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I remembered the term my man [MENTION=136079]ahmedwaqas92[/MENTION] gave to the following players once:

1. Kamran Akmal
2. Umer Akmal
3. Imran Farhat
4. Ahmed Shehzad
5. Wahab Riaz

Now with the latest Umar Akmal drama being added to the list do you think the Model town gang of 5 has had an overall net negative impact on Pakistan cricket
 
I don't see anything wrong with it, when people post against Karachi Association when they lobby for their players...
 
Slog said:
Haha yes. He's the leader of this gang. Him and Wahab are childhood buddies I think
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Look at Salman Butt's international record and yet he gets so much backing.

Sami Aslam can outdo him in any format of the game, Many other players could.
 
Oye Lahoreeo pohancho.

Yaar ye Lahore k Clubs se, nai nai model town k clubs se jealous hein.


Sloggy watch out for Umari Pacer :) would be another addition to the list of Legends ;)
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Oye Lahoreeo pohancho.

Yaar ye Lahore k Clubs se, nai nai model town k clubs se jealous hein.


Sloggy watch out for Umari Pacer :) would be another addition to the list of Legends ;)
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Umari Pacer?

The listed players are terrible and did not deserve to play for Pakistan as much as they have.
 
Hamza_ said:
Yes, But stats don't lie.
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If Salman Butt has had played most of his Cricket on UAE Phattas what would have been his average ?

Do you know how many of his Tests have been against Top Tests team in difficult conditions ?


Do you know his FC average if you minus Test Average ?


When Salman & Hafeez were playing against same oppositions and same conditions what were there averages ?


Umar Akmal has scored as many Test Runs after this many Test Innings as Matthews and Williamson had made by thst stage ie these many matches.


Imran Farhat was dropped at a wrong time when his pair along with toufeeq was doinf fine. His game regressed by this Jolt. After this he only made comebacks because of Mohammad Ilyas being in Board. Still he was scoring in domestic and the alternatives again were who ? Khurram Manzoor, Khalid Latif and a similar PIA opener.


Faisal Iqbal played 25-26 Tests while Bazid, Musbah and Asim were rotting in FC.


Kamran had a long stinct beause his peers Shakeel, Atiq weren't good enough. When he was dropped due to keeping mainly, keeping was a huge concern because he was shelling chances left right and our priority was to select best keeper even if his batting isn't great so Adnan at that time was best keeper in Pakistan hence Sarfraz's time got delayed.


Wahab has made the cut because if being the Fastest in Pakistan plus he got longer runs because of his performances in some crucial Tests, Odi's or T20's.


Ahmed Shehzad has that Superstar tag. Only Ahsan could give him tough time post 2012 but He wasn't even getting games in domestic. Shahzaib's fitness was very poor and same with Sharjeel otherwise both of them would have dislodged Shehzad despite Superstar tag post 2012.


So look at the Statistics in Context rather than in Isolation.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
If Salman Butt has had played most of his Cricket on UAE Phattas what would have been his average ?

Do you know how many of his Tests have been against Top Tests team in difficult conditions ?


Do you know his FC average if you minus Test Average ?


When Salman & Hafeez were playing against same oppositions and same conditions what were there averages ?


Umar Akmal has scored as many Test Runs after this many Test Innings as Matthews and Williamson had made by thst stage ie these many matches.


Imran Farhat was dropped at a wrong time when his pair along with toufeeq was doinf fine. His game regressed by this Jolt. After this he only made comebacks because of Mohammad Ilyas being in Board. Still he was scoring in domestic and the alternatives again were who ? Khurram Manzoor, Khalid Latif and a similar PIA opener.


Faisal Iqbal played 25-26 Tests while Bazid, Musbah and Asim were rotting in FC.


Kamran had a long stinct beause his peers Shakeel, Atiq weren't good enough. When he was dropped due to keeping mainly, keeping was a huge concern because he was shelling chances left right and our priority was to select best keeper even if his batting isn't great so Adnan at that time was best keeper in Pakistan hence Sarfraz's time got delayed.


