Misbah-ul-Haq, former batsman, former captain, Chief Selector, Head Coach - and now a dictator?

[MenInG]

Its said that absolute power can corrupt - in Misbah's case - is it making him into a dictator who is unable to take in advice from people who possibly know more about him?

Take Waqar Younis's subtle hint from today's presser

"If the Chief Selector wants to go with another batsman or not - I have no answer for that"

Seems Misbah not too keen to allow decision making by consensus. Could this become a problem for Pakistan?

 

[Down2Earth]

Just look around the dressing room. There's misbah, Younis, mushy, waqar. There's bound to be problems. It's best to have a clear mindset and ideally that should only be from one of them with inputs.

 

[Hasan123]

Only in Pakistan would you make someone who is a misfit for all these roles have all of them .

 

[Major]

Waqar is bowling coach and works under misbah.

Playing 11 is always decided by the head coach and the captain.

As for dictator, if he was one, usman qadir would never have been part of the t20 squad.

Usman qadir got selected due to babar azams preference.

Also remember that musa is not really a part of the squad, he joined because waqar wnated him and wnated to work with him. Misbah approved that being chief selector.

Now bowling coach or younis khan cant be mendling in playing 11s here

 

[Major]

Also i would like to add, tommarow when waqar or mushie will get fired, they will place the blame and short comings on misbah

Thats what azhar mehmood did if you guys remember. When he got fired he went on about how so and so bowler was played cause of arthur and he had nothing to do with it. Shifting blame.

So even here coaches will try not to take responsibility and throw it around. And thats ok, if at the end of the day you will throw everything on the head coach, why not he decide the playing 11 along with the captain

 

[Nasty Naz]

Its said that absolute power can corrupt - in Misbah's case - is it making him into a dictator who is unable to take in advice from people who possibly know more about him?

Take Waqar Younis's subtle hint from today's presser

"If the Chief Selector wants to go with another batsman or not - I have no answer for that"

Seems Misbah not too keen to allow decision making by consensus. Could this become a problem for Pakistan?

Seriously? You're going to write that he is a dictator based on that quote? The quote that says a bowling coach saying the head coach will decide on the XI? Lol.

It's a common sense move that should have been done in the first place.

 

[Saj]

This is going to come to a head.

I think he'll need to give up either the chief selector or the head coach role.

Two major roles, too much for 1 person.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

My vision tells me that very soon we will start seeing a rise in our status as a cricket team, but only after the present team management is disbanded.
Only Younis khan is someone i would want to stick with.

 

[Varun]

I remember looking at the scorecard of one of the initial Pakistan games in the 2007 World T20 and commenting to myself - "Who is this MISBAH? I don't know him. Is he Inzamam's brother? Must be another in-and-out player Pakistan are selecting in their team."

Hehe, how wrong I was both in that tournament and up to 13 years later!

 

[Major]

I remember looking at the scorecard of one of the initial Pakistan games in the 2007 World T20 and commenting to myself - "Who is this MISBAH? I don't know him. Is he Inzamam's brother? Must be another in-and-out player Pakistan are selecting in their team."

Hehe, how wrong I was both in that tournament and up to 13 years later!

Same story kind off. Saw his name in 2007, i also thought he was inzi's brother. Infact i had spread this rumor in school too.

Than in 2010 i remember when he talked about burning his kit when he was dropped.

And now look , he is the boss of Waqar Younis and Mushtaq Ahmad

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Same story kind off. Saw his name in 2007, i also thought he was inzi's brother. Infact i had spread this rumor in school too.

Than in 2010 i remember when he talked about burning his kit when he was dropped.

And now look , he is the boss of Waqar Younis and Mushtaq Ahmad

You love Misbah, just the way I love my mum.

 

[ManFan]

If he was competent, no one would bat an eye.

The problem is, he has great tactical knowledge of the game. But a very poor strategic outlook.

He knows how to get out a batsman out, what fields to set, what a bowler’s plan is, etc. Nobody in their right mind can deny this.

But he does not understand grand strategy; how his team can win a match. At times when the two collide, like Ajmal bowling to Amla to win the SA ODI series, it works. “Give him a doosra on middle and leg”. It worked. Pakistan won by 1 run. And the series.

But at times like the 3rd Edgbaston Test in 2016, on Day 4, when he instructed his bowlers (4) to bowl outside off, he did not account that England were ahead. So while he was drying up runs to put pressure on ENG, they were waiting for our bowlers to tire and then cash in on a flat deck. Which they did to win the match.

Misbah is limited but his good fortune is that his board is run by even more limited minds. They have no cricketing experience or if they do, no modern knowledge of the game.

