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Misbah : "You can't defend this kind of performance. It was a poor and disappointing performance"

Misbah-ul-Haq speaking at a press conference earlier today:

There is no way you can defend a performance like that. It was a poor and disappointing performance. In the first 2 matches we couldn’t handle the conditions with our batting. In the last match our batting was better with Babar and Rizwan batting well and we reached a total that we should have defended. Overall a very disappointing performance from the bowling point of view and especially the fielding which throughout the series has been a problem. Nobody can defend such a performance.

If you look back recently at the home and away series against South Africa we performed well in all departments. We were satisfied that we were on the right track but now we are back to where we started. It’s very disappointing but we have to look ahead to see where we want to go and why we performed like this suddenly after doing such excellent work in the last 5 or 6 series. In the last month we played PSL and after that we have looked off-colour and it’s a worrying sign for me as a Head Coach.

England has the luxury of having a good pool of players. They are lucky as they have a lot of options but we have limitations in certain positions especially in the middle order and we have not been able to fill that position with a settled option and sometimes we have to rush players in, to fill that slot. Obviously if you have choices where players have scored a lot of runs over a long period of time in domestic then you can move towards bringing in those players. This is the problem we have and why we sometimes bring in inexperienced players from the PSL.

I don’t believe in putting all the blame on just the players or just the coaches. You work as a team, and if plans weren’t executed on the field then we are equally to blame as the players. You make plans, you practice and we are all responsible for the execution of those plans. As a team we were below par in terms of our execution of the bowling plans, the lengths, and our field plans. As a team we didn’t execute those plans and when we did execute those bowling plans we were let down by the fielding. If you drop simple catches at crucial stages then you will see the results especially on true pitches and where the ball comes on nicely. If you don’t take wickets then it’s very difficult to stop teams from scoring 7 or 7.5 runs an over. I don’t blame individuals, it’s the fault of all of us. We are all equally responsible for the defeats.

It’s important that all the teams play the same number of matches in the WTC. And it’s important regarding who plays against who and where and I’m sure the ICC and PCB will have looked into this.

The debate regarding favouritism will never end. Whichever XI we pick, there will always be questions as to why the other players didn’t play. We always try to pick the best combination and we always try to give chances based on our bench-strength. There is no favouritism, we always try to pick the best and most balanced team so that we win matches and win series. There is no obligation to play certain players.

Shadab and Faheem are important to the balance of the team as wherever you play, numbers 7 and 8 have to be able to bat as we have seen with Lewis Gregory. Shadab can bat, he can bowl although his bowling hasn’t been at its best recently but it’s important that he regains his form and confidence.

At this moment the form of most of the players isn’t at the level that it should be. Faheem bowled well against South Africa and we see him as a bowler firstly and then we look at his batting as a support. Neither Faheem or Shadab are getting special favours and being picked all the time.

Discipline is important. The coaching staff have a role in this as do the players. If you look at England’s bowlers they beat us through basic disciplines as well as basic disciplines in fielding. We need to concentrate more on such things so that our performances don’t drop. We need to look at our standards and work on our replacements and bench-strength, so that there is no drop in the quality of the team, as England has. We were at full strength and England were completely changed and still we couldn’t compete with them. We need to improve our disciplines and maintain our consistency.

The fielding coach can only try and work with the players. The last few series the fielding was ok, but now suddenly these last few matches have been bad. We need to find the reasons as it’s the same players, same team which did well before, but now suddenly we’ve had problems. The boys were in quarantine for 10 days but I don’t want to make excuses. Something has gone wrong and our momentum has broken and we are finding it difficult to regain that momentum and our standards have slipped. We are looking at what has caused this and what are the reasons for this and it’s important we sort these issues out before the T20I series and then the series in the Caribbean.

It’s wrong to say that everything is going wrong just because we have lost the last few matches. It’s part of the game when your team is developing, you win series and you lose series. But it’s disappointing that our winning streak has ended with such poor performances. We all made mistakes, I accept that we couldn’t execute our plans in bowling and fielding and didn’t take our chances. We should have comfortably won the 3rd ODI but we let it slip. We made mistakes, but it’s wrong to say that everything is going wrong and that nothing has gone right in the last 2 years.

Since Babar has become captain, his performances as a batsman have improved which means that he is handling pressure very well. In terms of captaincy obviously he is new, he’s inexperienced as a captain so he is still learning and he will improve over time. Nobody can be perfect so quickly. Mistakes are made by even the best captains and if you are a young and an inexperienced captain then you will make mistakes and they will be visible. The more experienced you become as a captain, the better you get at it.

We wanted to go in to all of the 3 matches with our best combination. No doubt we didn’t click in the second match but we were confident that this was our best XI. Also the new players had just come off the back of PSL and they’ve not played any 50-over cricket for a while. So after 2 matches the team was in rhythm as they had familiarised themselves with conditions and the opposition. So the players who had been playing had a better idea of conditions, so we felt that this XI had a good chance of winning the 3rd match and that’s why we never made any changes and bring in new players who hadn’t featured in the series at all. Overall the combination was based on the conditions and the pitch that we saw.

The biggest positive was the way we batted in the 3rd match and the form of some of the batsmen. Babar’s career-best ODI innings, Rizwan’s performance, before going into an important T20 series and then to the West Indies, was in my view crucial for us. The last few series all our bowlers did well especially against South Africa. But in this series we were average and below par, we were poor and we need to pick ourselves up. Shaheen, Hassan and Haris have been producing good performances of late and Faheem bowled very well in South Africa. Obviously they’ve not been able to bowl in the last 2 or 3 matches like they have been and how they should have. Hopefully all of these bowlers can make a strong comeback in the next series and improve and help Pakistan win matches once again as they have in the past. This has been an off-colour series, not only for them, but for the whole team in all departments especially our fast-bowling.

England has shown how strong their system is by putting up a very strong second team against us. As far as our middle-order problems are concerned, I want to give players a proper chance and give players at least 1 or 2 full series. Unfortunately the performances have not been there. We support all the players and we give them opportunities but the performances as yet have not come.

