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Asad got dropped of starc as well. Starc also would have had better figures if his catches were held.
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Mitchell Starc vs Mohammad Amir in the Australia vs Pakistan 2016/17 series
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Asad got dropped of starc as well. Starc also would have had better figures if his catches were held.
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So what at the end of the day he is the winner and when the match was going away from his team he come up with his best and done what he capable of
Starc easily wins the battle if you think sensibly
I'm just pointing out the guy is not that great as made out to be, balls alot of hit me balls along with some really good deliveries.. very inconsistent and blows hot and cold
Amir has yet to prove himself at the test level. Apart from the series in England in 2010, he has never lit up any series on fire. He bowls well but unless you get wickets you are hardly a test match material.
Amir has been all cold in tests!
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Amir outperformed Starc this match, and Pakistan bowled better than Aus from day 2 onwards.
Really??Starc : 7/182 Avg : 26 SR: 48
Amir: 5/134 avg: 26.8: 46.8
Where is the outperformance? And I think the bowler who ends with the wickets in winning cause matters more.
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Starc was the better bowler but there are reasons for that. His home ground, advantage of being able to bowl in the night with favourable conditions for bowlers and he had good support from Hazlewood and Bird. Its a well known fact that fast bowlers hunt in pairs and Hazlewood provided that partnership.
But, the fact is, had Amir even gotten 10 wickets in this match, I would still go for Starc for the sole reason of that last well set Asad Shafiq wicket. The way they were moving and how even Yasir Shah was easily playing Bird and co with ease proves that it was a pressure situation and Pakistan had a good chance to take the match but the last spell from Starc was fierce. He ran in and bowled at speeds of late 140's on the fifth day of the test match. And to extract that type of bounce from a 60 over old ball is awesome. Jaffa delivery.
But, the fact is, had Amir even gotten 10 wickets in this match, I would still go for Starc for the sole reason of that last well set Asad Shafiq wicket. The way they were moving and how even Yasir Shah was easily playing Bird and co with ease proves that it was a pressure situation and Pakistan had a good chance to take the match but the last spell from Starc was fierce. He ran in and bowled at speeds of late 140's on the fifth day of the test match. And to extract that type of bounce from a 60 over old ball is awesome. Jaffa delivery.
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No one rating him as a test great yet but has potentional if he stay away from injuries
He gone for runs because he is not a stereotypic bowler who always stick on his lengths and that make him lethal,he always like to pitch up the ball some times it end up as a juicy half volley otherwise it can be a swinging one which is hard to pick and thats always his way to get the wickets
At the present cricket i world say he's one of the genuine match winning fast bowler(their are only few realistically)
In the match review of the game, Mike Hussey mentioned Starc has not been at his best in this game, even though he picked up 7 wickets he wasn't consistently bowling one line.. and his swing has been missing, however he showed glimpses of that in swinging full length delivery when he got Sarfaraz out, but by and large he has been very wayward.. which showed in his stats in the end
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Starc was bowling at 149, 147, 145. Amir needs to crank up his pace to compete with Starc.
I get that Amir is a good fastbowler but why are there are so many excuse threads when he doesn't deliver?
Dropped Catches:
Parthiv Patel just dropped Cook off Ashwin. I don't see anyone crying for Ashwin?
Pitch advantages:
It was a helpful condition for fast bowler, but no this has to include "home" too! Does an Asian spinner gets credit for performing in Asia other than his own country?
Hunting in pairs:
Pakistan has pretty decent stock of fast bowlers, but Amir needs a McGrath at the other end.
Stop feeding brownie points to Amir. Its been a year since his return.
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I haven't seen that much of Starc, but I do feel Amir has not really had as much impact as I perhaps unfairly hoped for.
However, based on this test alone, think he was the better of the two, just marginally. Credit to Starc for producing a ripper to get Shafiq, but by and large I felt Bird looked the most threatening on the final day, when he was starting to get some reverse.
However I don't really buy into going gaga over Starc getting the wicket that saved Australia from lets face it what would have been an embarrassing defeat. If situations were reversed and Amir bowled ~40 overs, I think the usual culprits would be going on about how disappointing he was ("Even with so much scoreboard pressure can't get wickets" etc...).
However, based on this test alone, think he was the better of the two, just marginally. Credit to Starc for producing a ripper to get Shafiq, but by and large I felt Bird looked the most threatening on the final day, when he was starting to get some reverse.
