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Misbah-ul-Haq's comments regarding the fielding and fitness culture in Pakistan

Have people forgotten How ultradefensive Misbah was as skipper taking slips out in 3rd deliveries of 1st over, selecting trundlers in hope of containing the opposition have we forgot the Harare Debacle that 49ers club against :steyn
 
Speaking in an interview:

"Clear cut, fitness issues are visible, Waqar left four times [as coach], I left once. Players like myself, Shoaib Malik, and Younis Khan were quite into fitness, and we used to push ourselves. Those who push others out of their limitations are not considered good trainers nor good coaches. Their tummies are visible; their lower are heavy and they can't move. The reason behind this is there has not been a single fitness test, there is no benchmark"

"Fitness test level during domestic season becomes a joke. We used to have arguments that we used to say that the standard used for the international level must be used for the domestic level as well. The responsible people at the domestic level always opposed us related to fitness."
 
Fitness has always been a prime issue for Pakistan legends like Javed Miandad, Inzimam to Shoaib Akhtar nobody was fully fit even Misbah played unfit players like Tanvir Ahmed Nasir Jamshed Sharjeel Khan Zulfiqar Babar & Yasir Shah so he should be the last one to lecture about unfit players, just look at our coaches Saqlain n Moyo do they inspire anyone to be extremely fit they are walking around with bear bellies and turban clothes is if they are not in a sporting event rather with a preaching class
 
Everyone is infallible in retrospect once retired. Misbah is no exception.

Apart from Micky Arthur, I don't recall anyone else who really took Pakistan's fitness on - that too only at national level.

Having said that, Pakistan's fielding isn't disastrous. In fact, its quite good. It only buckles in two situations:
1. When Pakistan take it too easy
2. When the pressure is on

Unfortunately, both come back and bite it in the backside.
 
One thing has to be said though - Misbah's fitness throughout his career was excellent.

Even at the age of 40 plus he was fitter than many of the so-called youngsters.
 
So today malik was defending Azam khan and misbah along with waseem had a go that thats a ridiculous thing to say that we should give him leverage for his body.
 
It got pretty fiesty today with Azam Khan being discussed and his fitness was under scrutiny.. it was Malik vs Misbah basically. Malik saying if he loses a lot for weight, hell also lose his stable base. Wasim saying he doesn't believe that. Then Misbah mentioned yo yo tests and Malik interrupted him saying in other countries like SA the yo yo test is individualized for a player and not sorm generic form everyone has to pass.. Misbah didn't answer that question but went on to emphasize that hiding him in the field would be the biggest problem we would have and the runs hell leak will overwhelm any he makes with the bat.
 
Someone as super fit as Shoaib Malik is, i am surprised to see him spar with Misbah and defending the likes of Harris Sohail, Azam Khan, Imad Wasim for poor fitness. I am already getting the impression that Misbah atleast is not liking Malik's presence in the list of analysts.
 
It got pretty fiesty today with Azam Khan being discussed and his fitness was under scrutiny.. it was Malik vs Misbah basically. Malik saying if he loses a lot for weight, hell also lose his stable base. Wasim saying he doesn't believe that. Then Misbah mentioned yo yo tests and Malik interrupted him saying in other countries like SA the yo yo test is individualized for a player and not sorm generic form everyone has to pass.. Misbah didn't answer that question but went on to emphasize that hiding him in the field would be the biggest problem we would have and the runs hell leak will overwhelm any he makes with the bat.

He also said fitness can be overlooked if you are exceptionally good at your batting, but Azam performs 1 in 10 innings while Inzi used to perform 3/5 times. Don't think I'll disagree with him here.
 
Someone as super fit as Shoaib Malik is, i am surprised to see him spar with Misbah and defending the likes of Harris Sohail, Azam Khan, Imad Wasim for poor fitness. I am already getting the impression that Misbah atleast is not liking Malik's presence in the list of analysts.

