Modern day woke culture - good or bad?

[sweep_shot]

I personally think modern day woke culture is toxic and counterproductive. It has become extremely radical and illogical.

How do you think woke culture started? Did social media help it?

What do you think about woke culture?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Woke culture is good in the sense it brings awareness to the injustices that certain people face based on race, religion, gender and sexual orientation.
Its biggest drawback is that Woke culture is followed by cancel culture too. You make a mistake and you will lose your career, fame and fortune.

The world will be a better place without Woke culture.

 

[sweep_shot]

Woke culture is good in the sense it brings awareness to the injustices that certain people face based on race, religion, gender and sexual orientation.
Its biggest drawback is that Woke culture is followed by cancel culture too. You make a mistake and you will lose your career, fame and fortune.

The world will be a better place without Woke culture.

Yup. This is my view also.

Woke culture has more cons than pros.

If someone has a different (harmless) view, he/she can lose a lot. That's one major drawback.

 

[Robert]

I personally think modern day woke culture is toxic and counterproductive. It has become extremely radical and illogical.

How do you think woke culture started? Did social media help it?

What do you think about woke culture?

Woke was first coined in the USA in the 1930s, to mean an awareness of racism.

Wokeness has expanded to include awareness of all forms of discrimination including that on grounds of religion, sexuality, gender and disability.

So if you oppose Islamophobia, you are Woke to it.

I’m Woke. Or I try to be.

 

[topspin]

I think the OP is a bit lost here and confused here.

He's woke himself.

As mentioned by Robert, if you're against Islamphobia you're also woke.

I think what OP really means is he's against BLM, LGBT, abortion etc.

 

[The_KING]

It’s everything that wrong with the world today. It’s given rise to these weak sensitive snowflakes who get offended over everything. I hate woke culture with a passion.

 

[Major]

Good if it supports your narrative, bad if it goes against it.

 

[James]

Broadly I am supportive of “wokeness”, but I do think the world should be more forgiving in some cases towards people who have made a genuine mistake or misstep and show genuine contrition, particularly if it was years in the past. The woke movement needs to learn how to pardon.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

We all have a definition of what is acceptable/unacceptable wokeness that suits us and our own beliefs.

Many of us will happily applaud comedians for making fun of trans people or gays, but get angry if they make fun of something sacred to us.

In most issues, I'll side with the so called woke over the anti woke, but I must admit that using the term as an insult has slowly crept into my vocabulary.

 

[Robert]

Broadly I am supportive of “wokeness”, but I do think the world should be more forgiving in some cases towards people who have made a genuine mistake or misstep and show genuine contrition, particularly if it was years in the past. The woke movement needs to learn how to pardon.

I don’t think there is a “woke movement”.

I think modern morality is unforgiving though, connected to digital thinking and social media.

I was taught to believe that there is

1. Transgression
2. Punishment
3. Contrition
4. Rehabilitation
5. Forgiveness

Sadly this has changed and there is now

1. Transgression
2. Cancellation

 

[Technics 1210]

Liberalism is to blame.

This wretched ideology is responsible for changing the definition of Woke, and Racism.

Back in the day, discriminating based on colour of skin was racism, today, not liking a bryiani is also racist, thanks to liberalism.

Did I mention tokenism? Oh my.

Then there is cancel culture, the antithesis to free thought/speech.

 

[Kianig89]

Modern day culture is very flexible and accommodating, my boss is in office @ 8:30 sharp and i start office at 12noon

 

[Salma_T]

I think the OP is a bit lost here and confused here.

He's woke himself.

As mentioned by Robert, if you're against Islamphobia you're also woke.

I think what OP really means is he's against BLM, LGBT, abortion etc.

Why have a problem with BLM, Abortion or LGBTI.....shouldn't we be aware of injustices and speak up...isn't thay what "Woke" is all about?

 

[sweep_shot]

Why have a problem with BLM, Abortion or LGBTI.....shouldn't we be aware of injustices and speak up...isn't thay what "Woke" is all about?

I believe injustices shouldn't happen and I side with the struggle of black people. However, I feel BLM movement has been hijacked by anarchists.

