Misbah-ul-Haq vs Sourav Ganguly as captain

[Haroon786]

Now this is getting desperate.

Are you sure the wickets in Pakistan during Imran's time weren't "doctored" and were all fair and square to the tourists?

Pakistani wickets for Tests have tended to be flat which is counterintuitive as their strength has always been fast bowlers, so their pitches haven't really been suited to their team.

Indian pitches have almost always been suited to their spinners and one of the best examples is Harbhajan taking a bucket loaf of wickets in that series that your Ind Supporter is continually trumpeting.

 

[Haroon786]

Its not only about how many years. Ask anyone in this forum if Steve Waugh's Australian team is an ATG or not. I myself admit WI team was better was Australian team was damb good.

But IK couldnt beat WI...where as Ganguly beat the Aust side

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That doesn't matter ? Of course it matters, it proves my point that the WI were a level above the Australian team and that almost beating them is one of the greatest accomplishments of IK's and had it not been for home umpires, the series would have been Pakistan's.

 

[Indian_Supporter]

Now this is getting desperate.

Are you sure the wickets in Pakistan during Imran's time weren't "doctored" and were all fair and square to the tourists?

Entertain them. As per them Imram Khan is the best thing to have happened in cricket in everything

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[Indian_Supporter]

That doesn't matter ? Of course it matters, it proves my point that the WI were a level above the Australian team and that almost beating them is one of the greatest accomplishments of IK's and had it not been for home umpires, the series would have been Pakistan's.

Almost beaten has no relevance. As I mentioned above Windies lost 3 times in late 70s and they were a pretty good team even then. On the other hand Ganguly beaten the ATG Aussie side. So its obvious who is better.

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[street cricketer]

Pakistani wickets for Tests have tended to be flat which is counterintuitive as their strength has always been fast bowlers, so their pitches haven't really been suited to their team.

Indian pitches have almost always been suited to their spinners and one of the best examples is Harbhajan taking a bucket loaf of wickets in that series that your Ind Supporter is continually trumpeting.

There have been definitely flat wickets in Pakistan over the years, just like Sri Lanka had their fair share at the SSC and India had similar wickets too.

But almost all the wickets in Pakistan during the 70s and 80s were super flat so much so that it was not uncommon to see 5 match series ending 1-0 or even 0-0. And doctoring doesn't only mean accentuating one's own strengths, but it also means negating the opposition's strengths.

 

[Haroon786]

Almost beaten has no relevance. As I mentioned above Windies lost 3 times in late 70s and they were a pretty good team even then. On the other hand Ganguly beaten the ATG Aussie side. So its obvious who is better.

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In 15 years, that WI team didn't lose a single Test series - the only team that gave them a fight over that period was Imran's Pakistan.

On the other hand, Australia lost twice in their decade or so of dominance, so they weren't as invincible as the WI team and thus IK's feat is better.

 

[Haroon786]

There have been definitely flat wickets in Pakistan over the years, just like Sri Lanka had their fair share at the SSC and India had similar wickets too.

But almost all the wickets in Pakistan during the 70s and 80s were super flat so much so that it was not uncommon to see 5 match series ending 1-0 or even 0-0. And doctoring doesn't only mean accentuating one's own strengths, but it also means negating the opposition's strengths.

They were flat even when IK was at his peak, the greatest peak of all time of any fast bowler ever and even then the wickets were flat.

I'm not saying that at time they weren't doctored but flat wickets hardly helped Pakistan when their strength was fast bowling.

India, on the other hand had wickets tailored for them.

 

[Indian_Supporter]

In 15 years, that WI team didn't lose a single Test series - the only team that gave them a fight over that period was Imran's Pakistan.

On the other hand, Australia lost twice in their decade or so of dominance, so they weren't as invincible as the WI team and thus IK's feat is better.

But why are only considering 15 years? Windies was an ATG team since 75 and 3 team beaten them since. Aussies and SA gave them tough fight after 80s as well. Its not only about Imran always.

On the other hand Australia was unbeaten in test cricket since 1999 and was a fantastic test team. Ganguly lead a young Indian team (bowlimg wise) and beat them in the most historical series.

For me Ganguly's achievement is much more for a simple fact that actually winning is much bigger than giving a fight/would have won without umpiring blunder etc.

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[90MPH]

Ganguly better than Imran Khan ??

What a load of bullocks.

I have heard and read it all now. Where was Gangullys wonderful leadership during Paks 2005 tour ??

Maybe he's slightly better than Misbah but only just and many will not agree. But no he's not even close to Imran, including man management skills and bringing out so players especially fast bowlers.