Despite years of grooming, Malik's idiocy is coming out in front of TV. Malik gets annoying when he keeps interrupting others. When he went on about Misbah's diet, Waqar told him it's enough.
 
Hmm why dont they discuss about the fiasco which happened after CT09 when players took oath against Younis, Malik was part of that clan, the ill-fated Aus tour 2010, Malik also got banned for being a leech, PCB's in fact Waqar mentioned in his report, Similarly what Gen. touqeer did with Wasim & Waqar
 
All this talk of fitness on the show is a bit excessive really. They are not addressing the real issues Pakistan cricket has such as:

1. Limited cricketing nous and strategic thinking
2. Lack of intent
3. Overall negativity
4. Lack of ambition

Yes fitness is important, of course it is, but it is not the be all.

I’d much rather have a bunch of fat guys who play with brains, intent and win rather than a bunch of 6 pack losers.
 
Wasem Akram is ripping apart the team. He said when Misbah was coach he had a great fitness regime in, the players hated Misbah, but that worked. Now look at the faces of the players they are fat and cant run on the field and doing nothing.

Loving it.
 
Wasem Akram is ripping apart the team. He said when Misbah was coach he had a great fitness regime in, the players hated Misbah, but that worked. Now look at the faces of the players they are fat and cant run on the field and doing nothing.

Loving it.

Totally agree with this. I am surprised Mickey Arthur has allowed this. He sent Umar Akmal back from the 2017 CT for poor fitness. He is now allowing a fat Imam ul Haq to play for Pakistan unchallenged.
 
All this talk of fitness on the show is a bit excessive really. They are not addressing the real issues Pakistan cricket has such as:

1. Limited cricketing nous and strategic thinking
2. Lack of intent
3. Overall negativity
4. Lack of ambition

Yes fitness is important, of course it is, but it is not the be all.

I’d much rather have a bunch of fat guys who play with brains, intent and win rather than a bunch of 6 pack losers.
Its a fair point but one could argue that if you are fat its also quite likely that you won't tick off any of those points. Rohit Sharma being a notable exception.
 
Misbah was visionary both as captain and coach. he had the right principles and objectives. Unfortunately, our weak players didn't have the fortitude to follow through
Yes, his vision was this current team. This is his legacy. I hope he’s happy with his “vision”. Personally I think he should have gone to specsavers
 
Fielding is a joke, I’m almost certain few Pakistanis playing North American club cricket have more fielding sense than the current team.
 
Misbah "The Visionary" was talking about intent and aggression. I don't know whether to laugh or cry here. These former cricketers, once they are not part of the team, make all the sense in the world. But when they are in their playing days or part of the team setup, they suddenly start talking about a safety-first approach and defensive strategies.

Misbah is the biggest hypocrite and chaploos you will find in our cricket.
 
Misbah "The Visionary" was talking about intent and aggression. I don't know whether to laugh or cry here. These former cricketers, once they are not part of the team, make all the sense in the world. But when they are in their playing days or part of the team setup, they suddenly start talking about a safety-first approach and defensive strategies.

Misbah is the biggest hypocrite and chaploos you will find in our cricket.
Agreed, Look at Malik how toxic he is. He himself played 25 years of cricket despite being mediocre and walking wicket against any half decent pacer.
 
Misbah is also a part of this poor planning, when he took over the reigns from Mickey Arthur four years ago. Under his coaching, we lost 3-0 to a depleted England ODI team.

It's easy to sit there and criticize, but to be honest we need to look at the hard facts and the lack of talent is apparent. We have no specialist spinner good enough to play international cricket, we have no hard hitters in our domestic circuit and we have no medium pacer good enough to bowl long spells in longer forms of the game.

You can blame Misbah, Mickey, Bradburn, Saqlain etc, but the core issues will remain the same, compounded by the stupidity of our captain to acknowledge basic issues.
 
