Mediocre overseas players instead of a good domestic player - Has PSL got it wrong?

[MenInG]

Totally agree with Saj here:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">6 overseas players in a 18 man squad in the Pakistan Super League. I would rather another local player was picked ahead of some of the mediocre overseas selections - making it 5 foreign players and 13 local players in each squad <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL7?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSL7</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1470482018354016260?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2021</a></blockquote>
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So we are bringing in some unknowns as overseas selections and they are possibly taking the place of some talented local player. Surely this is not the right approach?

Or the fact that we have a certain number of overseas players in the league a matter of pride and is being pursued as policy?

 

[ARK Rafay]

It has always been like this. There are 5 overseas in the main squad and 1 in supplementary. Since 4 is the maximum no. of overseas players allowed in a XI. It makes sense to keep at least 1 overseas player as a back up alongside.

If you want to change it. You have to either increase the the squad size to accommodate more local talent or reduce the maximum no. of overseas players allowed to 3 or less like BBL.

 

[finalfantasy7]

Totally agree with Saj here:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">6 overseas players in a 18 man squad in the Pakistan Super League. I would rather another local player was picked ahead of some of the mediocre overseas selections - making it 5 foreign players and 13 local players in each squad <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL7?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSL7</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1470482018354016260?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2021</a></blockquote>
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So we are bringing in some unknowns as overseas selections and they are possibly taking the place of some talented local player. Surely this is not the right approach?

Or the fact that we have a certain number of overseas players in the league a matter of pride and is being pursued as policy?

which oversea players are you unhappy with ? and which domestic players would you rather have?

 

[transparent opacity]

Absolutely, if local talent is not going to be picked then what's the point of such leagues?
It's better to promote young talent rather than selecting average players just because they're overseas.

 

[Amjid Javed]

[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] @MIG

in theory its a great idea, but these franchises still go and pick TTFs like muhammed irfan, Rahat Ali, Shan masoods, imam ul haqs in their teams. so reducing foriegn players will do nothing when squads are littered with has beens, nepotism picks or players who arent even suited to format.

look at PZ and their batting line up yet they keep picking imam who bats like a snail and has no impact on the team. last PSL they saw sense and dropped him after a few games because of slow starts. why was he picked in squad in 1st place? Azam khan is another.

so all this talk of freeing up space for domestic talent is laughable. we all know just another nepotism or well connected player will just get picked.

Thats one of reasons why PSL isnt the quality that it should be.

 

[ElRaja]

should reduce overseas players by 1, 3 in a final xi.

 

[Savak]

Don't think there is any way to dictate to the Franchises. They are boss

 

[Amjid Javed]

Don't think there is any way to dictate to the Franchises. They are boss

Yep and for that reason we get most squads littered with mediocre selections. PSL isnt grooming international players as it should be.

We can say mediocre overseas players are blocking talented youngsters.

The likes of Irfans, Rahats Ali, imam etc.. are doing just the same.

 

[cricketerB94]

Perfect way for the franchises to pick the left out has beens like Khurram Manzoor, Sohail Khan, Rahat Ali e.t.c.

What PCB need is to make a pool of 30 top domestic players (from national t20) and make it mandatory to pick all those players in different categories. When all the players from that pool are picked, then the franchises should have the option to pick the players from draft or the player development programs.

 

[Saj]

Don't think there is any way to dictate to the Franchises. They are boss

Well that's exactly the sort of attitude that needs to be changed.

 

[Saj]

I would also go as far as saying that a certain number of local players in each squad should be under age 25.

 

[Amjid Javed]

PSL should consist of
- current pakistan international T20s suited to format
- Shaheen squad T20 players
- Best players from under 23 or under 19 teams
- Max 4 foreign players
- finally drafted domestic T20 players

Any players who are done and dusted or end of careers - hafeez, malik, rahat, irfan need to stop being picked

same goes for imam, shan masoods who just not good enough for the format.

 

[shamaan]

which oversea players are you unhappy with ? and which domestic players would you rather have?

