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Misbah-ul-Haq says main domestic cricket agenda is to find quality fast-bowlers for Test cricket

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Some excerpts from Misbah's presser about the domestic cricket system:

"Whenever Pakistan has gone to Australia, we often think about the batting and focus on that a lot but as we saw in the last series, we only managed to bowl them out once in 3 Test matches and that's the biggest worry. We made 450 there, we were close to chasing 434 so we created chances with the batting but in the bowling dept., we have to improve a lot. Australia are very good in their own conditions and we will have to work hard on our bowling dept. and we have done that during the camp and we are also focusing on this in domestic cricket, how we can improve our bowling. Until we go to Australia and take 20 wickets, we can't win. At the moment, we need a lot of hard work and we are working on that. I am hopeful that the bowlers we will select will be able to do well in Australia"

"We have everything available, we have reports and match summaries of domestic cricket games and footage of everything. Whoever's bowling or batting we want to see can be accessed. With six teams playing, it's not that difficult to keep track of the players, specially when you're getting feedback from the teams' coaches and captains. So far the matches that have happened, the picture I have, it's almost as though I have watched them all live"

"Without fitness now, players can't survive because there is so much cricket being played. International cricket, leagues etc. and all this is pressure cricket. If you don't stay fit, survival is difficult. Look at the top teams, even India, they have a lot of professionalism. We are trying to become like the top teams in this aspect and there will be no compromise"

"I think we were missing this thing, in the past we used to have batting pitches in domestic cricket and we would have good batsmen as a result, good spinners and strong fast-bowlers also. If pitches are such that a non-regular bowler can just come and bowl at a good length and get 5 wickets, spinners don't get the ball and in 30 overs teams are out - then neither do batsmen learn the art of batting, spinners don't get to bowl and they don't play spinners. You don't even need pace then because with pace, the ball will come onto the bat. So the most important thing with batting pitches is that spinners will develop and batsmen will learn to play long innings, no doubt on batting pitches but they will learn how to construct innings. And the most important thing: Fast-bowlers, reverse swing, bouncers, without pace they will know that they can't survive so they will have to put effort into it. All these things will also develop fitness, when you need to play tough cricket for long days. The same happens in Test cricket, teams are rarely out in one session. To win a Test match often, you need to bowl for a day or more. So players will be ready for 5 day cricket. No doubt, however the pitches are, I am happy at least that there is preparation underway. We will become mentally and physically strong and ready for tough cricket"

"When you field for 150 overs then spinners will come into the picture. My opinion is that until a spinner bowls 30-35 overs in an innings or in a day, he can't be a bowler. So the process has started and you can see teams are playing 2 or more spinners. In recent times, teams were playing 1 spinner and often the type who can also bat so that they can turn over their arm when needed. Now they have to play 2 spinners. At the end of the seasons, some names will come forward. Bilal Asif has played for Pakistan, he only played a few FC matches. Now he is bowling a lot. These type of things develop players"

"We are looking for fast-bowlers for Tests, it's not easy, it doesn't happen overnight that you go and perform in Australia but we are doing what we can. The process started with the camp and with domestic matches, the teams' coaches are aware of this as well. The pre-season briefing with the coaches - main agenda was to find fast-bowlers who can get teams out in different conditions, plus wrist-spinners because we have no backup. Now there is a wrist-spinner playing for most teams. The Australian series is close so time is less but we will do as much as we can to get a solution for this"
 
How will this happen without good pitches?
 
Never liked Misbah the player but i have heard from many quarters that the guy has an excellent cricketing brain and is a superb observer and i can see that in his interviews. Totally agree with whatever he said about domestic cricket
 
We are not going to win in Aus with bowlers like Abbas. This tour is a year too early for Afridi, Hasnain et al. But the batting has no excuse and let's see AA and Shafiq give something back.
 
We are not going to win in Aus with bowlers like Abbas. This tour is a year too early for Afridi, Hasnain et al. But the batting has no excuse and let's see AA and Shafiq give something back.
Shafiq with a career saving innings and Azhar with average of 25 , Marks it.
 
We are not going to win in Aus with bowlers like Abbas. This tour is a year too early for Afridi, Hasnain et al. But the batting has no excuse and let's see AA and Shafiq give something back.

Azhar did have a great tour last time. Realistically, we'd need Imam, Babar and Haris to fire for us to have any chance.
 
Shafiq with a career saving innings and Azhar with average of 25 , Marks it.

