Shohaib Malik in 2007. And salman butt of course

Secondly a captain can only be as good as his personnel. Yes he has to motivate and get the best out of them but if he's carrying a bunch of free loaders as they exist in this team then any captain will execute poor plans on the field. Nobody can captain, wahab, Ahmed shehzad or Rahat Ali. It is debatable whether hafeez is an asset with his many skills or a liability with his off days. Etc.
 
Ok now you're making a 3rd point which is
C) any player however young should be experimented for captaincy. But you actually don't know their captaincy credentials and don't know if they they can command a place in the team in a years time etc etc.

I think you are in danger of devaluing the title and role of captain of the national cricket team. History has shown that Pakistan doesn't suit a young inexperienced captain. Our system is a shambles and sometimes a leader has to rise above petty politics. Just contrast Misbah and Shohaib Malik in 2007. And salman butt of course

Secondly a captain can only be as good as his personnel. Yes he has to motivate and get the best out of them but if he's carrying a bunch of free loaders as they exist in this team then any captain will execute poor plans on the field. Nobody can captain, wahab, Ahmed shehzad or Rahat Ali. It is debatable whether hafeez is an asset with his many skills or a liability with his off days. Etc.

So, you are telling that 5 more decades of Bari, Rameez, Waquar, Inzamam, MoYo, Misbah, Afrid, Azhar type Captains, who are senior & manage politics?

Managing politics & others such staff is at PCB's hand - make Shadab Captain & Babar deputy - then whoever has problem in that, gets kicked out. You'll need to shoot the first one - rest'll understand. It's not rocket science that why Pataudi, Ian Chappel, Greeme Smith, Cook, Fleming, MSD, Ganguly (he was made Captain in his 5th year of return), Smith, Williamson .... could be successful captains, being appointed in their early 20s & PAK should need Captains in their early 40s .........

Carrying free loaders are not Captains' monopoly - there is a selection committee for that & a team management - both are highly paid. I am all for Captain picking his 10 buddies, if the team is in top 3/4 - but problem will arise if the team is at 8th/9th.

I value National Cricket Captain as the highest sports honor in Test playing countries, because he is an ambassador of his country on tours - that's why for me, it's not the person that glorifies the post, rather,it's the post that glorifies the person - be is 43 years old or 23 years old.

Only valid question in your post is the automatic choice issue - for that, recent PAK is the first team in list, which should never appoint a batsman as Captain, rather try to appoint a bowler or all-rounder, who won't struggle to justify his spot almost every match.

Personally, I am not for fast bowlers as Captain - too much work load, minor injuries, selective drop from starting XI are part of their career. Besides, fast bowlers don't like to field inside inner ring, which is essential for an ODI Captain. On top of that, as fast bowlers, one might need to leave field after every spell for few minutes of rest - all these indicates that Amir or Hasan shouldn't be considered. But, there is no other option left. This is the same reason, despite all sorts of fitness & off-the field issues, PCB had to appoint Akram Captain in 5 tenures over 10 years & made the PAK team whose who - 8/9 former or future Captain in starting XI. Everytime they tried with a batting/WK Captain - from Salim Malik to Latif to Saeed to Sohail to even Rambo Raja, only to bring back Akram after few months.
 
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Why is Malik not the Pakistan captain or am I crazy ?

He is the only one with the proper experience and the only one who seems to have a clue our there. He is someone that is respected among his peers and seems to have matured a lot. I think we need to discuss Malik being the captain...
 
He is the only one with the proper experience and the only one who seems to have a clue our there. He is someone that is respected among his peers and seems to have matured a lot. I think we need to discuss Malik being the captain...

He has already stated multiple times in the last few years that he is no longer interested in the captaincy. He just wants to play. Its time to move on from this argument.
 
Malik was being groomed to take over from Misbah. Remember it clearly which is why he was brought back in the past. He ended up failing with the bat and earning his place in the team. PCB were desperate for him to do well, but eventually gave up. Hence eventually captaincy went to Azhar. I'm pretty sure if Malik had performed then he would be captain (if he wanted to be).

Now it's not a long term solution, and Malik doesn't even want it.
 
Malik don’t want the captaincy, understood. But is Pakistan fine with Sarfaraz being a captain who fails 9.5/10 times? This the best time to groom a new captain for the upcoming World Cup.
 
Yes of course we should be fine going into the WC with Sarfaraz as captain. Who else would you want leading the team? He has the experience captaining in high pressure matches. He has a relationship with with Arthur. Look at how England did changing captains at the last minute. I'm not sure why this debate keeps happening. The team overall is playing well and responding to him, regardless of what some of us arm chair critics are saying. The PCB has said they're going into the WC with him as captain as well.

The debate should be, who are we grooming to take over after.

Azam?
Wasim?
Zaman?

Is there anyone else even showing glimpses of leadership material? Is the PCB having any player working with Arthur and Sarfaraz and sitting into meetings learning about tactics? I don't know but the conversations in the corridors of power should be about that.
 
Lets wait until South Africa are done with us to see what we want do with malik
 
yes lets replace safraz with malik. lets bring back Afridi, Akmal, Riaz

yes lets go backwards.
 
He is the only one with the proper experience and the only one who seems to have a clue our there. He is someone that is respected among his peers and seems to have matured a lot. I think we need to discuss Malik being the captain...

His meltdown as captain in the PSL wasn't that long ago if I recall.

No, Malik is a ship that has sailed.
 
Shohaib Malik as captain of LO team?

I know Shohaib has retired from tests but even in the twilight years of his career I think he offers something as captain and lower order batsman. He is the most experienced player in the team, one of the fittest, played all around the world and with MA and a bunch of new players surely the problems with players in the past are no longer an issue.

On the other hand Sarfraz May grudgingly continue as test captain as there just isn’t anybody else. He’s just too slow and defensive for the odi team and we may as well groom another wicket keeper for t20’s And odi’s. His field placings and bowling changes are atrocious. It’s almost as if he changes bowlers in order to let batsmen settle and then waves his arms around like a traffic warden when they near 50 or 100. What do others think?
 
Pak lacks experienced and fit players like malik

Young players need guidance from experienced players, who we can rely on when the ship is about to sink, to many silly risks taken by batsmen and should have been a easy chase - this is a gap we can fill by getting hafeez back
 
Sarfaraz needs to do something abt his batting. Terrible

I think he has too much to do and think about. It’s affecting his batting. Relieve him of captaincy and let him just focus on batting and keeping.
 
NO way, it will really make things worse. Sarfi needs to bat down the order #6,7 until he gains his form back
 
NO way, it will really make things worse. Sarfi needs to bat down the order #6,7 until he gains his form back

Well that’s a different point. Relieving him of captaincy could also help him regain batting form.
 
Well that’s a different point. Relieving him of captaincy could also help him regain batting form.

how does giving it to Malok solves the problem? tried and tested just because played 2 knocks hand him the captaincy?:salute Its not easy to keep the team together especially in pak team. For once we don't have such issues and now everyone wants to go back to where we had groupings? mind boggling
 
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