Akif Javed,Nasir Nawaz,Farhaan,Kashif Ali,Tayab Tahir,Ali Imran thiers a few names.

 

[MenInG]

Better news on this front from the PCB:

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Pakistan Cricket Board and all six HBL PSL franchises have agreed that all teams may pick two additional players each in the Supplementary Category for the HBL Pakistan Super League 2022 to be held from 27 January to 27 February.

Although each side can select one foreign player each, the decision opens up opportunities for the local emerging cricketers to experience franchise cricket that will contribute in their grooming and development. Separately, this will also provide extra players to the teams, should they require for reasons beyond their control.

 

[mazkhan]

Well it is a concern

Because you have likes of sahibzada farhan not getting picked in psl and he is a solid domestic performer

 

[silentkiller187]

Akif Javed,Nasir Nawaz,Farhaan,Kashif Ali,Tayab Tahir,Ali Imran thiers a few names.

which foreigners do you think they would be better than?

 

[shamaan]

which foreigners do you think they would be better than?

Am not sure about that but I rather back a youngster than someone who hasn't played any international cricket for thier country for example odean Smith was picked in silver category like you being serious.

Ali Imran Instead of Ben Ducket
Akif Javed over Odean Smith/Shepherd

That's only a few names.

 

[Saj]

Better news on this front from the PCB:

Not better as that potentially increases the percentage of foreign players in the PSL.

Out of 120 players, 42 could now be foreign (35%)

 

[Zaz]

Well it is a concern

Because you have likes of sahibzada farhan not getting picked in psl and he is a solid domestic performer

Its such a shame and just because someone like him doesnt seem to have the contacts n backing that more inept players have

 

[silentkiller187]

Am not sure about that but I rather back a youngster than someone who hasn't played any international cricket for thier country for example odean Smith was picked in silver category like you being serious.

Ali Imran Instead of Ben Ducket
Akif Javed over Odean Smith/Shepherd

That's only a few names.

I get what your saying and it’s an interesting debate to be had, I just feel at the moment there’s more deadwood in terms of ageing pak players stealing a living, a foreigner atleast opens the door for psl into areas around the world where people may not have been watching.it’s about striking the right balance.

 

[shamaan]

I get what your saying and it’s an interesting debate to be had, I just feel at the moment there’s more deadwood in terms of ageing pak players stealing a living, a foreigner atleast opens the door for psl into areas around the world where people may not have been watching.it’s about striking the right balance.

Which deadwood ?

It's fine if the foreigners are half decent or have played some matches for thier country but some have hardly played any for example odean Smith would west Indies get up to watch him bag rather than Pollard,gayle and so on.

Like farhaan he scored heavily in domestic but yet couldn't get in to any squad at the moment.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Overseas players always bring a level of professionalism that even some of our best domestic players lack.

They don't have to be established names to be good T20 cricketers. But the professionalism and approach to the game they bring is something that can always rub off on our players in a positive way. They elevate the standard of cricket.

When I look at the squads I see only a handful of mediocre overseas cricketers. Most are their because they have a role or purpose in the side. And again just because they aren't established names doesn't mean they are mediocre.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Prime example:

Akif Javed >>>>>> Naveen ul Haq.

 

[waheed_sofi]

Prime example:

Akif Javed >>>>>> Naveen ul Haq.

I don't understand what is so special of Akif. He is another overhyped pp youngester beauty. Have you seen him bowl in the Quad e azam trophy. With that jump in his bowling, would be more injury prone.
Musa, Sameen and others are 10x times the bowler he is.
Has taken some 2 wicket haul in some random NT20 game, and pp has found new Akram.
Naveen may not be world class but then who are the world class foreign players in psl.
Naveen is known for his death over bowling, Afg would have won the match against Pak if not for Asif's heroics and has played in all t20 leagues except Ipl, he would be more disciplined and would have learned a lot in playing different leagues in different conditions. Would do good with the younger players in the squad.
But i do understand there are some names who shouldn't have been there like that foxcroft guy. Agha Salman should have been there instead of this unknown South African.
There is some problem with Qalander franchise which are picking these unknown names. 1 or 2 in a year or 2 would have been ok , but they are picking quite a few of them. First there are 2 to 3 developmental picks, overseas unknown picks, then national unknown picks like Sohail Akhter and making Captain of their team.