Wahab has made the cut because if being the Fastest in Pakistan plus he got longer runs because of his performances in some crucial Tests, Odi's or T20's.


Ahmed Shehzad has that Superstar tag. Only Ahsan could give him tough time post 2012 but He wasn't even getting games in domestic. Shahzaib's fitness was very poor and same with Sharjeel otherwise both of them would have dislodged Shehzad despite Superstar tag post 2012.


So look at the Statistics in Context rather than in Isolation.
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So you are trying to explain for our persistence with these mediocre players. And what you're saying is like anything could've happened.

But considering attitude towards game and the skills of these players it's unlikely they would've been worth investing. Nasir Jamshed was the only player among these guys I really liked but he forgot how to bat or those other reasons you know......
 
Wahab is marginally better, he has done his bit at times in test matches.
 
Moiza said:
Wahab is marginally better, he has done his bit at times in test matches.
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AND much worse in LOIs.

I can't forget that 444 beating we got really shameful performance. And his ball to Smith, How can a guy bowl like this.
 
Guys make sure no unfounded allegations or regional slurs on this thread
 
You know the rest are absolute garbage when Imran Farhat seems the most accomplished player among the lot :(
 
Salman Butt was a criminally underrated ODI batsman of his time. During the 2004-2010 period, he was the only opener in the country who could score hundreds consistently. Had spot-fixing not happened, he would have surpassed Saeed Anwar's tally of 20 hundreds.

In Tests, he was very inconsistent, but he did show glimpses of his potential against an ATG Australian team, and by 2009-10, he had found his game in T20s as well. In the World T20 2010, he was Pakistan's best batsman by some distance.

At the age of 25-26, he had Pakistan feet at his feet. Number one choice opener across all formats, and was on the brink of becoming the captain in all three formats as well. He had the full backing of the PCB establishment because of his educated persona and family background, due to which he was more marketable compared to his peers like Farhat, Hameed, Taufeeq etc. He also played in the IPL 2008, and would have had other lucrative deals in the CPL, BPL, and of course PSL in the future.

However, he decided to throw all of that away for some quick cash. An absolute tragedy on his part, something that he will have to live with for the rest of his life. Pakistan though, are better off without characters like him and he is not needed anymore in any format.
 
Mamoon said:
Salman Butt was a criminally underrated ODI batsman of his time. During the 2004-2010 period, he was the only opener in the country who could score hundreds consistently. Had spot-fixing not happened, he would have surpassed Saeed Anwar's tally of 20 hundreds.

In Tests, he was very inconsistent, but he did show glimpses of his potential against an ATG Australian team, and by 2009-10, he had found his game in T20s as well. In the World T20 2010, he was Pakistan's best batsman by some distance.

At the age of 25-26, he had Pakistan feet at his feet. Number one choice opener across all formats, and was on the brink of becoming the captain in all three formats as well. He had the full backing of the PCB establishment because of his educated persona and family background, due to which he was more marketable compared to his peers like Farhat, Hameed, Taufeeq etc. He also played in the IPL 2008, and would have had other lucrative deals in the CPL, BPL, and of course PSL in the future.

However, he decided to throw all of that away for some quick cash. An absolute tragedy on his part, something that he will have to live with for the rest of his life. Pakistan though, are better off without characters like him and he is not needed anymore in any format.
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He was another Azhar Ali-paced player.

Wouldnt have survived in modern day ODIs

heck in the domestic one day cup he was striking at 70
 
Slog said:
He was another Azhar Ali-paced player.

Wouldnt have survived in modern day ODIs

heck in the domestic one day cup he was striking at 70
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People big up Salman Butt as if he was the second coming of Anwar or something.....The truth is he was as mediocre as they come and a test average of barely making it to 30.46 is a testament to that.....By the time he was made captain the guy had been in international cricket for 7 YEARS

His ODI numbers aren't that spectacular as well. He's scored 8 hundreds all against INDIA, BANGLADESH and SRI LANKA, remove those numbers from his stats and he'll resemble a tailenderesque batting average.....
 
