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Modi has dodged every failure till date but will Covid-19 mismanagement be final nail in the coffin?

On Monday, a senior official from India's federal government told journalists that there was no shortage of oxygen in Delhi or anywhere else in the country.

As he spoke, several small hospitals - only a few miles from where he stood in the capital - were sending out desperate messages about them running out of oxygen, putting patients' lives at risk.

The chief doctor of one of the hospitals - a specialist paediatric facility - told the BBC that "our hearts were in our mouths" because of the risk of children dying. They got supplies just in time, after a local politician intervened.

And yet, the federal government has repeatedly insisted that there was no shortage. "We are only facing problems in its transportation," Piyush Goyal, a senior official from India's home ministry, said.

He also advised hospitals to "ensure judicious use of oxygen as per the guidelines". Several doctors who have spoken to the BBC say they are giving oxygen only to patients who need it, but there is not enough.

But experts say that the shortage of oxygen is just one of the problems which shows both federal and state governments were not prepared, having failed to do enough to stop or minimise the damage of the second wave.

image captionA street in Delhi in early March, when, despite warnings, India’s health minister said the country was in the “endgame” of Covid-19

Warnings have in fact been repeatedly issued, including:

In November, a parliamentary standing committee on health said there was an inadequate supply of oxygen and "grossly inadequate" government hospital beds
In February, several experts told the BBC they feared an impending 'Covid tsunami'
In early March, an expert group of scientists, set up by the government, warned officials about a more contagious variant of coronavirus spreading in the country - only for no significant containment measures to be taken, one scientist from the group told the BBC. The government has not made any comment on the allegations
Despite this, on 8 March, the country's health minister announced that India was in the "endgame of the pandemic".

So, where did it go so wrong?

The basics
In January and February, the national number of daily cases fell to under 20,000 from peaks of around 90,000 in September last year. Prime Minister Narendra Modi declared Covid beaten, and all places of public gathering opened.

And soon, people were not adhering to Covid safety protocols, thanks in part to confused messaging from the top.

While Mr Modi asked people to wear masks and follow social distancing in his public messages, he addressed large unmasked crowds during his election campaigns in five states. A number of his ministers were also seen addressing large public gatherings without wearing masks. The Kumbh Mela, a Hindu festival - which attracts millions - was also allowed to go ahead.

"There was complete disconnect between what they practised and what they preached," says public policy and health systems expert Dr Chandrakant Lahariya.

Prominent virologist Dr Shahid Jameel says "the government just did not see the second wave coming and started celebrating too early".

But there is more to the story: the devastation has also exposed the underfunding and neglect of the public healthcare system in India.

The heart-breaking scenes that have been witnessed outside hospitals - people dying without getting treatment - shows the grim reality of India's healthcare infrastructure.

As one expert puts it, India's "public health infrastructure was always broken, the rich and the middle class are just finding out". Those who could afford it have always relied on private hospitals for treatment, while the poor struggle to get even a doctor's appointment.

Recent schemes, like health insurance and subsidised medicines for the poor, are not helping because very little has been done in decades to increase the number of medical staff or hospitals.

India's healthcare spending, including both private and public, has been around 3.6% of GDP for the past six years, the lowest percentage in the five Brics countries: Brazil spent the most at 9.2%, followed by South Africa at 8.1%, Russia at 5.3% and China at 5% in 2018.

Developed nations spend a far higher proportion of their GDP on health. In 2018, for instance, spending in the US was 16.9% and Germany 11.2%. Even smaller nations like Sri Lanka (3.76%) and Thailand (3.79%) spend more than India.

And India has fewer than 10 doctors per 10,000 people, and in some states the figure is less than five.

Preparation
Several "empowered committees" were last year looking at the preparations needed to tackle the next coronavirus wave, so experts are baffled by the shortages of oxygen, beds and drugs.

"When the first wave was tapering, that's when they should have prepared for a second wave and assumed the worst. They should have taken an inventory of oxygen and [the drug] remdesivir and then ramped up manufacturing capacity," Mahesh Zagade, former health secretary of Maharashtra state, told the BBC.

Officials say India produces enough oxygen to meet the spike in demand but transportation was the problem. Experts say this should have been fixed much earlier.

The government is now running special trains carrying oxygen from one state to another and stopping use of oxygen in industries - but only after many patients died because of a lack of oxygen.

"The outcome has been that desperate family members are spending thousands of rupees to secure an oxygen cylinder on the black market and then stand for hours in a queue to get it filled," points out Dr Lahariya.

Meanwhile, those who can afford it are also paying hefty amounts to procure drugs like remdesivir and tocilizumab.

An executive from a pharmaceutical company which manufactures remdesivir said "demand had dried up" in January and February. "If the government had placed an order, we would have stockpiled and there wouldn't have been any shortage. We have ramped up production but demand has grown significantly," he said.

In contrast, the southern state of Kerala planned for the surge in advance. Dr A Fathahudeen, who is part of the state's Covid taskforce, says there was no shortage of oxygen in the state as necessary steps were taken in October last year.

"We also procured sufficient stock of remdesivir and tocilizumab and other drugs well in advance. We also have a surge plan in place to tackle any exponential rise in the numbers in the coming weeks," he says.

Mr Zagade says other states should have also taken similar steps "to avoid the suffering".

"Learning means someone else has done it and you can do it now, but that means it will take time," the former health secretary for Maharashtra said.

But time is running out as the second wave is now spreading to villages where healthcare systems are not equipped to deal with the surge.

Prevention
Genome sequencing of the virus is an important step in identifying new variants that could be more infectious and deadly. The Indian SARS-CoV-2 Genomic Consortia (INSACOG) was set up last year and it brought together 10 labs in the country.

But the group reportedly struggled to get funding initially. Virologist Dr Jameel says India started seriously looking at mutations fairly late, with sequencing efforts only "properly started" in mid-February 2021.

India is sequencing just over 1% of all samples at the moment. "In comparison, the UK was sequencing at 5-6% at the peak of the pandemic. But you can't build such capacity overnight," he said.

However, India's main hope was always vaccination.

"Any public health specialist will tell you there is no practical way to strengthen an already broken public healthcare system in a matter of months," one woman, whose family runs a large private hospital in Delhi, told the BBC.

"The best and most effective alternative to battle Covid was to vaccinate the population as quickly as possible so the majority wouldn't need hospital care and hence not overburden the healthcare system."

India initially wanted 300 million people vaccinated by July, "but it seems the government did not do enough planning to secure vaccine supply to run the programme", Dr Lahariya says.

"On top of it, it has opened the vaccination for all adults without securing vaccine supplies."

So far, only about 26 million people have been fully vaccinated out of a population of 1.4 billion, and about 124 million have received a single dose. India has millions more doses on order, but still far short of what it actually needs.

The federal government needs 615 million doses to vaccinate everyone above the age of 45 - about 440 million people. There are 622 million people between the age of 18 and 44, and 1.2 billion doses are required to vaccinate them.

The government has also cancelled exports, reneging on international commitments.

The government has enlisted other firms like Biological E and the state-run Haffkine Institute to produce vaccines. It has also given credit support of $609m to the Serum Institute of India, which produces the Oxford-AstraZeneca jab which is being made in India as Covishield, to ramp up production.

But that funding should have come earlier, Dr Lahariya says, saving precious lives. "It will take months before we have enough vaccines to speed up the programme. In the meantime, millions will continue to be at risk of getting Covid," he adds.

Experts say it is ironic that India is known as the world's pharmacy and it is now facing shortages of vaccines and drugs.

All of this, Dr Lahariya says, should serve as wake-up call for for both federal and state governments, which should invest drastically more in the healthcare sector because "this definitely is not the last pandemic we will have to fight against".

"The future pandemic may come earlier than any model can predict," he says.
 
The late General Hameed Gul's words of Modi dividing India are so true. Indian's should be worried sick what this man is doing to their country. Fighting with Pak and China all the time, Sikh's protesting on the streets and now he has no idea how to deal with the Covid 19 running amok. In a few years time he will be standing behind a tea stall again:)) I can't believe majority Indian people chose him as the PM:))):)))!!

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Hell, no! You overrate Kejriwal too much!

Nah man.

Politics and parties are like a living organism.

They are constantly evolving.

Heroes become villains.

Villains become heroes.

You can't apply what happened 5 or 10 years ago to predict future.

Let me give you an example:

Kejriwal didn't even get majority in Delhi elections when he fought against Congress and BJP.

He formed govt with support of Congress, quit it midway and went to election the next year.

ABSOLUTE ANNIHILATION of both Congress and BJP and he won 67 seats out of 70 right?

Logic would dictate he would struggle but that ain't the case.

Same with BJP.

SP and BSP joined together to beat out BJP in bypolls befdore 2019 Lok Sabha.

Everyone thought this combo will rout BJP in Lok Sabha....guess what happened...the fact they joined together gave BJP EVEN more votes.

AIMM nabbed some Muslim votes in Bihar...what happened in Bengal you all saw.

Heck, Congress (not a major force at all) sacrificed itself just in case it acts as a vote cutter for TMC.

Coming back to the national politics, 2021 is WAYYY different from 2014.

All people need is a CREDIBLE leader and they will vote out Modi.

Congress ain't gonna give them that (as of now) and Modi is still likely to win 2024 (with lesser majority of course).

If Kejri fought 2021 against ALL, his party would get routed.

BUT....if all parties band together to make Kejri the PM face, the entire minority vote will go to him.

So will the so called intellectuals and pseudo seculars (people like us). Hehe.

