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Mickey Arthur, Sir, please watch the Net Run Rate (NRR)!

hur rizvi said:
Pakistan would have been ahead of NZ on NRR if they had played 50 overs in 2/3 games against India/SA/Aus.

Just complete lack of game awareness
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If the Nz game is washed out on Thursday

Pakistan still shouldn’t just rely on winning. Afghanistan are more than capable of upsetting one of the two teams (Australia/South Africa) in Asian conditions with their 4 spinners
 
hur rizvi said:
Pakistan would have been ahead of NZ on NRR if they had played 50 overs in 2/3 games against India/SA/Aus.

Just complete lack of game awareness
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In case a team is bowled out. Full quota of overs are taken into account. So in that Pakistan's case. Rather than overs, runs would've mattered. Although indirectly you could say that playing more overs leads to more runs.
 
RidiculousMan said:
In case a team is bowled out. Full quota of overs are taken into account. So in that Pakistan's case. Rather than overs, runs would've mattered. Although indirectly you could say that playing more overs leads to more runs.
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Runs would automatically come if you bat 50 overs instead of 42/43/47
 
Rana said:
If the Nz game is washed out on Thursday

Pakistan still shouldn’t just rely on winning. Afghanistan are more than capable of upsetting one of the two teams (Australia/South Africa) in Asian conditions with their 4 spinners
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Afghanistan overtaking Pak on NRR is nigh on impossible.

Even if we assume Pak wins against Eng by 1 run only so that their current NRR remains almost the same at 0.036,

Afghanistan would need to beat Australia by approx 125 runs or chase Australia's target in 26 overs. Plus they would lose out further on NRR when they lose to SA.

So it's not probable for Afghanistan to overtake Pakistan on NRR.
 
Pakistan has a very good chance to make it to semis due to rain. Match may get called off and run rate may become irrelevant.
 
06-11-2023

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Saj said:
Hopefully NRR won't come into it if Sri Lanka beat NZ and Pakistan beat England.

One can live in hope.
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The game will have no result

NZ need to lobby hard with ICC and BCCI to find a way this game has a result.
 
Will the loss against Afghanistan prove be the equivalent of the loss against the Windies in 2019?
 
MenInG said:
Will the loss against Afghanistan prove be the equivalent of the loss against the Windies in 2019?
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Please..Not again ...Pakistan needs to do this on its own this time. If NRR is needed to qualify for the semis, Pakistan should come big here and win it by a big margin instead of relying on the other teams for once.
 
Qudrat ka nizam is working again. When was the last time Pakistan went through into the Semis without luck?
 
Pakistan’s slow chase against the Netherlands is coming back to haunt them. Pakistan had a clear chance of winning the game at least 5-overs earlier than they did and instead they tuk tuked their way to the target.

A lot of members decried the manner Pakistan chased and argued this would come back to bite Pakistan royally in the back. Looks like it did
 
chinaman00 said:
Pakistan’s slow chase against the Netherlands is coming back to haunt them. Pakistan had a clear chance of winning the game at least 5-overs earlier than they did and instead they tuk tuked their way to the target.

A lot of members decried the manner Pakistan chased and argued this would come back to bite Pakistan royally in the back. Looks like it did
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It was against Bangladesh against netherland we batted first
 
7sins said:
No that match could have easily ended 4-5 overs or a bit earlier we were crusiing but babar slowed it down
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We were cruising till the 20th over and then started losing wickets. They were trying to push, Babar got caught out playing a shot. It was a much needed win after a 4 match losing streak and believe me before the match, we couldn't have wished for a better win.
 
Pakistan always comes to a point where they have to rely on other teams to proceed further ahead. Never seen complete dominance in terms of NRR in World Cups to be honest.
 
Elders like @MenInG rightly anticipated the NRR problem.


Pakistani management and players didn't.


And many inexperienced cricket fans in this thread dismissed NRR issues. They hopefully learned something.
 
JattMaula said:
Elders like @MenInG rightly anticipated the NRR problem.


Pakistani management and players didn't.


And many inexperienced cricket fans in this thread dismissed NRR issues. They hopefully learned something.
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Problem is we always end up in this situation.

What's the harm in just winning games? We should have won the AFG game and probably the SA one too.
 
Stay positive.

Bat first, bat smart and hit 350*, hopefully 400.

Get England out for 50 or 100, they’re playing like losers so it’s possible.
 
It's all imam's and babar's fault and to an extent Abdullah shafique as well.
I really really hope I never see imam ul haq in ODIs ever again.
 
When we won we just couldn't win big enough.

