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By rewriting history, Hindu nationalists aim to assert their dominance over India

The government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi has appointed a committee of scholars to prove that Hindus are descended from India's first inhabitants. Members of the country's Muslim minority worry the government wants to make them second-class citizens.


By RUPAM JAIN and TOM LASSETER Filed March 6, 2018, 11 a.m. GMT

NEW DELHI - During the first week of January last year, a group of Indian scholars gathered in a white bungalow on a leafy boulevard in central New Delhi. The focus of their discussion: how to rewrite the history of the nation.

The government of Hindu nationalist Prime Minister Narendra Modi had quietly appointed the committee of scholars about six months earlier. Details of its existence are reported here for the first time.

Minutes of the meeting, reviewed by Reuters, and interviews with committee members set out its aims: to use evidence such as archaeological finds and DNA to prove that today’s Hindus are directly descended from the land’s first inhabitants many thousands of years ago, and make the case that ancient Hindu scriptures are fact not myth.

Interviews with members of the 14-person committee and ministers in Modi’s government suggest the ambitions of Hindu nationalists extend beyond holding political power in this nation of 1.3 billion people - a kaleidoscope of religions. They want ultimately to shape the national identity to match their religious views, that India is a nation of and for Hindus.

In doing so, they are challenging a more multicultural narrative that has dominated since the time of British rule, that modern-day India is a tapestry born of migrations, invasions and conversions. That view is rooted in demographic fact. While the majority of Indians are Hindus, Muslims and people of other faiths account for some 240 million, or a fifth, of the populace.

The committee’s chairman, K.N. Dikshit, told Reuters, “I have been asked to present a report that will help the government rewrite certain aspects of ancient history.” The committee’s creator, Culture Minister Mahesh Sharma, confirmed in an interview that the group’s work was part of larger plans to revise India’s history.

For India’s Muslims, who have pointed to incidents of religious violence and discrimination since Modi took office in 2014, the development is ominous. The head of Muslim party All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen, Asaduddin Owaisi, said his people had “never felt so marginalised in the independent history of India.”

“The government,” he said, “wants Muslims to live in India as second-class citizens.”

Modi did not respond to a request for comment for this article.


INTO THE CLASSROOM

Helping to drive the debate over Indian history is an ideological, nationalist Hindu group called the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). It helped sweep Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party to power in 2014 and now counts among its members the ministers in charge of agriculture, highways and internal security.

The RSS asserts that ancestors of all people of Indian origin - including 172 million Muslims - were Hindu and that they must accept their common ancestry as part of Bharat Mata, or Mother India. Modi has been a member of the RSS since childhood. An official biography of Culture Minister Sharma says he too has been a “dedicated follower” of the RSS for many years.

Referring to the emblematic colour of the Hindu nationalist movement, RSS spokesman Manmohan Vaidya told Reuters that “the true colour of Indian history is saffron and to bring about cultural changes we have to rewrite history.”

Balmukund Pandey, the head of the historical research wing of the RSS, said he meets regularly with Culture Minister Sharma. “The time is now,” Pandey said, to restore India’s past glory by establishing that ancient Hindu texts are fact not myth.

Sharma told Reuters he expects the conclusions of the committee to find their way into school textbooks and academic research. The panel is referred to in government documents as the committee for “holistic study of origin and evolution of Indian culture since 12,000 years before present and its interface with other cultures of the world.”

Sharma said this “Hindu first” version of Indian history will be added to a school curriculum which has long taught that people from central Asia arrived in India much more recently, some 3,000 to 4,000 years ago, and transformed the population.

Hindu nationalists and senior figures in Modi’s party reject the idea that India was forged from a mass migration. They believe that today’s Hindu population is directly descended from the land’s first inhabitants. Historian Romila Thapar said the question of who first stood on the soil was important to nationalists because “if the Hindus are to have primacy as citizens in a Hindu Rashtra (kingdom), their foundational religion cannot be an imported one.” To assert that primacy, nationalists need to claim descent from ancestors and a religion that were indigenous, said Thapar, 86, who taught at Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi for decades and has authored books on ancient Indian history.