I agree that AS seems to produce innings to save his career but this has to be the end, unless he shows some fight and produces for the team. AA will be a little better than you say but again e needs to show that a decade of investment has been worth it.
 
At least he recognises that we need an out and out pace bowler, let's see who it will be and let's hope he recognises an out and out pacer intests should average around 140 and should have max speed of at least 150.
 
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The mental midget is not gonna do jack. That's been proven.

Lack of bowling options is a concern.

Lots of promising talent in the pipeline but one suspects this tour will be too early for them.
 
Lack of bowling options is a concern.

Lots of promising talent in the pipeline but one suspects this tour will be too early for them.

To the contrary, I'm confident of our bowlers showing up under Waqar as long as they don't pick Rahat and Imran Khan.
 
To the contrary, I'm confident of our bowlers showing up under Waqar as long as they don't pick Rahat and Imran Khan.

Agree in the medium to long term, but there is a lack of depth at the moment. Realistically, for the Australia tour it will be:

SSA
Abbas
Hasan

But who else is likely to make it in the squad?

Also, lack an out and out pacer. Nasim is the most ready but realistically even that is a long shot.
 
Agree in the medium to long term, but there is a lack of depth at the moment. Realistically, for the Australia tour it will be:

SSA
Abbas
Hasan

But who else is likely to make it in the squad?

Also, lack an out and out pacer. Nasim is the most ready but realistically even that is a long shot.

It's too early to say right now. This QEA will separate the wheat from the chaff.
 
How will this happen without good pitches?

should never change pitches at home. Wont be able yo utilize akistan's home advantage of having dead pitches.

Right now ball turns a little bit but it's more or less a flat dead pitch in u.a.e/pakistan. Keep the same pitch as it helps maintain an advantage over Pakistan's rivals.

Just create green top pitches/bouncy ones in some states. So some states in the league championship should maintain a green top which gives the players enough exposure to these bowler friendly pitches.
 
More Misbah inventions on display here. He is just making up Fake Facts now.

Flat pitches didn’t create any great Pakistan fast bowlers.

Imran Khan was Made in England. At Worcester Royal Grammar, Oxford University and Sussex.

Wasim Akram played 3 First Class matches before his Test debut. He developed his skills with a Reader Ball at Lancashire.

Waqar Younis played 4 First Class matches before his Test debut. He developed his skills with a Dukes Ball at Surrey.

Misbah has a recipe for creating Ehtesham-ud-din and Tahir Naqqash and Rashid Khan. Just what you need!
 
Flat pitches have worked in the past in giving us good bowling talent and we are seeing similar results at the moment. Guys like Hammad who averaged 21 with the ball have been utterly ineffective whereas the ones with some actual pace and bounce or good skill have done better.

I think the teams should catch on to the trend quick that trundlers, unless very skilled, won't do much when the pitches aren't helpful.

That said I still want there to be variety in the pitches used, they should hold matches on grounds like Abbottabad and Diamond Club.
 
Its simple to do well in Australia you need bowlers who are 6ft and above and bowl at 140kphs minimum. And obviously have a brain to bowl the correct length. One spinner should look to keep it tight and wicket will be a bonus.

The problem is they simply dont have many who are capable of above.
 
Flat pitches have worked in the past in giving us good bowling talent and we are seeing similar results at the moment. Guys like Hammad who averaged 21 with the ball have been utterly ineffective whereas the ones with some actual pace and bounce or good skill have done better.

I think the teams should catch on to the trend quick that trundlers, unless very skilled, won't do much when the pitches aren't helpful.

That said I still want there to be variety in the pitches used, they should hold matches on grounds like Abbottabad and Diamond Club.

That’s simply incorrect. Flat pitches kill quick bowlers.

More Misbah inventions on display here. He is just making up Fake Facts now.

Flat pitches didn’t create any great Pakistan fast bowlers.

Imran Khan was Made in England. At Worcester Royal Grammar, Oxford University and Sussex.

Wasim Akram played 3 First Class matches before his Test debut. He developed his skills with a Reader Ball at Lancashire.

Waqar Younis played 4 First Class matches before his Test debut. He developed his skills with a Dukes Ball at Surrey.

Misbah has a recipe for creating Ehtesham-ud-din and Tahir Naqqash and Rashid Khan. Just what you need!
 
Giving bowlers unrealistic conditions to bowl in makes them lazy as well.
 
Its simple to do well in Australia you need bowlers who are 6ft and above and bowl at 140kphs minimum. And obviously have a brain to bowl the correct length. One spinner should look to keep it tight and wicket will be a bonus.