Mamoon said:
Salman Butt was a criminally underrated ODI batsman of his time. During the 2004-2010 period, he was the only opener in the country who could score hundreds consistently. Had spot-fixing not happened, he would have surpassed Saeed Anwar's tally of 20 hundreds.

In Tests, he was very inconsistent, but he did show glimpses of his potential against an ATG Australian team, and by 2009-10, he had found his game in T20s as well. In the World T20 2010, he was Pakistan's best batsman by some distance.

At the age of 25-26, he had Pakistan feet at his feet. Number one choice opener across all formats, and was on the brink of becoming the captain in all three formats as well. He had the full backing of the PCB establishment because of his educated persona and family background, due to which he was more marketable compared to his peers like Farhat, Hameed, Taufeeq etc. He also played in the IPL 2008, and would have had other lucrative deals in the CPL, BPL, and of course PSL in the future.

However, he decided to throw all of that away for some quick cash. An absolute tragedy on his part, something that he will have to live with for the rest of his life. Pakistan though, are better off without characters like him and he is not needed anymore in any format.
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Butt was always inconsisstent.

I remember 2010 was his high year as he wqs performing in every match and everyone liked him
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
People big up Salman Butt as if he was the second coming of Anwar or something.....The truth is he was as mediocre as they come and a test average of barely making it to 30.46 is a testament to that.....By the time he was made captain the guy had been in international cricket for 7 YEARS

His ODI numbers aren't that spectacular as well. He's scored 8 hundreds all against INDIA, BANGLADESH and SRI LANKA, remove those numbers from his stats and he'll resemble a tailenderesque batting average.....
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Watch now as Junaids will be on you like white on rice.

I've said this hundreds of times on here - Salman Butt was the best of a sorry bunch. I mean compared to Imran Farhat, Imran Nazir, Yasir fisherman Hameed and Khurrum Manzoor of course he'd look like Gordon Greenidge in comparison.
 
Markhor said:
Watch now as Junaids will be on you like white on rice.

I've said this hundreds of times on here - Salman Butt was the best of a sorry bunch. I mean compared to Imran Farhat, Imran Nazir, Yasir fisherman Hameed and Khurrum Manzoor of course he'd look like Gordon Greenidge in comparison.
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I personally believe that out of all these mentioned openers Bandana Farhat was the best bat, both in potential and on field stats.

For a long time Farhat was the leading scorer in our domestics something None of the fisherman, fixer or nazir can claim to be....
 
Each one of them played more than they deserved. Lahories get it easier to break into the team and stay there than the rest
 
Slog said:
He was another Azhar Ali-paced player.

Wouldnt have survived in modern day ODIs

heck in the domestic one day cup he was striking at 70
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He was unlucky to miss out on the UAE feasting, which established the careers of people like Hafeez, who has 11 ODI tons in the UAE era, and was a borderline tail-ender during the 2000's when Butt was the only decent opener in the country. Yes he would have been slow for modern ODIs but he would have remained a fixture in the team.
 
Major said:
Butt was always inconsisstent.

I remember 2010 was his high year as he wqs performing in every match and everyone liked him
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At the age of 25-26, it seemed like he was starting to grow into confidence after all the backing and support by the PCB, and he looked a better player across all formats compared to his 2005-2009 self. In addition, he also had a deal with Adidas and captaincy in all formats was there for the taking.
 
Best name given to thread in quite a while, [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]
 
Karachi posters having a field day :) PS! I'm neither from Karachi nor Lahore..
 
