Mohammad Abbas returns to Pakistan after attending the pre-Champions Trophy camp in England

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Abbas has been called up to the pre Champions Trophy camp to get white ball experience in English conditions <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/865576201435435008">May 19, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Mamoon]

Rather him than Junaid.

 

[hitthestump]

Why? Guy has poor List A stats and doesn't seem like he has the repertoire to be a very good LOI bowler.

 

[aloo paratha]

Kind of skeptical about this... He can either do really well or flop big time. The ODI game is just filled with flat decks and I don't think he has the pace, nor the variation to succeed. We'll see though.

 

[Speedster777]

Good he'll be effective in England.

 

[fazleefridi]

Looks like a call, from Mr. Arthur

It may be successful, or may backfire.
His success depends on the conditions, on offer.

If it's cloudy and with a green pitch, he might be successful. If it's a sunny day, with a flat pitch, he might be taken to the cleaners. That would be his last Odi.

 

[Hasan123]

In cloudy conditions he could be of use. For me if he played odis I would never use him at the death.

Instead I'll bowl his 10 overs in by 35th over.

 

[Sherlock]

Let's hope if he is picked he doesn't get hammered, and in turn his head drops.

 

[Rafay Shafiq]

Pcb again rushing

 

[Sarfarazian92]

Anyone and everyone is better than Wahab.

 

[NauV]

I don't think anyone can be inducted into the squad unless there is an injury . . so he is just going to the camp . . he isn't part of the squad

 

[MMHS]

I don't think anyone can be inducted into the squad unless there is an injury . . so he is just going to the camp . . he isn't part of the squad

After 25th - before that, I think few players can be "managed". The reason being - before 25th, the fitness report is within individual board, but after 25th, it'll be scrutinized & cross-checked by ICC Medical teams.

This is poor management by ICC - they are allowing back-door & allowing some undue favor to the host. If a player is injured between tournament, hosts can replace him in 2 hours, other teams might need over 2 days & the player will suffer from Jet lag. What FIFA does, should be introduced in ICC as well - in a WC, individual associations will send 30 names by 31st March of the WC year, which can be altered till 30th April. By 31st May 23 players will be selected (with their shirt number) & THAT'S FINAL; even in case of injury, no replacement. This is why FIFA increased the number from 22 to 23, to allow couple of GKs. I think, in 1990 WC, Pompido broke his arm & Argentina was stuck with Gaicochia (who was one booking away to miss next game) & their 3rd GK. Agres were allowed to bring replacement GK, but FIFA increased the cap to 23, so that teams can bring one extra GK, BUT, no replacement.

ICC should allow teams to bring 18 or even 19 players - but no replacement, for what so ever.

 

[Rayyman]

Already overrated.

 

[MMHS]

In cloudy conditions he could be of use. For me if he played odis I would never use him at the death.

Instead I'll bowl his 10 overs in by 35th over.

Ideally, within 25 overs & he should replace Shadab against IND & SRL (Wahab shouldn't even make the reserves).

1st 8: Amir 4, Abbas 4
9-15: JK/Fahim 4, Abbas 3
16-20: Amir 3, JK/Fahim 2
21-25: Abbas 3, Imad 2 ............

I think, I'll pick JK over Fahim for his wicket taking ability.

In June, with 2 ball, there is no reason to bring spinners before 21st over.

 

[Hasan123]

Ideally, within 25 overs & he should replace Shadab against IND & SRL (Wahab shouldn't even make the reserves).

1st 8: Amir 4, Abbas 4
9-15: JK/Fahim 4, Abbas 3
16-20: Amir 3, JK/Fahim 2
21-25: Abbas 3, Imad 2 ............

I think, I'll pick JK over Fahim for his wicket taking ability.

In June, with 2 ball, there is no reason to bring spinners before 21st over.

Shadab should play instead of Imad if were playing 1 spinner.

 

[Rayyman]

Ideally, within 25 overs & he should replace Shadab against IND & SRL (Wahab shouldn't even make the reserves).

1st 8: Amir 4, Abbas 4
9-15: JK/Fahim 4, Abbas 3
16-20: Amir 3, JK/Fahim 2
21-25: Abbas 3, Imad 2 ............

I think, I'll pick JK over Fahim for his wicket taking ability.

In June, with 2 ball, there is no reason to bring spinners before 21st over.

Ofc Sarfraz will bowl MoHa against Dhawan, De Kock and Tharanga. It's guaranteed.

 

[StreetSmart]

Rather him than Junaid.

Agree English conditions will support.

 

[ExpressPacer]

I'm not sure if this is a good option. I'm not a Junaid fan but frankly, he's looking better. But that's not important, I would have an injured Junaid over Abbas who is the king of trundlers and will get hammered by quality batsmen in CT. Would rather have Sohail Khan.

 

[MMHS]

Shadab should play instead of Imad if were playing 1 spinner.

Not against IND, because they read leggi in air & use their feet - lefti darter is better against them. I don't think Indians will allow him to settle - what I have seen is Shadab gets impatient & tries too many things, which can work in T20 or inferior batting units, but Indians will milk him for 4/5 singles until he tries something facny, which'll end in crowd many times.

Spinners are never going to get wickets against IND, might buy some, but I think playing 4 specialist pacer & a drater backed by MoHa/Malik is the way - or even drop Imad & play one extra bat in Fakhar, who also can dart few overs. IND top order is heavily reliant on VK - strategy should be to bowl first & get then 2 down by PP & 3 down inside 20 overs.