The theory of an influx of people from central Asia 3,000 to 4,000 years ago was embraced during British rule.

India’s first post-independence leader, Jawaharlal Nehru, who promoted a secular state and tolerance of India’s Muslims, said it was “entirely misleading to refer to Indian culture as Hindu culture.” That outlook informed the way India was governed by Nehru and then by his Congress party for more than half a century. The rights of minorities - including the prohibition of discrimination based on religion - are enshrined in India’s constitution, of which Nehru was a signatory in 1950.

Shashi Tharoor, a prominent member of the Congress party, said right wing Hindus are “leading a political campaign over Indian history that seeks to reinvent the idea of India itself.”

“For seven decades after independence, Indianness rested on faith in the country’s pluralism,” Tharoor said, but the rise of Hindu nationalism had brought with it a “sense of cultural superiority.”


A HISTORY FOUNDED ON HINDU TEXTS

The history committee met in the offices of the director general of the Archaeological Survey of India, a federal body that oversees archaeological research. Among the committee’s 14 members are bureaucrats and academics. The chairman, Dikshit, is a former senior official with the Archaeological Survey.

Culture Minister Sharma told Reuters he will present the committee’s final report to parliament and lobby the nation’s Ministry of Human Resource Development to write the findings into school textbooks. That ministry, which is responsible for education and literacy programmes, is also headed by an adherent of the RSS, Prakash Javadekar.

“We will take every recommendation made by the Culture Ministry seriously,” Javadekar said. “Our government is the first government to have the courage to even question the existing version of history that is being taught in schools and colleges.”

According to the minutes of the history committee’s first meeting, Dikshit, the chairman, said it was “essential to establish a correlation” between ancient Hindu scriptures and evidence that Indian civilization stretches back many thousands of years. Doing so would help bolster both conclusions the committee wants to reach: that events described in Hindu texts are real, and today’s Hindus are descendants of those times.

The minutes and interviews with committee members lay out a comprehensive campaign to achieve this, including the dating of archaeological sites and DNA testing of human remains.

Culture Minister Sharma told Reuters he wants to establish that Hindu scriptures are factual accounts. Speaking of the Ramayana, the epic that follows the journey of a Hindu deity in human form, Sharma said: “I worship Ramayana and I think it is a historical document. People who think it is fiction are absolutely wrong.” The epic tells how the god Rama rescues his wife from a demon king. It still informs many Indians’ sense of gender roles and duty.

Sharma said it was a priority to prove through archaeological research the existence of a mystical river, the Saraswati, that is mentioned in another ancient scripture, the Vedas. Other projects include examining artifacts from locations in scriptures, mapping the dates of astrological events mentioned in these texts and excavating the sites of battles in another epic, the Mahabharata, according to Sharma and minutes of the committee’s meeting.

In much the same way that some Christians point to evidence of an ancient flood substantiating the Biblical tale of Noah and his ark, if the settings and features of the ancient scriptures in India can be verified, the thinking goes, then the stories are true. “If the Koran and Bible are considered as part of history, then what is the problem in accepting our Hindu religious texts as the history of India?” said Sharma.

Modi did not order the committee’s creation - it was instigated by Sharma, government documents show - but its mission is in keeping with his outlook. During the 2014 inauguration of a hospital in Mumbai, Modi pointed to the scientific achievements documented by ancient religious texts and spoke of Ganesha, a Hindu deity with an elephant’s head: “We worship Lord Ganesha, and maybe there was a plastic surgeon at that time who kept the head of an elephant on the torso of a human. There are many areas where our ancestors made large contributions.” Modi did not respond to a request from Reuters that he expand on this remark.

Nine of 12 history committee members interviewed by Reuters said they have been tasked with matching archaeological and other evidence with ancient Indian scriptures, or establishing that Indian civilization is much older than is widely known. The others confirmed their membership but declined to discuss the group’s activities. The committee includes a geologist, archaeologists, scholars of the ancient Sanskrit language and two bureaucrats.