 

[street cricketer]

They were flat even when IK was at his peak, the greatest peak of all time of any fast bowler ever and even then the wickets were flat.

I'm not saying that at time they weren't doctored but flat wickets hardly helped Pakistan when their strength was fast bowling.

India, on the other hand had wickets tailored for them.

Yeah but Pakistan's biggest opponents during Imran's time were the Windies which had the fearsome pace quartet playing for them. Preparing pacy tracks would've been suicidal and the Windies batsmen were no mugs either.

 

[Prince_]

Maybe he's slightly better than Misbah but only just and many will not agree. But no he's not even close to Imran, including man management skills and bringing out so players especially fast bowlers.

U've just shown ur ignorance and lack of knowledge on this topic by uttering those last lines.

M.kaif, harbhajan, Zaheer khan, Sehwag, Yuvraj......... Do these names ring a bell to u? Do u have any idea about who has groomed these players or who has backed them when some of these players were going through some rough patches at the beginning of their career??

 

[Surf]

Misbah vs Sourav Ganguly in Tests Only

This is a TEST FORMAT comparison not ODIS so don't bring that into the argument.

In all of the matches that both have captained their teams, Ganguly has won 5 test series in total against top 8 teams of the time, South Africa, Australia, England, New Zealand, Sri lanka, Pakistan, West indies HOME AND AWAY. In total Ganguly has won 12 matches against these teams and Misbah has won 5 more matches while having captained about the same amount of matches against these teams.

Whereas Misbah has won 6 test series ,against top 8 teams of the time, South Africa , England, India, Sri Lanka, New Zealand, West Indies, Australia HOME AND AWAY. Misbah has won 17 test matches while Ganguly 12 against these teams.

Ganguly has won a whopping 0 series in New Zealand, West Indies, England, Australia, South Africa with an ATG Indian team with the likes of Sehwag, Gambhir, Dravid, Sachin, Laxman, Zaheer, Kumble, Harbajan and Ganguly himself. He even couldn't beat the mediocre New Zealand team (where he got whitewashed) with these great players just goes to show that he was a poor captain in TESTS. Ganguly captained in 6 more matches than Misbah in these countries with the great players listed above still couldn't win a series also having captained 1 more series there than Misbah.

Misbah has captained in less matches and has Won 1 series in Australia, England, New Zealand, South Africa, West Indies with just 2 great players. While having captained in 6 less matches in these countries than Ganguly and having won a series there while having captained one less series in those countries than Ganguly.

Just goes to show that Ganguly had far better players on his hands ( 9 of 11 India's players in that teams were Indian greats) and yet still couldn't win a single series away from Asia against top 8 teams while Misbah with more worse resources won 1 series away from Asia and captained his team in not home territory but neutral territory and still managed win more series than Ganguly captaining at home shows how great as a captain and a leader Misbah is and how overrated, and over hyped Ganguly is in TESTS.

 

[Haroon786]

Yeah but Pakistan's biggest opponents during Imran's time were the Windies which had the fearsome pace quartet playing for them. Preparing pacy tracks would've been suicidal and the Windies batsmen were no mugs either.

They tended to be flat irrespective of the opposition.

 

[Haroon786]

But why are only considering 15 years? Windies was an ATG team since 75 and 3 team beaten them since. Aussies and SA gave them tough fight after 80s as well. Its not only about Imran always.

On the other hand Australia was unbeaten in test cricket since 1999 and was a fantastic test team. Ganguly lead a young Indian team (bowlimg wise) and beat them in the most historical series.

For me Ganguly's achievement is much more for a simple fact that actually winning is much bigger than giving a fight/would have won without umpiring blunder etc.

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The more famous series win vs Australia is the 2005 Ashes win for England.

Just because it is a bigger feat for you, doesn't mean that the same holds for the majority of people.

 

[Indian_Supporter]

The more famous series win vs Australia is the 2005 Ashes win for England.

Just because it is a bigger feat for you, doesn't mean that the same holds for the majority of people.

No the series against India they were coming at the back of 16 test wins. Won the first test in Mumbai and followed on India at the Gardens. From there India went onto win the series.

Just because you demeaning it says nothing. Fact remains, Ganguly achieved more as a skipper than IK.

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[Haroon786]

No the series against India they were coming at the back of 16 test wins. Won the first test in Mumbai and followed on India at the Gardens. From there India went onto win the series.

Just because you demeaning it says nothing. Fact remains, Ganguly achieved more as a skipper than IK.

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Lol, you can poll it anywhere on cricinfo, cricbuzz, the icc website or even on here and the 2005 series will almost certainly come out on top. It is a significant achievement, one of the greatest accolades a skipper can have but that is trumped by IK's battles with the greatest team in history.