IAJ said:
Karachi posters having a field day :) PS! I'm neither from Karachi nor Lahore..
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I'm from Punjab but not Lahore. These players have been garbage really. Even lahoris may not support these clowns
 
This lot has bottled it so many times
 
Wahab Bhai ki baat hi kuch Aur hai
 
kamran akmal at the start of his career was amazing. quite competent batsman and wicket keeper. he has played some very important innings and taken fantastic catches. yes that period didn't stay long and then he became a liability.but his initial selection was on merit. we tend to mix it with whatever happens later in his career.
 
Bump Bump Bump

The Gang is back Together again Boyes :kakmal

Lhr White Squad

Salman Butt (C)
Wahab Riaz
Kamran Akmal
Umer Akmal

P.S. I think it would be just perfect if they somehow make Saleem Malik the coach of Lahore Whites.
 
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=139982]Sarfarazian92[/MENTION] [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] [MENTION=113742]Hamza_[/MENTION]
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
Bump Bump Bump

The Gang is back Together again Boyes :kakmal

Lhr White Squad

Salman Butt (C)
Wahab Riaz
Kamran Akmal
Umer Akmal

P.S. I think it would be just perfect if they somehow make Saleem Malik the coach of Lahore Whites.
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haha awesome

Salman But reunited with the rest of the gang FINALLY!
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
Bump Bump Bump

The Gang is back Together again Boyes :kakmal

Lhr White Squad

Salman Butt (C)
Wahab Riaz
Kamran Akmal
Umer Akmal

P.S. I think it would be just perfect if they somehow make Saleem Malik the coach of Lahore Whites.
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LMAO this reunion is only going to end in tears for Lhr White fans :maqsood

Tuk Tuk Opener in Butt, Spraygun Riaz as the strike bowler, Dropmal as the most senior member of the team, and Chota Akmal supposedly being the 'best batsman' in the team :rp
 
Sarfarazian92 said:
LMAO this reunion is only going to end in tears for Lhr White fans :maqsood

Tuk Tuk Opener in Butt, Spraygun Riaz as the strike bowler, Dropmal as the most senior member of the team, and Chota Akmal supposedly being the 'best batsman' in the team :rp
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People can hate Wahab for his crap ODI bowling, which is PCBs fault to keep picking him as they cannot differentiate between formats but Wahab the test bowler was there when we went to number one.

Took wickets at crucial times. A partnership breaker. And did some of it on UAE wickets as well. Should not be insulted for that.
 
Amir said:
People can hate Wahab for his crap ODI bowling, which is PCBs fault to keep picking him as they cannot differentiate between formats but Wahab the test bowler was there when we went to number one.

Took wickets at crucial times. A partnership breaker. And did some of it on UAE wickets as well. Should not be insulted for that.
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Wahab is decent in tests, and should stay in the squad.

I was talking about his LOI performances in my previous post.
 
How did they end up playing so many games is mind boggling.

BTW, Butt was no world beater. He was garbage in tests and only bashed minnow bowling attacks in ODIs.
 
Seems like gang of model town is in deep trouble
After Ahmed shehzad,umar akmal,kamran akmal now wahab raiz is also shown the door by mickey and inzi
 
saeed5646 said:
Seems like gang of model town is in deep trouble
After Ahmed shehzad,umar akmal,kamran akmal now wahab raiz is also shown the door by mickey and inzi
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kami could be gone for now but there is no telling he could be drafted later (post-Mickey) since he's claimed "I still have 3-4 years of cricket left" :kakmal :facepalm: :facepalm:

I just hope we don't get to see that day :danish
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
kami could be gone for now but there is no telling he could be drafted later (post-Mickey) since he's claimed "I still have 3-4 years of cricket left" :kakmal :facepalm: :facepalm:

I just hope we don't get to see that day :danish
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Brace your self for pakistan cup kami is not going to spare any bowler and will be on media again
 
saeed5646 said:
Brace your self for Pakistan cup kami is not going to spare any bowler and will be on media again
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I am not entirely worried about the One Day Cup because there is no spot for Kami or even for a genuine deserving batsman from the domestics in our One Day team. All spots in this format are locked in and are of boys who've been performing at the International level.