I do not blame Misbah for embracing roles that glaringly conflict with one another. He was asked and placed himself in such a position to do so. In his mind, these are just rewards for saving Pakistan cricket from the depths of 2010.

But he is poison for the future. That is all.

 

[Cricketrenew]

Credit where it is due the team is better than I was expecting in England...
Captain is negative though.

 

[Nervesofsteel]

Misbah always does what he wants. He was like this as a captain & now he is head coach & chief selector.

 

[unemployedgm]

The last decade of Pakistan Cricket is about 4 men.
- Misbah ul Haq
- Waqar Younis
- Mickey Arthur
- Inzamam ul Haq

All of these people have one thing in common. They are egotistical, lack intellectual curiosity, and simply unqualified for the positions they've been given. No one should be surprised with Pakistan's mediocrity. It's been ingrained in the system by these men both intentionally and unintentionally.

 

[unemployedgm]

Waqar is bowling coach and works under misbah.

Playing 11 is always decided by the head coach and the captain.

As for dictator, if he was one, usman qadir would never have been part of the t20 squad.

Usman qadir got selected due to babar azams preference.

Also remember that musa is not really a part of the squad, he joined because waqar wnated him and wnated to work with him. Misbah approved that being chief selector.

Now bowling coach or younis khan cant be mendling in playing 11s here

Musa who I like is in the squad because getting him game time will open the door to contracts in England. They both have the same agent.

 

[unemployedgm]

This is going to come to a head.

I think he'll need to give up either the chief selector or the head coach role.

Two major roles, too much for 1 person.

Is he qualified for either?

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Dictator or not it's all about results. If Misbah loses the series against NZ in december as well it will be game over for Misbah.

NZ series in December/January will be key. A win against Sri Lanka or Bangladesh is not enough in 15 months time!

If the NZ tests end up in disappointment as well then Wasim Khan will be under pressure to do something. Will be interesting to see how he handles media pressure.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Is he qualified for either?

This is Pakistan. As if Iqbal Qasim or Haroon Rasheed were qualified. Compared to them Misbah has superior knowledge of domestic cricket and its cricketers.

In Pakistan qualification is overrated and its all about network aka sifarish. People in the PCB like Misbah so he will always be there.

 

[unemployedgm]

This is Pakistan. As if Iqbal Qasim or Haroon Rasheed were qualified. Compared to them Misbah has superior knowledge of domestic cricket and its cricketers.

In Pakistan qualification is overrated and its all about network aka sifarish. People in the PCB like Misbah so he will always be there.

I didn't mean qualified in the literal sense of the word. Being in a decision-making position myself I always felt that Coaching Badges was just one component of hiring a coach etc... What I meant by qualified is what qualities did Misbah have whereby you can forecast success.

If we critically dig in to Misbah's career the statistics don't match the reality. The reality being that Pakistan was a mediocre team under his captaincy in all formats. Players regressed under his leadership and the team didn't win. I would say the same thing about Misbah's batting. The numbers look good on paper but the impact was underwhelming.

 

[Junaids]

Waqar is bowling coach and works under misbah.

Playing 11 is always decided by the head coach and the captain.

As for dictator, if he was one, usman qadir would never have been part of the t20 squad.

Usman qadir got selected due to babar azams preference.

Also remember that musa is not really a part of the squad, he joined because waqar wnated him and wnated to work with him. Misbah approved that being chief selector.

Now bowling coach or younis khan cant be mendling in playing 11s here

NOOOOOOOOOOO!

The Chief Selector provides the squad, with or without input from the Head Coach.

But the Captain is the boss of the Head Coach. The final playing eleven is the responsibility of the captain, alone. He may accept advice from the Head Coach, and he may not.

The problem is that Pakistan has a Head Coach with a Puppet Captain. And Misbah denies Azhar Ali the absolute control that he had as Captain himself.

 

[Suleiman]

Too much power for someone not qualified enough to hold such power.

 

[Major]

NOOOOOOOOOOO!

The Chief Selector provides the squad, with or without input from the Head Coach.

But the Captain is the boss of the Head Coach. The final playing eleven is the responsibility of the captain, alone. He may accept advice from the Head Coach, and he may not.

The problem is that Pakistan has a Head Coach with a Puppet Captain. And Misbah denies Azhar Ali the absolute control that he had as Captain himself.

You are wrong.

Head coach is the boss of the captain. The final playing 11 gets decided by both captain and coach, with final say from captain.

Misbah doesnt deny azhar anything nor he is a puppet thats just your assumption.