Misbah "The Visionary" was talking about intent and aggression. I don't know whether to laugh or cry here. These former cricketers, once they are not part of the team, make all the sense in the world. But when they are in their playing days or part of the team setup, they suddenly start talking about a safety-first approach and defensive strategies.

Misbah is the biggest hypocrite and chaploos you will find in our cricket.
Exactly I was laughing about it too. Misbahs backing and safety first, no aggression has killed the Pakistani team a lot. I rmb in 2019 WC and series before that against England under MA Pakistan was scoring 330+ regularly and not happy with their poor batting efforts. To chase against NzL in a hell wicket to bat was an awesome pieces of display by Babar Hafeez and Haris Sohail after losing the openers early. Suddenly after the WC were Misbah played his dirty politics to become Coach cum selector the team start to trundle to score past 230 and returned to his olden ways for 250 being the new 350 for them, bowlers coming to save every time. He even benched an inform Haider Ali and played his Asif Ali , Danish Aziz, Ifthikar and Khushdhil. Finally Haider Ali became a slogger to say the least. If Misbah is around he will suck all the momentum, attitude, aggression, energy from any team.
 
Misbah is also a part of this poor planning, when he took over the reigns from Mickey Arthur four years ago. Under his coaching, we lost 3-0 to a depleted England ODI team.

It's easy to sit there and criticize, but to be honest we need to look at the hard facts and the lack of talent is apparent. We have no specialist spinner good enough to play international cricket, we have no hard hitters in our domestic circuit and we have no medium pacer good enough to bowl long spells in longer forms of the game.

You can blame Misbah, Mickey, Bradburn, Saqlain etc, but the core issues will remain the same, compounded by the stupidity of our captain to acknowledge basic issues.
Good to point that out he lost to England C team rmb. There are players but they simply don’t get the chances they need bcoz the friendship , like and dislike culture cultivated few decades ago from the top brass to bottom. Will keep Pakistan the way they are for more years to come.
 
Indeed beyond toxic . Started groupings , form favourites around , after marriage he improved as person but now looks like going back to those old days.
No he never changed, I guess became more toxic. I was furious to see him in yesterday's show. If he cares so much about Pak cricket, why dont he along with other so called experts work with domestics teams? What have they done to improve Pak cricket at personal level? They are not even ready to coach U19 side, all they want to become part of national coaching staff.
 
Misbah "The Visionary" was talking about intent and aggression. I don't know whether to laugh or cry here. These former cricketers, once they are not part of the team, make all the sense in the world. But when they are in their playing days or part of the team setup, they suddenly start talking about a safety-first approach and defensive strategies.

Misbah is the biggest hypocrite and chaploos you will find in our cricket.
It’s a type of all talk no action. To say stuff to please the masses while on TV. We all know what kind of safety approach was taken by having Kamran Akmal keep. What was happening when Imran Farhat was opening? What was Asad Shafiq doing playing LOI? Nothing made sense during the Misbah days.
 
Misbah is a very toxic guy and the worst thing for Pak cricket. He destroyed an entire gen of cricket in Pak and interest worldwide especially in India. Tuk tuk defensive mediocre guy. Says things on TV but never implemented them when he had absolute monopoly like no other in the game of cricket. If he is disliked and loathed in Ind for being mediocre, defensive, you can understand how bad he was.. For all of Babar Azam's faults - atleast he made the Pak team more watchable and followable. The current team is more watchable and more recognizable than any of Misbah's.. Dont know how the Pak public doesn't see through his nonsense honestly. Followed by Mickey Arthur - this guy is another useless parasite on Pak cricket ..
 
Misbah is a very toxic guy and the worst thing for Pak cricket. He destroyed an entire gen of cricket in Pak and interest worldwide especially in India. Tuk tuk defensive mediocre guy. Says things on TV but never implemented them when he had absolute monopoly like no other in the game of cricket. If he is disliked and loathed in Ind for being mediocre, defensive, you can understand how bad he was.. For all of Babar Azam's faults - atleast he made the Pak team more watchable and followable. The current team is more watchable and more recognizable than any of Misbah's.. Dont know how the Pak public doesn't see through his nonsense honestly. Followed by Mickey Arthur - this guy is another useless parasite on Pak cricket ..
Under Misbah's captaincy in white ball, we played Champions Trophy 2013 and World cup 2015. In both the tournaments we couldn't even reach Semifinal.I hope people remember 0-4 vs WI and who can forget his legendary innings in Mohali.