One of the Sanskrit scholars, Santosh Kumar Shukla, a professor at Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi, told Reuters he believes India’s Hindu culture is millions of years old. Another committee member, Ramesh Chand Sharma, former head of the linguistics department at the University of Delhi, said he would take a strictly scientific approach. “I don’t subscribe to any ideology,” he said.

With an annual budget of about $400 million - an important source of federal funding for historical research, archaeology and the arts - the Culture Ministry is an influential place to start a campaign of historical revision.

After he was named culture minister in 2014 following Modi’s victory, Sharma, a doctor and chairman of a chain of hospitals, said he received guidance from the RSS. Sharma, a genial man with a wide smile, has a portrait of Bharat Mata, or Mother India, hanging above the doorway of a meeting room in his bungalow in central Delhi. Below it are portraits of past RSS leaders.

During the last three years, Sharma said, his ministry has organized hundreds of workshops and seminars across the country “to prove the supremacy of our glorious past.” The aim, he said, is to build a fresh narrative to balance the liberal and secular philosophy espoused by India’s first prime minister, Nehru, and furthered by successive governments for most of the nation’s post-independence history.

The Nehru Memorial Museum and Library, now controlled by Sharma’s ministry, these days mixes in sessions about right wing Hindu leaders and causes. At one such event in 2016, the president of the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party, Amit Shah, took the opportunity to lambast Nehru as a man influenced by the western world. “We have always believed that our policies should have the smell of Indian soil,” Shah said. It was time for a history of India that concentrates on “facts about our great past.”

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/india-modi-culture/
 
The RSS asserts that ancestors of all people of Indian origin - including 172 million Muslims - were Hindu and that they must accept their common ancestry as part of Bharat Mata, or Mother India.

What does this mean? All Muslims should accept their ansectors were Hindus? This will make no difference.

Modi is an extremsit nationalist Hindutva leader who is PM yet Indians claims their country is secular lol.
 
Modi Uncle on a role here! All Muslim's of India should reconvert to Hinduism by force if need be to receive free weird hugs from the PM:)) They fail to understand that Muslim's of India are Muslim by choice. No need to go back a zillion years when dinosaurs lived to prove anything.
 
Modi has turned out to be another appeaser, instead of really doing something for us Hindus.
 
He has bigger ambitions than you, he wants a Hindu superpower to take over the planet.

I dont want to take what belongs to others. Only want what rightfully belongs to my people. If that is called an ambition then so be it.
 
Don't want to read the whole article but according to the title isn't is common sense that they would have been Hindus or will go on to become one later on as neither Christianity or Islam existed at the time and even if they did there was almost zero chance that they would have known about it.
 
What does this mean? All Muslims should accept their ansectors were Hindus? This will make no difference.

Modi is an extremsit nationalist Hindutva leader who is PM yet Indians claims their country is secular lol.

Insecurity, nothing else. Just like a kid who starts screaming just to get attention otherwise no-one cares about him.

How far back will they go? Everything will lead to sayyiduna Adam (pbuh) who was a Prophet of Allah SWT.
 
The whole world has moved on and we desis are still wasting time and money on these stupidities just to prove our version of the truth and instigate others.
 
Insecurity, nothing else. Just like a kid who starts screaming just to get attention otherwise no-one cares about him.

How far back will they go? Everything will lead to sayyiduna Adam (pbuh) who was a Prophet of Allah SWT.

This is what I'm trying to understand, does he believe the first humans were Hindu's too? Did they originate from the land known as India now?

Sadly the BJP supporters are missing in this thread. [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] any ideas bhai?
 
Insecurity, nothing else. Just like a kid who starts screaming just to get attention otherwise no-one cares about him.

How far back will they go? Everything will lead to sayyiduna Adam (pbuh) who was a Prophet of Allah SWT.

Who was he preaching to as he was the first man. Being the first man alive is automatic prophet status in the Abrahamic religions as not granting him one would look quite idiotic.
 
Don't want to read the whole article but according to the title isn't is common sense that they would have been Hindus or will go on to become one later on as neither Christianity or Islam existed at the time and even if they did there was almost zero chance that they would have known about it.