So will the centrist Hindus.

And even some of the hardcore Hindus who wanna just have good governance.

Of course, it won't be easy.

The campaign has to be managed in an expertly way.

No way should minorities be appeased. The angle should be equality for all (not just in speech) but even in actions.

Little to no infighting among parties.

Lotsa things have to go right cos BJP will come HAMMER and TONGS giving everything they got.

But here's the problem they have:

They don't have anything to offer or promise except for polarization. Their ONLY way to beat out everyone with a proper PM face is by creating mass hysteria among Hindus who will overwhelming vote for them. As long as that is avoided (and they will try as hard as they can to make it happen), it will be a crazy crazy election.

And I won't be one bit surprised if Kejri prevails.

What makes Arvind so credible?

So many factors .

One, he has proven himself as a good administrator.

Two, he can appeal to people on both ends of the religious spectrum.

Three, he is smart, educated and has a personality. Of course, he can't match Modi in charisma, but on paper, he has a far wider appeal in today's climate. Modi, on the other hand, has haters and some rabid rabid supporters. What is the current % is unknown now.

Think of the situation like Biden vs Trump.

Except Kejri is more charismatic, likeable, and able than Biden in EVERY way imaginable.

In fact, if there's ONE politician in India who can give Modi a complex....it's Kejri.

Not Mamta (lol).

Not that dakkan Yogi (he is a broken taperecorded that no one outside UP cares or respects).

No one else.

Kejri is everything that Modi is not (except for charisma) lol.

Now don't get me wrong.

Kejri is a politician at the end of the day and all politicians are to be treated with suspicion.

But he has a lot going for him.

All he is lacking is infrastructure and ground level support to mobilise cadres and fight a national election.

If that is given to him, it will be ONE HECK of an election.

Now whether that happens is another story altogether.

Unless India has a real PM face alternative emerging, Modi will keep winning. All he needs is 150 seats and Amit Shah will make sure govt is formed.
 
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Haha.... lol.

Atleast I don't call rockstar Modi as intellectual. :P

Intellectuals have driven the Indian economy into the ground in the first ~50 years after independence, so it is time to give the non-intellectuals a try.
 
Intellectuals have driven the Indian economy into the ground in the first ~50 years after independence, so it is time to give the non-intellectuals a try.

Intellectuals have driven India to the ground yet we will make a gazzilion posts about how India hurtling towards super power status. :P
 
Intellectuals have driven India to the ground yet we will make a gazzilion posts about how India hurtling towards super power status. :P
Don't you know India was a jungle before 2014. That we have semblance of development since then, it's all due to herculean efforts of the supreme leader!
 
Intellectuals have driven the Indian economy into the ground in the first ~50 years after independence, so it is time to give the non-intellectuals a try.

Intellectuals have driven India to the ground yet we will make a gazzilion posts about how India hurtling towards super power status. :P

Lol. No offense but I always find this funny

Posters like him and cricketjoshila have been harping about india being on cusp of being a superpower for probably over 10 years. But at the same time india was a wasteland prior to 2014. Some even said india is first world lol if
You take out some areas.

It’s either one or the other. You can’t have it both ways
 
On Monday, a senior official from India's federal government told journalists that there was no shortage of oxygen in Delhi or anywhere else in the country.

How can the government continue to lie?
 
Intellectuals have driven India to the ground yet we will make a gazzilion posts about how India hurtling towards super power status. :P

I don't think I ever said India was hurtling towards super power status.

Also, I said the first ~50 years, which were the decades of Nehruvian Socialism economic rot. The last decade and a half with economic liberalization India has no doubt become much stronger economically. For example, it has gone from exporting only low-tech textiles to exporting high-tech services (TCS, Infosys, Wipro, Cognizant etc.) and its forex reserves have risen from $2 billion in the early 1990s to $584 billion today.
 
Don't you know India was a jungle before 2014. That we have semblance of development since then, it's all due to herculean efforts of the supreme leader!

India became independent in 1947, not 1964 :))

~50 years after independence puts us at the mid-1990s, much earlier than 2014. Narasimha Rao started the process of liberalization.
 
Intellectuals have driven the Indian economy into the ground in the first ~50 years after independence, so it is time to give the non-intellectuals a try.

India became independent in 1947, not 1964 :))

~50 years after independence puts us at the mid-1990s, much earlier than 2014. Narasimha Rao started the process of liberalization.

So was it the intellectuals who led India to path of being a superpower from the 90s? If they were doing so well then why the need to give ‘non intellectuals’ a try?
 
India became independent in 1947, not 1964 :))

~50 years after independence puts us at the mid-1990s, much earlier than 2014. Narasimha Rao started the process of liberalization.
And your point being?
 
So was it the intellectuals who led India to path of being a superpower from the 90s? If they were doing so well then why the need to give ‘non intellectuals’ a try?
Remember Hard Work not Harvard!:P
 
I don't think I ever said India was hurtling towards super power status.

Also, I said the first ~50 years, which were the decades of Nehruvian Socialism economic rot. The last decade and a half with economic liberalization India has no doubt become much stronger economically. For example, it has gone from exporting only low-tech textiles to exporting high-tech services (TCS, Infosys, Wipro, Cognizant etc.) and its forex reserves have risen from $2 billion in the early 1990s to $584 billion today.

Also, I said the first ~50 years, which were the decades of Nehruvian Socialism economic rot. The last decade and a half with economic liberalization India has no doubt become much stronger economically.

So let me get this straight.

The intellectuals messed up for the first 50 years.

Then in the next 15 years (actually 30 years since liberalization) they did so good that I get to talk about India's status in the world endlessly.

Now that we are doing good, let me go and support "non-intellectuals" to give them a chance.

And when these "non-intellectuals" get owned on a daily basis in local, national and international scale, let me harp on the first 50 years of "misrule" to slam "intellectuals".

Yeh kya logic hai bhai :P
 
Nah man.

Politics and parties are like a living organism.

They are constantly evolving.

Heroes become villains.

Villains become heroes.

You can't apply what happened 5 or 10 years ago to predict future.

Let me give you an example:

Kejriwal didn't even get majority in Delhi elections when he fought against Congress and BJP.

He formed govt with support of Congress, quit it midway and went to election the next year.

ABSOLUTE ANNIHILATION of both Congress and BJP and he won 67 seats out of 70 right?

Logic would dictate he would struggle but that ain't the case.

Same with BJP.

SP and BSP joined together to beat out BJP in bypolls befdore 2019 Lok Sabha.

Everyone thought this combo will rout BJP in Lok Sabha....guess what happened...the fact they joined together gave BJP EVEN more votes.

AIMM nabbed some Muslim votes in Bihar...what happened in Bengal you all saw.

Heck, Congress (not a major force at all) sacrificed itself just in case it acts as a vote cutter for TMC.

Coming back to the national politics, 2021 is WAYYY different from 2014.

All people need is a CREDIBLE leader and they will vote out Modi.

Congress ain't gonna give them that (as of now) and Modi is still likely to win 2024 (with lesser majority of course).

If Kejri fought 2021 against ALL, his party would get routed.

BUT....if all parties band together to make Kejri the PM face, the entire minority vote will go to him.

So will the so called intellectuals and pseudo seculars (people like us). Hehe.

So will the centrist Hindus.

And even some of the hardcore Hindus who wanna just have good governance.

Of course, it won't be easy.

The campaign has to be managed in an expertly way.

No way should minorities be appeased. The angle should be equality for all (not just in speech) but even in actions.

Little to no infighting among parties.

Lotsa things have to go right cos BJP will come HAMMER and TONGS giving everything they got.

But here's the problem they have:

They don't have anything to offer or promise except for polarization. Their ONLY way to beat out everyone with a proper PM face is by creating mass hysteria among Hindus who will overwhelming vote for them. As long as that is avoided (and they will try as hard as they can to make it happen), it will be a crazy crazy election.

And I won't be one bit surprised if Kejri prevails.
Thanks for detailed reply.

However I beg to differ.

Kejriwal may be doing great, in fact absolutely great in assembly elections, however he is still no match for bigot in LS elections which is where you can uproot these bloody bigots. You may win as many assembly elections as you want, till the time these medieval creatures are there at center, they'll continue to spread their hate & bigotry in all walks of life and will have control of narrative at levels which matter like on national & international scene.
 
Knowing Kejriwal fairly well now (he has been my CM for 8-odd years now), I think he is bit of pussycat (or has developed into one since last assembly elections). He doesn't have guts to take bigot head on and instead tries to keep him in good humour in all possible ways.

May be 10 years down the line, he may develop into someone battle hardened politico but he certainly isn't one at the moment and I don't think he'll develop into one, three years hence.
 
Knowing Kejriwal fairly well now (he has been my CM for 8-odd years now), I think he is bit of pussycat (or has developed into one since last assembly elections). He doesn't have guts to take bigot head on and instead tries to keep him in good humour in all possible ways.

May be 10 years down the line, he may develop into someone battle hardened politico but he certainly isn't one at the moment and I don't think he'll develop into one, three years hence.

He doesn't have the money or power to challenge the narratives which are fed to our gullible public by the paid Media.

Example : When he live streamed the meeting few weeks back, the entire narrative on paid godi media was how he broke protocol. If it was the other way around, i.e. Modi had live streamed something Kejariwal was saying, the godi media would be running news of failures of Kejriwal and how Modi exposed .

The entire propaganda media is too strong and is shaping how the public opinion is. Kejriwal doesn't have resources to counter that, so he has to be very calculator in what he says and what he does, especially in regards to religion which is the most polarizing topic which gets BJP the most benefit.