As a skipper, IK had the more significant achievements through his leadership and hence is the best captain from the SC.

 

[Indian_Supporter]

Lol, you can poll it anywhere on cricinfo, cricbuzz, the icc website or even on here and the 2005 series will almost certainly come out on top. It is a significant achievement, one of the greatest accolades a skipper can have but that is trumped by IK's battles with the greatest team in history.

As a skipper, IK had the more significant achievements through his leadership and hence is the best captain from the SC.

Why dont you poll in cricinfo? As I said repeating every time Imran is greatest dosent make him one. Ganguly has better stats than Ik...so no doubt Ganguly is better. He also beat an ATG team which IK failed to do. I am pretty sure who is better...you can open a poll if any doubt..lol.

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[Haroon786]

Why dont you poll in cricinfo? As I said repeating every time Imran is greatest dosent make him one. Ganguly has better stats than Ik...so no doubt Ganguly is better. He also beat an ATG team which IK failed to do. I am pretty sure who is better...you can open a poll if any doubt..lol.

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Constantly blowing Ganguly's horn doesn't make any difference, he's not the best. Also please read posts properly, comprehension problems seem to affect every poster I interact with on here.

You're right Ganguly does have better stats than Imran as a captain but so does Misbah have better stats than Ganguly. Sangakarra is also better in Tests by this metric than SRT. Unfortunately, this metric doesn't take into account that Imran gave Pakistan it's first series wins in England, India and white washed Australia at home, effectively beat the GOAT team away from home in their fortress and competed damn hard in the other two series they faced off in. None of Ganguly's achievements match up with Imran's, an utter shame considering he had the better team under his captaincy.

 

[Anik Sharma]

Misbah ul haq is comfortably better than Sourav Ganguly.
Sorry Indians but that's the truth.

... no doubt Ganguly is better. He also beat an ATG team which IK failed to do. I am pretty sure who is better...you can open a poll if any doubt..lol.

Only if Indain Posters remain unbiased then Misbah will win 3/1 against Ganguly in a poll. But I am doubtfull about neutrality of Indian fans so Ganguly might give a fight but should still lose.

 

[Indian_Supporter]

Constantly blowing Ganguly's horn doesn't make any difference, he's not the best. Also please read posts properly, comprehension problems seem to affect every poster I interact with on here.

You're right Ganguly does have better stats than Imran as a captain but so does Misbah have better stats than Ganguly. Sangakarra is also better in Tests by this metric than SRT. Unfortunately, this metric doesn't take into account that Imran gave Pakistan it's first series wins in England, India and white washed Australia at home, effectively beat the GOAT team away from home in their fortress and competed damn hard in the other two series they faced off in. None of Ganguly's achievements match up with Imran's, an utter shame considering he had the better team under his captaincy.

Same goes for you. Constantly rambling about IK does not make him a better skipper.

As I said before Misbah's stats are flawed because of playing against inferior team. Same for MS Dhoni whose win% is much higher than Imran but he was not a great test leader.

Ganguly gas beaten quality teams and got better captaincy record than Imran. Not sure why its so tough to understand.

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[ali2220]

Constantly blowing Ganguly's horn doesn't make any difference, he's not the best. Also please read posts properly, comprehension problems seem to affect every poster I interact with on here.

You're right Ganguly does have better stats than Imran as a captain but so does Misbah have better stats than Ganguly. Sangakarra is also better in Tests by this metric than SRT. Unfortunately, this metric doesn't take into account that Imran gave Pakistan it's first series wins in England, India and white washed Australia at home, effectively beat the GOAT team away from home in their fortress and competed damn hard in the other two series they faced off in. None of Ganguly's achievements match up with Imran's, an utter shame considering he had the better team under his captaincy.

You are wasting your time trying to talk sense in him, you simply can't compare stats of players of different era which he has been doing.Most ppl know who the better captain was, let him live in his own foolish world.

 

[street cricketer]

They tended to be flat irrespective of the opposition.

Yeah but we are talking about the windies here. How does the other oppositions come into the picture?

 

[abc_to_xyz]

For me, both had different roles to play.
But one thing that can be highlighted is the fact that ganguly was almost disliked by the nation in most of this career. I remember him being kicked out. On the other hand, Misbah's popularity ever since 2011 is on the rise.

I would rate both Imran and Ganguly below Misbah because Misbah is almost doing an unrealistic job as a captain. Very un-Pakistani, while Imran Khan and Ganguly were nothing but one-dimensional bulls who knew nothing except aggression and only survived because of the immense talent their teams had back then. Both of them would not last more than an year in modern-day crickrt. On the other hand, Misbah is doing it with almost 0 gun-players in his squad which is unmatched in history.