One of the fundamental teachings of Islam is to believe that Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Noah, Adam (peace ne upon all of them) are Prophets of Allah and they are also regarded as Muslims and they called people to worship Allah alone, the same teaching of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). So you really can’t say there were no other religions than hinduism.
 
One of the fundamental teachings of Islam is to believe that Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Noah, Adam (peace ne upon all of them) are Prophets of Allah and they are also regarded as Muslims and they called people to worship Allah alone, the same teaching of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). So you really can’t say there were no other religions than hinduism.

I can really say that there was no Islam in India at the time. Did Jesus, Moses, Abraham etc ever claim to being Muslim in the Torah, Injeel (Bible) etc? Islam just cleverly copied all the other supposed messengers from the other Abrahamic religions to give itself credibility.
 
Insecurity, nothing else. Just like a kid who starts screaming just to get attention otherwise no-one cares about him.

How far back will they go? Everything will lead to sayyiduna Adam (pbuh) who was a Prophet of Allah SWT.

He is obviously talking about subcontinental Muslims and according to hindu mythoyfirsf man was Manu not Adam.
 
What sort of nonsense is this? Why would a PM of a country spend time on something like this?
 
A very dangerous saffronization of Indian society is taking place and this is just another step to impose Hindu nationalism on people by brainwashing their minds. This is Akin to the German nationalism of Nazis where they believed Aryan race is the most superior of all races and the rightful owners of Germany. I know Hindu Nationalism is nowhere near that stage but it is heading towards that direction. You dont even need to go the whole distance and become as bad as Nazis to cause havoc. Fascist style nationalism is becoming a trend in many places.
 
Because he wants to win the next elections?

To win the elections do things that would benefit the nation. Just don't do things to please the majority. Imagine Australia or US doing the same, majority of the population will be left out as they were not the first inhabitants of the land.
 
This is what I'm trying to understand, does he believe the first humans were Hindu's too? Did they originate from the land known as India now?

Sadly the BJP supporters are missing in this thread. [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] any ideas bhai?

Not the first man. Hindus descended from the original inhabitants of India is the point he is trying to prove.

There is a criticism that Hinduism came from Aryans who are not natives.
 
Insecurity, nothing else. Just like a kid who starts screaming just to get attention otherwise no-one cares about him.

How far back will they go? Everything will lead to sayyiduna Adam (pbuh) who was a Prophet of Allah SWT.

You say Modi is insecure and then proceed to say that the first person on earth is Adam without any proof to back it.

Islamic view is middle eastern view. People in the subcontinent and East have different views.
 
A very dangerous saffronization of Indian society is taking place and this is just another step to impose Hindu nationalism on people by brainwashing their minds. This is Akin to the German nationalism of Nazis where they believed Aryan race is the most superior of all races and the rightful owners of Germany. I know Hindu Nationalism is nowhere near that stage but it is heading towards that direction. You dont even need to go the whole distance and become as bad as Nazis to cause havoc. Fascist style nationalism is becoming a trend in many places.

Yes and that's why today Hindu Nationalist party has no say in entire South India after TDP also broke its alliance with BJP.
 
Lol @ people believing Adam is first person and they see issue with what Modi is doing? :))
 
One of the fundamental teachings of Islam is to believe that Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Noah, Adam (peace ne upon all of them) are Prophets of Allah and they are also regarded as Muslims and they called people to worship Allah alone, the same teaching of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). So you really can’t say there were no other religions than hinduism.

Tomorrow I will start a religion and claim that Moses, Abraham and Jesus are avatars of Vishnu and hence they are Hindus.

How can people believe in all this without any proof?

Looks like anybody can claim anything and anyone without an ounce of proof.
 