It's all about the money, BJP sold the nation to big corporates and now they control the narrative. Difficult to fight against that without resources.
 
He doesn't have the money or power to challenge the narratives which are fed to our gullible public by the paid Media.

Example : When he live streamed the meeting few weeks back, the entire narrative on paid godi media was how he broke protocol. If it was the other way around, i.e. Modi had live streamed something Kejariwal was saying, the godi media would be running news of failures of Kejriwal and how Modi exposed .

The entire propaganda media is too strong and is shaping how the public opinion is. Kejriwal doesn't have resources to counter that, so he has to be very calculator in what he says and what he does, especially in regards to religion which is the most polarizing topic which gets BJP the most benefit.

It's all about the money, BJP sold the nation to big corporates and now they control the narrative. Difficult to fight against that without resources.
This I completely agree with.

That LIVE streaming episode, it was so hypocritical of devotees! What sensitive matters which were being discussed in that meeting that ordinary people can't get a hang of that? Was it related to our defense? If not, what's the harm in all of us knowing what these netas blabber about in these meetings?
 
I think its incredibly naive to think that our gullible public wont vote for him again. Modi government has a better measure of how much he can sway public opinion with propaganda rather than facts. We overestimate the critical thinking abilities of our general public. Just look at the result of the West Bengal elections - from just 3 seats in 2016 to 77 seats in 2021. They have literally finished off both the CPI(M) and the Congress in one fell swoop. If they can do that in Bengal, states with a strong core voter base for the party will vote him to power again. Make no mistake about that.
 
Just look at the result of the West Bengal elections - from just 3 seats in 2016 to 77 seats in 2021. They have literally finished off both the CPI(M) and the Congress in one fell swoop. If they can do that in Bengal, states with a strong core voter base for the party will vote him to power again. Make no mistake about that.
Very true.

How could anyone (in their right mind) let these expert rioters grow exponentially in a space of 5 years?

Bengalis did one part very well in not letting them cross 80 seats and hence them being nowhere near power. However they failed miserably in the other part and allowed them to send so many rioters to WB assembly. I think they'll rue this in coming years!
 
They fear re-elections the most. An election campaign is worth crores, from government Babu's, to contractors, to small business unions, to big business houses money is sent to party for election campaign.

When they win the elections these same Babu's, businessmen are given favour by the government in form of transfer to good (good here means money making) department, promotions, contracts, bank loans from government loans, tax chori etc etc

The public you see in rallies, the posters you see on the streets, the TV and radio ads you see, social media advertisements etc everything costs a lot and are paid to by above.
Why do you think in absence of full majority parties buys MLA's or tie up with their arch rivals rather than going for re-elections?

It's because in case of re-election, who will give them money? If they collect more money from the above sources, they will have to return more favours, if they take more from others they will have to return favours to more.

The only way to have political parties set good candidates is to hurt them where it pains, their money stream. The only way you can do that is by causing re-election. And the only chance of having a re-election is everyone outrightedly rejects all candidates, then a PIL is filed in SC court and maybe the court will deem the elections void if 80%+ votes are cast to NOTA.

That is the only way you will ever get good candidates, is it possible or practical? Probably not, but unless you strive to achieve the idealistic situation, you won't know.

All well and fine in theory, and it's true that NOTA getting majority of votes will trigger the dismissal of candidates and re election in many countries, but in India, the NOTA has zero electoral significance.

Even if NOTA gets the highest amount of votes, the candidate getting the next highest vote share will be declared the winner according to the ECI rules. Pressing NOTA in India simply means asking to make my vote invalid. So doesn't matter if NOTA gets 8% or 80% of vote share, all those votes will be invalid.
 
"Try Listening, Too": Jharkhand Chief Minister To PM After Phone Call

New Delhi: Jharkhand Chief Minister Hemant Soren's dig at Prime Minister Narendra Modi after a phone-call with him on the Covid situation in his state has drawn sharp and varied reactions.

PM Modi yesterday spoke to the Chief Ministers of Andhra Pradesh, Odisha, Telangana and Jharkhand. It is the last that has generated a Twitter row.

"Today, the respected Prime Minister called. He only spoke his "Mann Ki Baat". It would have been better if he would have talked business and listened to the issues," the Jharkhand Chief Minister tweeted in Hindi, referring to PM Modi's monthly radio spot, loosely translated as "From the heart".

Mr Soren was "unhappy" as he was not allowed to speak about his concerns and it was only the Prime Minister who talked, Press Trust of India quoted official sources as saying.

The post provoked furious responses from BJP leaders and supporters.

"Your tweet is not just against minimum decorum but is also a mockery of the pain of the people of your state, for whom the Prime Minister called you. You have pulled a despicable stunt. You have lowered the dignity of the Chief Minister's post," wrote Assam BJP leader Himanta Biswa Sarma.

"Hemant Soren is a failed Chief Minister. Failure in governance. Failure in tackling COVID in the state. Failure to assist people. To hide his failures he demeans the office he holds. Wake up and work, Mr. Soren. The clock is ticking," tweeted Jharkhand BJP leader Babulal Marandi.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/jha...-sparks-row-2436805?pfrom=home-ndtv_topscroll
 
If a state's CM isn't allowed to speak then what's the point of them? Let feku handle everything.
 
I think its incredibly naive to think that our gullible public wont vote for him again. Modi government has a better measure of how much he can sway public opinion with propaganda rather than facts. We overestimate the critical thinking abilities of our general public. Just look at the result of the West Bengal elections - from just 3 seats in 2016 to 77 seats in 2021. They have literally finished off both the CPI(M) and the Congress in one fell swoop. If they can do that in Bengal, states with a strong core voter base for the party will vote him to power again. Make no mistake about that.

The only reason Bjp didnt win majority in bengal was because they didn't have a bengali leader and face to lead them. Bjp needed a HBS or a Yeddy to win Bengal.
 
All well and fine in theory, and it's true that NOTA getting majority of votes will trigger the dismissal of candidates and re election in many countries, but in India, the NOTA has zero electoral significance.

Even if NOTA gets the highest amount of votes, the candidate getting the next highest vote share will be declared the winner according to the ECI rules. Pressing NOTA in India simply means asking to make my vote invalid. So doesn't matter if NOTA gets 8% or 80% of vote share, all those votes will be invalid.

You are right, as per the current law.

However, imagine is NOTA gets majority of votes, more than any candidate, you don't think media and lawyers won't go to supreme court? Wouldn't it cause major outrage and awareness that India has rejected all candidates?

That's how revolutions are started, which further lead to change in laws for the better.

Unless that happens, you can re cycle between Mayawati, Mulayam, Lalu, Modi, badal, Amarinder singh etc etc.

Trust me if Congress comes in power with support from regional parties, it will be just as bad as right now. Maybe not polarisation but corruption will be all time high compared to right now.

True change can only come via NOTA. Otherwise it will keep going like it has for last 75+ years.
 
Nah man.

Politics and parties are like a living organism.

They are constantly evolving.

Heroes become villains.

Villains become heroes.

You can't apply what happened 5 or 10 years ago to predict future.

Let me give you an example:

Kejriwal didn't even get majority in Delhi elections when he fought against Congress and BJP.

He formed govt with support of Congress, quit it midway and went to election the next year.

ABSOLUTE ANNIHILATION of both Congress and BJP and he won 67 seats out of 70 right?

Logic would dictate he would struggle but that ain't the case.

Same with BJP.

SP and BSP joined together to beat out BJP in bypolls befdore 2019 Lok Sabha.

Everyone thought this combo will rout BJP in Lok Sabha....guess what happened...the fact they joined together gave BJP EVEN more votes.

AIMM nabbed some Muslim votes in Bihar...what happened in Bengal you all saw.

Heck, Congress (not a major force at all) sacrificed itself just in case it acts as a vote cutter for TMC.

Coming back to the national politics, 2021 is WAYYY different from 2014.

All people need is a CREDIBLE leader and they will vote out Modi.

Congress ain't gonna give them that (as of now) and Modi is still likely to win 2024 (with lesser majority of course).

If Kejri fought 2021 against ALL, his party would get routed.

BUT....if all parties band together to make Kejri the PM face, the entire minority vote will go to him.

So will the so called intellectuals and pseudo seculars (people like us). Hehe.

So will the centrist Hindus.

And even some of the hardcore Hindus who wanna just have good governance.

Of course, it won't be easy.

The campaign has to be managed in an expertly way.

No way should minorities be appeased. The angle should be equality for all (not just in speech) but even in actions.

Little to no infighting among parties.

Lotsa things have to go right cos BJP will come HAMMER and TONGS giving everything they got.

But here's the problem they have:

They don't have anything to offer or promise except for polarization. Their ONLY way to beat out everyone with a proper PM face is by creating mass hysteria among Hindus who will overwhelming vote for them. As long as that is avoided (and they will try as hard as they can to make it happen), it will be a crazy crazy election.

And I won't be one bit surprised if Kejri prevails.



So many factors .

One, he has proven himself as a good administrator.

Two, he can appeal to people on both ends of the religious spectrum.

Three, he is smart, educated and has a personality. Of course, he can't match Modi in charisma, but on paper, he has a far wider appeal in today's climate. Modi, on the other hand, has haters and some rabid rabid supporters. What is the current % is unknown now.

Think of the situation like Biden vs Trump.

Except Kejri is more charismatic, likeable, and able than Biden in EVERY way imaginable.

In fact, if there's ONE politician in India who can give Modi a complex....it's Kejri.