Regarding abortion, I dislike abortion. I am against abortion completely after 120 days (excluding medical emergencies).

Regarding LGBTQ, I am sure I don't have to tell you why I oppose this. All Abrahamic religions (including Islam) prohibit this lifestyle.

 

[sweep_shot]

I don’t think there is a “woke movement”.

I think modern morality is unforgiving though, connected to digital thinking and social media.

I was taught to believe that there is

1. Transgression
2. Punishment
3. Contrition
4. Rehabilitation
5. Forgiveness

Sadly this has changed and there is now

1. Transgression
2. Cancellation

I agree.

There is an unforgiving aspect to cancel culture. Once you are "cancelled", it can be hard to get back to a normal life.

 

[Stewie]

If your definition of the term is along the lines of the narrow minded conservatives, sure, it is bad!


But if you consider the term in its true spirit, its nothing but good for all mankind.

 

[Salma_T]

I believe injustices shouldn't happen and I side with the struggle of black people. However, I feel BLM movement has been hijacked by anarchists.

Regarding abortion, I dislike abortion. I am against abortion completely after 120 days (excluding medical emergencies).

Regarding LGBTQ, I am sure I don't have to tell you why I oppose this. All Abrahamic religions (including Islam) prohibit this lifestyle.

How does a woman having an abortion if her own choice impact your life or a lgbt community member?
In regards to BLM seems a lot of Asians are hung up just like white supremacists on the Marxist element and not the actual subject matter!

 

[sweep_shot]

How does a woman having an abortion if her own choice impact your life or a lgbt community member?
In regards to BLM seems a lot of Asians are hung up just like white supremacists on the Marxist element and not the actual subject matter!

It is not about whether or not it is impacting my life. It is about supporting and condemning based on my faith (Islam) and personal values.

As per Hanafi madhab (the madhab I follow), abortion is prohibited after 120 days (excluding medical emergencies). Other madhabs are stricter than this.

Regarding LGBTQ, I am not saying these folks should be harassed or abused. But, I have a right to oppose the lifestyle peacefully because my religion is against it.

Why would you want to ignore the Marxist element of BLM? I have already mentioned that I recognize and support black people in their struggles. But, I also despise the anarchists (whether they are black, brown, or white). These anarchists should be locked up in my opinion.

 

[Itachi]

Good if it supports your narrative, bad if it goes against it.

This sums it up.

It varies from case to case.

 

[Itachi]

How does a woman having an abortion if her own choice impact your life or a lgbt community member?
In regards to BLM seems a lot of Asians are hung up just like white supremacists on the Marxist element and not the actual subject matter!

What is Islam's view on abortion?

 

[Salma_T]

What is Islam's view on abortion?

Islam has varying views on abortion but the agreed abortion limit is 120 days (4 months) which is inline with lost western country laws of 20 weeks!

 

[Salma_T]

It is not about whether or not it is impacting my life. It is about supporting and condemning based on my faith (Islam) and personal values.

As per Hanafi madhab (the madhab I follow), abortion is prohibited after 120 days (excluding medical emergencies). Other madhabs are stricter than this.

Regarding LGBTQ, I am not saying these folks should be harassed or abused. But, I have a right to oppose the lifestyle peacefully because my religion is against it.

Why would you want to ignore the Marxist element of BLM? I have already mentioned that I recognize and support black people in their struggles. But, I also despise the anarchists (whether they are black, brown, or white). These anarchists should be locked up in my opinion.

Their lifestyle doesn't impact yours....if you lived under Islamic rule then you would not encounter such lifestyle.....but you live in a society that you can practice your faith/lifestyle and others have the right too.

How many anarchists are there or is that a narrative pushed by right wing media?

 

[Itachi]

Their lifestyle doesn't impact yours....if you lived under Islamic rule then you would not encounter such lifestyle.....but you live in a society that you can practice your faith/lifestyle and others have the right too.

How many anarchists are there or is that a narrative pushed by right wing media?

Even if something doesn't impact me directly, should I not have the right to object it?

 

[Salma_T]

Even if something doesn't impact me directly, should I not have the right to object it?