However I don't really buy into going gaga over Starc getting the wicket that saved Australia from lets face it what would have been an embarrassing defeat. If situations were reversed and Amir bowled ~40 overs, I think the usual culprits would be going on about how disappointing he was ("Even with so much scoreboard pressure can't get wickets" etc...).
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If you look at batsmen,
Amir got 2 pure batsmen wickets in entire match. Amir twice got rid of Warner. Other wickets were Wade and tails.
Starc got rid of Asad in both innings, Azhar in both innings & Aslam in one inning. Other wickets were tails.
Average is not going to tell how valuable contributions they made for their teams. Then Pakistan didn't catch well in first inning and that's not going to show up in averages as well.
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Really a joke to compare them
Amir's bowling is on a different level to Starc.
Amir's bowling is on a different level to Starc.
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Yes it is a joke indeed. Amir is well below Starc's level.
The spell of reverse-swing that Starc produced today, Amir isn't capable of it even in his dreams.
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Starc's first few spells today were very ineffective.
In ODIs, Starc >>>> Amir
In tests, Starc > Amir.
In ODIs, Starc >>>> Amir
In tests, Starc > Amir.
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As I said before,
Starc is on a different level
Joke to compare them
Starc's won Aus 2 matches on last day now
Starc is on a different level
Joke to compare them
Starc's won Aus 2 matches on last day now
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Thats what a champion bowler capable of
He came up when his team needed him the most
When he is in one of these moods not many batsmen around the world will survive
He came up when his team needed him the most
When he is in one of these moods not many batsmen around the world will survive
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Starc is way ahead of Amir.. Amir is a good bowler but nowhere near Starc's class
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Starc has left Amir in the dust.
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Misjudged Starc, there were periods when he looked quite unthreatening through the last two matches and I couldn't see what the huge fuss was.
But he delivered the goods when his team needed him most. Sign of a champion bowler.
But he delivered the goods when his team needed him most. Sign of a champion bowler.
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Reversed a bit to a bunch of tailenders with massive pressure on them. Not sure what's the big deal. It was Lyon who broke this game open.
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This is vs Amir.
Amir might have beaten the edge many times, but he can't take the slip fielders out of the equation.
Heck, he doesn't even get LBWs.
All he gets are people praising him as good as Starc when Starc is in different league.
If you keep hoping Amir and Starc at same level, keep hoping for a long time.
for some reason our fast bowlers think its a sin to bowl yoprkers in test cricket even Wahab who has a good yorker seldom use it its really dumb thinking.
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I considered hazlewood a better test bowler than starc. But moments of magic like these truly reveal the greatness of a bowler.
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He didn't do this against the middle order but a bunch of tailenders.
Starc is in his prime. Amir's only recently starting to find his feet after his comeback. Amir will overtake him because he has greater control and his pace is climbing every series.
I don't hope for anything because I backed Starc to become world class before everyone jumped on the bandwagon including the flip fopper. You can bookmark this post. Amir will overtake him. He's actually outbowled him in this match.
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Amir will never overtake Starc in ODI's.
As for tests, looks will not change Amir's fortunes.
I am sure you are one of those who will keep crying about dropped catches off Amir or missed edges and give him hypothetical averages every tour.
When Amir retires with a test average of 27-28 (his ceiling) you will be the first to claim had fielders held on their catches and Amir got those edges he would have averaged 22 or 23.
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When Amir wins us two test matches in UAE with his bowling or any other place (if we consider UAE to be unsuitable for bowlers - because Starc did that in Brisbane and MCG) then come back to me.
Till then mentioning the two in same breath is utter bias.
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You are sure? Provide one post where I've used this as my reasoning.
Stop making baseless assumptions.
And finally stop posting rubbish if you don't know the poster's history.
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All of Amir's missed chances and plays and misses are with the new ball too.
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Let's get this straight, I'm not trying to convince you or anybody here. This is solely my opinion. I've made many look silly before and it will be no different this time.
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From what I have seen, all of Amir's "great" bowling is only with the new ball. He beats the bat, gets edges. After the ball is 15-20 overs old he is gun barrel straight. Doesn't bowl yorker or bouncer. Doesn't hurry the batsmen. Doesn't have the length for reverse. All these are big imitations at the moment
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Amir isn't anywhere close to Starc, but unfortunately for some he is still the best we got.
Find better bowlers than Amir and then we will talk.
Find better bowlers than Amir and then we will talk.