Regarding Waqar and I, unfortunately you win 6 series and then you lose 2 or 3 matches and lose 1 series and people forget all the good work we have put in and instead focus on the losses. However, there is no doubt this series has been disappointing, the team performances have been disappointing, the coaches performance has been disappointing. We are a part of the on-field performance, it’s been poor on the field and the coaches performance has been poor, so we need to pick it up.
 
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Misbah ul Haq should be called Excuse ul Haq. He keep bringing winning against S Africa C side to hide his own performance.
What about bowling? Waqar is doing such a great job!!!!
 
If this man has any shame he should immediately resign though he doesn’t have any , shameless guy .
 
Does he not get asked questions about individual players?

Surely the journalists had to put him on the spot.

Why was Faheem picked for all 3 ODI’s.

Why was there no specialist spinner in the team.

Is Hassan Ali playing as an all rounder in the team and if so, why do we need Faheem in the team.

Is Imad Wasim still not good enough to get into this team?

Why is Hassan Ali bowling with the new ball, was it his decision or yours.

These are the type of questions football managers get asked in the post match interviews, Misbah is lucky that he doesn’t get asked these kind of questions, maybe I’m wrong?
 
"If you look back, we won the home series against South Africa and the away series too. I think all the departments, be it batting, bowling or fielding. It feels like we have come back to the point from where we started”.

Is he trying to say Pakistan were playing like this when he and Waqar took over from Mickey Arthur?
 
"According to the team's requirement, sometimes players come earlier in the team than they should. If you have many choices available and players are coming from domestic after scoring big runs, then we prefer those. If we need certain players then we sometimes have to pick from PSL," he added.

Thats to me is another issue. Team's and young player's potentially stable future is more important than make shift arrangements to win a series or two. Unless there is a world trophy is at stake, there is no excuse to fast track a player before he is ready.

Also here is a contradiction. If Abdullah, Haider, Hasnain, Wasim Jr etc. are team requirements than why they havent played much cricket for Pakistan while they have been travelling around the globe with the team. If they were the requirement of the team than they should have been in the playing XI rather than on the bench. I would rather have players (As some call them TTFs) on the bench and carrying drinks rather than youngsters who are not ready yet and need to play domestic cricket.

They wasted whole domestic 4 day season for Haider, Abdullah, Hasnain last year while other than a T20 match here and there they warmed the benches. While someone like Hussain Talat and Amad Butt were brought into the A squad half way through the QAE with stellar FC performances only to never play a test or ODI for Pak ever since.

This is just poor planning and management with no excuse in my opinion. There should be a direction to forming a team and overall cricket rather than just going from series to series ignoring how it impacts the long term direction and goals of team and youngsters.
 
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Thats to me is another issue. Team's and young player's potentially stable future is more important than make shift arrangements to win a series or two. Unless there is a world trophy is at stake, there is no excuse to fast track a player before he is ready.

Also here is a contradiction. If Abdullah, Haider, Hasnain, Wasim Jr etc. are team requirements than why they havent played much cricket for Pakistan while they have been travelling around the globe with the team. If they were the requirement of the team than they should have been in the playing XI rather than on the bench. I would rather have players (As some call them TTFs) on the bench and carrying drinks rather than youngsters who are not ready yet and need to play domestic cricket.

They wasted whole domestic 4 day season for Haider, Abdullah, Hasnain last year while other than a T20 match here and there they warmed the benches. While someone like Hussain Talat and Amad Butt were brought into the A squad half way through the QAE with stellar FC performances only to never play a test or ODI for Pak ever since.

This is just poor planning and management with no excuse in my opinion. There should be a direction to forming a team and overall cricket rather than just going from series to series ignoring how it impacts the long term direction and goals of team and youngsters.

There is no direction.. misbah has been a terrible coach. He has a degree in business management and hasnt been able to manage these players accordingly...

Needs to fired. Need someone who actually cares about the job hes doing because its pretty clear these guys are here for the paycheque.
 
If this man has any shame he should immediately resign though he doesn’t have any , shameless guy .

This shameless coach is actually saying that he will kick out and replace a few players instead of accepting the responsibility onto himself and resign.

What a God sent laanut has he and Waqar been on our cricket.
 
First of all after losing the first two games in embarrassing fashion you make at least one or two changes to the side, you atleast try something different but here they stuck with the losing combination for all three games.

With WSL every game is important. I think Pakistan are not relalizing this. Every point is important. They've now lost 5 of their 9 matches.

Secondly, Pakistan ended the innings in a very irresponsible manner... They just threw away wickets by trying to slog every ball. It doesn't work like that... With 4-5 overs left, good batsmen with that kind of platform score another 45-50 runs. They could have easily got 350.
 
Not a mind reader by any stretch, but I am beginning to feel he's losing his usual stoic - We're doing our best, we have to give the team time, nothing's wrong approach

Think the wheels are coming off and he may not stubbornly hold on to the job if the confidence is rattled.
Which it seems to have

But if you ask me, there seems to be a ridiculous obsession with the coaching staff, whereas if anyone has to be held accountable, it is the captain.

Not sure if changing the coaching staff will result in a big change in team performances
 
"Firstly, we need to look at how England has the luxury by having a pool of players, I think they are lucky and they have a lot of choices. We at certain positions have limitations. We have limitations in the middle order and there are a few spaces that for a very long time we don't have settled players," he said.

Why not just find 5 or 6 batsmen first regardless of which position they come in. This idea that you can allow slow openers to take their time and waste 20 overs, then expect the middle order to slog their way out of trouble is totally flawed.

If the top order batted more positively, then the middle order would have time to settle without as much pressure and they might perform better as well. Just play your six best batsmen and tell them to bat properly and with intent.
 
Does he not get asked questions about individual players?

Surely the journalists had to put him on the spot.

Why was Faheem picked for all 3 ODI’s.

Why was there no specialist spinner in the team.

Is Hassan Ali playing as an all rounder in the team and if so, why do we need Faheem in the team.

Is Imad Wasim still not good enough to get into this team?

Why is Hassan Ali bowling with the new ball, was it his decision or yours.

These are the type of questions football managers get asked in the post match interviews, Misbah is lucky that he doesn’t get asked these kind of questions, maybe I’m wrong?

all you questions are valid, but I don't think the journalists are looking to probe Misbah because they are not aware of the individual reasons for the loss.
 