I fail to understand how can these mediocre, defensive and timid cricketers of limited overs get invited for analysis who couldn't even achieve half of the what current team has achieved.
 
Asad Shafiq Umar Akmal U Salahuddin Muhammad Talha Usman Shinwari too name a few, all played under Misbah but he failed to groom any of them instead who can forget the legendary selections by Misbah ul Haq.

Awais Zia, Rafatullah, Tanvir Ahmed, Shakeel Ansar, Muhammad Salman
 
Under Misbah's captaincy in white ball, we played Champions Trophy 2013 and World cup 2015. In both the tournaments we couldn't even reach Semifinal.I hope people remember 0-4 vs WI and who can forget his legendary innings in Mohali.

I fail to understand how can these mediocre, defensive and timid cricketers of limited overs get invited for analysis who couldn't even achieve half of the what current team has achieved.
Based on his TV analysis one would think he's the 2nd coming of Ponting as captain! Why didn't he do anything that he suggests when he was the captain coach and selector?? That mohali innings was legendary. I mean as an Ind supporter I didn't mind at all as it helped Ind win but boy if you are a Pak supporter that was an absolute disgrace. Scoring runs and hitting 6s after the match is done and dusted was pathetic.

And his 2007 scoop was the shot which pretty much made Pak have a mental block against Ind if not for a very long time probably forever. There was no more fear factor associated with Pak anymore for Ind.. yes 2017 CT final was an exception but that anxious psyche was never regained.. Man I used to like watching Pak cricket pre 2007 and used to be thrilled and excited when Ind beat Pak but post 2007 after Misbah there was no fun or excitement like before.. Again Babar azam for all his faults atleast put people on seats and made Pak cricket watchable again. And all the previous Pak cricketers are simply piling up on Babar when they actually had worse records with better teams..
 
Misbah was exposed as a poor reader of the game during the last World Cup.


After the thrashing at the hands of the West Indies , during post match analysis on ESPNcricinfo, Raunak Kapoor asked what was the issue with PAK batting and Misbah kept blaming PAK bowlers for not bowling the right length.

It was absolutely comical. No wonder they stopped calling him
 
Totally agree with this. I am surprised Mickey Arthur has allowed this. He sent Umar Akmal back from the 2017 CT for poor fitness. He is now allowing a fat Imam ul Haq to play for Pakistan unchallenged.
@Markhor had a fantastic posted earlier in the thread where he pointed out how the 2017-2018 was the fittest pakistani team with the best catching percentage in the world.
I reckon this also coincided with Rixon’s stint as fielding coach.

The same players today look unfit and are dropping catches like no tomorrow. Mickey’s second tenure has been absolutely toothless. Not sure if this toothlessness has to do with him double dipping or Babar having absolute authority.
 
Misbah was exposed as a poor reader of the game during the last World Cup.


After the thrashing at the hands of the West Indies , during post match analysis on ESPNcricinfo, Raunak Kapoor asked what was the issue with PAK batting and Misbah kept blaming PAK bowlers for not bowling the right length.

It was absolutely comical. No wonder they stopped calling him
Misbah was caught unnecessarily criticizng Shaheen as well once, and saying he was been blooded too early. And he was exposed back then as well.
 
Last Night Misbha warned Babar that you will be removed from Captaincy so now be careful, now you there is 90% chance you will be dropped as player because now PCB will coming for a smart excuse that "Babar Strike rate is low so they will chop Babar and Imam and if Inzi does not agree than he will pack bags as well so he said now you just play for self because they will not spare you now as they did same to recent captain. No captain survives after being removed from Captaincy".
 