Why would you? Why can't we live our lives and let other live?

 

[Robert]

Regarding LGBTQ, I am sure I don't have to tell you why I oppose this. All Abrahamic religions (including Islam) prohibit this lifestyle.

So don’t do it yourself, and your behaviour will be coherent with the tenets of your religion.

I opine that what others do is not your business unless it hurts others. And their freedom to act according to their nature should be upheld.

 

[Itachi]

Why would you? Why can't we live our lives and let other live?

If my drunk neighbor is beating his wife/son, then should I keep quiet because it doesn't affect me "directly"?

 

[Itachi]

So don’t do it yourself, and your behaviour will be coherent with the tenets of your religion.

I opine that what others do is not your business unless it hurts others. And their freedom to act according to their nature should be upheld.

"unless it hurts others."

I've seen many non binary, gender neutrals imposing their views on their kids which is just a year or two old. I believe it hurts the kid (.... The other person mentioned in your statement) and his natural progress due to indoctrination.

According to your view, should it just let be continued or someone should speak up?

 

[Salma_T]

If my drunk neighbor is beating his wife/son, then should I keep quiet because it doesn't affect me "directly"?

How does someone having sex with the same gender effect you or a woman ending an unwanted pregnancy?

The example you given is in most countries is breaking the law be it behind close doors? (You may argue that some countries have laws against LGBTI and abortion too but how that destroy society)

 

[Robert]

"unless it hurts others."

I've seen many non binary, gender neutrals imposing their views on their kids which is just a year or two old. I believe it hurts the kid (.... The other person mentioned in your statement) and his natural progress due to indoctrination.

According to your view, should it just let be continued or someone should speak up?

Not sure how you can impose someone's sexuality on them. Numerous hetero couples have kids who are still gay despite heteronormative "indoctrination".

If they were beating the kid, then it would be your duty of care to take action.

 

[Salma_T]

Not sure how you can impose someone's sexuality on them. Numerous hetero couples have kids who are still gay despite heteronormative "indoctrination".

If they were beating the kid, then it would be your duty of care to take action.

Sane voices on this platform....yes it Pur duty of care to our neighbours.

 

[Technics 1210]

Liberalism is enforcing the LBGT ideology on society, how? Lets start with how liberalism is brainwashing Children.

Yes, stop and think, children as young as 6 are being taught this nonsense in school.

On one hand science is teaching children that a male and female are required to procreate, then in the next class, homosexuality is all the rage. This is daylight confusion for a child, and mental abuse quite frankly.

On top of this, this filth is being promoted on children's TV programs; everything from BBC Children, to Disney, it is just not safe anymore to leave a child on a kids channel because of the dangers of liberalism and their propaganda.

Schools are now refusing to refer to children using He/She pronouns, letters have been sent out to parents, what kind of horseshit is this?

If liberalism is really hell bent on teaching the realities of the world, then why not teach children the realities of war? Starting with horrific images of the dead and injured? Or how about teach children the horrors of rape? Might as well go all guns blazing if the aim it to educate children on the realities of humanity. Yes?

On top of this, it's a scientific fact that Homosexuality is responsible for deadly diseases. NHS had a lifetime ban on homosexuals donating blood; now even more stringent rules are in place for homosexuals. Lets teach this to children? AIDS/HIV is far more prominent in Homosexuals, lets teach this fact to children.

If liberals really must make society aware of the LGBT, wait till children are 18 and let them make the adult choice, instead of brainwashing them at a young age. Remember these are the same lot who weep and wallow about indoctrinating children with religion!

 

[Kroll]

I'm not really into these internet buzzwords.

 

[Technics 1210]

On the topic of BLM, beside the fact the movement has fallen flat on its head because people are realising there is more black on black crime, taking the knee has completely and utterly backfired.

England vs Hungary football match of late, England players took the knee, and it was Hungarian CHILDREN that were chanting racist slurs and boos!

https://www.skysports.com/football/...knee-before-nations-league-opener-in-budapest

Well done Liberals, instead of educating children, you have polluted their minds with this virtue signaling propaganda rubbish, and have spawned a generation of haters. Well done. Pat yourselves on your back.