Kick this shameless guy out , before him this team was T20 No.1 and did well in ODI world cup, since he joined all manhosiyat .
 
Does he not get asked questions about individual players?

Surely the journalists had to put him on the spot.

See opening post. More quotes added.

He was specifically asked about Shadab and Faheem's continued selection.
 
The team isn't in a great position right now and could probably not be in a great position once Misbah & Waqar move on. But these performances and conferences like this aren't help keep them employed in there coaching positions.

I like many agree with the team being in a different position with a different coach rather than Misbah & Waqar. At least two years ago against England in 2019 we looked decent and capable LOI side. Misbah & Waqar seemed to be undoing all the work Mickey did.

Mickey may not be everyones cup of tea, but he did a decent job on making Pakistan competitive.
 
He's right. After two humiliating losses there's no need to try something new. Imam(saeed anwar) , Shadab(warne) , Faheem (klusener) U cannot even think about replacing them for just 1 game
 
After numerous tours to england our players are still acclimatising to english conditions according to Misbah
 
I've read the full quotes now. 'We never executed our plans, we never did this, we never did that...'

Just waffling on and on with excuse after excuse.
 
Does he not get asked questions about individual players?

Surely the journalists had to put him on the spot.

Why was Faheem picked for all 3 ODI’s.

Why was there no specialist spinner in the team.

Is Hassan Ali playing as an all rounder in the team and if so, why do we need Faheem in the team.

Is Imad Wasim still not good enough to get into this team?

Why is Hassan Ali bowling with the new ball, was it his decision or yours.

These are the type of questions football managers get asked in the post match interviews, Misbah is lucky that he doesn’t get asked these kind of questions, maybe I’m wrong?

Who should be bowling with the new ball ??
 
Thiers no justification to loosing to England C team.it is the biggest upset in world cricket.misbah should resign
 
Does he not get asked questions about individual players?

Surely the journalists had to put him on the spot.

Why was Faheem picked for all 3 ODI’s.

Why was there no specialist spinner in the team.

Is Hassan Ali playing as an all rounder in the team and if so, why do we need Faheem in the team.

Is Imad Wasim still not good enough to get into this team?

Why is Hassan Ali bowling with the new ball, was it his decision or yours.

These are the type of questions football managers get asked in the post match interviews, Misbah is lucky that he doesn’t get asked these kind of questions, maybe I’m wrong?

I can even answer the questions you've put out.

1) Faheem was selected on the basis that he could on a good day give you something with the bat or ball. His selection was mostly based on optimism: hoping that he gave you some runs and picked up a wicket, when in reality, he's incapable of both.

2) Misbah would have used Parkinson getting hammered as an excuse, but I will say that Shadab and Shakeel did hold up the spin-bowling front decently, though they could have bowled a bit better had chances been taken.

3) Hasan Ali is a bowler in good form with the bat, but Misbah doesn't trust his batting enough to drop Faheem, though Hasan has almost the same amount of career runs as Faheem at a better average and SR.

4) Imad Wasim is certainly good enough for the team, but their continued backing of Faheem Ashraf and Shadab Khan as being two batting all-rounders has prevented his inclusion, though he is far, far better than batting than both, and a better bowler than Faheem.

5) Hasan Ali is bowling with the new ball because Rauf has much worse control and Faheem is ineffective with the ball at any stage and in any conditions. He is being forced to bowl in that situation, and unfortunately, by picking up the odd wicket here and there, it compels Misbah to trust him.
 
Misbah-ul-Haq speaking at a press conference earlier today:

There is no way you can defend a performance like that. It was a poor and disappointing performance. In the first 2 matches we couldn’t handle the conditions with our batting. In the last match our batting was better with Babar and Rizwan batting well and we reached a total that we should have defended. Overall a very disappointing performance from the bowling point of view and especially the fielding which throughout the series has been a problem. Nobody can defend such a performance.

If you look back recently at the home and away series against South Africa we performed well in all departments. We were satisfied that we were on the right track but now we are back to where we started. It’s very disappointing but we have to look ahead to see where we want to go and why we performed like this suddenly after doing such excellent work in the last 5 or 6 series. In the last month we played PSL and after that we have looked off-colour and it’s a worrying sign for me as a Head Coach.

England has the luxury of having a good pool of players. They are lucky as they have a lot of options but we have limitations in certain positions especially in the middle order and we have not been able to fill that position with a settled option and sometimes we have to rush players in, to fill that slot. Obviously if you have choices where players have scored a lot of runs over a long period of time in domestic then you can move towards bringing in those players. This is the problem we have and why we sometimes bring in inexperienced players from the PSL.

I don’t believe in putting all the blame on just the players or just the coaches. You work as a team, and if plans weren’t executed on the field then we are equally to blame as the players. You make plans, you practice and we are all responsible for the execution of those plans. As a team we were below par in terms of our execution of the bowling plans, the lengths, and our field plans. As a team we didn’t execute those plans and when we did execute those bowling plans we were let down by the fielding. If you drop simple catches at crucial stages then you will see the results especially on true pitches and where the ball comes on nicely. If you don’t take wickets then it’s very difficult to stop teams from scoring 7 or 7.5 runs an over. I don’t blame individuals, it’s the fault of all of us. We are all equally responsible for the defeats.

It’s important that all the teams play the same number of matches in the WTC. And it’s important regarding who plays against who and where and I’m sure the ICC and PCB will have looked into this.

The debate regarding favouritism will never end. Whichever XI we pick, there will always be questions as to why the other players didn’t play. We always try to pick the best combination and we always try to give chances based on our bench-strength. There is no favouritism, we always try to pick the best and most balanced team so that we win matches and win series. There is no obligation to play certain players.

Shadab and Faheem are important to the balance of the team as wherever you play, numbers 7 and 8 have to be able to bat as we have seen with Lewis Gregory. Shadab can bat, he can bowl although his bowling hasn’t been at its best recently but it’s important that he regains his form and confidence.

At this moment the form of most of the players isn’t at the level that it should be. Faheem bowled well against South Africa and we see him as a bowler firstly and then we look at his batting as a support. Neither Faheem or Shadab are getting special favours and being picked all the time.