A very dangerous saffronization of Indian society is taking place and this is just another step to impose Hindu nationalism on people by brainwashing their minds. This is Akin to the German nationalism of Nazis where they believed Aryan race is the most superior of all races and the rightful owners of Germany. I know Hindu Nationalism is nowhere near that stage but it is heading towards that direction. You dont even need to go the whole distance and become as bad as Nazis to cause havoc. Fascist style nationalism is becoming a trend in many places.

no one wants us Hindus to rise. The moment we talk about our rights or correcting our history, we are branded as extremists and terrorists. The plan is to keep hindus oppressed and guilty. We can't even celebrate our festivals without diktat from the courts and liberal fascists about how we are causing nuisance.All this convent education and atheist jihadis have brainwashed our generations into saying RIP and thinking biryani is the best food. But unfortunately for people like you, we are waking up. Did you see how we demolished the terrorist Lenin's statue? Jab takht giraye jayenge jab taaj uchale jayenge..door hato aye duniya walo, hindostan hamara hai.
 
Did you see how we demolished the terrorist Lenin's statue? Jab takht giraye jayenge jab taaj uchale jayenge..door hato aye duniya walo, hindostan hamara hai.

This right here is Faiz sandwiched between Fundamentalist Marxism and Revivalist Hindutva...
 
Tomorrow I will start a religion and claim that Moses, Abraham and Jesus are avatars of Vishnu and hence they are Hindus.

How can people believe in all this without any proof?

Looks like anybody can claim anything and anyone without an ounce of proof.

That is the problem. You have to start a new religion, but I am telling you about a 1400 years old book which gives me the evidences of what I have written above. Everyone is free to believe in it or not. For me the best possible source to tell about Adam (pbuh) is the Creator himself.
 
You say Modi is insecure and then proceed to say that the first person on earth is Adam without any proof to back it.

Islamic view is middle eastern view. People in the subcontinent and East have different views.

Lol, there are other countries in Subcontinent too, not only India...
 
I can really say that there was no Islam in India at the time. Did Jesus, Moses, Abraham etc ever claim to being Muslim in the Torah, Injeel (Bible) etc? Islam just cleverly copied all the other supposed messengers from the other Abrahamic religions to give itself credibility.

This discussion can become very lengthy and I am afraid I will not get proper time to follow up this, but I have already presented my case.
 
Yes and that's why today Hindu Nationalist party has no say in entire South India after TDP also broke its alliance with BJP.

south Indians should not even be part of India. this Zabardasti wala connection is not going to hold forever. you guys are distinct people in most ways. South Indians basically consider the sense of general Indian nationalism as secondary to their own south Indian nationalism. The culture, language, ethnicity etc. are of primary importance rather than Indian patriotism and unity. Two things are keeping South India and rest of India together : The fact that you and even your tribals who have no clue what Hinduism is, have been characterised as Hindus so that provides for some sense of oneness. Another factor is political power and a degree of autonomy (see eg. of language, jali kattu etc.). Even if the latter is taken away, south Indians wont give two hoots about staying with the rest of India. You guys are simply not cut from the same cloth and there is no shame in admitting it. infact nobody should be held slave to some misplaced sense of unity which takes away their own identity.
 
no one wants us Hindus to rise. The moment we talk about our rights or correcting our history, we are branded as extremists and terrorists. The plan is to keep hindus oppressed and guilty. We can't even celebrate our festivals without diktat from the courts and liberal fascists about how we are causing nuisance.All this convent education and atheist jihadis have brainwashed our generations into saying RIP and thinking biryani is the best food. But unfortunately for people like you, we are waking up. Did you see how we demolished the terrorist Lenin's statue? Jab takht giraye jayenge jab taaj uchale jayenge..door hato aye duniya walo, hindostan hamara hai.

thats true but you kind of deserve it because you aryans came from central Asia and took over the land which belonged to natives. you Imposed your hindu beliefs on them. now you are paying the price of what your ancestors did. read about karma. even that concept was brought to India by your ancestors. dig the pit and fall in it.
 
thats true but you kind of deserve it because you aryans came from central Asia and took over the land which belonged to natives. you Imposed your hindu beliefs on them. now you are paying the price of what your ancestors did. read about karma. even that concept was brought to India by your ancestors. dig the pit and fall in it.

How do you know I am an aryan and not a native whose ancestors were, forcibly or otherwise, converted to hinduism?
 