Mushi himself said that for the first t20 it was misbah and azhar both who wanted two spinners. Mushie never said misbah alone.


Also usman qadir only got into the t20 team last year cause of babar azam. Misbah would never had selected him, but babar gave his input and was added in the squad. Usman and babar are friends.

 

[Junaids]

You are wrong.

Head coach is the boss of the captain. The final playing 11 gets decided by both captain and coach, with final say from captain.

Misbah doesnt deny azhar anything nor he is a puppet thats just your assumption.

Mushi himself said that for the first t20 it was misbah and azhar both who wanted two spinners. Mushie never said misbah alone.


Also usman qadir only got into the t20 team last year cause of babar azam. Misbah would never had selected him, but babar gave his input and was added in the squad. Usman and babar are friends.

Nope. That’s why Peter Moores had to go when KP lost faith in him.

It’s why Mickey couldn’t replace Misbah as the number 6 with Babar when he took over.

It’s why Mickey had to wait for Misbah to retire before he could have his 5 bowler attack.

Ask Ian Chappell. The Head Coach in cricket is the servant of the Captain, and he shuts his mouth except when asked for an opinion.

 

[uberkoen]

Aren't we creating too much of an issue out of this? Waqar is correct. I mean it is Misbah's job to select the team. Not sure why we are creating controversy where there is none.

 

[Shafi]

Same story kind off. Saw his name in 2007, i also thought he was inzi's brother. Infact i had spread this rumor in school too.

Than in 2010 i remember when he talked about burning his kit when he was dropped.

And now look , he is the boss of Waqar Younis and Mushtaq Ahmad

Didn't you earlier Misbah took the head coach position in order to Waqar coach the team as a disguise? Try to be honest. You don't need to copy Misbah for everything.People might have difference of opinion but we all need to support Pakistan cricket to do well with or without Misbah. Stop Idol Worshiping!!!

 

[Junaids]

Aren't we creating too much of an issue out of this? Waqar is correct. I mean it is Misbah's job to select the team. Not sure why we are creating controversy where there is none.

With respect, you are not being precise enough about where Misbah’s role in picking the team begins and ends.

Misbah is the Chief Selector. That gives him the right to chair the Selection Committee in selecting the SQUAD, but not the team. The Head Coach and Captain may or may not be on that selection committee. This is the first and last time that EITHER the Chief Selector OR the Head Coach participates in the selection process.

The Chief Selector then hands the selected squad to the Captain. And from that point it is the sole decision of the Captain who is picked in the Starting Eleven. The captain can consult the Head Coach, or his mother, or his pet gerbil. Or he can do it himself, like Imran and Misbah both did as skipper.

But the Captain picks the team. The Head Coach has no say in selection, and the Chief Selector’s role ends when he hands the Captain the squad.

This is cricket. The Captain is the boss, and everyone else is his servant.

 

[uberkoen]

With respect, you are not being precise enough about where Misbah’s role in picking the team begins and ends.

Misbah is the Chief Selector. That gives him the right to chair the Selection Committee in selecting the SQUAD, but not the team. The Head Coach and Captain may or may not be on that selection committee. This is the first and last time that EITHER the Chief Selector OR the Head Coach participates in the selection process.

The Chief Selector then hands the selected squad to the Captain. And from that point it is the sole decision of the Captain who is picked in the Starting Eleven. The captain can consult the Head Coach, or his mother, or his pet gerbil. Or he can do it himself, like Imran and Misbah both did as skipper.

But the Captain picks the team. The Head Coach has no say in selection, and the Chief Selector’s role ends when he hands the Captain the squad.

This is cricket. The Captain is the boss, and everyone else is his servant.

Not sure where you get this idea from that head coach has no say in the selection.

To give an example of how incorrect you are. I'll just leave the following article here.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/spo...che-deciding-test-against-west-indies-2920287

 

[ads101]

I feel in the modern era the coach should have both chief selector and head coach power. In football, the manager has control, who we wants in the squad, who he chooses in the XI. Captain really should come second, he should follow the instructions of the guy who is actually being paid to think out tactics. The thing the captain should be able is to adapt in situations where things deviate from the main plan.

We couldn't have a combined role with Mickey as he doesn't understand urdu, nor that involved with domestic cricket. He was even surprised with fitness of Irfan and umar when they came into the team which no one else was surprised. Not his fault, but obviously a Pakistani coach is going to have that advantage. Maybe in the future when Pakistan is safer to tour and cricket is played in Pakistan, a foreign coach will be able to interact with domestic more.

