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Mohammad Abbas in ODIs?

This might sound slightly strange to everyone, but I would make Abbas debut in the World Cup.

We have always have 1 or 2 uncapped players who come in during tournaments as a surprise package, he could play that role.
 
This might sound slightly strange to everyone, but I would make Abbas debut in the World Cup.

We have always have 1 or 2 uncapped players who come in during tournaments as a surprise package, he could play that role.

He will get slaughtered. Not a good idea
 
He will get slaughtered. Not a good idea

Finally a sane voice. Saw Abbas bowling in domestic LA game once. Was massacred by domestic hacks and looked ineffective. He is fine in tests. Could be tried in ODIs after world cup to see what he can do. Or maybe give him a few games before it. To debut him during world cup, not knowing how he copes with pressure of ODIs could backfire badly.
 
Why not T20, T10, six a side and double wicket as well? It will destroy him much quicker.
 
Finally a sane voice. Saw Abbas bowling in domestic LA game once. Was massacred by domestic hacks and looked ineffective. He is fine in tests. Could be tried in ODIs after world cup to see what he can do. Or maybe give him a few games before it. To debut him during world cup, not knowing how he copes with pressure of ODIs could backfire badly.

That’s indexed a concern, but WC will be played in UK, early summer. Another challenge is that it’s played with different ball, machine stitched white ball. But, given his exceptional bowling display, as a short term solution he is worthy of risking - may be in those 5 ODIs against England, before final call. Should have played few games against ZIM reserves.
 
My mistake - instead of using names, I should have used “open spot”. It’s about role profile - I am looking for 2 proper middle order batsmen who can score quick, can convert starts, can play pacers and can hit - if there are better incumbents than Umar & Maqsood - unse bulao. But this spin basher MoHa Malik Sarfu is not going to work much in UK. Besides, Umar is back up WK - you can’t take 16 men for 9 games in 29 days & 1 WK. Each & every team barring PAK has one player in starting XI, who can keep in crisis; PAK doesn’t take one even in squad!!! I am not sure actually where should Sarfraz bat - he is there as Captain, so I kept him at designated WK’s spot.

Shadab & Fahim can still make the XI (Shadab is there in my XI), if they can justify their spot for bowling - not for combined contribution of bat & ball; my whole argument is on that. Fahim can replace one of the 4 pacers, if his bowling justifies that - I take his runs as bonus. Same goes for Shadab - his honeymoon period is over, he has to justify spot for his 10 overs between 15-45 overs. Otherwise, on contribution value, you can’t drop Hafeez, even Malik - the king pair of bits & pieces cricketers. Even Imad makes better sense than say Afridi or Amir because he can add 20 extra runs & won’t concede 20 more in his 10 overs - net, net a computer program will always tell that Imad is more valuable than may be Shaheen or Amir.

That thought process of effective contribution is killing PAK ODI team (Test as well - but let NZ win the Test first, otherwise trolls will put me in place for taking a dig at Bilal, in PP everything is measured by final outcome) - I wish to change that. Specialists to play ODI and they must be judged on their core contribution: 6-7 overs of bowling for 1/34, then 38 ball 35 might make you top rated all rounder by computer ranking, or a valuable contributor in your fantasy league, but impact is almost zero, unless it’s winning game. If you are batting in top 6, you must win a game once you are set - even one in every 10 innings is acceptable, but that one innings has to be match winner, not like Sarfraz’s 60 in 1st ODI. Similarly, if you are picked as a bowler, you must be rated for the strike rate, not for economy.

Remember, PAK won CT for 3 specialist players doing their job properly : Hasan Ali MoS (& MoM in SF), opener FZ MoM in Final & Amir in opening spell in final - and these are bang specialist in their job (though Amir contributed against SRL with bat). And, Hasan also won it with ball against SAF, and Sarfraz did his job as no. 6 against SRL.

Hope it explains better - idea wasn’t to take a pun at the all-rounders.