We beat NED by 81 runs - AUS beat them by 309 runs, ENG by 160 runs, AFG with 18.3 overs to spare

We beat SL with 10 balls left - SA beat them by 102 runs, IND by 302 runs, NZ with 26.4 overs to spare

Beat NZ by 21 runs, our only big victory was against BD (17.3 overs to spare).

Let's see how we get on against England, who have been pummelled all tournament, even SL beat them in 25 overs! I suspsect we'll make it a close game.
 
Firebat said:
When we won we just couldn't win big enough.

We beat NED by 81 runs - AUS beat them by 309 runs, ENG by 160 runs, AFG with 18.3 overs to spare

We beat SL with 10 balls left - SA beat them by 102 runs, IND by 302 runs, NZ with 26.4 overs to spare

Beat NZ by 21 runs, our only big victory was against BD (17.3 overs to spare).

Let's see how we get on against England, who have been pummelled all tournament, even SL beat them in 25 overs! I suspsect we'll make it a close game.
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Or not win at all!
 
MenInG said:
For those with weak memories, recall the hammering in the 2019 tournament opener against the West Indies!

We never recovered from that NRR issue and that ultimately cost us a semi-final berth.

Hope we have learn't our lessons and will watch the NRR number.

Even if we lose, we must not be hammered into submission - play sensibly and keep that number within sane levels.

Just to remind every one the NRR situation at end of the Group Stage of the 2019 WC:

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Babar speaking at press conference ahead of final clash with England tomorrow

[Reporter:]

Four years ago, the situation was similar to this. You needed 300+ against Bangladesh and today you need around 288. I get the impression from your talks that you haven't thought about the 200 margin or about the net run rate - that we might go for an all-out aggression. What will be Pakistan's strategy tomorrow? Do you think that you will play on ‘do or die’ strategy and try to post the first batting scoreboard that we can achieve it?

[Babar Azam:]

No, it’s not like that that this matter is not in the back of the mind. It's in our mind and we will try to do it. We will try to execute our plans and how we will go tomorrow and how we will achieve the target.

We can't just go in and start firing blindly – we want that but with proper planning, how we want to play the first 10 overs, then the next 20 – how we have to achieve that target.

There are a lot of things in this, like partnership, which player will stay in the pitch for how long. If you ask me, I would say if Fakhar is in the match for 20 or 30 overs, we can achieve that. Then follow up with Rizwan, Iftikhar. We can do this and we have planned for this.
 
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Should have heard old head @MenInG right from the beginning but we all thought he was over reacting. In the end he was right like always.
 
babar, imam, fakhar, shadab, hasan ali, and sir mickey were all part of the 2019 world cup campaign what good is this experience if they are going to make the same mistake again after 4 years
 
They should have focused on winning.

Top teams don’t have to care about NRR
 
Bhaijaan said:
I’m so proud of Bharatiya team
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Why? They have so much more money than anyone else, so much more population and resources than anyone else. They have home support and conditions. Other competitors have gone soft on them due to IPL contracts. Basically the whole system is geared for them to win.

Give me Pak's 92 win any of the day of the week. That's true success against all the odds and sporting greatness. Nowadays, I think even the Indian fans get bored with it all.
 
This is a really good point that I read:

Against Sri Lanka when Pakistan was about to win, "the field was understandably up; Pakistan needed just one run to win in 11 balls. Dilshan Madushanka bowled something of a half-volley, and Rizwan only needed to lean into the drive, placing it through a gap as it raced away for four. The ball hit the rope, but the game was already over before that. Rizwan and Iftikhar had jogged across for a single, and it was one, not four, that counted in the record books - and, more importantly, in the net run rate (NRR) calculations."|

Even though it would not have impacted NRR so much, our plays should have been more aware of these things. Especially expirenced campaigners such as Rizwan and Ifti.
 
Asad T said:
This is a really good point that I read:

Against Sri Lanka when Pakistan was about to win, "the field was understandably up; Pakistan needed just one run to win in 11 balls. Dilshan Madushanka bowled something of a half-volley, and Rizwan only needed to lean into the drive, placing it through a gap as it raced away for four. The ball hit the rope, but the game was already over before that. Rizwan and Iftikhar had jogged across for a single, and it was one, not four, that counted in the record books - and, more importantly, in the net run rate (NRR) calculations."|

Even though it would not have impacted NRR so much, our plays should have been more aware of these things. Especially expirenced campaigners such as Rizwan and Ifti.
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Pakistan philosophy to take the game deep backfired spectacularly
 
Net run rate is going to be a point of discussion in Group A
 
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