How do you know I am an aryan and not a native whose ancestors were, forcibly or otherwise, converted to hinduism?
Because when i criticised Modi's attempts to prove Aryan theory wrong in this thread , you got upset and started accusing me. This proves you are one of the Aryan invaders who doesnt want to be remined of his past and wants to debunk the Aryan theory once and for all. You are exposed Mr. Cricket Cartoon. You are an invader, yes, An invader of India.
 
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I'm curious how many of you actually studied History in the school or college?
A 6th grader would know a lot better.
 
Because when i criticised Modi's attempts to prove Aryan theory wrong in this thread , you got upset and started accusing me. This proves you are one of the Aryan invaders who doesnt want to be remined of his past and wants to debunk the Aryan theory once and for all. You are exposed Mr. Cricket Cartoon. You are an invader, yes, An invader of India.

Lol what are you on? :))
 
A very dangerous saffronization of Indian society is taking place and this is just another step to impose Hindu nationalism on people by brainwashing their minds. This is Akin to the German nationalism of Nazis where they believed Aryan race is the most superior of all races and the rightful owners of Germany. I know Hindu Nationalism is nowhere near that stage but it is heading towards that direction. You dont even need to go the whole distance and become as bad as Nazis to cause havoc. Fascist style nationalism is becoming a trend in many places.

A reasearch on not whether Hindus descended from India's first inhabitants or not sounds like saffronization? How so?
 
A reasearch on not whether Hindus descended from India's first inhabitants or not sounds like saffronization? How so?

From the article in the OP - Read:

Minutes of the meeting, reviewed by Reuters, and interviews with committee members set out its aims: to use evidence such as archaeological finds and DNA to prove that today’s Hindus are directly descended from the land’s first inhabitants many thousands of years ago, and make the case that ancient Hindu scriptures are fact not myth.

It's not research, it's an attempt to substantiate prima facie evidence.
 
From the article in the OP - Read:

Minutes of the meeting, reviewed by Reuters, and interviews with committee members set out its aims: to use evidence such as archaeological finds and DNA to prove that today’s Hindus are directly descended from the land’s first inhabitants many thousands of years ago, and make the case that ancient Hindu scriptures are fact not myth.

It's not research, it's an attempt to substantiate prima facie evidence.

That's how it works when we are dealing with history that goes so far back. The foundation of their research as per the article is still archaeological finds and DNA evidence, so I don't see how the findings can be any more bogus than say something like the Shroud of Turin or the so called well preserved Muhammad's beard.
 
That's how it works when we are dealing with history that goes so far back. The foundation of their research as per the article is still archaeological finds and DNA evidence, so I don't see how the findings can be any more bogus than say something like the Shroud of Turin or the so called well preserved Muhammad's beard.

That's not how it works. Hindus looking for Hindu evidence is bias and will end up being a case of changing the evidence to fit the narrative rather than change the narrative to fit the evidence.

A good example of independent research is this :

Science and Archaeology confirms the biblical account of Exodus

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That is the problem. You have to start a new religion, but I am telling you about a 1400 years old book which gives me the evidences of what I have written above. Everyone is free to believe in it or not. For me the best possible source to tell about Adam (pbuh) is the Creator himself.

Book is not the proof. Anybody can write a book.

Did Jesus ever say that he is a Muslim? But everyone knows he is a Jew.

Did Moses and Abraham say they were Muslims? Do you have any proof?

Did Jesus go to Mecca or prayed 5 times.
Day or took the sShahada to be a Muslim?

I am interested to know.
 
Book is not the proof. Anybody can write a book.

Did Jesus ever say that he is a Muslim? But everyone knows he is a Jew.

Did Moses and Abraham say they were Muslims? Do you have any proof?

Did Jesus go to Mecca or prayed 5 times.
Day or took the sShahada to be a Muslim?

I am interested to know.

You are still stuck on proof. Which part of religion is faith do you not understand?

As for Jesus saying he was a Muslim, I suggest you read Gospel of Barnabas.
 
Indian PM appoints a committee to determine whether the present day inhabitants of India are descended from the first inhabitants of India. Dont see a problem here. If any Indian has a problem he can file a PIL with evidences contrary to the findings of the study.
 
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