Discipline is important. The coaching staff have a role in this as do the players. If you look at England’s bowlers they beat us through basic disciplines as well as basic disciplines in fielding. We need to concentrate more on such things so that our performances don’t drop. We need to look at our standards and work on our replacements and bench-strength, so that there is no drop in the quality of the team, as England has. We were at full strength and England were completely changed and still we couldn’t compete with them. We need to improve our disciplines and maintain our consistency.

The fielding coach can only try and work with the players. The last few series the fielding was ok, but now suddenly these last few matches have been bad. We need to find the reasons as it’s the same players, same team which did well before, but now suddenly we’ve had problems. The boys were in quarantine for 10 days but I don’t want to make excuses. Something has gone wrong and our momentum has broken and we are finding it difficult to regain that momentum and our standards have slipped. We are looking at what has caused this and what are the reasons for this and it’s important we sort these issues out before the T20I series and then the series in the Caribbean.

It’s wrong to say that everything is going wrong just because we have lost the last few matches. It’s part of the game when your team is developing, you win series and you lose series. But it’s disappointing that our winning streak has ended with such poor performances. We all made mistakes, I accept that we couldn’t execute our plans in bowling and fielding and didn’t take our chances. We should have comfortably won the 3rd ODI but we let it slip. We made mistakes, but it’s wrong to say that everything is going wrong and that nothing has gone right in the last 2 years.

Since Babar has become captain, his performances as a batsman have improved which means that he is handling pressure very well. In terms of captaincy obviously he is new, he’s inexperienced as a captain so he is still learning and he will improve over time. Nobody can be perfect so quickly. Mistakes are made by even the best captains and if you are a young and an inexperienced captain then you will make mistakes and they will be visible. The more experienced you become as a captain, the better you get at it.

We wanted to go in to all of the 3 matches with our best combination. No doubt we didn’t click in the second match but we were confident that this was our best XI. Also the new players had just come off the back of PSL and they’ve not played any 50-over cricket for a while. So after 2 matches the team was in rhythm as they had familiarised themselves with conditions and the opposition. So the players who had been playing had a better idea of conditions, so we felt that this XI had a good chance of winning the 3rd match and that’s why we never made any changes and bring in new players who hadn’t featured in the series at all. Overall the combination was based on the conditions and the pitch that we saw.

The biggest positive was the way we batted in the 3rd match and the form of some of the batsmen. Babar’s career-best ODI innings, Rizwan’s performance, before going into an important T20 series and then to the West Indies, was in my view crucial for us. The last few series all our bowlers did well especially against South Africa. But in this series we were average and below par, we were poor and we need to pick ourselves up. Shaheen, Hassan and Haris have been producing good performances of late and Faheem bowled very well in South Africa. Obviously they’ve not been able to bowl in the last 2 or 3 matches like they have been and how they should have. Hopefully all of these bowlers can make a strong comeback in the next series and improve and help Pakistan win matches once again as they have in the past. This has been an off-colour series, not only for them, but for the whole team in all departments especially our fast-bowling.

England has shown how strong their system is by putting up a very strong second team against us. As far as our middle-order problems are concerned, I want to give players a proper chance and give players at least 1 or 2 full series. Unfortunately the performances have not been there. We support all the players and we give them opportunities but the performances as yet have not come.

Regarding Waqar and I, unfortunately you win 6 series and then you lose 2 or 3 matches and lose 1 series and people forget all the good work we have put in and instead focus on the losses. However, there is no doubt this series has been disappointing, the team performances have been disappointing, the coaches performance has been disappointing. We are a part of the on-field performance, it’s been poor on the field and the coaches performance has been poor, so we need to pick it up.

Which 6 series did Misbah win???

Pak tour of Zim 2021 - WIN
Test: Win 2-0
T20: Win 2-1

Pak tour of SA 2021 - WIN
T20: Win 3-1
ODI: Win 2-1

SA tour of Pak 2021 - WIN
T20: Win 2-1
Test: Win 2-0

Pak tour of NZ 2020-1 - LOST
Test: Lost 0-2
T20: Lost 1-2

Zim tour of Pak 2020 - WIN
T20: Win 3-0
ODI: Win 2-1

Pak tour of Eng 2020 - LOST
Test: Lost 0-1
T20: Tie 1-1

Bangladesh tour of Pak 2020 - WIN
T20: Win 2-0
Test: Win 1-0

SL tour of Pak 2019 - WIN (Test & ODI); LOST (T20)
Test: Win 1-0
ODI: Win 2-0
T20: Lost 0-3

Pak tour of Aus 2019 - LOST
T20: Lost 2-0
Test: Lost 2-0


Overall here is Misbah's record:

Tests:
Played - 14
Won - 6 (1 v SL; 1 v Bang; 2 v SA; 2 v Zim) None against Eng, Aus, NZ
Lost - 5 (2 v Aus; 2 v NZ; 1 v Eng)

ODI:
Played - 12
Won - 6 (2 v SL; 2 v Zim; 2 v SA) None against Eng (Did not play ODIs v NZ, Aus)
Lost - 5 (3 v Eng; 1 v SA; 1 v Zim)
NR - 1 (1 v SL)

T20:
Played - 28
Won - 14 (5 v Zim; 5 v SA; 2 v Bang; 1 v NZ; 1 v Eng) None again Aus
Lost - 11 (3 v SL; 2 v Aus; 2 v NZ; 2 v SA; 1 v Eng; 1 v Zim)
NR - 3 (1 v Aus; 1 v Eng; 1 v Bang)
 
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Rank these feathers in Misbah's cap from Most Humiliating to Least Humiliating:

1. 0-3 T20 defeat vs SL C team at Home (Sep 2019)
2. 2 LOI defeats vs Zim
3. 0-3 ODI defeat vs ENG B team (July 2021)
4. 0-2 Test defeat vs Aus away (Nov 2019)
5. 0-2 T20 defeat vs Aus away (Nov 2019)
6. 0-2 Test defeat vs NZ away (Dec 2020)
 
Rank these feathers in Misbah's cap from Most Humiliating to Least Humiliating:

1. 0-3 T20 defeat vs SL C team at Home (Sep 2019)
2. 2 LOI defeats vs Zim
3. 0-3 ODI defeat vs ENG B team (July 2021)
4. 0-2 Test defeat vs Aus away (Nov 2019)
5. 0-2 T20 defeat vs Aus away (Nov 2019)
6. 0-2 Test defeat vs NZ away (Dec 2020)


More feathers will come WITH England playing their B squad now in T20I
 
Which 6 series did Misbah win???