The problem is they simply dont have many who are capable of above.

height isn't important. skill and ability to bowl pace is. bumrah shami are only 5'10.
bouncer, Yorker, inswing, outswing, reverse swing, cutters. Need to know all to be a complete bowler especially if you bowl under 140.
 
If that is the case, then they need produce more flat pitches.

Only the most skilled bowlers will be successful and thrive, just like the old days.

This will also revive the lost skill of reverse swing amongst Pak bowlers.
 
It's too bad Wahab retired because they are really lacking that 3rd bowling option after Abbas and Shaheen. Hard to consider Hasan with how poorly he's bowled lately. Hasnain is too raw but they may not have much of a choice.

So hopefully someone can really stand out in domestic for them to cosnider.
 
More Misbah inventions on display here. He is just making up Fake Facts now.

Flat pitches didn’t create any great Pakistan fast bowlers.

Imran Khan was Made in England. At Worcester Royal Grammar, Oxford University and Sussex.

Wasim Akram played 3 First Class matches before his Test debut. He developed his skills with a Reader Ball at Lancashire.

Waqar Younis played 4 First Class matches before his Test debut. He developed his skills with a Dukes Ball at Surrey.

Misbah has a recipe for creating Ehtesham-ud-din and Tahir Naqqash and Rashid Khan. Just what you need!

More Misbah inventions on display here. He is just making up Fake Facts now.

Flat pitches didn’t create any great Pakistan fast bowlers.

Imran Khan was Made in England. At Worcester Royal Grammar, Oxford University and Sussex.

Wasim Akram played 3 First Class matches before his Test debut. He developed his skills with a Reader Ball at Lancashire.

Waqar Younis played 4 First Class matches before his Test debut. He developed his skills with a Dukes Ball at Surrey.

Misbah has a recipe for creating Ehtesham-ud-din and Tahir Naqqash and Rashid Khan. Just what you need!

You're right about Imran Khan to a certain extent, but i think you're a bit off by applying that to Wasim and Waqar.

The two Ws may not have played that many First class games before debut, but it was years after their debut before they were both signed up to a county side. They would have played many more first class matches on those flat surfaces, thus learning what is required to take wickets.

On its own, bowling on flat surfaces doesn't make fast bowlers, but if you can't bowl on flat decks then how can you possibly be considered a good fast bowler?

This even applies to IK as well, as he didn't really set the bowling world on fire until 1976/77. Only after he started to play for PIA in 1975, he would have been given opportunity to learn how to bowl well (and fast) on dead pitches.

County cricket didn't make these bowlers but it helps exposes them to another type of bowling which they would have to master to be considered good.
 
That’s simply incorrect. Flat pitches kill quick bowlers.

That has more to do with coaching and player management, which in our domestic system happens to be extremely poor. I do support recruiting fast bowlers into the national set up at a young age like we have done in the past and also recently with Shaheen.

But flatter pitches have helped encourage fast bowlers in the past because they rendered trundlers completely ineffective unless he is highly skilled. To stand out in these sort of conditions one has to be exceptional in some aspect of fast bowling. Mind you I am not advocating for completely dead and lifeless pitches where a fast bowler has no chance, there needs to be some pace and bounce in the wicket which would also encourage good strokeplay. The pitches in the first round have been more like the UAE, bouncers were completely ineffective from the little that I had seen.

I also advocated for variety in pitches. We should be using grounds like the Diamond Club and Abbottabad which offer lateral movement as well as more pace than the rest of the country. There is a lot to be learned from bowling and batting in these conditions as well.
 
I am increasingly disappointed by Misbah's recent interviews as the man who once stood against the tide is consistently playing to the gallery. As a captain, he riled against Pakistan's pace obsession (his spinners were his most effective weapons). This is not to say there shouldnt be pace bowling options...yet Pakistan have way more now than they did when they previously toured Australia. Also, his comment about Pakistan's batting last time out is the exception, not the rule.

What the international side requires is a solid batting unit to back up a young but good bowling unit. The domestic circuit needs to concentrate on both aspects of the game, not just one.
 
I understand from where Misbah is coming and agree with him, may not be completely but definitely the issue is correctly identified. I think, we have to be careful about the wording here - most posters, including someone as knowledgeable as [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] is misled here by the term "flat" wicket.