I would rate Dhoni little above both of them as he's been the complete package. But Misbah is pretty much the best among Pakistani captains, the one I've seen atleast.

 

[Big Mac]

Misbah is the better captain but Ganguly twirling his shirt above his head on the Lords balcony might be my favourite thing any captain has ever done.

That's almost press-ups levels of swag right there

Absolutely loved how Ganguly constantly got under everybody's skin, master trolls like Ganguly and Ranatunga will always have a place in my heart.

 

[Tusker]

So Pakistan beat a weak Australia and then the point is made that India drew with an ATG Aussies away from home, dont you mean India drew against an Australian team missing some of their 2 main world class strike bowlers...? lets not get to carried away with indias draw against an under strength aussie side.

Ditto with Imran. The most famous win under Imran vs WI IN WI happened when all the big stars of WI were missing either thru injury or recent retirements. Have a look at this score card .... its missing Viv and Marshall and Ambrose is playing his first test.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63481.html

Also when People talk about *THE* WI team it is the team that was captained by Clive Lloyd. As fate would have it both never came up against each other in Tests when Imran was Captain. There were Only 2 ODI's both won by WI.

 

[Tridibans_16]

In your own words, common man does not care about those drawn test series and people remember moments like winning a WC which Ganguly failed to do. So, no point in bringing up that series from 2002 and that too when England was a nothing team.

You are funny man,..... On one hand you are celebrating Misbah DRAWING test series in England while on the other hand Ganguly's drawn series in England is not of any importance to you

Misbah away from home (non Asian conditions):

1 drawn series in ENG

Ganguly away from home

Drawn series in Eng, Aus (that too at their peak)

 

[Haroon786]

Yeah but we are talking about the windies here. How does the other oppositions come into the picture?

You said they had an incentive to have flat pitches against the WI, but I said they tended to have flats against all teams.

Understand now ?

 

[shaz619]

Intresting discussion between Indian Supporter and Haroon, I will elaborate on one point in particular after breakfast which is being used to emphasise the greatness of a captain. Stay tuned.

 

[Haroon786]

Same goes for you. Constantly rambling about IK does not make him a better skipper.

As I said before Misbah's stats are flawed because of playing against inferior team. Same for MS Dhoni whose win% is much higher than Imran but he was not a great test leader.

Ganguly gas beaten quality teams and got better captaincy record than Imran. Not sure why its so tough to understand.

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Again the same old circular logic - that doesn't prove anything, Imran still has the more significant accomplishments and thus being the better captain.

If Misbah has played against inferior teams, then it also balances out because he's played with an inferior team in comparison to Ganguly. Statistically, Misbah is better and that's a fact.

Not sure why that is hard to understand.

 

[Haroon786]

You are wasting your time trying to talk sense in him, you simply can't compare stats of players of different era which he has been doing.Most ppl know who the better captain was, let him live in his own foolish world.

True - that is the issue of discussing with such level of posters, they drag you down to their level and then keep repeating the same BS.

Everyone knows that IK is the better captain.

 

[Haroon786]

Intresting discussion between Indian Supporter and Haroon, I will elaborate on one point in particular after breakfast which is being used to emphasise the greatness of a captain. Stay tuned.

If it wasn't about IK, I wouldn't have stupidly continued to ramble on with this person but since it is, I am.

 

[Indian_Supporter]

Again the same old circular logic - that doesn't prove anything, Imran still has the more significant accomplishments and thus being the better captain.

If Misbah has played against inferior teams, then it also balances out because he's played with an inferior team in comparison to Ganguly. Statistically, Misbah is better and that's a fact.

Not sure why that is hard to understand.

Imran does not have more significant achievements and that is the point you are missing. Ganguly has beaten the greatest Steve Waugh's Australian team but IK only gave good fight to the ATG WI team but never able to beat them in 4 attempts.

No doubt Ganguly has bigger achievements and greater skipper than IK.

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[Indian_Supporter]

You are wasting your time trying to talk sense in him, you simply can't compare stats of players of different era which he has been doing.Most ppl know who the better captain was, let him live in his own foolish world.

So we cannot compare stats between players just when Imran's stats look inferior. But we can compare Misbah with Ganguly who also played in different generations? Hypocracy of Pak posters has no bound.

This thread was a troll thread opened after euphoria of Oval win to somehow compare Misbah with Ganguly based on stats. But when I used the same logic of Ganguly with Imran, we cant compare cross eras.

Hahahah...OP along with Haroon being owned on this thread.

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[Haroon786]

Imran does not have more significant achievements and that is the point you are missing. Ganguly has beaten the greatest Steve Waugh's Australian team but IK only gave good fight to the ATG WI team but never able to beat them in 4 attempts.