Not Mamta (lol).

Not that dakkan Yogi (he is a broken taperecorded that no one outside UP cares or respects).

No one else.

Kejri is everything that Modi is not (except for charisma) lol.

Now don't get me wrong.

Kejri is a politician at the end of the day and all politicians are to be treated with suspicion.

But he has a lot going for him.

All he is lacking is infrastructure and ground level support to mobilise cadres and fight a national election.

If that is given to him, it will be ONE HECK of an election.

Now whether that happens is another story altogether.

Unless India has a real PM face alternative emerging, Modi will keep winning. All he needs is 150 seats and Amit Shah will make sure govt is formed.

Best post on Kejriwal so far. 100% agree with this. :inti
 
So let me get this straight.

The intellectuals messed up for the first 50 years.

Then in the next 15 years (actually 30 years since liberalization) they did so good that I get to talk about India's status in the world endlessly.

Now that we are doing good, let me go and support "non-intellectuals" to give them a chance.

And when these "non-intellectuals" get owned on a daily basis in local, national and international scale, let me harp on the first 50 years of "misrule" to slam "intellectuals".

Yeh kya logic hai bhai :P

I will give this one more try.

India became independent in 1947, and by 1980 after more than 3 decades of Nehruvian Socialism, we had 60% of the population in poverty according to UN statistics.

"In India alone, the poverty headcount fell by 18 percentage points, from 60 per cent in 1981 to 42 per cent in 2005."

https://www.un.org/esa/socdev/rwss/docs/2010/chapter2.pdf

Nehru and his daughter were allegedly intellectuals, while those who came later like Narasimha Rao did not have such pretensions. MMS again laid a claim to being an intellectual, but he didn't achieve any economic breakthrough.

Led by 2 "intellectuals", the Trinity College, Cambridge graduate Nehru and his daughter who received some education at Oxford, India had 60% of its population in poverty by 1981. Anyone who defends this performance is just shameless.

BJP is opposed by the "intellectuals", but I find that they are much more ready to carry out the next stage of free market reforms. Gujarat has developed faster economically than other states in the last 25 years under BJP rule.

It gets boring discussing these issues with people who have only superficial knowledge.
 
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I will give this one more try.

India became independent in 1947, and by 1980 after more than 3 decades of Nehruvian Socialism, we had 60% of the population in poverty according to UN statistics.

"In India alone, the poverty headcount fell by 18 percentage points, from 60 per cent in 1981 to 42 per cent in 2005."

https://www.un.org/esa/socdev/rwss/docs/2010/chapter2.pdf

Nehru and his daughter were allegedly intellectuals, while those who came later like Narasimha Rao did not have such pretensions. MMS again laid a claim to being an intellectual, but he didn't achieve any economic breakthrough.

Led by 2 "intellectuals", the Trinity College, Cambridge graduate Nehru and his daughter who received some education at Oxford, India had 60% of its population in poverty by 1981. Anyone who defends this performance is just shameless.

BJP is opposed by the "intellectuals", but I find that they are much more ready to carry out the next stage of free market reforms. Gujarat has developed faster economically than other states in the last 25 years under BJP rule.

It gets boring discussing these issues with people who have only superficial knowledge.

Doesn’t everyone including N. Rao agree that the economic liberalization push was led by MMS though?
 
New Delhi(CNN)While hospitals plead for life-saving oxygen and Covid-19 patients die in their thousands, India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi is pushing ahead with a $1.8 billion parliamentary revamp -- including a new home for the country's leader.

The decision to continue with the project in the capital, New Delhi, has infuriated the public and opposition politicians, who have pointed to the apparent disconnect in pouring millions into a construction project when the country is struggling with its worst-ever public health crisis.

The pricey renovation, known as the Central Vista Redevelopment Project, has been categorized as an "essential service," meaning construction is allowed to continue even when most other building projects have been halted.

Two citizens -- including one with Covid-19 whose mother also has the virus -- lodged a case with the Delhi High Court on Wednesday to try to halt construction, which has continued even while the capital is in lockdown.

The petitioners argue the parliament buildings don't constitute an essential service and construction work could even become a Covid super-spreader event, according to special leave petition filed by lawyer Nitin Saluja. Workers are continuing to be ferried from their labor camp to the construction site, according to the document.

The High Court offered to hear the case later this month, but petitioners took the matter to the Supreme Court, arguing the lower court had "failed to appreciate the gravity" of the situation.

"Since there is a public health emergency in the matter, any delay could be detrimental to the larger public interest," Saluja wrote to the Supreme Court. Saluja said the case will most likely be heard Friday.

India has reported more than 3,000 Covid-19 deaths in each of the past few days. The country accounted for a quarter of global coronavirus fatalities over the past week, according to the World Health Organization's (WHO) weekly Covid-19 report.

Vanity project?
Even before the second wave, Central Vista had attracted controversy, with critics saying the redevelopment would come at the cost of history and heritage. But opposition has become more heated recently, with politicians slamming the plan as a vanity project.

Proponents of the 86-acre (35-hectare) revamp say it is necessary as the current 100-year-old buildings are not fit for purpose.

"The launch of the construction of the Parliament House of India, with the idea of Indianness by Indians, is one of the most important milestones of our democratic traditions," Modi said in December at the laying of the building's foundation stone. "We the people of India will construct this new Parliament building together."

An estimated 46,700 people are expected to be temporarily employed during construction, according to minutes released last week of an April expert appraisal committee meeting.

That meeting estimated the expansion of the parliament building and construction of a new parliament building will be completed in November 2022, while the Prime Minister's residence is set to be finished in December 2022. The entire project is set to be completed by the end of 2026.

The $1.8 billion project was given environmental approval from an expert panel of the Environment Ministry earlier this year, essentially giving the project the green light.

But as coronavirus cases have soared, so too has the backlash to Modi's project.

"People are dying of Covid but (Prime Minister Modi's) priority is the Central Vista project," tweeted Yashwant Sinha, the former minister of finance and external affairs. "Should we not be building hospitals instead? How much more price the nation must pay for electing a meglomaniac?"

Earlier this week, opposition MP Rahul Gandhi said: "The (Prime Minister's) ego is bigger than people's lives."

In a previous tweet, Gandhi said: "Central Vista - not essential. Central (Government) with a vision - essential." Community Party of India's Sitaram Yechury called the move "grotesque."

The criticism has gone beyond politicians. On Twitter, some people have even drawn comparisons between Modi and Nero, the Roman emperor who, according to legend, fiddled while Rome burned.

The project is just the latest mark against Modi, who has been criticized for his handling of the second wave. Even as cases skyrocketed, critics say he underplayed the risk and continued to hold mass political rallies ahead of state elections.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/05/06/...intl-hnk/index.html?__twitter_impression=true
 
If you are capable of adding a 2 digit number to a 4 digit number you should be able to figure out my point.
lol, so you think what Nehru got in legacy from British in '47 can in any way be compared with what your hero got in legacy in '14, then I can only say you know nothing about India or its issues.

Just parroting Gujarat model day in and day out won't take you anywhere. And we all know how well Gujarat has done under this so-called Gujarat model of governance with it being low on all HD indices and its healthcare systems lays in tatters!
 
My question to all NRIs who deify their master, he has ruled India for 7 years now. Don't you think he would've done enough in India for you guys to see greener pastures in India itself now? After all, greener pastures were all you guys were after when you left a 'socialist' India doing pathetically on all counts? Shouldn't all of you come back to your beloved motherhand?

7 years is a lot of time for anyone to fundamentally change how a nation functions, that is if he is serious and competent enough and has that ability. And when you have such unbridled power during those 7 years, then change should be even swifter to bring.
 
Doesn’t everyone including N. Rao agree that the economic liberalization push was led by MMS though?
You'll be astonished to know that some of these guys don't even want to credit MMS/PVN for India going on a path of economic liberalization.
 
Read this somewhere,

As chief minister, he had ignored the opposition; from 2001 to 2014, on average, he went to the state assembly less than once a year.

So this is how democracies and their function heads function!
 
PM Modi's government must own up to its mistakes in handling Covid, Lancet said.


New Delhi: India "squandered" its early successes in controlling COVID-19 and Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government could preside over "a self-inflicted national catastrophe", international medical journal The Lancet said in an editorial on Saturday.
In a piece highly critical of the government's handling of the coronavirus pandemic, the widely respected publication said the success of India overcoming the crisis will depend on PM Modi's administration "owning up to its mistakes".

"[PM] Modi's actions in attempting to stifle criticism and open discussion during the crisis are inexcusable," it said.

"India squandered its early successes in controlling COVID-19. Until April, the government's COVID-19 taskforce had not met in months. The consequences of that decision are clear before us, and India must now restructure its response while the crisis rages," the Lancet editorial said.

"The success of that effort will depend on the government owning up to its mistakes, providing responsible leadership and transparency, and implementing a public health response that has science at its heart," it said.

The journal called out the government for giving out the impression that India had beaten COVID-19 after several months of low case counts, despite repeated warnings of the dangers of a second wave and the emergence of new strains.

"Before the second wave of cases of COVID-19 began to mount in early March, Indian Minister of Health Harsh Vardhan declared that India was in the "endgame" of the epidemic," it noted.

"Despite warnings about the risks of super-spreader events, the government allowed religious festivals to go ahead, drawing millions of people from around the country, along with huge political rallies-conspicuous for their lack of COVID-19 mitigation measures," Lancet said.

Calling India's vaccination policy "botched" and "falling apart" at the central level, the journal noted that the government abruptly shifted course without discussing the change in policy with states and has managed to vaccinate less than 2 per cent of the population.