You are write that we need proper dynamic middle order batsman and Malik/Hafeez both need to go but instead of going back to Umar/Maqsood, it is better to invest in young and hungry players. Saud/Zeeshan can play at 4, later being more dynamic and can hit both pace and spin. He has already scored 3 hundreds in 6 List A games which shows that he is no hack and loves to spend time on the crease. Talat/Asif at 6 are ideal, Asif struggled on slow pitches of UAE but he will be useful on flat batting tracks.

Shadab bowled well against NZ(5 wickets in 2 ODIs), he is our best fielder and has already played some clutch innings. His only competition in leg spin department is Irfan Khan who should be in our world cup squad as a backup for Shadab. Point is that probably there is not much difference between Shadab and Irfan's bowling but Shadab trumps Irfan in other departments.
Coming to Faheem, if you look at India(Pandya/Kumar), Newzealand(Grandhomme/Anderson), England(Stokes), most of these teams (including SA/Aus) are playing what you may refer as bits and pieces cricketers instead of specialists at 6,7 and 8 so its not an exclusive thing to Pakistan.

Pakistan in SA and probably also in WC will play 3 specialist fast bowlers, a bowling all rounder as 4th pacer(Faheem) and best LOI spinner in the country(Shadab) and I don't see any thing wrong with it. Batting lineup needs to change though.

Coming back to the thread, Abbas bowls in 125-135 kph range and I don't see any fast bowler these days bowling in that speed range, that too in powerplay and being successful. Junaid is a similar bowler to Abbas in LOIs in a way that he bowls hard lengths consistently but Junaid is quicker and more useful at death overs so I don't see any reason to play Abbas in ODIs.
 
Should Pakistan try Muhammad Abbas in ODIs against SA ?

If PCT somehow want to take Abbas to England for WC, I think they should try him for couple of ODIs on SA tour.
 
There was no harm in trying Abbas for SA ODIs.
A quality spell inside first 10 overs sometimes is good enough to shape the gameplay of entire match.
Amir did it in CT Final.
 
There was no harm in trying Abbas for SA ODIs.
A quality spell inside first 10 overs sometimes is good enough to shape the gameplay of entire match.
Amir did it in CT Final.

I think they would've picked him if it wasn't for his shoulder issues.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Inzamam-ul-Haq "It is the wish of the selection committee that Mohammad Abbas be part of the ODI team in the near future. When you have a bowler of this type in the ODI squad, it increases the strength of the side" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1083073436824584193?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 9, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Lets have Abbas, Sadaf open the bowling. 125KPH thunder bolts is the way to go.
 
Worth a try when fit. He can bowl most of his quota with the new ball and try to bag a couple of wickets. Amir hasn't looked great in ODI'S recently and hasn't looked like taking wickets. Hasan is better in the middle overs. So he has a potential spot waiting for him.
 
120s on flat pitches will be disastrous. He is capable of adapting for sure but will not be a potent force without all the fielders around the bat
 
I would like to see him play ODIs but bowling a majority of his overs with the new ball. I genuinely believe if he got it right in favourable conditions for him, he could be lethal and potentially win games for us.
 
I think its the best time to try Abbas for the Australia and England ODIs. Who knows he may turn out to be our next strike bowler next to Shaheen Afridi. Shinwari has been pathetic as seen from the SA ODI
 
I think its the best time to try Abbas for the Australia and England ODIs. Who knows he may turn out to be our next strike bowler next to Shaheen Afridi. Shinwari has been pathetic as seen from the SA ODI

He will be smashed black and blue to all parts of the ground. Have you ever watched him bowl in a LA or T20 game? Last time i saw him he was murdered by domestic hacks.
 
Selected for the ODI Squad against Australia.
 
When will we realize that not everyone is built for every format. Australia realized it long time ago. This guy is a waste of space with white ball.
 
When will we realize that not everyone is built for every format. Australia realized it long time ago. This guy is a waste of space with white ball.

We'll realize this when the sample-size is larger than seven overs. No one but Faheem has taken a wicket today and Abbas has been economical at least. He should get to play three, maybe four matches in this series.
 
Doesn't have pace, can't seam ball away from the right handers, can't bowl a decent bouncer and no variety at all. He is simply doesn't have the skills for this format.