 

[silentkiller187]

Which deadwood ?

It's fine if the foreigners are half decent or have played some matches for thier country but some have hardly played any for example odean Smith would west Indies get up to watch him bag rather than Pollard,gayle and so on.

Like farhaan he scored heavily in domestic but yet couldn't get in to any squad at the moment.

Let’s start with Kamran akmal for starters , holding his team to ransom because he wasn’t happy with his status, or a 50 year old Afridi still trying to steal a living off his name, list goes on, if anything they are blocking the path for young Pakistanis because they are taking their dedicated spots, I’d rather have foreigners starting out in their career than this deadwood anyway.

 

[shamaan]

Let’s start with Kamran akmal for starters , holding his team to ransom because he wasn’t happy with his status, or a 50 year old Afridi still trying to steal a living off his name, list goes on, if anything they are blocking the path for young Pakistanis because they are taking their dedicated spots, I’d rather have foreigners starting out in their career than this deadwood anyway.

I fought Kamran Akmal isn't in any squad now ?.
Afridi I belive has already said its his last season hopefully lol.i rather have emerging Pakistani players than olders and foreigners.

 

[gazza619]

To be honest I have seen many mediocre overseas players making a living even in IPL.

Eoin Morgan is a prime example. Big name but very little outturn.

 

[shamaan]

I don't understand what is so special of Akif. He is another overhyped pp youngester beauty. Have you seen him bowl in the Quad e azam trophy. With that jump in his bowling, would be more injury prone.
Musa, Sameen and others are 10x times the bowler he is.
Has taken some 2 wicket haul in some random NT20 game, and pp has found new Akram.
Naveen may not be world class but then who are the world class foreign players in psl.
Naveen is known for his death over bowling, Afg would have won the match against Pak if not for Asif's heroics and has played in all t20 leagues except Ipl, he would be more disciplined and would have learned a lot in playing different leagues in different conditions. Would do good with the younger players in the squad.
But i do understand there are some names who shouldn't have been there like that foxcroft guy. Agha Salman should have been there instead of this unknown South African.
There is some problem with Qalander franchise which are picking these unknown names. 1 or 2 in a year or 2 would have been ok , but they are picking quite a few of them. First there are 2 to 3 developmental picks, overseas unknown picks, then national unknown picks like Sohail Akhter and making Captain of their team.

Sameen Gull has played for a couple of years and yet hasn't established himself.Musa the one who's about 4 feet spray gun.

Akif Javed proberly his first season in domestic has been injured last year also did you see over he bowled to Watson it was world class.

 

[mastimasti]

which oversea players are you unhappy with ? and which domestic players would you rather have?

Exactly what I was thinking @saj?

 

[mastimasti]

Just had a look at the squads for the upcoming PSL (I don't normally follow drafts, not even for the IPL) and here are some of the overseas players of top quality selected across the squads:

Alex Hales
Paul Stirling
Colin Munro
Reece Topley
Chris Jordan
Mohammad Nabi
David Wiese
Rilee Roussow
Samit Patel
Rovman Powell
Odean Smith
Blessing Muzarabani
Liam Livingstone
Sherfane Rutherford
Saqib Mahmoud (a must play!)
Tom Cadmore (brilliant young guy)
James Vince
Jason Roy (one of the best strikers going)

These are either internationals, grizzled t20 league veterans or some of the best young up and comers in the format (Cadmore was brilliant in The Hundred). Couple these players with some the best T20 cricketers going who just happen to be Pakistani and I don't see the issue.

The foreign players I kept off the list who may be regarded as mediocre or few and far between.