"At times, Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government has seemed more intent on removing criticism on Twitter than trying to control the pandemic," Lancet said.

"The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation estimates that India will see a staggering 1 million deaths from COVID-19 by Aug 1. If that outcome were to happen, Modi's government would be responsible for presiding over a self-inflicted national catastrophe," it added.

India on Saturday reported its highest ever single-day COVID-19 deaths, as cases continued to rise and states imposed stricter lockdowns.

India's health ministry reported 4,187 fatalities over the past 24 hours, taking the overall death count to just under 2.4 lakh. Cases rose by 4,01,078, increasing the total since the start of the pandemic to 2.19 crore.

Hospitals across the country have been overwhelmed by the crisis with patients and doctors left to begging on social media for oxygen, beds and other necessities.
 
So according to Indian Punjab's CM Amarinder Singh, Modi sarkar rejected the province's request to import liquid medical oxygen (LMO) from Pakistan even as India faces a dire shortage of oxygen and accounts for record coronavirus cases and deaths everyday.

I remember alot of people were making a big deal about the potential of Pakistan importing vaccines from India. I'd love to hear what some of these people have to say about this.
 
Modi and the rest of the folks in charge of India have completely manhandled the vaccine program. It's a disgrace.

And after the 30% taxes and 4% cesses and 18% GST on everything, I will need to fork up ₹1,250 per dose? What a joke.
 
Just parroting Gujarat model day in and day out won't take you anywhere. And we all know how well Gujarat has done under this so-called Gujarat model of governance with it being low on all HD indices and its healthcare systems lays in tatters!

Gujjus were fairly well to do even before Modi. Has nothing to do with him.

The fraud just used them as a bandwagon to fulfill his ambitions.
 
Gujjus were fairly well to do even before Modi. Has nothing to do with him.

The fraud just used them as a bandwagon to fulfill his ambitions.

Gujjus are well off because they have the sense to choose political parties like the BJP who will follow economic policies that will lead to growth. BJP has been in power in Gujarat for over 2 decades now. If Gujjus chose leaders like Mamata, their economy would resemble West Bengal's economy by now.

People think BJP lost the elections in West Bengal, but in two election cycles it has gone from zero to about 35% of the MLAs. Likely next elections it will get a majority.

My advice to posters ranting about Modi. You may blame him for the corona spike etc., but most Indian voters trust him and believe he is doing the best any PM could do. Wait till the next Parliamentary elections and you will find out for yourself.
 
Gujjus are well off because they have the sense to choose political parties like the BJP who will follow economic policies that will lead to growth. BJP has been in power in Gujarat for over 2 decades now. If Gujjus chose leaders like Mamata, their economy would resemble West Bengal's economy by now.

People think BJP lost the elections in West Bengal, but in two election cycles it has gone from zero to about 35% of the MLAs. Likely next elections it will get a majority.

My advice to posters ranting about Modi. You may blame him for the corona spike etc., but most Indian voters trust him and believe he is doing the best any PM could do. Wait till the next Parliamentary elections and you will find out for yourself.

Most Germans also trusted hitler and he won elections....

Besides almost anyone will admit that india is worse off today than 2014
 
Gujjus are well off because they have the sense to choose political parties like the BJP who will follow economic policies that will lead to growth.

This is nonsense. Please read up on history - the Gujarati community has been prosperous relative to the rest of the sub-continent since halfway into the British era. Modi and the BJP weren't even a concept when the first of them soft-colonized African shores where they are top of the ladder to this day. When you have decades of such momentum, you will naturally find half baked politicians like Modi who will use it to catapult himself to success just by being there at the right place at the right time.

And mind you, in spite of everything Gujarat is hardly paradise on earth. Economic growth doesn't block its relatively poor performance on the women empowerment and human development fronts.

My advice to posters ranting about Modi. You may blame him for the corona spike etc., but most Indian voters trust him and believe he is doing the best any PM could do. Wait till the next Parliamentary elections and you will find out for yourself.

Of course he's going to continue to defraud us all if Rahul Gandhi is on the opposite ticket. Just like 2019 - where the BJP didn't win but there was no opposition.

While we continue to be in this state of limbo, he can wax lyrical on his Gujarat model while the country continues to decline all around him and us.
 
Modi and the rest of the folks in charge of India have completely manhandled the vaccine program. It's a disgrace.

And after the 30% taxes and 4% cesses and 18% GST on everything, I will need to fork up ₹1,250 per dose? What a joke.

So you can pay 30 per cent tax and 4 per cent cess that puts you into the highest income category, but you cant pay 1250 for a vaccine?

18 per cent GST on everything? Really?

If you want free vaccines then wait before the priority age group gets the vaccines. If i am not wrong, every country has done prioritization of vaccine takers.
 
So you can pay 30 per cent tax and 4 per cent cess that puts you into the highest income category, but you cant pay 1250 for a vaccine?

Bakwaas argument as expected. With some others, I would follow that up with "You can do better than that", but with you it's a lost cause.

Are you in cahoots with somebody in Team Saffron? Ask them to stuff the vaccine registration link in the Income Tax portal, activated for starters only for those who have filed ITRs for the last 3 years. Then this country will learn. And yes, then I'll gladly fork out the 1250.
 
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Who will admit India is worse off? Indians who have voted Modi? If not, then it doesn't matter.
Yea quite a few.

People can admit they are worse off economically but still vote for Modi due to the focus on Hindutva politics which is a fair enough reason.
 
This is nonsense. Please read up on history - the Gujarati community has been prosperous relative to the rest of the sub-continent since halfway into the British era. Modi and the BJP weren't even a concept when the first of them soft-colonized African shores where they are top of the ladder to this day. When you have decades of such momentum, you will naturally find half baked politicians like Modi who will use it to catapult himself to success just by being there at the right place at the right time.

And mind you, in spite of everything Gujarat is hardly paradise on earth. Economic growth doesn't block its relatively poor performance on the women empowerment and human development fronts.



Of course he's going to continue to defraud us all if Rahul Gandhi is on the opposite ticket. Just like 2019 - where the BJP didn't win but there was no opposition.

While we continue to be in this state of limbo, he can wax lyrical on his Gujarat model while the country continues to decline all around him and us.

Hasn’t Gujrat seen some of the worst of covid despite the obvious suppression of numbers there?
 
Bakwaas argument as expected. With some others, I would follow that up with "You can do better than that", but with you it's a lost cause.

Are you in cahoots with somebody in Team Saffron? Ask them to stuff the vaccine registration link in the Income Tax portal, activated for starters only for those who have filed ITRs for the last 3 years. Then this country will learn. And yes, then I'll gladly fork out the 1250.

Bring in some arguments and not personal comments.

You claim to pay the highest income tax slab and cry about paying 1250rs for vaccines.
 
This is nonsense. Please read up on history - the Gujarati community has been prosperous relative to the rest of the sub-continent since halfway into the British era. Modi and the BJP weren't even a concept when the first of them soft-colonized African shores where they are top of the ladder to this day.

I am going to say this one more time because I don't have an endless amount of time to waste. The Gujjus are economically successful as you realize, and they have chosen the BJP to rule them for the last 25 years. You should understand what that means.

No more replies unless I see something intelligent.
 
I am going to say this one more time because I don't have an endless amount of time to waste. The Gujjus are economically successful as you realize, and they have chosen the BJP to rule them for the last 25 years. You should understand what that means.

No more replies unless I see something intelligent.

You do realize that wealthy people often support right wing governments, as those governments are willing to take money from these people in exchange for less taxes, less regulations, looking the other way etc. Why do you think all major lobbies in the US donate to the republican party? Why do you think the top 1% are now crying because Biden might raise their taxes?
 
Most Germans also trusted hitler and he won elections....

As stupid as me saying "Most Pakistanis trusted IK like Germans trusted Hitler".

Also, if you are going to cite history, at least read something before you do so. Hitler did not win elections because "most Germans" trusted him, his party got only 37.2% of the vote in the 1932 elections.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_1932_German_federal_election

Besides almost anyone will admit that india is worse off today than 2014

Anyone who thinks that is a fool, given that the per cap incomes has increased by 33% from 2014 to 2020.

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https://tradingeconomics.com/india/gdp-per-capita

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As stupid as me saying "Most Pakistanis trusted IK like Germans trusted Hitler".

Also, if you are going to cite history, at least read something before you do so. Hitler did not win elections because "most Germans" trusted him, his party got only 37.2% of the vote in the 1932 elections.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_1932_German_federal_election



Anyone who thinks that is a fool, given that the per cap incomes has increased by 33% from 2014 to 2020.

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Lolol. BJP didn’t get majority votes that way either then
 
Gujjus were fairly well to do even before Modi. Has nothing to do with him.

The fraud just used them as a bandwagon to fulfill his ambitions.
There is not a single government hospital constructed in Gujarat ever since these fascists assumed power in Gujarat. There was one temporarily constructed for mota bhai to 'inaugurate' during just concluded WB elections, only for patients to be turned away the very next day!

That's Gujarat model of governance for you!
 
My question to all NRIs who deify their master, he has ruled India for 7 years now. Don't you think he would've done enough in India for you guys to see greener pastures in India itself now? After all, greener pastures were all you guys were after when you left a 'socialist' India doing pathetically on all counts? Shouldn't all of you come back to your beloved motherhand?

7 years is a lot of time for anyone to fundamentally change how a nation functions, that is if he is serious and competent enough and has that ability. And when you have such unbridled power during those 7 years, then change should be even swifter to bring.
So I ask it again, if India has become
so prosperous during last 7 years, when are you planning to return to your beloved motherland?
 