Pak tour of Zim 2021 - WIN
Test: Win 2-0
T20: Win 2-1

Pak tour of SA 2021 - WIN
T20: Win 3-1
ODI: Win 2-1

SA tour of Pak 2021 - WIN
T20: Win 2-1
Test: Win 2-0

Last 6 series. ODIs, T20s and Test series are counted separately for each tour. The six above are the ones he is referring to which Pak won consecutively.
 
Misbah has lived down to my expectations of him.
At least he did bring in some new players and get rid of some drivel.
Overall he was negative as batsman.... same as coach.

Bring in foreign coach.... Maybe its time to try Wasim....
everyone else has had a go.
 
I felt amidst all the volatile and eccentric personalities in Pakistan cricket Misbah actually sticks out as a normal person.

However don’t think he has any experience as a coach however since i believe he has an MBA etc and is an accomplished cricketer, he should be made like a director or something and have actual coaches who can coach report to him. He doesn’t have to do anything, just absorb the pressure and soak in the abuses he gets most of the times which are uncalled for and face the music whenever Pakistan cricket finds itself in another controversy. I can confidently say he will excel at that. I think Pakistan cricket can use him real well.

Only 2 other guys I can think of who have the kind of stature are probably Wasim and Ramiz. While Wasim has a dark past and also is smart enough to not get into these things, Misbah is obviously way more accomplished than Ramiz.

I think foreign coaches will get along with him a lot better and he can be the bridge that eases any tensions.
 
What difference will he make when players defend simple catches like they did. Players improve their fielding because they want to, not because of fielding coaches.

Taking laps around the ground, Fielding and catching are probably the first things any aspiring cricketer does pretty much at any level. Most domestic leave alone international cricketers know how to take catch. what a fielding coach can do is scenario specific training like catching under lights, keeping your balance a certain way while fielding in different field positions and various drills to fix certain technical issues among players. That is the training side.

Strategy side would be judging the dimensions of the ground or fielding in a certain position to a specific spinner/ bowler who might not be that easy to pick when fielding close by etc etc.

There are plenty of things a very good fielding coach can do.
 
"The last few series the fielding was ok, but now suddenly these last few matches have been bad. We need to find the reasons as it’s the same players, same team which did well before, but now suddenly we’ve had problems. The boys were in quarantine for 10 days but I don’t want to make excuses. Something has gone wrong and our momentum has broken and we are finding it difficult to regain that momentum and our standards have slipped. We are looking at what has caused this and what are the reasons for this and it’s important we sort these issues out before the T20I series and then the series in the Caribbean."

Coach Clueless living up to his reputation! He was Captain Clueless during his playing days and he's continuing the legacy now.

Always wondering and guessing about what has gone wrong. Never comes out with a definitive answer. A dud personality with a cluttered mind - what a joke!
 
"Firstly, we need to look at how England has the luxury by having a pool of players, .. Misbah

But you sure wanna get paid like a luxury coach. And not only that, you want a guaranteed salary for 3 years REGARDLESS of your performance and REGARDLESS of if you get fired.

This is FIRST person PCB should with, when it comes to firing. And make sure he is holding Waqar in his underarms and he walks out. And hopefully that door will hit him hard.
 
Lets do some fund raising to buy some shame for him, he has none.

He will take the cash instead and give you a receipt for his TA/DA to search for shame but couldn't find any, and spent all the funds in the effort.
 
You guys do realise that even if we got rid of Misbah and bought in the worlds best coach, the best results we would get is series wins against the bottom tier teams and maybe a 1 in 10 upset against the top 4. People blaming Misbah are stuck in an echo chamber and will continue to be stuck their for a long long time
 
You guys do realise that even if we got rid of Misbah and bought in the worlds best coach, the best results we would get is series wins against the bottom tier teams and maybe a 1 in 10 upset against the top 4. People blaming Misbah are stuck in an echo chamber and will continue to be stuck their for a long long time

It is a coping mechanism. People have deluded themselves into thinking that without Misbah this team will become world class.

The fact is that our players are just not good enough and there is no quality in domestic cricket either.

We are a truly bankrupt cricket nation – the players are awful and the fans are delusional.
 
I felt amidst all the volatile and eccentric personalities in Pakistan cricket Misbah actually sticks out as a normal person.

However don’t think he has any experience as a coach however since i believe he has an MBA etc and is an accomplished cricketer, he should be made like a director or something and have actual coaches who can coach report to him. He doesn’t have to do anything, just absorb the pressure and soak in the abuses he gets most of the times which are uncalled for and face the music whenever Pakistan cricket finds itself in another controversy. I can confidently say he will excel at that. I think Pakistan cricket can use him real well.

Only 2 other guys I can think of who have the kind of stature are probably Wasim and Ramiz. While Wasim has a dark past and also is smart enough to not get into these things, Misbah is obviously way more accomplished than Ramiz.

I think foreign coaches will get along with him a lot better and he can be the bridge that eases any tensions.

This is the exact problem with our cricket.

We pick coaches / administrators based on qualifications elsewhere. What has getting an MBA got to do with managing a cricket team? Whether a coach or an administrator.

What is “normal person”. We keep thinking Misbah is the man for some kind of job because he is allegedly a nice man, non controversial (thats subjective) and is perceived to be “educated”

We will never get out of this rut until we lose this stupid inferiority complex of looking up to Misbah or anyone else for that matter because they can string together 2 sentences of English and have an MBA.
 
You guys do realise that even if we got rid of Misbah and bought in the worlds best coach, the best results we would get is series wins against the bottom tier teams and maybe a 1 in 10 upset against the top 4. People blaming Misbah are stuck in an echo chamber and will continue to be stuck their for a long long time

Ok can we please try that to prove your point. You are probably right, but what’s the harm in trying something different. We are at the bottom of the bottom.
 