The issue isn't him doing many roles, I wouldn't have minded another coach doing that. The main concern is he doesn't have much experience even for just coaching roles, let alone taking on even more than normal.

It's actually great a coach can take responsibility. If things go wrong people will blame Misbah. Too many times for Pakistan, a coach is given free pass, there was nothing he could do as he wasn't give full control. Better to give him that control, but the responsibility ultimately lies with him now.

 

[Junaids]

I feel in the modern era the coach should have both chief selector and head coach power. In football, the manager has control, who we wants in the squad, who he chooses in the XI. Captain really should come second, he should follow the instructions of the guy who is actually being paid to think out tactics. The thing the captain should be able is to adapt in situations where things deviate from the main plan.

We couldn't have a combined role with Mickey as he doesn't understand urdu, nor that involved with domestic cricket. He was even surprised with fitness of Irfan and umar when they came into the team which no one else was surprised. Not his fault, but obviously a Pakistani coach is going to have that advantage. Maybe in the future when Pakistan is safer to tour and cricket is played in Pakistan, a foreign coach will be able to interact with domestic more.

The issue isn't him doing many roles, I wouldn't have minded another coach doing that. The main concern is he doesn't have much experience even for just coaching roles, let alone taking on even more than normal.

It's actually great a coach can take responsibility. If things go wrong people will blame Misbah. Too many times for Pakistan, a coach is given free pass, there was nothing he could do as he wasn't give full control. Better to give him that control, but the responsibility ultimately lies with him now.

But we know that Misbah is comically incompetent in these tasks. As is Azhar.

Ask Ian Chappell....

https://wwos.nine.com.au/cricket/ex...chappell/21cce429-fbd5-4bc8-9fda-70d34024f866

 

[gibsyhesperis]

Nope. That’s why Peter Moores had to go when KP lost faith in him.

It’s why Mickey couldn’t replace Misbah as the number 6 with Babar when he took over.

It’s why Mickey had to wait for Misbah to retire before he could have his 5 bowler attack.

Ask Ian Chappell. The Head Coach in cricket is the servant of the Captain, and he shuts his mouth except when asked for an opinion.

The relationship between captain and coach has to be a partnership, not one being the boss of the other.
In the KP example, the ECB got rid of both Moore’s as coach AND KP as captain — and rightly so.

 

[gibsyhesperis]

This is going to come to a head.

I think he'll need to give up either the chief selector or the head coach role.

Two major roles, too much for 1 person.

In any appropriate corporate governance structure there has to be a division of responsibilities. Whilst the coach and captain should have an input into team selection, the final selection responsibility should be elsewhere.
It avoids the obvious challenges the combined role has in the dressing room — would players be open to going to the coach with a problem if they also know he is the one who will ultimately also decide if they are playing ? It also leads to the problem that the coach is perceived as having favourites that get perpetually selected (which is our current problem).

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

PCB has been a meme board since forever. Only Imran Khan knew how to handle incompetent management.

A logical decision should be to drop Azhar and Shafiq but Misbah lacks courage.

We may become a bona fide minnow in next 2 years.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

The last decade of Pakistan Cricket is about 4 men.
- Misbah ul Haq
- Waqar Younis
- Mickey Arthur
- Inzamam ul Haq

All of these people have one thing in common. They are egotistical, lack intellectual curiosity, and simply unqualified for the positions they've been given. No one should be surprised with Pakistan's mediocrity. It's been ingrained in the system by these men both intentionally and unintentionally.

Very unfair to put Arthur in there among unqualified failures (as management, not players).

Arthur coached SA to become one of the best teams in 2000s and later Australia. He had immense success with both teams. Arthur was the one coach who introduced fitness awareness amongst PAK team and set high standards so that their fielding could compete with the rest of the world. Our fielding was really instrumental in reaching the top in T20Is. He blooded in youngsters like Babar, Shaheen, Shadab, Imad, Hasan, Imam and Rizwan some of whom have shown glimpses of world-class talent and are in the top 10 rankings frequently.

Arthur will forever be remembered as the coach who introduced a fitness culture in PAK cricket, did away with TTFs while openly calling out players who did not win matches (Wahab, Shezzy, Umar etc).

There's literally no comparison between him and the others.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

In any team in the world the coach and the captain have the final say. Their influence depends on their individual personalities, standing within the team. But I don't know any team where the bowling or batting coach makes those final decisions.

There is no point in airing your dirty laundry in the public. It will accomplish nothing. And its not a good look for the bowling coach to be making these kind of statements. Sends the wrong message.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

It's crazy the difference a coach can make.