Lolol. BJP didn’t get majority votes that way either then

In how many elections did any party or coalition get more than 42 percent votes?

Its amusing how a Pakistani think he knows what's better for India. You do know that one of the reasons Modi gets elected is because he has a hardline approach towards pakistan.
 
Hindutva suppoters still making excuses for Modi.

The chaiwala in charge but still oxegyn not available, beds no avaialbe. Now the virus has spread to the villages, those poor people are being left to die like dogs, so sad.
 
Hindutva suppoters still making excuses for Modi.

The chaiwala in charge but still oxegyn not available, beds no avaialbe. Now the virus has spread to the villages, those poor people are being left to die like dogs, so sad.

Pakistanis will keep hating Modi because he has a hardline on Pakistan. Doesn't matter one bit.

Covid has claimed 100s of 1000s in more advanced countries. The way people like you are rubbing their hands in glee, more reason to keep electing Modi so that he keeps the hardline. Oh and Pakistanis dont get a say in who rules India, so don't know why anyone will try to give excuses to foreigners.
 
Modi and the rest of the folks in charge of India have completely manhandled the vaccine program. It's a disgrace.

And after the 30% taxes and 4% cesses and 18% GST on everything, I will need to fork up ₹1,250 per dose? What a joke.

Its cheap. Cant afford or dont want to spend? Get it in govt facilities for free.

Correct criticism of vaccine program will be - delays and scale. However, Modi is not responsible for it in entirety for factors not in his control.

My family back in India (Mumbai) were impressed with vaccine mass facilities for elderly before the second wave. But hey, keep riling/b***hing about someone who has dedicated every minute of his life in service.
 
Pakistanis will keep hating Modi because he has a hardline on Pakistan. Doesn't matter one bit.

Covid has claimed 100s of 1000s in more advanced countries. The way people like you are rubbing their hands in glee, more reason to keep electing Modi so that he keeps the hardline. Oh and Pakistanis dont get a say in who rules India, so don't know why anyone will try to give excuses to foreigners.

He is a teaboy who has left Indians on the streets begging for hospital beds but you'd rather defend him than speak up for Indians. Modi cant do anything to Pak, last time he tried, his pilot was sipping tea in Pak.

India has the 2nd highest death toll, so which MORE countries are you dreaming of? Most academics are stating the numbers are far far higher.
 
Modi and the rest of the folks in charge of India have completely manhandled the vaccine program. It's a disgrace.

And after the 30% taxes and 4% cesses and 18% GST on everything, I will need to fork up ₹1,250 per dose? What a joke.

Dont trust Modi, but surely Rs.1250 is peanuts right? Vaccines for poor should be free but middle and upper class can fork the bill considering India is still a third world country just like Pakistan?
 
Hindutva suppoters still making excuses for Modi.

The chaiwala in charge but still oxegyn not available, beds no avaialbe. Now the virus has spread to the villages, those poor people are being left to die like dogs, so sad.

You can keep being elitist and keep calling Modi a chaiwalla but Nehru and his daughter from Cambridge and Oxford drove the Indian economy into a ditch, so we are happy with the chaiwalla.

How is Pakistan’s economy doing with the Oxbridge in charge?

No replies unless I see something intelligent.
 
Dont trust Modi, but surely Rs.1250 is peanuts right? Vaccines for poor should be free but middle and upper class can fork the bill considering India is still a third world country just like Pakistan?

Those who wish to whine will if they are asked to pay Rs. 50, let alone Rs. 1,250.

At the beginning of the year there were people I know in the US willing to pay $100,000+ to get the vaccine. Now you have people whining about paying less than $20.
 
You can keep being elitist and keep calling Modi a chaiwalla but Nehru and his daughter from Cambridge and Oxford drove the Indian economy into a ditch, so we are happy with the chaiwalla.

How is Pakistan’s economy doing with the Oxbridge in charge?

No replies unless I see something intelligent.

There’s nothing else to say, the facts and reality is in front of the world to see. Unfortunately this fraud is going to take a billion Indians down with him, and the country will continue descending into a fascist state with no toilets, oxygen or vaccines for its people.
 
You can keep being elitist and keep calling Modi a chaiwalla but Nehru and his daughter from Cambridge and Oxford drove the Indian economy into a ditch, so we are happy with the chaiwalla.

How is Pakistan’s economy doing with the Oxbridge in charge?

No replies unless I see something intelligent.

Why Pakistan’s economy has stagnated, while Bangladesh and India have made rapid progress
A stagnant economy

A REVIEW of our economic data for this century triggers utter gloom. On almost all key indicators, we have either regressed or stagnated even while Bangladesh and India have made rapid progress.

We must grow at six to seven per cent annually to absorb our youth bulge, but have done so only twice (2003-2005) this century. However, inflation has exceeded that level in 12 years, piling misery on the poor. The industrial sector usually absorbs the youth bulge. Unfortunately, it has stagnated at around 20pc of GDP for decades while the service sector has grown from around 50pc to 60pc. Many poorer states achieve growth via exports. Our exports have fallen from 15pc of GDP in 2003 to around 10pc. FDI aids growth too. But it has fallen from 3.7pc of GDP in 2007 to 1pc.

Sadly, we only attract high FDI via close ties with big powers like the US or China, while our neighbours attract it even without such ties. Around 80pc of FDI since 2000 has gone into non-exportable sectors that don’t directly give foreign earnings. Overall, investment has fallen from 16.8pc of GDP in 2005-2006 to 13pc now. But consumption constitutes nearly 75pc of GDP, which is very high compared to the fast-growing Asian Tigers.

The issues of slow growth are upped by external and fiscal deficits. We had a current account surplus only three times this century but high deficits exceeding 3pc of GDP six times. The external deficit is kept in check by remittances, the only key indicator that has grown from less than 2pc of GDP in 2000 to 8pc. But while FDI and exports boost industry, remittances largely fuel high consumption and reflect family separation.

Only remittances show a positive trend.

A fiscal deficit occurs annually and has exceeded 5pc of GDP in most years since 2000. The tax-to-GDP ratio has fallen from 13pc in 1990s to 10pc. Health and education expenses are stagnant at around 3pc and 1pc of GDP. Debt servicing as a ratio of tax revenues has steadily increased. The defence outlays-to-GDP ratio has fallen but remains among the highest globally. Public debt has increased from around 60pc of GDP in 2010 to nearly 90pc.

Thus, only remittances show a positive trend. The picture is bleakest under the PTI as outcomes fall below even the modest pre-2018 levels on almost every major indicator. Even worse, the peaks early this century were achieved via close but unreliable US ties, which gave long-term problems of terrorism that wiped out fleeting economic gains. The last century was no better, with stagnancy in the 1950s, 1970s and 1990s and short-term growth in the 1960s and 1980s fed by US ties that gave rise to high inequity, the 1971 tragedy and long-term extremism in the 1980s.

So why can’t we even match our neighbours with similar history, location, culture etc? Many may point to corruption and dynastic politics. But our neighbours have those too. Bad policies by both military and civilian regimes seem a more plausible cause. Every few months, some global or national institution proudly trots out a glossy report providing grandiose policy options. But they mostly gather dust. So the issue is not ignorance of correct policies. The puzzle is why can’t the state adopt good policies and the private sector good strategies for growth?

This reflects overall societal incompetence in the public and private sectors compared even with our neighbours. A comparison with them shows that the cause is not corruption and dynastic politics, which they also have, but our evolution as a security state under the vice-like grip of our deep state. This evolution has produced political instability as civilian prime ministers never complete terms and must share power with the defence establishment. The perverse patronage politics we see today was deliberately created by Gen Zia to control politics.

Social retrogression as fake dogma has been unleashed by certain elements to control society, resulting in extremism, docility, risk aversion, lack of innovation and a general societal dumbing down. We suffer from foreign dependence in currying favours with big powers to checkmate India. Meanwhile, big businesses run by the security establishment allegedly benefit generously from state favours while the state thrives on external largesse and the private sector on state largesse instead of quality and innovation. All this chokes economic vitality. A stagnant economy thus reflects a stagnant society.

We are now told we will pivot from geo-security to geoeconomics. Alas, those trained in security cannot deliver on economy. Those part of the problem can’t be part of the solution. Also the massive damage inflicted on the social and political fabric of society over 40 years will take ages to undo even if the establishment loosens its grip. Thus, anyone expecting rapid progress in Pakistan will be disappointed.

The writer is a political economist.
murtazaniaz@yahoo.com
https://www.dawn.com/news/1621945/a-stagnant-economy
 
India has given 175 million doses until now which is itself a commendable achievement considering the scale of country.
 
Where is the chaiwala these days? Not heard from him He should be leading from the front not hiding away whilst his fellow citizens are dying on the streets?
 
He is busy doing his Mann ki baat & spreading 'positivity'!
 
Why Pakistan’s economy has stagnated, while Bangladesh and India have made rapid progress
A stagnant economy

A REVIEW of our economic data for this century triggers utter gloom. On almost all key indicators, we have either regressed or stagnated even while Bangladesh and India have made rapid progress.

We must grow at six to seven per cent annually to absorb our youth bulge, but have done so only twice (2003-2005) this century. However, inflation has exceeded that level in 12 years, piling misery on the poor. The industrial sector usually absorbs the youth bulge. Unfortunately, it has stagnated at around 20pc of GDP for decades while the service sector has grown from around 50pc to 60pc. Many poorer states achieve growth via exports. Our exports have fallen from 15pc of GDP in 2003 to around 10pc. FDI aids growth too. But it has fallen from 3.7pc of GDP in 2007 to 1pc.