Taking laps around the ground, Fielding and catching are probably the first things any aspiring cricketer does pretty much at any level. Most domestic leave alone international cricketers know how to take catch. what a fielding coach can do is scenario specific training like catching under lights, keeping your balance a certain way while fielding in different field positions and various drills to fix certain technical issues among players. That is the training side.

Strategy side would be judging the dimensions of the ground or fielding in a certain position to a specific spinner/ bowler who might not be that easy to pick when fielding close by etc etc.

There are plenty of things a very good fielding coach can do.

I am not sure a fielding coach can coach guys that cant field. Field coaches need years to make a tangible difference and that starts with age groups and regional teams. Players can off course work on their weaknesses, and that is the best coaching they can receive
 
Misbah-ul-Haq speaking at a press conference earlier today:

There is no way you can defend a performance like that. It was a poor and disappointing performance. In the first 2 matches we couldn’t handle the conditions with our batting. In the last match our batting was better with Babar and Rizwan batting well and we reached a total that we should have defended. Overall a very disappointing performance from the bowling point of view and especially the fielding which throughout the series has been a problem. Nobody can defend such a performance.

If you look back recently at the home and away series against South Africa we performed well in all departments. We were satisfied that we were on the right track but now we are back to where we started. It’s very disappointing but we have to look ahead to see where we want to go and why we performed like this suddenly after doing such excellent work in the last 5 or 6 series. In the last month we played PSL and after that we have looked off-colour and it’s a worrying sign for me as a Head Coach.

England has the luxury of having a good pool of players. They are lucky as they have a lot of options but we have limitations in certain positions especially in the middle order and we have not been able to fill that position with a settled option and sometimes we have to rush players in, to fill that slot. Obviously if you have choices where players have scored a lot of runs over a long period of time in domestic then you can move towards bringing in those players. This is the problem we have and why we sometimes bring in inexperienced players from the PSL.

I don’t believe in putting all the blame on just the players or just the coaches. You work as a team, and if plans weren’t executed on the field then we are equally to blame as the players. You make plans, you practice and we are all responsible for the execution of those plans. As a team we were below par in terms of our execution of the bowling plans, the lengths, and our field plans. As a team we didn’t execute those plans and when we did execute those bowling plans we were let down by the fielding. If you drop simple catches at crucial stages then you will see the results especially on true pitches and where the ball comes on nicely. If you don’t take wickets then it’s very difficult to stop teams from scoring 7 or 7.5 runs an over. I don’t blame individuals, it’s the fault of all of us. We are all equally responsible for the defeats.

It’s important that all the teams play the same number of matches in the WTC. And it’s important regarding who plays against who and where and I’m sure the ICC and PCB will have looked into this.

The debate regarding favouritism will never end. Whichever XI we pick, there will always be questions as to why the other players didn’t play. We always try to pick the best combination and we always try to give chances based on our bench-strength. There is no favouritism, we always try to pick the best and most balanced team so that we win matches and win series. There is no obligation to play certain players.

Shadab and Faheem are important to the balance of the team as wherever you play, numbers 7 and 8 have to be able to bat as we have seen with Lewis Gregory. Shadab can bat, he can bowl although his bowling hasn’t been at its best recently but it’s important that he regains his form and confidence.

At this moment the form of most of the players isn’t at the level that it should be. Faheem bowled well against South Africa and we see him as a bowler firstly and then we look at his batting as a support. Neither Faheem or Shadab are getting special favours and being picked all the time.

Discipline is important. The coaching staff have a role in this as do the players. If you look at England’s bowlers they beat us through basic disciplines as well as basic disciplines in fielding. We need to concentrate more on such things so that our performances don’t drop. We need to look at our standards and work on our replacements and bench-strength, so that there is no drop in the quality of the team, as England has. We were at full strength and England were completely changed and still we couldn’t compete with them. We need to improve our disciplines and maintain our consistency.

The fielding coach can only try and work with the players. The last few series the fielding was ok, but now suddenly these last few matches have been bad. We need to find the reasons as it’s the same players, same team which did well before, but now suddenly we’ve had problems. The boys were in quarantine for 10 days but I don’t want to make excuses. Something has gone wrong and our momentum has broken and we are finding it difficult to regain that momentum and our standards have slipped. We are looking at what has caused this and what are the reasons for this and it’s important we sort these issues out before the T20I series and then the series in the Caribbean.

It’s wrong to say that everything is going wrong just because we have lost the last few matches. It’s part of the game when your team is developing, you win series and you lose series. But it’s disappointing that our winning streak has ended with such poor performances. We all made mistakes, I accept that we couldn’t execute our plans in bowling and fielding and didn’t take our chances. We should have comfortably won the 3rd ODI but we let it slip. We made mistakes, but it’s wrong to say that everything is going wrong and that nothing has gone right in the last 2 years.

Since Babar has become captain, his performances as a batsman have improved which means that he is handling pressure very well. In terms of captaincy obviously he is new, he’s inexperienced as a captain so he is still learning and he will improve over time. Nobody can be perfect so quickly. Mistakes are made by even the best captains and if you are a young and an inexperienced captain then you will make mistakes and they will be visible. The more experienced you become as a captain, the better you get at it.

We wanted to go in to all of the 3 matches with our best combination. No doubt we didn’t click in the second match but we were confident that this was our best XI. Also the new players had just come off the back of PSL and they’ve not played any 50-over cricket for a while. So after 2 matches the team was in rhythm as they had familiarised themselves with conditions and the opposition. So the players who had been playing had a better idea of conditions, so we felt that this XI had a good chance of winning the 3rd match and that’s why we never made any changes and bring in new players who hadn’t featured in the series at all. Overall the combination was based on the conditions and the pitch that we saw.

The biggest positive was the way we batted in the 3rd match and the form of some of the batsmen. Babar’s career-best ODI innings, Rizwan’s performance, before going into an important T20 series and then to the West Indies, was in my view crucial for us. The last few series all our bowlers did well especially against South Africa. But in this series we were average and below par, we were poor and we need to pick ourselves up. Shaheen, Hassan and Haris have been producing good performances of late and Faheem bowled very well in South Africa. Obviously they’ve not been able to bowl in the last 2 or 3 matches like they have been and how they should have. Hopefully all of these bowlers can make a strong comeback in the next series and improve and help Pakistan win matches once again as they have in the past. This has been an off-colour series, not only for them, but for the whole team in all departments especially our fast-bowling.