No doubt Ganguly has bigger achievements and greater skipper than IK.

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I already outlined IK's achievements - beat England in England for the very first time in Pakistani history, beat them at home too, beat India in India for the very first time in Pakistani history, fought and beat the WI barring home umpires, as well as drawing two other series vs them (the GOAT team) - guess who led the team from the front and won the MOS in most of these series ? IK. Furthermore, he whitewashed Australia at home too. He led the team to their first ever no 1 Test ranking. He discovered Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis and Inzamam ul Haq who all had great careers for Pakistan. He left the team far better than he had joined it. His influence and impact as captain was such that no captain other than perhaps Misbah has been able to replicate his stature as captain from Asia. This is also without going into his ODI captaincy or talking about some of his less famous Test achievements. Another thing I'd like to add is that IK could easily and I mean easily have had plenty more victories but he decided to sit out series vs minnows and weak teams since they didn't motivate him to play and skipper.

That is my case for IK and no doubt he is certainly the best skipper from Asia.

 

[Hitman]

For me, both had different roles to play.
But one thing that can be highlighted is the fact that ganguly was almost disliked by the nation in most of this career. I remember him being kicked out. On the other hand, Misbah's popularity ever since 2011 is on the rise.

I would rate both Imran and Ganguly below Misbah because Misbah is almost doing an unrealistic job as a captain. Very un-Pakistani, while Imran Khan and Ganguly were nothing but one-dimensional bulls who knew nothing except aggression and only survived because of the immense talent their teams had back then. Both of them would not last more than an year in modern-day crickrt. On the other hand, Misbah is doing it with almost 0 gun-players in his squad which is unmatched in history.

I would rate Dhoni little above both of them as he's been the complete package. But Misbah is pretty much the best among Pakistani captains, the one I've seen atleast.

Ganguly was disliked by a lot of fans during his captaincy tenure because of his arrogance and ego. Fans tolerated him till he was able to justify his arrogance with performance. But since 2003 he lost his form and it was then that fans really, really started disliking him. He came back a completely different person in late 2006, his arrogance disappeared and fans started liking and respecting him since then. I myself hated Ganguly with a passion until he was captain because of his larger than life ego. But since his comeback in late 2006, I started respecting him.

 

[Indian_Supporter]

I already outlined IK's achievements - beat England in England for the very first time in Pakistani history, beat them at home too, beat India in India for the very first time in Pakistani history, fought and beat the WI barring home umpires, as well as drawing two other series vs them (the GOAT team) - guess who led the team from the front and won the MOS in most of these series ? IK. Furthermore, he whitewashed Australia at home too. He led the team to their first ever no 1 Test ranking. He discovered Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis and Inzamam ul Haq who all had great careers for Pakistan. He left the team far better than he had joined it. His influence and impact as captain was such that no captain other than perhaps Misbah has been able to replicate his stature as captain from Asia. This is also without going into his ODI captaincy or talking about some of his less famous Test achievements. Another thing I'd like to add is that IK could easily and I mean easily have had plenty more victories but he decided to sit out series vs minnows and weak teams since they didn't motivate him to play and skipper.

That is my case for IK and no doubt he is certainly the best skipper from Asia.

I have also outline Saurav's achievement similar way - Beat Pakistan in Pakistan, Beat ATG Aussie team, drawn against the ATG Aussie team in aust, beat Eng etc.

However the only thing that makes Ganguly superior is that he beat the ATG team in his era which Imran failed. Also the stats of Ganguly were significantly better.

So according to me Ganguly was better.

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[Indian_Supporter]

Anyway I am out of this thread. Lesson to OP...never open these kind of chest thumping threads. If we start digging starts many of your ex legends will go down the brink.

Good luck

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[Haroon786]

I have also outline Saurav's achievement similar way - Beat Pakistan in Pakistan, Beat ATG Aussie team, drawn against the ATG Aussie team in aust, beat Eng etc.

However the only thing that makes Ganguly superior is that he beat the ATG team in his era which Imran failed. Also the stats of Ganguly were significantly better.

So according to me Ganguly was better.

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IK's achievements are more significant and at this stage, you're just regurgitating the same things. If you have nothing new to add then I suggest to stop this conversation right here.

IK is better tho.

 

[Indian_Supporter]

IK's achievements are more significant and at this stage, you're just regurgitating the same things. If you have nothing new to add then I suggest to stop this conversation right here.

IK is better tho.

You are also reiterating the same thing...witout giving any justification what hos achievements are better. Yes lets stop.