 

[sweep_shot]

So don’t do it yourself, and your behaviour will be coherent with the tenets of your religion.

I opine that what others do is not your business unless it hurts others. And their freedom to act according to their nature should be upheld.

Of course.

People can do whatever and I cannot physically or verbally stop them. However, I can condemn the action internally.

 

[Itachi]

Not sure how you can impose someone's sexuality on them. Numerous hetero couples have kids who are still gay despite heteronormative "indoctrination".

If they were beating the kid, then it would be your duty of care to take action.

The issue is drawing the line. There are no strict guidelines and it is with reference to the society involved even though what I see is, west tries to impose it's values on other societies (most sociological theory from west failed because of this).

I don't agree with sweep shot regarding the homosexuality issue or LGBTQ etc. But if it's in his society, it's a norm, then who are others to criticise otherwise?

And if the other person have the right to criticise those values, then why sweep shot can't criticize them based upon his own beliefs?

It seems like woke culture works in a very narrow lane and doesn't have the adaptability nature.

 

[Robert]

Of course.

People can do whatever and I cannot physically or verbally stop them. However, I can condemn the action internally.

Fair enough.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Sky is so much worse without Bumble. Sometimes we have to accept uncomfortable truths

 

[Hassan A]

AirAsia's boss Tony Fernandes has drawn criticism after he posted a picture of himself getting a massage without a shirt on, while attending a management meeting.

In a post on LinkedIn, which now appears to have been deleted, the entrepreneur wrote it had been "a stressful week".

"Got to love Indonesia and AirAsia culture that I can have a massage and do a management meeting," he wrote.

AirAsia has been contacted for comment.

The picture sparked an uproar on social media, with many users criticising Mr Fernandes' decision to post it.

One wrote it was "inappropriate and absurd", and a second said it was "unprofessional".

"He should be setting an example of good work ethics and culture, not flaunting his body and privilege," the user added.

Another person simply commented: "Some CEOs need to stay off LinkedIn."

However, others were less critical, saying it was a good example of how "working from home" should always be.

Mr Fernandes, 59, has been dubbed Malaysia's answer to Richard Branson.

Educated at Epsom College, one of Britain's top fee-paying schools, Mr Fernandes bought the budget airline AirAsia from the Malaysian government for less than a dollar in 2001.

He was the founder of the former Caterham F1 Formula One team, and was also the majority shareholder of Queens Park Rangers Football Club until July this year.

BBC

 

[Hassan A]

Is there a fine line between promoting a relaxed corporate culture and being unprofessional? Or are people being overly critical ?

 

[daytrader]

Pat Cummins hits back at 'woke far left catastrophist' criticism
Australian cricket captain Pat Cummins has lashed out at criticism he's a 'woke far left catastrophist clown' as he doubled down on his left-leaning views and defiantly said he would not 'pander to a loud minority'.

It's been a year since the high profile climate crusader sparked a public outcry when he reportedly raised concerns about Cricket's Australia $40million sponsorship deal with Alinta Energy.

Critics have pointed out Cummins had been pictured flying first class and driving one of the world's highest polluting luxury vehicles - a Range Rover - about the same time.
Cummins also made headlines when he led Aussies teammates in taking the knee during the Black Lives Matter movement during their 2021 West Indies tour and publicly supported the Indigenous Voice to Parliament before the referendum failed in October.

Cummins wasn't asked directly by host Sarah Ferguson who he explained the contradiction of him pushing for climate change action while flying first class and driving a gas-guzzling Range Rover. Instead she posed a question asking whether he was 'woke' in a soft interview on ABC'S 7.30 on Tuesday.

Instead, he was asked if the backlash made him regret being so outspoken on contentious issues or whether it simply was water off a duck's back.

'It definitely makes you stop and think if what you're doing and how you're going about it is the right way,' Cummins said.

'It either makes you change or if anything it probably has emboldened some of my views that this is a good thing.

'You know, if I don't stay strong in this and I pander to a loud minority, that's not a good thing.'

MSN