England has shown how strong their system is by putting up a very strong second team against us. As far as our middle-order problems are concerned, I want to give players a proper chance and give players at least 1 or 2 full series. Unfortunately the performances have not been there. We support all the players and we give them opportunities but the performances as yet have not come.

Regarding Waqar and I, unfortunately you win 6 series and then you lose 2 or 3 matches and lose 1 series and people forget all the good work we have put in and instead focus on the losses. However, there is no doubt this series has been disappointing, the team performances have been disappointing, the coaches performance has been disappointing. We are a part of the on-field performance, it’s been poor on the field and the coaches performance has been poor, so we need to pick it up.

my personal opinion is that Misbah apparently has exonerated the fielding coach and mentioned the inexperience of Babar Azam rather openly.
That last paragraph is a better response.
 
It is a coping mechanism. People have deluded themselves into thinking that without Misbah this team will become world class.

The fact is that our players are just not good enough and there is no quality in domestic cricket either.

We are a truly bankrupt cricket nation – the players are awful and the fans are delusional.

So what? Pakistan should try to lose all the games? Not try to improve. You always find the problem but never provide a solution.
 
You guys do realise that even if we got rid of Misbah and bought in the worlds best coach, the best results we would get is series wins against the bottom tier teams and maybe a 1 in 10 upset against the top 4. People blaming Misbah are stuck in an echo chamber and will continue to be stuck their for a long long time

Very casual for you to say this knowing that any top coach will not be applying the same strategies applied by Misbah. Strategies that suit your agenda
 
You guys do realise that even if we got rid of Misbah and bought in the worlds best coach, the best results we would get is series wins against the bottom tier teams and maybe a 1 in 10 upset against the top 4. People blaming Misbah are stuck in an echo chamber and will continue to be stuck their for a long long time

So your saying no one can do better than a inexperienced coach.
 
So what? Pakistan should try to lose all the games? Not try to improve. You always find the problem but never provide a solution.

The only solution is for the fans to lower their expectations.

Pakistan is not capable of producing a top tier team.
 
So your saying no one can do better than a inexperienced coach.

As I said in my post, we will do better against low tier teams such as Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, West Indies, South Africa etc and we wont see performances such as our whitewash to SL C or loses against Zimbabwe. However, it's obvious that most fans and posters here expect much more from Pakistan and think under the correct management we will miraculously become some powerhouse that has the ability to compete with top teams and perform to the same extent of the top 4. That unfortunately will not happen anytime soon as their's currently a shortage of talent, game awareness and overall cricketing sense within Pakistan's domestic and grass-route structure.

So yes I agree other coaches will do better than Misbah, however the results these coaches will produce will not satisfy our deluded fans. The second a new coach, whether it be Andy Flower or some other big name fails, than we will see threads coming together blaming them for our short comings.
 
Very casual for you to say this knowing that any top coach will not be applying the same strategies applied by Misbah. Strategies that suit your agenda

Yeah your right. It's the strategies not the lack of any skill or talent that has resulted in our downfall. I mean look at our performances against England, Australia and India with the meticulous strategies of Mickey Arthur- 4-0 against England, 5-0 against Australia and 3 absolute humiliations against India. Such brilliant strategies
 
Why PCB is covering up for the fielding coach? There is no mention of name of this coach if you google it. Pathetic!! Its amazing how people like these get top jobs without meeting the job criteria.
 
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Yeah your right. It's the strategies not the lack of any skill or talent that has resulted in our downfall. I mean look at our performances against England, Australia and India with the meticulous strategies of Mickey Arthur- 4-0 against England, 5-0 against Australia and 3 absolute humiliations against India. Such brilliant strategies

Misbah fans coping mechanism on full show here

“A top coach like Mickey also had terrible results”
 
Misbah fans coping mechanism on full show here

“A top coach like Mickey also had terrible results”

I mean where are his great results. A fluke champions trophy? A series draw against England which was achieved by a squad organised and developed by the devil Misbah?

Also if you consider all these achievements - 2-0 loss to Sri Lanka in our fortress UAE, 5-0 loss to New Zealand and Australia, 4-0 loss to England, 3-0 test loss to Australia, 2-0 test loss to New Zealand, a group stage Asia Cup knock out with 2 humiliating performances against India and a loss to Bangladesh - a performance given to you by a top coach than the standard of coaching in 2021 must be terribly pathetic
 
Even if people lower their expectations, no one would want Pakistan to lose to an England D side.

It is not what we want but it is what we should expect.

The reserve players of England, India, Australia and New Zealand have more talent and mental fortitude than our main players.

In fact, even West Indies is a better team than Pakistan now unless the conditions are spin-friendly.

Pakistani fans should be content with the fact that they will remain a solid Test team on spinning wickets against all teams (except India) as long as Yasir’s shoulder is holding up.

However, I dread for Pakistan’s future in Tests on spinning wickets after Yasir is done. Our batsmen, including Babar, are average against spin and and the next generation of spinners do not look Test quality.

Ajmal was easily replaced by Yasir who is a much better Test spinner, but I don’t think Pakistan can replace Yasir any time soon.

He is still the MVP of Pakistan Test cricket in spite of the fact that he is useless on non-spinning tracks.
 
It is not what we want but it is what we should expect.

The reserve players of England, India, Australia and New Zealand have more talent and mental fortitude than our main players.

In fact, even West Indies is a better team than Pakistan now unless the conditions are spin-friendly.

Pakistani fans should be content with the fact that they will remain a solid Test team on spinning wickets against all teams (except India) as long as Yasir’s shoulder is holding up.

However, I dread for Pakistan’s future in Tests on spinning wickets after Yasir is done. Our batsmen, including Babar, are average against spin and and the next generation of spinners do not look Test quality.

Ajmal was easily replaced by Yasir who is a much better Test spinner, but I don’t think Pakistan can replace Yasir any time soon.

He is still the MVP of Pakistan Test cricket in spite of the fact that he is useless on non-spinning tracks.

Most people on this forum do not appreciate the value of having Yasir Shah on the team. A good spell from him usually changes the tide of the game, and he is a very smart bowler.