The term shouldn't be used as "flat", rather Misbah should have rephrased it as "true" wicket. That's a wicket which has good carry, pace, bounce and enough amount of moisture/grass for new ball pacers to utilize if they can bend back and use seem/swing to their benefit. At the same time, wicket must have the tureness/consistency in terms of pace & bounce, so that batsmen can play shots confidently and use their technique/judgement in shot selection (to bat out for sessions), and there must be enough dryness/cracks on the tracks that bring spinners in the game (depending on the quality of spinners, could be even from 1st innings as well). That's actually the dream wicket for a 2 innings game, which gives a full spectrum covering all 22 players to showcase their skill set at some point of the game.

Some of the best wickets that I have seen over the years were old Adelaide track, Oval track, Barbados & Cape Town tracks and in South Asia, old Eden Gardens or Chepuak (Chennai) tracks, old Mohali as well. We have seen games there with lower 1st innings (both) followed by large 2nd innings or vice verse - those wickets take the toss out of the game. PAK's wickets are NOWHERE near "flat" or "true" - these are absolute "DEAD" wickets, which won't develop conventional "skilled" pacer, but some unconventional skills can be developed like reverse swing, cutters and obviously it'll force pacers to increase speed in air (as nothing is offered on surface). One exception I can mention is at Karachi for few years in 2000s, the wickets were really good - 2003 (?) PAK-SRL Test had A RAzzak taking 5for on Day 1 and then Kaneria taking 10for (?) or plenty of wickets in 2nd innings. 2005 PAK-IND Test (Pathatn's hat-trick Test) was also played on exceptionally good wicket.

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION], I am sure Misbah knows where those 3 (5 if you include Asif & Fazal in that list) developed their skills - I am sure whole PP knows it as well, because I have hammered that at least 256 times here in PP. But, his point wasn't about the flatness/deadness of the track only (that's the negative way of looking at a comment, to put someone down), rather look at from other end - his point was more closer to wickets which allowed Saad Altafs taking 16 wickets in ~35 overs of work or Sadaf Hussain averaging like Syd Barnes (or Kashif Bhatti like Headley Verity) - and he is BANG on here. I wrote in my review of 1st round (QeA Trophy) that of the two evils, I'll always take these wickets rather than the previous ones ...... BUT obviously, target should be to prepare wickets like the 2016 Oval track which allowed a dominating result for the tourists backed by some of the worst nightmares of your PP life - Sohail (Khan) & Yasir taking 5fors in 1st & 3rd innings of the game, and YK hitting double in 2nd innings.

No, damp green wickets are not ideal either for developing pace bowlers either - it's the synonymous version of a rank turner. I can give you a perfect example - Anderson & Broad; their Ashes record in Australia does speak about it - and by that, Ravi Ashwin should get lot more credit. I give you another example and this one is killer - Freddi Trueman averages 20 in UK, 28 in Australia and 32 in West Indies (& 14 in NZ against 1950s NZ), for a career average of 21. At the same generation, someone Raymond Russell Lindwall had a career average of 23 and individual average of 22.5 in AUS, 21 in ENG, 21 in SAF & 23 in IND - that's completeness of a fast bowler, developed on those hard, scratchy and uncompromising true Australian wickets, where you can't go through the motions and allow wickets to do the rest. DK Lillee also averages 23.78 in AUS & 21+ in UK for his career average of 23.62 ...... can't say that for English pacers - take out their English average, doesn't look that great - even Woakes is a borderline ATG on "Typical" English tracks!!!!!.

PCB should look more close to Australia than England in terms of it's human resource development for preparing wickets. The reason - PAK isn't bankrupt like England when it comes to spinners. Spin must have a significant role in PAK's game plan and there are several brilliant prospects available, some of whom can be developed into world class operators on true wickets. Yasir Shah actually is a faulty product of these type of tracks that Misbah hinting - tracks which has made him almost invisible in UAE & WIN, but hopeless on truer tracks. There are quality prospects, who can operate on true wickets, one example was Mushi - between 1996 to 1998, he had an 8s wicket game at Lord's, 9 wickets games at Oval, Hobart, SCG and a 10 wickets game at Christchurch. He was born as probably 10 years old (:, hence didn't last long in international circuit but after retirement, even at that young age (for that beard color and hairline) he did torment English County for half a decade for Sussex, IN ENGLAND - so, it's possible and PAK should look to build on their core strength, which is specialist wicket taking attack based on a combo of skilled pacers and master spinners, rather than trying a Mickey Arthur way of inventing an all-rounder out of Faheem Ashraf or Mo Nawaz.
 
More Misbah inventions on display here. He is just making up Fake Facts now.