I made a is misbah the best analyst thread.

The thing is, misbah makes perfect sense on social media. The same way sohaib Akhtar makes perfect sense on social media.

However these 2 don't implement any changes made, they are the definition of all talk no action.

When eoin Morgan made comments in 2015 and said what the problem was, and highlighted everything, you can clearly see how he implemented it which led to 2019 all star England team.

Misbah may be making Morgan esc comments but unlike Morgan he will never implement them. Misbah was already coach, selector, chairman and god knows what and it went no where
 
Based on his TV analysis one would think he's the 2nd coming of Ponting as captain! Why didn't he do anything that he suggests when he was the captain coach and selector?? That mohali innings was legendary. I mean as an Ind supporter I didn't mind at all as it helped Ind win but boy if you are a Pak supporter that was an absolute disgrace. Scoring runs and hitting 6s after the match is done and dusted was pathetic.

And his 2007 scoop was the shot which pretty much made Pak have a mental block against Ind if not for a very long time probably forever. There was no more fear factor associated with Pak anymore for Ind.. yes 2017 CT final was an exception but that anxious psyche was never regained.. Man I used to like watching Pak cricket pre 2007 and used to be thrilled and excited when Ind beat Pak but post 2007 after Misbah there was no fun or excitement like before..
I’m very glad you pointed out the Indian viewpoint. I’ve been saying for ages that the Misbah way would have been appreciated highly by the opposition.

Pakistan had some issues pre-2007, but they still had something about them, since then we’ve been pretty pathetic not only in terms that f results but also attitude and watchability.
 
Misbah underestimated the capability of his teammates. In on the the interviews, he defended his slow approach by claiming that everytime he walks out they are 20-3 then he bails them out to 220 and when he gets out then they get dismissed for 240. Pak batters may not have been setting the world on fire but they were not this bad. Such statements show that he had no faith in his batters. That's why a stroke player like Umar Akmal was pushed to no.6 and didn't get proper back in the initial phase of his career.

The batting line up Misbah assembled for the CT 2013 was an associate level.
 
Misbah underestimated the capability of his teammates. In on the the interviews, he defended his slow approach by claiming that everytime he walks out they are 20-3 then he bails them out to 220 and when he gets out then they get dismissed for 240. Pak batters may not have been setting the world on fire but they were not this bad. Such statements show that he had no faith in his batters. That's why a stroke player like Umar Akmal was pushed to no.6 and didn't get proper back in the initial phase of his career.

The batting line up Misbah assembled for the CT 2013 was an associate level.
Yup, that was his propaganda piece. Unfortunately, a lot of our “fans” fell for this hook, line and sinker.
 
Under Misbah's captaincy in white ball, we played Champions Trophy 2013 and World cup 2015. In both the tournaments we couldn't even reach Semifinal.I hope people remember 0-4 vs WI and who can forget his legendary innings in Mohali.

I fail to understand how can these mediocre, defensive and timid cricketers of limited overs get invited for analysis who couldn't even achieve half of the what current team has achieved.
0-4 vs WI , when did that happen lol.. i thought he was whitewashed by England 4-0 when he had Afridi lala, Ajmal, Abdur Rehman and Hafeez in UAE turners... when this man has to talk about white ball cricket OMG is just baffling...

It’s a type of all talk no action. To say stuff to please the masses while on TV. We all know what kind of safety approach was taken by having Kamran Akmal keep. What was happening when Imran Farhat was opening? What was Asad Shafiq doing playing LOI? Nothing made sense during the Misbah days.
Yes that England 4-0 series i rmb he played Imran Farhat, Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq and Younis Khan in the top 4 along with Hafeez as the opener... He rotated these 4 and when he lost 3-0 in the final match he promoted Umar Akmal and Shoaib Malik ahead of him and also he was desperate to save his face against the whitewash he played 1 seamer in Junaid Khan and 4 spinners (Ajmal, Rehman, Afridi and Hafeez) yet cant post a score of 250+, KP sealed it with a big century 130
 
Yup, that was his propaganda piece. Unfortunately, a lot of our “fans” fell for this hook, line and sinker.
Exactly , i was one of those who believed and then later realised that it was full of lies and not being able to compete or adapt to the evolving game... He was one of those who was so stubborn for a change and also at sometimes i thought this man has a grudge against Pakistan and PCB for starting his career late in his 30s.....
 