The talk about conditions is also a bit confusing because personally, I believe that his record in SENA could have been much better had he been used to attack not defend runs.

With spinners like Ashwin, you can give them a slip and a guy close to the bat, and he will keep the run-rate low due to his accuracy. An off-spinner usually starts off by being defensive, and after picking up a wicket or two, they begin to attack (SENA conditions). An off-spinner can also be used to defend because they are incredibly accurate, much more accurate than leg-spinners.

Every series in the SENA where Yasir has played, he has been given the role of restricting the run-rate, and has rarely had fielders to support him trying to get a wicket. All successful leg-spinners of the past were treated as a wicket-taking option, but whenever we go overseas, Yasir is asked to step back.

I'm hoping to see Babar utilize Yasir in a more attacking method when we tour overseas, because he is a game-changer.

Sajid Khan and the other newcomers are poor spinners who lack control, flight, and are expensive. Even Zafar Gohar, who most including myself thought was a decent option, got absolutely clobbered in New Zealand.

This WTC is Pakistan's best chance of winning silverware whilst Yasir is still fit and playing well, because after his retirement, we will go back to the likes of Shadab and Gohar, and that will be a point where our bowling will collapse.
 
To me this series has highlighted that the issue doesn’t lie with Misbah.

Do you really think if we’d chosen a different playing 11 we would’ve won? The straightforward answer is no.

We’re going through a major drought at the moment, one in which we have no international quality players apart from Babar and Shaheen and that too on a good day. There’s no savior sat on the sidelines that will change our fortunes. It’s about time we create a new criteria for our players and our team, because we’ll be constantly disappointed if we compare our players with other international teams
 
To me this series has highlighted that the issue doesn’t lie with Misbah.

Do you really think if we’d chosen a different playing 11 we would’ve won? The straightforward answer is no.

We’re going through a major drought at the moment, one in which we have no international quality players apart from Babar and Shaheen and that too on a good day. There’s no savior sat on the sidelines that will change our fortunes. It’s about time we create a new criteria for our players and our team, because we’ll be constantly disappointed if we compare our players with other international teams

Cricket has changed now compared to the 70's and 90's. Just having good natural ability is not enough, the Big 4-5 teams do a lot of technical studying of the opposition and have adapted scientific methods to take their games to the next level. It is no surprise that Pakistan is producing plenty of cricketers who start with a bang and then eventually stagnate or go downhill and never recover. To me this indicates a serious work ethic problem with the players and also the fact that the domestic cricket, academies, coaches they go back too are just not good enough.

The overall system in Pakistan has been sitting idle for so long whereas the other teams were moving forward. Only now EM, WK have taken the unpopular decision to stream line domestic cricket and academies in Pakistan against resistance and you will not see results immediately, perhaps 5-10 years later. Till then the players, coaches have to find a way to maximize the results with whatever resources are available.
 
To me this series has highlighted that the issue doesn’t lie with Misbah.

Do you really think if we’d chosen a different playing 11 we would’ve won? The straightforward answer is no.

We’re going through a major drought at the moment, one in which we have no international quality players apart from Babar and Shaheen and that too on a good day. There’s no savior sat on the sidelines that will change our fortunes. It’s about time we create a new criteria for our players and our team, because we’ll be constantly disappointed if we compare our players with other international teams

You people just aren't getting it. It's not just about picking different players but a good coach should be able to motivate his players, give 100%, play for their team mates and country etc. He's clueless in how to adopt the correct strategies or just doesn't work hard enough or both.

Does Misbah instil that type of confidence, no he doesn't. He has a loser mentality gleaned from years of getting thrashed as captain of the ODI team that it doesn't bother him that much. Picking up the hefty pay cheques and providing excuses seems to be the only thing he does well.

This series has highlighted that Misbah is a mediocre coach. It's not his fault though has he simply does not have the credentials. Waqar on the other hand has been stealing a living for so long he doesn't even bother hide it these days.
 
Misbah is a totally mediocre coach, who doesn't understand modern cricket. If he was the coach 30-40 years, maybe he would have done well, but in this day and age, his approach is completely outdated. Unfortunately, no one in the PCB realises that.
 
So because Misbah has a MBA he’s intelligent, he probably got someone else to do the exams!
 
So because Misbah has a MBA he’s intelligent, he probably got someone else to do the exams!

Many Matric failed cricket fans look at Misbah as their dream idol. “A cricketer with an MBA degree”.

They can’t comprehend that MBA’s are actually penny a pound.
 
You people just aren't getting it. It's not just about picking different players but a good coach should be able to motivate his players, give 100%, play for their team mates and country etc. He's clueless in how to adopt the correct strategies or just doesn't work hard enough or both.

Does Misbah instil that type of confidence, no he doesn't. He has a loser mentality gleaned from years of getting thrashed as captain of the ODI team that it doesn't bother him that much. Picking up the hefty pay cheques and providing excuses seems to be the only thing he does well.

This series has highlighted that Misbah is a mediocre coach. It's not his fault though has he simply does not have the credentials. Waqar on the other hand has been stealing a living for so long he doesn't even bother hide it these days.

You’re right. Misbah isn’t all that. But no coach who is ‘all that’ will change Pakistan cricket. [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] said it right, for us to succeed we need to change our domestic circuit and the way we approach cricket, until then our cricket isn’t going anywhere and it’s not going anywhere for the next 5-10 years.

There’s a reason Mickey Arthur won 10(?) ODI’s out of the last 30 we played. We’re just not at that level. Who’s the next coach you have in mind? Because they’re not gonna turn us into world beaters.

On a scale of 1-100 our upper limit at 60, and right now we’re performing at 50. Even if you bring the worlds best coach into the side, we’re gonna top out at 60 because we don’t have the quality in our players to get past that upper limit.

Until then, we need to cherish the rare win over the top teams and lower our expectations of what we truly are, and that is an average team.

Realistically, the only reason we are being invited to places like Australia and England and New Zealand is because we have a fan base that shows up and brings in the money. and you can’t blame the fans because they have to support the team. But if our fan base wasn’t as strong, we’d be amongst the Bangladesh, Windies and Sri Lanka’s of international cricket
 
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