Time to invest in likes of Musa, Hussain, and Naseem
 
Certainly not a good choice in UAE, but can be tried for couple of games in English series to judge whether he can survive or not, should get one more game in these series just to see whether he can move the new ball away
 
If Aamir can enjoy a free ride for more than 2 years then we should at least give Abbass one full series.
 
On a green seaming wicket he will be more than useful. Would have him in the squad and pick him based on conditions.
 
The pitch had nothing to offer for the bowlers, but still he did bowl better than the others.

Not a bad debut anyway
 
Selected because of the English conditions. How stupid can one be that they can't differentiate between ODI and test conditions after playing 500 international games.
 
You never know with the English weather we could have a run of overcast indifferent conditions which may suit his skillset. Worth having as an option. Not every game will be played on flat roads.
 
Abbas should never play ODI cricket again with his 78 mph thunderbolts.

He was bowling the immaculate line to Finch and seaming the ball back in, but lack of pace was allowing Finch to counter him easily.
 
Abbas feels honoured at one-day baptism

Sharjah, 23 March 2019:

Pakistan’s successful Test fast bowler Mohammad Abbas has shown pride in wearing a green shirt on his one-day debut, hoping he could take wickets with the white ball as he has done with the red.

The 29-year-old made his one-day debut in the first day-night international, taking one for 44 in his 10 overs as Australia chased down a target of 281 for the loss of just two wickets.

Abbas grabbed the wicket of Australia captain Aaron Finch, but only after the opener cracked a match-winning 116.

That was in total contrast to the start of his Test career, after some impressive performances, Abbas made a big impact against Ireland in Malahide last year, when he took nine wickets –four for 44 and five for 66 in the sixth match of his career. His heroics led Pakistan to a five-wicket win. Abbas was again the pick of the bowlers with eight wickets in Pakistan's win over England at Lord’s.

Abbas completed 50 Test wickets in 10 Tests to become the joint-second fastest to the mark by a Pakistani bowler, one more than wrist-spinner Yasir Shah.

Abbas admitted it was a challenge to bowl with white ball.

“In white ball cricket, you get flat wickets, so you have to adjust your bowling,” Abbas told www.pcb.com.pk. “But, in red ball cricket, you get better pitches. They are helpful, so you can bowl up also for the ball to swing.

“So, adjustment is the key after you assess the conditions.”

Abbas said ODI cricket is more demanding and there is less margin of error.

“There is less margin of error in white ball cricket. If you err, then you are hit for runs and boundaries,” said Abbas, who felt proud at getting one-day cap from bowling coach Azhar Mahmood.

“It was a proud moment. I didn't do much to help my team win, but in the next matches I will do my best to contribute to the wins. It was a typical one-day wicket and suited batsmen,” said Abbas of the Sharjah strip where Haris Sohail also hit his maiden one-day century in Pakistan’s total of 280 for five.

“I will do my best to take wickets with the new ball. If you don't get wickets, then the next option is to stop the flow of runs. Once you do that, then batsmen come under pressure and make mistakes,” said Abbas.

Pakistan trail the series 0-1 with the second match in Sharjah on Sunday.
 
Could be that he is canon fodder on UAE pitches and will be a riproaring success in England?
 
He will go for runs in England also. He does not have the height to get the extra bounce, neither the pace. Might occasionally seam the ball. Cannot be relied to come on for death over spells. Lots of negatives in selecting him.
 
Could be that he is canon fodder on UAE pitches and will be a riproaring success in England?

Do you watch ODIs in England? There’s no grass and there will be a kookaburra ball in the World Cup. They are flat pitches!
 
What a shame. Giving 3 odis to a 34 yr old with no future in limited overs cricket when they could have easily played hasnain today who is a bright prospect.
 
Scrambled mindset of the selectors.

Clueless idea to pick him.
 
Scrambled mindset of the selectors.

Clueless idea to pick him.

Seems a bit extreme given how well he did against Australia in the UAE. Fair enough that it didn't work out, but in a series of experimentation he was one that lots of people thought was worth a go.
 
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