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He's beat the bat throughout.
Oh btw, has Amir's pace dropped to Bhuvi's level yet? L O L
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Amir is no where near Starc.
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I agree with this one whole heartedly.
But it's when people make tall claims like Amir is better than Starc it starts getting ludicrous.
He is the best we got, so we have to live with him.
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I don't need to bookmark this post neither do you.
I will remember your ID, unless you make another one, and you will definitely remember mine, because I don't chase ID's.
Let's see who is silly at the end of their careers.
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Dunno, Bhuvi seems to be getting better results though, after playing on the tracks of WI and India he is averaging 15 this year
Amir's top speed is above Bhuvi but on avg speed Bhuvi is 2-3 kph faster than Amir in all conditions (Bhuvi post 2015) however Bhuvi has swing with both the new and old ball and is a better athlete,the main difference
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Dunno, Bhuvi seems to be getting better results though, after playing on the tracks of WI and India he is averaging 15 this year
Surely, you know. Or did you not watch the game therefore shouldn't be talking on Amir's bowling this match?
Amir needs to become a little bit more consistent with the bat. Other than that he needs some luck. He beat the edge so many damn times this match, so many dying catches. He's still the best Pakistan has to offer and until we get better he can't be replaced.
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Amir is like a Ishant Sharma type bowler, bowls defensively, he isn't himself yet, he is still fearing that he'll get dropped and plays with a lot of guilt. Not to mention he doesn't have the same pace and strength like Starc.
Satarc creates edges, if his catches are dropped he bowls them out, he is fearsome. Starc is like Wasim and Amir is like Brendan Julien.
Satarc creates edges, if his catches are dropped he bowls them out, he is fearsome. Starc is like Wasim and Amir is like Brendan Julien.
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My favourite Amir (2009-2010) has two innings to impress. If he doesn't than Selection Committee have to drop him else selection committee needs to be fired.
If Amir performs in next Text ie takes more than 6 wickets at an Ave of under 26 fine retain him else drop him. 3 Test series are enough.
Cricket cannot be played on reputation alone. If you perform you stay. If you don't you need to be replaced. Optimum performance is needed.
If Amir performs in next Text ie takes more than 6 wickets at an Ave of under 26 fine retain him else drop him. 3 Test series are enough.
Cricket cannot be played on reputation alone. If you perform you stay. If you don't you need to be replaced. Optimum performance is needed.
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Starc is vastly superior. Amir wil come good just won't be as good as Starc.
Amir isn't even 10% the bowler that Starc is. Starc is on another galaxy. His delusional fans such as Chief Destroyer can keep saying otherwise. It's an insult to Starc to compare him to Amir. Amir can't even in his wildest dreams produce a spell that Starc produced today. Starc is the best pacer today. Amir not even in top 10 lol.
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Starc is much better, I say this as a big Amir fan.
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And in the end it was the best fast bowler playing, Josh Hazlewood, who performed the best
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Didn't you say Amir would be the best bowler in the world once he was back?
It looks like Rabada, Hazlewood and Starc have surpassed him.
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You are just one of those Amir's haters and exaggerating everything without showing any data. I would take 2010 Amir over starc anyday. Amir has not been fit and did not get any support from other bowlers with the new ball. Put bowlers like Asif next to him with the new ball and see how he performs. You need pressure from both bowlers to be successful and amir has been sharing new ball with trundlers like sohail and imran khan.
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Give it time. You don't lose talent.
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He will definitely get it together, but I still feel has no chance of surpassing Rabada or Hazlewood. He might surpass Starc as he isn't consistent bowling the right length and line.
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Here are some stats
Amir
2009 season - average 43.5
2009/10 season - average 41.9
2010 season - average 19.8
2016 season - average 42.4
2016/17 season - average 41.05
In the two seasons he played before the English series, one was in Sri Lanka and the other was in NZ and Australia. In the first he had an in form Gul and Ajmal with him. In the second season in NZ, Aus, Amir had Asif and Gul with him
In 2009/10 season in 5 matches in NZ and Aus with Asif and Gul supporting him, Amir averaged 41.9
In 2016/17 season in 5 matches in NZ and aus without Asif and Gul, Amir averages 42.3
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Starc is probably the 3rd best bowlers of his team behind Hazlewood and Cummins. I hope for him Pattinson doesn't find some form back otherwise he could be dropped.
Even in ODI's, Amir is bowling way better than him.
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