Sadly, we only attract high FDI via close ties with big powers like the US or China, while our neighbours attract it even without such ties. Around 80pc of FDI since 2000 has gone into non-exportable sectors that don’t directly give foreign earnings. Overall, investment has fallen from 16.8pc of GDP in 2005-2006 to 13pc now. But consumption constitutes nearly 75pc of GDP, which is very high compared to the fast-growing Asian Tigers.

The issues of slow growth are upped by external and fiscal deficits. We had a current account surplus only three times this century but high deficits exceeding 3pc of GDP six times. The external deficit is kept in check by remittances, the only key indicator that has grown from less than 2pc of GDP in 2000 to 8pc. But while FDI and exports boost industry, remittances largely fuel high consumption and reflect family separation.

Only remittances show a positive trend.

A fiscal deficit occurs annually and has exceeded 5pc of GDP in most years since 2000. The tax-to-GDP ratio has fallen from 13pc in 1990s to 10pc. Health and education expenses are stagnant at around 3pc and 1pc of GDP. Debt servicing as a ratio of tax revenues has steadily increased. The defence outlays-to-GDP ratio has fallen but remains among the highest globally. Public debt has increased from around 60pc of GDP in 2010 to nearly 90pc.

Thus, only remittances show a positive trend. The picture is bleakest under the PTI as outcomes fall below even the modest pre-2018 levels on almost every major indicator. Even worse, the peaks early this century were achieved via close but unreliable US ties, which gave long-term problems of terrorism that wiped out fleeting economic gains. The last century was no better, with stagnancy in the 1950s, 1970s and 1990s and short-term growth in the 1960s and 1980s fed by US ties that gave rise to high inequity, the 1971 tragedy and long-term extremism in the 1980s.

<b>So why can’t we even match our neighbours with similar history, location, culture etc? Many may point to corruption and dynastic politics. But our neighbours have those too. Bad policies by both military and civilian regimes seem a more plausible cause. Every few months, some global or national institution proudly trots out a glossy report providing grandiose policy options. But they mostly gather dust. So the issue is not ignorance of correct policies. The puzzle is why can’t the state adopt good policies and the private sector good strategies for growth?

This reflects overall societal incompetence in the public and private sectors compared even with our neighbours. A comparison with them shows that the cause is not corruption and dynastic politics, which they also have, but our evolution as a security state under the vice-like grip of our deep state. This evolution has produced political instability as civilian prime ministers never complete terms and must share power with the defence establishment. </b>The perverse patronage politics we see today was deliberately created by Gen Zia to control politics.

Social retrogression as fake dogma has been unleashed by certain elements to control society, resulting in extremism, docility, risk aversion, lack of innovation and a general societal dumbing down. We suffer from foreign dependence in currying favours with big powers to checkmate India. Meanwhile, big businesses run by the security establishment allegedly benefit generously from state favours while the state thrives on external largesse and the private sector on state largesse instead of quality and innovation. All this chokes economic vitality. A stagnant economy thus reflects a stagnant society.

We are now told we will pivot from geo-security to geoeconomics. Alas, those trained in security cannot deliver on economy. Those part of the problem can’t be part of the solution. Also the massive damage inflicted on the social and political fabric of society over 40 years will take ages to undo even if the establishment loosens its grip. Thus, anyone expecting rapid progress in Pakistan will be disappointed.

The writer is a political economist.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1621945/a-stagnant-economy

Pretty much what posters like me, [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] etc. has been saying. Unless Pakistanis fix the root cause, progress will not be made. We will be having the same arguments and saying the same things for the next 50 years.
 
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In a famous interview just before the 2014 elections he said to the journalist Madhu Kishwar: 'Even today if my officers show me some paper, I say: "Tell me what's in it in two minutes. For me two minutes is sufficient for a 10-page document. This skill is something I have developed"."

For instance the BBC reported at the end of March this year that before the lockdown last year not a single ministry was consulted about what the consequences would be.

The BBC filed 240 right to information applications with various Indian government departments -- health, finance, disaster management -- to find out if and how much they were consulted ahead of the lockdown.

The responses revealed that no experts or government departments were consulted.

But even the Cabinet was not told till the day of Demonetisation, Tuesday 8 November, that India's 1,000 rupee and 500 rupee notes, 86% of all currency by value, would be wiped out that evening.

The government was not only unprepared for Modi's move; it was deliberately kept hidden from the government.

https://www.rediff.com/news/column/...fail-to-anticipate-a-second-wave/20210518.htm
 
A big lol at all devotees and their blind devotion towards this illiterate & utterly incompetent creature!
 
Thanks for detailed reply.

However I beg to differ.

Kejriwal may be doing great, in fact absolutely great in assembly elections, however he is still no match for bigot in LS elections which is where you can uproot these bloody bigots. You may win as many assembly elections as you want, till the time these medieval creatures are there at center, they'll continue to spread their hate & bigotry in all walks of life and will have control of narrative at levels which matter like on national & international scene.

He doesn't have the money or power to challenge the narratives which are fed to our gullible public by the paid Media.

Example : When he live streamed the meeting few weeks back, the entire narrative on paid godi media was how he broke protocol. If it was the other way around, i.e. Modi had live streamed something Kejariwal was saying, the godi media would be running news of failures of Kejriwal and how Modi exposed .

The entire propaganda media is too strong and is shaping how the public opinion is. Kejriwal doesn't have resources to counter that, so he has to be very calculator in what he says and what he does, especially in regards to religion which is the most polarizing topic which gets BJP the most benefit.

It's all about the money, BJP sold the nation to big corporates and now they control the narrative. Difficult to fight against that without resources.

I think its incredibly naive to think that our gullible public wont vote for him again. Modi government has a better measure of how much he can sway public opinion with propaganda rather than facts. We overestimate the critical thinking abilities of our general public. Just look at the result of the West Bengal elections - from just 3 seats in 2016 to 77 seats in 2021. They have literally finished off both the CPI(M) and the Congress in one fell swoop. If they can do that in Bengal, states with a strong core voter base for the party will vote him to power again. Make no mistake about that.

Look brothers....I love you guys but I must say all of you are complete BONKERS in a way.

Yes, BJP is a tough competitor.

Yes, they will use propaganda.

Yes, they will have the money power.

And yes, they will (mis)use law enforcement as they deem fit to make life hell for opposition.

And yes, they are front runners to win the 2024 elections.

So what should we do?

Give up and cry all day?

Stop fighting?

Let's go back a 100 years....

British were ruling.

Imagine hearing arguments:

"We are no match for British. They have a global army but we are just peasants. How the hell can we win? Its incredible naive to think a nation which is this divided can fight against the British and win"

Now, I am not comparing British to the BJP.

But you get the point.

ITS NEVER GOING TO BE EASY.

But if 1000s of years of history is anything to go by, there is ALWAYS a way out.

It might take time but it will happen.

But the key is to keep fighting.

Right now, the opposition is sitting on a LITERAL GOLDMINE with all the issues going on.

Imagine EVERYTHING screwing up at the same time.

I don't think any opposition in the history of Indian independent India had this big an opportunity.

Now whether they will win or even capitalize is up for debate.....but the point is this war is FAR from over.

Today, in the state elections, performance plays a BIG role (its not everything but it does play a huge role). Gone are the days when you can do nothing for the people and expect to win.

Obviously, things are different in the centre.

But then think about this.

In 2019, we NEVER gave them a proper alternative. We insulted their intelligence. We never put forth a credible plan except for bashing Modi. So status quo remained and he won.

In 2024, people are ITCHING for a change. But they want to be respected and given a real choice. You can't be sleeping for 5 years and then expect to be voted. So there is ALWAYS hope. Lets see how it plays out.

As for our contribution, feeling dejected from time to time is ok.

But we as citizens need to play our role and educate people around us reg fake news and help them see the light.

Not talking about PP, which is merely timepass at the end of the day but in social media, private groups, private interactions, etc.

Already started seeing some people's mindset shift.

And here's the thing:

The hardcore devotees won't change but they will be very vocal. Let them be. The elections are always decided by swing voters and this group will not be out there "defending" or "arguing" about every topic.

Change can happen.

We can't control what happens at the centre and whether parties improve or align. But we can control what we control.

It's NEVER naive to hope.

The government knows its not performing.

What it REALLY WANTS is for people like us to lose hope.


It wants people to think there is no choice cos that's what is "rational|, "realistic" and the "ground reality".

When that happens, they will swoop in, admit a few mistakes (to win over some suckers lol.....and to help their fans look rational in their own minds) and go for the "what's the alternative" angle to sway the public opinion.

That's what we should be wary of.

Educate. Educate. Educate everyone around you.

Keep the fight on.

Do your part.

Doesn't matter if the changes happens in 2024 or not.

What matters is we tried REAL HARD, which will bear fruit sooner or later.

----

Remember back in 2014, I used to fight with the entire PP (almost everyone) about how Dhoni needs to be removed as test captain, only to be met with "whats the alternative" question.

Think how that turned out. :D

"Whats the aternative gang" is almost always 100% wrong.

Especially when defending failures.

And time usually exposes them like crazy.

So screw the gas lighting and let's keep at it.
 
I will give this one more try.

India became independent in 1947, and by 1980 after more than 3 decades of Nehruvian Socialism, we had 60% of the population in poverty according to UN statistics.