The Threat of Kami was that he would've been drafted in the T20s and could've wiggled his way forward from there and post PSL this actually was a worry. Now that has been taken care off, I don't think Kami can think of a comeback at least not for another year or maybe until after the World Cup (because that is when Micky's contract will most likely expire)
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
I am not entirely worried about the One Day Cup because there is no spot for Kami or even for a genuine deserving batsman from the domestics in our One Day team. All spots in this format are locked in and are of boys who've been performing at the International level.

The Threat of Kami was that he would've been drafted in the T20s and could've wiggled his way forward from there and post PSL this actually was a worry. Now that has been taken care off, I don't think Kami can think of a comeback at least not for another year or maybe until after the World Cup (because that is when Micky's contract will most likely expire)
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I hate these 5, hope they're done, but I think Shehzad could still be good for Tests in a couple of years when Azhar retires.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
I am not entirely worried about the One Day Cup because there is no spot for Kami or even for a genuine deserving batsman from the domestics in our One Day team. All spots in this format are locked in and are of boys who've been performing at the International level.

The Threat of Kami was that he would've been drafted in the T20s and could've wiggled his way forward from there and post PSL this actually was a worry. Now that has been taken care off, I don't think Kami can think of a comeback at least not for another year or maybe until after the World Cup (because that is when Micky's contract will most likely expire)
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Really hoping for the sake of Pak cricket, Mickey's contract gets extended.
 
Rayyman said:
I hate these 5, hope they're done, but I think Shehzad could still be good for Tests in a couple of years when Azhar retires.
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As much as this may sound as if I am blindly hating on Shehad, that bloke has some severe limitation when playing the moving ball and unless and until he makes a miraculous recovery in realizing where his off stump is I don't think he's even remotely a solutions (Even after Azhar has retired).

People normally confuse Azhar's 'slow paced innings' with Shehzadesque batting but that man is literally an all condition beast as demonstrated during our last overseas leg. What's the point of brining someone if all he's gonna do is be another Hafeez minus the bowling bit i.e. Feast on dead UAE or flat home tracks!
 
emm-tee said:
Really hoping for the sake of Pak cricket, Mickey's contract gets extended.
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The will most definitely depend on how we do in WC19 TBH, if we somehow come on top during that tourney (highly unlikely!) he'll most definitely get an extension unless ofcourse he decides to call it quits himself!
 
And who has just kicked out the Model Town Gang of Five after eight years of trying and been given a free ride ? The current coach which may cause the OP some indigestion...
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="in" dir="ltr">Highest scores in T20Is for Pakistan:<br><br>Ahmad Shahzad 111*<br>Ahmad Shahzad 98*<br>Babar Azam 97*<br>Umar Akmal 94<br>Fakhar Zaman 91<br>Babar Azam 90<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1092095991820496896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2019</a></blockquote>
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All from Model town apparently! (except Fakhar)
 
MenInG said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="in" dir="ltr">Highest scores in T20Is for Pakistan:<br><br>Ahmad Shahzad 111*<br>Ahmad Shahzad 98*<br>Babar Azam 97*<br>Umar Akmal 94<br>Fakhar Zaman 91<br>Babar Azam 90<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1092095991820496896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2019</a></blockquote>
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All from Model town apparently! (except Fakhar)
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You need Lahori's for that aggression in the team it seems. :uakmal
 
The “Show-off Group” (Shadab, Hasan and Faheem) is getting on my nerves now.
 
Never thought salman butt would be back
 
Finally, one of the gang member get into Pak Team... Wouldn't be surprised, others get in after worldcup.

They did one hell of a PR job to get into the team...
 
It almost escaped me that the gang was almost back together for Central punjab in the QeA trophy. Only if Wahab hadn’t given up on red ball cricket.

Did they all play together in the National T20?
 
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