Under Mickey Pak had its combination right and we were not easy to dismiss in the UK. But under Misbah we look even worse than Bangladesh here.

What will Misbah do in NZ in the coming winter? Don't see him surviving that series.

 

[Pakpak]

I hope he is a dictator, so when he fails him and his fans have noone else to blame.

 

[Junaids]

Incompetent halfwit.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

This is Pakistan. As if Iqbal Qasim or Haroon Rasheed were qualified. Compared to them Misbah has superior knowledge of domestic cricket and its cricketers.

In Pakistan qualification is overrated and its all about network aka sifarish. People in the PCB like Misbah so he will always be there.

And he selects Fawad alam Sohail Khan Imran Khan Umar Akmal Ahmed shehzad kashif bhatti bringing back retired Wahab *** is he thinking. If he wants to play veteran cricket and captain it himself

Except Haider Ali he has no new faces to show who performed well.

Inzi on the other hand formed a good young unit by giving chances to Babar, Shadab, Hasan Ali, faheem Ashraf, Fakhar Zaman, Sharjeel , Imam UL haq, Umar Amin, SSA, shinwari, etc in his three years .

Misbah is going back to the players who he captained 3 years ago, they are for the right reasons not given chances when Inzi and MA was there.

Atrocious, sick of this loser Misbah.

 

[Energy]

Brace yourself for Misbah specials:

1. We had inexperienced bowling attack, they will learn with every tour
2. Playing after 5 months due to Corona and therefore were not match-fit
3. Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali are our senior players and match-winners
4. Babar Azam and Shan Masood have been positive and have a bright future
5. Spinners bowled really well
6. We will learn from our mistakes

How do you honestly get out this gutter? Who is his/her right mind thinks Misbah actually follows domestic closely to select the squad?

It is a cycle: Select players without Vision - Try them on a series by series basis - Doesn't work out - Recycle them selectively based on whims - Cloak it as there's no talent left in the country.

 

[shaz619]

He should leave while he can or risk tainting his own legacy permanently, his run thus far has been absolutely shocking; there is simply no defence, old age has definitely got to him. He should be no where near the set up, it boggles my mind how he had the success he did and taking Pak to no.1 and what not, he is mentally shot and out of his depth with regards to the current demands, wouldn't rule out him turning into a bit of a dictator either.

 

[Kroll]

He should leave while he can or risk tainting his own legacy permanently, his run thus far has been absolutely shocking; there is simply no defence, old age has definitely got to him. He should be no where near the set up, it boggles my mind how he had the success he did and taking Pak to no.1 and what not, he is mentally shot and out of his depth with regards to the current demands, wouldn't rule out him turning into a bit of a dictator either.

Funnily enough, I don't think he's made these decisions based off any mental lapses or age as he's relatively young for a chief selector.

This is just the setup, type of player and brand of cricket he believes in and will stoically stick to through thick and thin no matter what.

 

[Kroll]

Brace yourself for Misbah specials:

1. We had inexperienced bowling attack, they will learn with every tour
2. Playing after 5 months due to Corona and therefore were not match-fit
3. Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali are our senior players and match-winners
4. Babar Azam and Shan Masood have been positive and have a bright future
5. Spinners bowled really well
6. We will learn from our mistakes

How do you honestly get out this gutter? Who is his/her right mind thinks Misbah actually follows domestic closely to select the squad?

It is a cycle: Select players without Vision - Try them on a series by series basis - Doesn't work out - Recycle them selectively based on whims - Cloak it as there's no talent left in the country.

Get ready guys for the excuses at the end of the match which will be along the lines of the above.

 

[Manunited18]

Get ready guys for the excuses at the end of the match which will be along the lines of the above.

Not playing competitive cricket for 5 months Is a Hugh challenge then to play test cricket, there's no two ways about it

 

[MenInG]

Reports indicate that Misbah is not happy with the appointment of NHPC coaches. So a lot of influence being exercised it seems

 

[MenInG]

Looking a little helpless Misbah - holding his head!

 

[ataullah]

According to sources, Chief Selector Misbah ul Haq isn’t happy on inclusion of Faisal, Razzaq & Basit in selection committee, all three are the head coaches of provinces too.
So will PCB made a new selection committee or change the head coaches in coming season?

 

[moghul]

According to sources, Chief Selector Misbah ul Haq isn’t happy on inclusion of Faisal, Razzaq & Basit in selection committee, all three are the head coaches of provinces too.
So will PCB made a new selection committee or change the head coaches in coming season?

Why nutcases like Basit and Razzaq , why not some sensible ex-cricketer to be included in the very important matter of selecting the team.