"In India alone, the poverty headcount fell by 18 percentage points, from 60 per cent in 1981 to 42 per cent in 2005."

https://www.un.org/esa/socdev/rwss/docs/2010/chapter2.pdf

Nehru and his daughter were allegedly intellectuals, while those who came later like Narasimha Rao did not have such pretensions. MMS again laid a claim to being an intellectual, but he didn't achieve any economic breakthrough.

Led by 2 "intellectuals", the Trinity College, Cambridge graduate Nehru and his daughter who received some education at Oxford, India had 60% of its population in poverty by 1981. Anyone who defends this performance is just shameless.

BJP is opposed by the "intellectuals", but I find that they are much more ready to carry out the next stage of free market reforms. Gujarat has developed faster economically than other states in the last 25 years under BJP rule.

It gets boring discussing these issues with people who have only superficial knowledge.

You may have partly misunderstood me. But let's ignore that. Its not worth it to go back and forth over it.

The real issue is some pretty BOLD conclusions lol. Let's address that.

Nehru and his daughter were allegedly intellectuals, while those who came later like Narasimha Rao did not have such pretensions. MMS again laid a claim to being an intellectual, but he didn't achieve any economic breakthrough.

:)))

So Nehru and Indira are intellectuals...but Narasimha Rao who has a master's in law is not?

Cos the former had foreign degrees.

So convenient.

Compared to uneducated Modi, all of them are ultra intellectuals anyway.

BJP is opposed by the "intellectuals", but I find that they are much more ready to carry out the next stage of free market reforms. Gujarat has developed faster economically than other states in the last 25 years under BJP rule.

Yeah....I will dig deeper into Gujarat and then we can argue.

but yeah, the BJP government who had to beg the World Bank to change their ease of doing business methodology is better than intellectuals.

But then India had amazing employment, GDP growth, name & fame under BJP's rule.

As for Narasimha Rao, he is likely the best PM India has ever had economically, but he didn't go and create these policies on his own. He had exprts to do it and he cleared the political path for them to implement it.

Moreover, the guy who helped him, went on to become PM of India for 10 years allowing the Mera Bharat Mahaan types like you to constantly chest beat about how amazing we are online.

But then only problem was that he was a pesky "intellectual".

In 2014, you guys got a dream chance with Modi coming in with thumping majority.

Rockstar Modi will take us to new heights.

After all, he has all the experience in turning Gujarat into a super powa and all the national experts at his disposal.

End result is there to be seen by all. He has plunged India to this state where he has to shamelessly increase taxes on crude oil to get some money to keep things runnning.

It gets boring discussing these issues with people who have only superficial knowledge.

You are 100% right buddy.

You need to get bored a LOT more with more humiliations coming for your supreme leader.

If you didn't get bored, you would have to face the reality which can be very painful.
 
Look brothers....I love you guys but I must say all of you are complete BONKERS in a way.

Yes, BJP is a tough competitor.

Yes, they will use propaganda.

Yes, they will have the money power.

And yes, they will (mis)use law enforcement as they deem fit to make life hell for opposition.

And yes, they are front runners to win the 2024 elections.

So what should we do?

Give up and cry all day?

Stop fighting?

Let's go back a 100 years....

British were ruling.

Imagine hearing arguments:

"We are no match for British. They have a global army but we are just peasants. How the hell can we win? Its incredible naive to think a nation which is this divided can fight against the British and win"

Now, I am not comparing British to the BJP.

But you get the point.

ITS NEVER GOING TO BE EASY.

But if 1000s of years of history is anything to go by, there is ALWAYS a way out.

It might take time but it will happen.

But the key is to keep fighting.

Right now, the opposition is sitting on a LITERAL GOLDMINE with all the issues going on.

Imagine EVERYTHING screwing up at the same time.

I don't think any opposition in the history of Indian independent India had this big an opportunity.

Now whether they will win or even capitalize is up for debate.....but the point is this war is FAR from over.

Today, in the state elections, performance plays a BIG role (its not everything but it does play a huge role). Gone are the days when you can do nothing for the people and expect to win.

Obviously, things are different in the centre.

But then think about this.

In 2019, we NEVER gave them a proper alternative. We insulted their intelligence. We never put forth a credible plan except for bashing Modi. So status quo remained and he won.

In 2024, people are ITCHING for a change. But they want to be respected and given a real choice. You can't be sleeping for 5 years and then expect to be voted. So there is ALWAYS hope. Lets see how it plays out.

As for our contribution, feeling dejected from time to time is ok.

But we as citizens need to play our role and educate people around us reg fake news and help them see the light.

Not talking about PP, which is merely timepass at the end of the day but in social media, private groups, private interactions, etc.

Already started seeing some people's mindset shift.

And here's the thing:

The hardcore devotees won't change but they will be very vocal. Let them be. The elections are always decided by swing voters and this group will not be out there "defending" or "arguing" about every topic.

Change can happen.

We can't control what happens at the centre and whether parties improve or align. But we can control what we control.

It's NEVER naive to hope.

The government knows its not performing.

What it REALLY WANTS is for people like us to lose hope.


It wants people to think there is no choice cos that's what is "rational|, "realistic" and the "ground reality".

When that happens, they will swoop in, admit a few mistakes (to win over some suckers lol.....and to help their fans look rational in their own minds) and go for the "what's the alternative" angle to sway the public opinion.

That's what we should be wary of.

Educate. Educate. Educate everyone around you.

Keep the fight on.

Do your part.

Doesn't matter if the changes happens in 2024 or not.

What matters is we tried REAL HARD, which will bear fruit sooner or later.

----

Remember back in 2014, I used to fight with the entire PP (almost everyone) about how Dhoni needs to be removed as test captain, only to be met with "whats the alternative" question.

Think how that turned out. :D

"Whats the aternative gang" is almost always 100% wrong.

Especially when defending failures.

And time usually exposes them like crazy.

So screw the gas lighting and let's keep at it.
Well said SIF! That was one comprehensive post!

Dhoni's example is quite apt. However even at his absolute worst, Dhoni was miles ahead of bigot in whatever he did!

As for not losing hope, well I agree with you. These despots won't stay forever in power. However when I see people in my neighborhood & WA groups I'm part of, raising bogey of Muslims' population rising, I get most disappointed! I mean if even in these catastrophic times, people are fighting over Hindu Muslim, when will they ever learn!

Instead of asking tough & stinging questions from their master about why did he jettison them at this crucial juncture, they just simply get swept away by these anti national fascists and instead bark at wrong tree!
 
Coming to providing alternative to the bigot, ground situation is changing for sure. But the problem is people are STILL willing to give him benefit of doubt! Can you fathom this? If even after losing their family members due to sheer incompetence and vote bank politics of the current regime, they can still be naïve enough to go with Hindu Muslim narrative tossed by these bigots even at this juncture, you do get numb to all this!

And mind you, these creatures are not small in number by any means.
 
Chief Ministers sit like puppets, not allowed to speak at Covid meet with PM Modi: Mamata Banerjee

"We feel insulted and humiliated. A dictatorship is going on. The Prime Minister is feeling so insecure that he did not even listen to the chief ministers. What is this fear about?" Mamata Banerjee asked.


West Bengal Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee on Thursday described Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s meeting with chief ministers as “casual and superflop” as, she said, none of the chief ministers, including herself, were given a chance to speak.

Banerjee, after attending the meeting with the PM on the Covid-19 situation, said all chief ministers were made to sit like “puppets” and claimed a “dictatorship” is prevailing in the country.

“The Prime Minister called a meeting and invited the chief ministers. And all the chief ministers were sitting like puppets. Nobody was allowed to speak. Then how do we speak about the public demands? We are not bonded labourers. We feel insulted and humiliated. A dictatorship is going on. The Prime Minister is feeling so insecure that he did not even listen to the chief ministers. What is this fear about?” Banerjee asked.

The chief minister slammed the PM for taking the Covid 19 situation in the country “lightly” and “evading” queries from various states on vaccines, oxygen and covid 19 medicines.

“Today the federal structure is being bulldozed. The Centre has time to build massive buildings and statues but has no time to listen to the chief ministers. The country is at a critical juncture but the PM is so casual (in his approach). It was a casual and super flop meeting. Delhi’s Shahhenshah is saying sab theek hai (all is well) when everyday people are dying,” said Banerjee.

The chief minister further lambasted the Uttar Pradesh government for dumping suspected dead covid 19 patients in river Ganga and wondered why central teams or the CBI are not sent there to take note of the incident.

“The Centre has turned Namami Gange into Mrityupuri Gange. Covid-19 infected bodies are being dumped in the Ganga in UP and those are flowing into Bengal. It is polluting the water and causing damage to the environment. This is also increasing the Covid-19 infection. So many dead bodies are being dumped in Ganga and there is no record. You cannot compromise with nature. Why not central teams or CBI teams are sent there to take stock of the situation? The CBI does not reach their doorstep,” said Banerjee.

Responding to a question on the 2014 Lok Sabha polls, Banerjee said there is a need to form a team against the BJP. “I don’t know what others will do but there is a need to form a team against the BJP government at the Centre. It will be a fight between democracy against dictatorship,” she added.

Earlier this month, Jharkhand Chief Minister Hemant Soren had claimed PM Modi did not listen to him during the conversation over the phone on Covid situation in the state and that it was just a “monologue” from him.

The Prime Minister had then reportedly spoken to the chief ministers of Telangana, Andhra Pradesh and Odisha about the Covid-related situation in their states.

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/narendra-modi-mamata-banerjee-coronavirus-meeting-7322936/
 
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