But Ganguly is better

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[Hitman]

The difference between Imran and Ganguly is that Imran always led from the front in terms of performance. No one was better than Imran from the Pak team during his captaincy tenure. No one could point a finger at Imran for his performance. On the other hand, Ganguly was below average since 2003 till the end of his captaincy tenure in terms of his own performance. Therein lies the difference.

 

[street cricketer]

You said they had an incentive to have flat pitches against the WI, but I said they tended to have flats against all teams.

Understand now ?

Yeah and Indian tracks were always the same. Some took turn, some were flat tracks, some were balanced and the odd rank turner. If they were "doctored", teams wouldn't have scored 400s and 500s on those pitches in the past.

Doctored pitches are what you saw in the last India South Africa series.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Misbah slightly edges Ganguly as captain while Imran is just miles ahead of both. So it's pretty simple for me

Imran
Misbah
Ganguly

In this particular order.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Yeah and Indian tracks were always the same. Some took turn, some were flat tracks, some were balanced and the odd rank turner. If they were "doctored", teams wouldn't have scored 400s and 500s on those pitches in the past.

Doctored pitches are what you saw in the last India South Africa series.

And what we'll see from now onward.

 

[street cricketer]

And what we'll see from now onward.

Yeah I don't deny it.

Thing is, we aren't alone in doing it.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Yeah I don't deny it.

Thing is, we aren't alone in doing it.

And you shouldn't deny it or feel bad about it.

 

[street cricketer]

I like how Haroon and Indian supporter add "No doubt Imran/Ganguly was the best captain from Asia" at the end of every post

 

[Haroon786]

Yeah and Indian tracks were always the same. Some took turn, some were flat tracks, some were balanced and the odd rank turner. If they were "doctored", teams wouldn't have scored 400s and 500s on those pitches in the past.

Doctored pitches are what you saw in the last India South Africa series.

They catered to their strength, which makes sense but Pakistani wickets even when our fast bowling was at our best and was comfortably better than our spin bowling (no disrespect to Qadir, Mushy and Saqlain) we tended to produce flat tracks which boosted the home average of our batsmen but only tended to result in draws.

I think in the 80s, most of the Test matches between India and Pakistan ended in draws.

 

[Haroon786]

I like how Haroon and Indian supporter add "No doubt Imran/Ganguly was the best captain from Asia" at the end of every post

I don't normally go down the troll route.

However there is no doubt that IK was, is and always will be the best captain from Asia.

 

[street cricketer]

They catered to their strength, which makes sense but Pakistani wickets even when our fast bowling was at our best and was comfortably better than our spin bowling (no disrespect to Qadir, Mushy and Saqlain) we tended to produce flat tracks which boosted the home average of our batsmen but only tended to result in draws.

I think in the 80s, most of the Test matches between India and Pakistan ended in draws.

I know it were all flat tracks then in Pakistan but it was actually beneficial while facing the West indies. Their strength was their pace quartet and producing a fast track to suit the Pakistani pacers would have actually played into the hands of the West Indies more than Pakistan.

 

[Haroon786]

I know it were all flat tracks then in Pakistan but it was actually beneficial while facing the West indies. Their strength was their pace quartet and producing a fast track to suit the Pakistani pacers would have actually played into the hands of the West Indies more than Pakistan.

You mentioned that before and I acknowledged that before too - I agree it would have, but I would also have backed Imran and Wasim to do well.

I think had they been more receptive to the different type of opponents they faced at home, there probably would not have been as many draws as there were. With this, you also have to take into account the weather, the slower RR of the era etc.

 

[street cricketer]

You mentioned that before and I acknowledged that before too - I agree it would have, but I would also have backed Imran and Wasim to do well.

I think had they been more receptive to the different type of opponents they faced at home, there probably would not have been as many draws as there were. With this, you also have to take into account the weather, the slower RR of the era etc.

Yeah certainly Imran and Wasim were champions, but with due respect to Pakistan's batting line up then, the Windies batting line up would've had more chances of coming unscathed than the Pak batting against the windies pacers on a fast track.

 

[Haroon786]

Yeah certainly Imran and Wasim were champions, but with due respect to Pakistan's batting line up then, the Windies batting line up would've had more chances of coming unscathed than the Pak batting against the windies pacers on a fast track.

Our strength was always movement rather than out and out pace. So, rather than a quick track, a more seamer track similar to the 8-15 Broad took on last year and the match would be really interesting.

 

[Hitman]

Bump ...

Your opinions now?