0-4 vs WI , when did that happen lol.. i thought he was whitewashed by England 4-0 when he had Afridi lala, Ajmal, Abdur Rehman and Hafeez in UAE turners... when this man has to talk about white ball cricket OMG is just baffling...


Yes that England 4-0 series i rmb he played Imran Farhat, Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq and Younis Khan in the top 4 along with Hafeez as the opener... He rotated these 4 and when he lost 3-0 in the final match he promoted Umar Akmal and Shoaib Malik ahead of him and also he was desperate to save his face against the whitewash he played 1 seamer in Junaid Khan and 4 spinners (Ajmal, Rehman, Afridi and Hafeez) yet cant post a score of 250+, KP sealed it with a big century 130
Bhai mere it is not about series result, this is Pakistan's score vs WI in WC 2015. 0-4 yes you read it right.
 
Malik and Misbah sparred on Fitness again. Malik complained that during Misbah's time, the Fitness tests were unplanned and that they should not be held during the middle of the series where the players got exhausted before they went out to play in the middle.

Misbah countered that in his opinion, fitness tests should be held daily because if a player is working hard on his fitness training wise and his nutrition, then he should not be unable to clear the fitness tests on a daily basis, the ideal system should be that the players should be asked to give their fitness tests daily and only then allowed to participate in the nets after passing the fitness tests, you have to work on your training, fitness every day so that passing the fitness test every day should be a piece of cake for you, your aim should be to be the best version of yourself from a fitness, athletic point of view and the goal should not necessarily be to just do the bare minimum to just just barely pass the fitness test. All those who are complaining about getting fatigued because of the fitness tests being held during the middle of the series are just making excuses, if you cannot handle running of 15 minutes daily, 8 minutes sprinting daily and 6 bench-presses at body weight, if you cannot handle these bare minimum requirements then how will you meet the standards required in international cricket? Every player is told what the requirements are, when the fitness tests will be held e.t.c.
 
@Markhor had a fantastic posted earlier in the thread where he pointed out how the 2017-2018 was the fittest pakistani team with the best catching percentage in the world.
I reckon this also coincided with Rixon’s stint as fielding coach.

The same players today look unfit and are dropping catches like no tomorrow. Mickey’s second tenure has been absolutely toothless. Not sure if this toothlessness has to do with him double dipping or Babar having absolute authority.
Could be quite few factors
  • Boards musical chairs , thinking Mickey wont be around for long + he is an offline/online coach
  • Babar having absolute authority is more to do with it + surrounded by his friends as players also not listening
  • Players not being paid and dispute between the board vs players on the money front and contract
 
Bhai mere it is not about series result, this is Pakistan's score vs WI in WC 2015. 0-4 yes you read it right.
yes always an embarrassment under him... he will never let any youngster to prosper unless they are 30+ years old to debut... He made an in-form Haider ali to warm the bench an entire tour of England then giving him the last T20 , he took Abdullah Shafique as backup opener and then made Rizwan open the inns in the T20... If he is away from the team and PCB setup, the team kinda do well and win matches when he is around in some capacity they fail like pack of cards.
 
Bring me one match we won because of Misbah’s tuktuk Batting. Funny is that whenever misbah scored less than 5 runs. Pakistan use to win those matches lol. He was toxic. You saw from his coaching and chief selector duties. He doesn’t know anything lol
 
Why does it seem like its only our players cramping every 5 minutes?

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