Flat pitches didn’t create any great Pakistan fast bowlers.

Imran Khan was Made in England. At Worcester Royal Grammar, Oxford University and Sussex.

Wasim Akram played 3 First Class matches before his Test debut. He developed his skills with a Reader Ball at Lancashire.

Waqar Younis played 4 First Class matches before his Test debut. He developed his skills with a Dukes Ball at Surrey.

Misbah has a recipe for creating Ehtesham-ud-din and Tahir Naqqash and Rashid Khan. Just what you need!

Wow, your observations can divide opinion, but the above is genuinely hilarious!

So, you've taken three fast bowlers from the ENTIRETY of Pakistan's existence as a Test nation and used their examples in county cricket to make your argument, which has more holes than (add any metaphor you like).

So:

1) Are we precluding the skills that some of these players developed whilst playing in club cricket in Pakistan in their early careers, or that they may have picked up from good Pakistani coaching in the nets whilst they were developing?

2) Did no other other Pakistani bowlers of good repute develop on flat tracks? Do Sarfaraz Nawaz, Shoaib Akhtar, Mohammed Asif, Amir, Rana Naved and a young Umar Gul not count? Reducing the examples to all time greats developing at county grounds is a partial look at the facts at best.

3) The point Misbah made is that flat wickets, offer no assistance to bowlers and thus help bowlers to think on their feet, build up fitness and a strong mental resolve to get batsman out. It may also actually help bowlers start developing reverse swing again, which you barely see from Pakistan bowlers on a consistent basis in international cricket, barring Wahab. The substandard pitches of the past have at best not provided a true picture of the capabilities of a bowler. Flat pitches will highlight difference makers. Once selected for domestic performances, it's for them to further develop their skills under Waqar at the NCA.

4) I take the point that over bowling quicks on placid pitches can bring about injury. But with smart resource management by captains and coaching staff, their workload can be managed to prevent injury.

5) Your post has this thinly veiled 'If it's foreign, it's better' theme to it, as most of your observations do. The whole point of rebooting the domestic setup, (including flat pitches), is so that we can develop quicks in Pakistan, who then become successes in the national team and THEN refine their skills in county cricket. The system will take two to three years to unearth some gems and refine the ones we know about (Naseem et al.). So, picking holes in the new set up, including flat pitches, when you haven't seen the future results of the system, is unhelpful at best and boring at worst.

We get that you don't like Misbah, but let's be patient and see how the first two seasons in this new domestic set up go before going into know-it-all naysayer mode.
 
why not try that left-hand bowler who is playing county cricket in England? forgot his name but he can swing both ways
 
why not try that left-hand bowler who is playing county cricket in England? forgot his name but he can swing both ways

Are you referring to Mir Hamza? He is playing in QAE trophy for Sindh and is in the mix of pacers for tests at the moment.
 
I agree with these changes. With flatter wickets its a win win situation. You will have batsmen with loads of runs, confidence and plenty of experience with playing long innings. You will have fast bowlers who will be battle hardened and be forced to build their strength up, up their pace, develop reverse swing or make maximum use of the new ball. Spinners are going to be bowling a lot of overs and each team will need atleast 2 spinners as a result bowling 30 plus overs every innings to give the pacers and the rest of the bowling attack a breather. Heck batsmen will be forced to turn their arm over
 
why not try that left-hand bowler who is playing county cricket in England? forgot his name but he can swing both ways

Are you referring to Mir Hamza? He is playing in QAE trophy for Sindh and is in the mix of pacers for tests at the moment.

Mir Hamza is a genuine trundling machine. No pace, no zip.

He would succeed only on green mambas, no skillset for true pitches.
 
I would much rather have Hussnain and SSA going with Abbas to Aus than Rahat Ali... dont think there was a worse bowler to have played for pak in recent memory .... if anyone can name a worse bowler, would be surprised
 
Azhar Ali:

"It's been 5-7 years since we've been struggling with proper fast-bowlers not coming through. I think a major reason for that was FC cricket and the balls being used, along with the type of wickets. Medium pacers were taking wickets and teams would be bowled out in 40 overs, openers were almost out of the game and losing 3 early wickets was almost guaranteed. Conditions were such that I think bowlers generating pace weren't encouraged. This season, fast-bowlers aren't taking so many wickets because in the last 5-7 years, they haven't had to bowl fast or put in effort. Now all this is changing and I think with flatter wickets, or conditions that don't just assist swing bowling, you will have to put effort and more bowlers will show up"
 
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