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Shouldn't be a comparison at all. Comparing ganguly with Misbah is an injustice and shame to DADA. Ganguly transformed a nothing team into world beaters in his tenure with his attacking style of captaincy and blooding fresh faces. India was a poor fielding team compared PAKISTAN then but now look at their standards and pak now. Back then only Azharuddin and Dravid are good fielders compared to the bests. He made kaif and yuvi the mainstays of middle order. He limited laxman to tests only when he got better LOI players. He got the captaincy at a good age and left the team gracefully when he foresee that he would become a burden later. Cannot find the comparison to Misbah at any level.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Shouldn't be a comparison at all. Comparing ganguly with Misbah is an injustice and shame to DADA. Ganguly transformed a nothing team into world beaters in his tenure with his attacking style of captaincy and blooding fresh faces. India was a poor fielding team compared PAKISTAN then but now look at their standards and pak now. Back then only Azharuddin and Dravid are good fielders compared to the bests. He made kaif and yuvi the mainstays of middle order. He limited laxman to tests only when he got better LOI players. He got the captaincy at a good age and left the team gracefully when he foresee that he would become a burden later. Cannot find the comparison to Misbah at any level.

Ganguly had players like Dravid, Sachin, Sewag, Yuvraj, even was backed by Agarkar, India were a decent side. Sachin's captaincy and his selfishness kinda messed up India and created internal politics, who were Misbah's assassins? Asad Shafiq? Azhar Ali? Umar Akmal?

Misbah made a team of zeroes into heroes, Misbah is like Sylar from Heroes

 

[sarmad1983]

this thread is laughable but still very entertaining. if you have watched the test matches that were led by both ganguly and misbah, one can easily see that ganguly was a much much better captain. and to compare ganguly to Imran khan; that is even more absurd. Imran is considered to one of the best captain of All time. come on people.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Ganguly was a far superior captain. He left Indian team with the likes of Dhoni, Sehwag, Yuvraj, etc. Misbah has left Pakistan with Azhar and Asad.

 

[Princejain191]

How did this thread ever become a thing. Ganguly was a better tactician, man-manager and leader. India became a force in tests away only in his tenure. Pakistan is far from being one, ofcourse the England series will always remain but come on people.

 

[Pollack]

I respect misbah a lot.
My favourite Pakistani cricketer.

Ganguly is better captain though.

 

[Hasan123]

Ganguly easily.

 

[Kamil1979]

No no no, No way to compare misbah with SG, ganguly is far better batsman as well as captain than Misbah, if we remove DXB-AD-SHJ wickets and Saeed Ajman and Yasir Shah from misbah dictionary then we will not find any win

 

[StreetSmart]

Misbah is a better captain as compared to Ganguly in Test cricket Misbah took the new team and made it a good one. Ganguly had the services of Sachin, Kumble, Srinath and Prasad

 

[StreetSmart]

No no no, No way to compare misbah with SG, ganguly is far better batsman as well as captain than Misbah, if we remove DXB-AD-SHJ wickets and Saeed Ajman and Yasir Shah from misbah dictionary then we will not find any win

Then why dont you remove Bhajji, Sachin, Laxman, Srinath, Kumble, Prasad, Sehwag ?

 

[Speedster777]

Misbah is the worst captain to have for any modern team. No comparison.

 

[Ab Fan]

Ganguly by a distance.

Misbah had a chance to surpass him if he would led his team to series win in AUS.

 

[Kamil1979]

Then why dont you remove Bhajji, Sachin, Laxman, Srinath, Kumble, Prasad, Sehwag ?

SG himself was the great attacking batsmen and skipper, he took Indian team to top level, the biggest achievement for him was drew the series in Australia and he was the second best runs scored in that series, he set the bench mark like yuvraj, dhoni, kaif and many more and one of the best quality he had he played under MS captaincy, myu question from you is is misbah can play under sarfaraz? The best words Rashid Latif used for him n his friends is QABILA, so misbah is responsible for all this result in terms of ranking

 

[ali2220]

SG himself was the great attacking batsmen and skipper, he took Indian team to top level, the biggest achievement for him was drew the series in Australia and he was the second best runs scored in that series, he set the bench mark like yuvraj, dhoni, kaif and many more and one of the best quality he had he played under MS captaincy, myu question from you is is misbah can play under sarfaraz? The best words Rashid Latif used for him n his friends is QABILA, so misbah is responsible for all this result in terms of ranking

I'm a big critic of Misbah, especially his captaincy, however i must say that Misbah is still an honorable man.He doesn't have an ego like Afridi and don't think Misbah will have great issues in playing under Sarf.Like most captains from Pak, he had his weakness and he supported his friends/yes men like Hafeez/Ajmal/Babr etc over more deserving youngsters, but its also a fact that he captained Pak at a very difficult time and played a major role in development of finest test batters in Azhar and Asad.
Ganguly was far better than Misbah, no doubt, but that doesn't mean that Misbah haven't done anything for Pak test team.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Ganguly had players like Dravid, Sachin, Sewag, Yuvraj, even was backed by Agarkar, India were a decent side. Sachin's captaincy and his selfishness kinda messed up India and created internal politics, who were Misbah's assassins? Asad Shafiq? Azhar Ali? Umar Akmal?

Misbah made a team of zeroes into heroes, Misbah is like Sylar from Heroes

Ganguly only had Sachin... Dada and dravid stamped authority of their arrival on the same test in England. So both of them are at the same level when started to captain..

You should listen to the guy who wanted to give sehwag a chance very badly i forgot his name he was a former indian cricketer. And sehwag scored a duck in his debut inns still persisted and fast-tracked to open without any promising inns to get the promotion. Yuvraj , irfan pathan and kaif were u19 wonders fast-tracked to the Indian side by Dada, which was taken as a template to introduce Rohit, Kohli, Dhawan, Jadeja and now Rahul. He never allowed Kambli a return.. There were few other players debut from Sachin's captaincy like vikram rathore, ssdas, sramesh, badani etc did dada persisted with them. He identified the talents and let them flourish under his captaincy.. dada even persisted with dinesh mongia, later discarded... At the same time he discarded other players who he thought not good enough.

How many u19 performers got a persistent run under MISBAH?
MISBAH has very poor eye for talent? dont ask me about his tactics that is even worse?

His assassins..

SHAFIQ - after misbah's first series of ODI captain u can see how many times he shuffled him to accomodate MYK at no.3

Azhar Ali - when he was doing well in tests at no.3 , now after mickey's inclusion we see hafeez kicked out and he is opening and scoring triple and double tons..why it didnt happen with misbah..

UA - long back he should have been tried as opener, made him part-time to full-time wicketkeeper, made him a slogger like afridi..

 

[Big Mac]

Why is it that the guys with 'analyse' or 'analyst' in their usernames post as though they've never analysed anything in their life?

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Ganguly only had Sachin... Dada and dravid stamped authority of their arrival on the same test in England. So both of them are at the same level when started to captain..

You should listen to the guy who wanted to give sehwag a chance very badly i forgot his name he was a former indian cricketer. And sehwag scored a duck in his debut inns still persisted and fast-tracked to open without any promising inns to get the promotion. Yuvraj , irfan pathan and kaif were u19 wonders fast-tracked to the Indian side by Dada, which was taken as a template to introduce Rohit, Kohli, Dhawan, Jadeja and now Rahul. He never allowed Kambli a return.. There were few other players debut from Sachin's captaincy like vikram rathore, ssdas, sramesh, badani etc did dada persisted with them. He identified the talents and let them flourish under his captaincy.. dada even persisted with dinesh mongia, later discarded... At the same time he discarded other players who he thought not good enough.

How many u19 performers got a persistent run under MISBAH?
MISBAH has very poor eye for talent? dont ask me about his tactics that is even worse?

His assassins..

SHAFIQ - after misbah's first series of ODI captain u can see how many times he shuffled him to accomodate MYK at no.3

Azhar Ali - when he was doing well in tests at no.3 , now after mickey's inclusion we see hafeez kicked out and he is opening and scoring triple and double tons..why it didnt happen with misbah..

UA - long back he should have been tried as opener, made him part-time to full-time wicketkeeper, made him a slogger like afridi..

He had more power over Misbah, as he is a senior Misbah being a gentleman didn't say anything. YK should have been dropped after 20 or 30 odis, not Misbah's fault, blame should go to selectors. Misbah did back Amir, when Hafeez and Azhar didn't want to share the same dressing room with the legend

 

[ask_analyse_act]

He had more power over Misbah, as he is a senior Misbah being a gentleman didn't say anything. YK should have been dropped after 20 or 30 odis, not Misbah's fault, blame should go to selectors. Misbah did back Amir, when Hafeez and Azhar didn't want to share the same dressing room with the legend

No, wasnt he able to drop afridi, kamran akmal, shoaib malik... he didnt drop MYK back then , if he did that MYK would have cried and threatened to leave test cricket which MISBAH will be all over the sea... Just remember the first 100 MYK made and the celebration in that AUS series in UAE 2014 , MYK deliberately avoided celebrating with MISBAH just because he was dropped from ODIs but still sneaked his way back in for the CWC..

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Although Misbah is one of my fav cricketers but Saurav Ganguly will always be my fav captain. I still can't forget those days when he used to captain indian team and how he transformed the body language of all the players including sachin tendulkar. He created match winners for india.I think only those who have seen him play live can understand that.