 

[StreetSmart]

Shadab should not play against India as they are the good batsman of spin bowling Dhoni will murder him Amir, Abbas, Fahim, Imad, Hafeez and Malik. They should try adding one more batsman instead of bowler.

 

[StreetSmart]

to me, line-up should be 6/4 6 genuine batsmen where two of them can bowl and 4 bowler in which 3 can bat.

 

[MMHS]

Ofc Sarfraz will bowl MoHa against Dhawan, De Kock and Tharanga. It's guaranteed.

I would have done same against De Kok as well, but not against Tharanga at this form. Dhawan probably will struggle either way.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

I think fahim will get injured and be replaced with Abbas

 

[Hasan123]

Not against IND, because they read leggi in air & use their feet - lefti darter is better against them. I don't think Indians will allow him to settle - what I have seen is Shadab gets impatient & tries too many things, which can work in T20 or inferior batting units, but Indians will milk him for 4/5 singles until he tries something facny, which'll end in crowd many times.

Spinners are never going to get wickets against IND, might buy some, but I think playing 4 specialist pacer & a drater backed by MoHa/Malik is the way - or even drop Imad & play one extra bat in Fakhar, who also can dart few overs. IND top order is heavily reliant on VK - strategy should be to bowl first & get then 2 down by PP & 3 down inside 20 overs.

Pakistan best chance of winning is to get wickets. Wahab will go for runs. Hasan Ali and Junaid Khan could also prove expensive.

Shadab could get wickets.

Imad darts could get milked as well.

 

[MMHS]

Pakistan best chance of winning is to get wickets. Wahab will go for runs. Hasan Ali and Junaid Khan could also prove expensive.

Shadab could get wickets.

Imad darts could get milked as well.

That's what I am saying - no regular spinner, play 4 out & out pacers & make 10 overs with part-timers.

Fakhar, Ahmed/Azhar
Babar, MoHa, Malik, Sarfu, Umar
Amir, Hasan, Abbas, JK.

Bowl flat out to get wickets & back top 7 to chase that.

 

[Hasan123]

That's what I am saying - no regular spinner, play 4 out & out pacers & make 10 overs with part-timers.

Fakhar, Ahmed/Azhar
Babar, MoHa, Malik, Sarfu, Umar
Amir, Hasan, Abbas, JK.

Bowl flat out to get wickets & back top 7 to chase that.

Would rather play the leg break then Azhar or JK.

 

[Mainul]

Get rid the Pakistan nation of Wahab.

 

[yasir]

That's a positive move, I can see Mickey's hand in it. Frankly JK is much worse. All three Amir, Hassan and Abbas has good control. If conditions are seaming(which is most likely the case), Wahab will not be useful. Who will be the forth seamer? - JK or new guy FA??

 

[ocfan]

Better than JK and Wahab.

 

[Speedster777]

He can be the surprise package.

 

[Rayyman]

I will either cry or have a huge rage attack if Mohammad "Trundler" Abbas gets selected for the Champions Trophy.

 

[Kianig89]

Duds like Hafeez n Malik won't allow these guys to feature in starting XI

 

[Rayyman]

Duds like Hafeez n Malik won't allow these guys to feature in starting XI

Good. Abbas doesn't deserve to be selected. Once again, the selectors have picked somebody for ODIs off of Test matches performances.

 

[kingusama92]

Not a bad option.

Use him as a specialist new ball bowler.

If they start using him heavily in the death overs, he'll get torn apart.

 

[Savak]

Abbas is a good bowler for seaming conditions. He will be a good option in England. Needs to improve his fitness big time.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

I will play him as third seamer if the pitch i green and conditions are overcast. Otherwise No.

 

[Boi]

lol why do people keep thinking we're gonna get seaming pitches in the CT? He's going to get smashed in ODIs on the flat decks we have over here for limited over games so no point adding him to the squad.

However, I don't mind Abbass being added to the camp as its good for him to be around the professional environment to help improve his fitness. Also we'll be touring England next year in May so this experience will be good for him to adjust to the conditions as he can be a handful in Tests especially at that time of the year.

 

[Square Drive]

Is it just for experience or are they considering him for the squad too?

 

[coy0607]

Why? Guy has poor List A stats and doesn't seem like he has the repertoire to be a very good LOI bowler.

typical PCB management? they have never ever been able to figure out what the correct format for a player is

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Big mistake

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Well if conditions are overcast, pitch is pacers friendly than I will play him rather than Junaid or Wahab (if his batteries aren't recharged)


Otherwise Abass is not a bowler for List A.


I would have chosen Sohail Khan, Atif Jabbar (if fit) or Ahmed Bashir.

[MENTION=143023]SarfiBabarHaris[/MENTION]

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Not a bowler for LOIs.

 

[shaz619]

Could be an inspired selection

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Well if conditions are overcast, pitch is pacers friendly than I will play him rather than Junaid or Wahab (if his batteries aren't recharged)


Otherwise Abass is not a bowler for List A.


I would have chosen Sohail Khan, Atif Jabbar (if fit) or Ahmed Bashir.


[MENTION=143023]SarfiBabarHaris[/MENTION]

Pitches in England are not pacer friendly nowadays.

 

[shaz619]

Pitches in England are not pacer friendly nowadays.

There is still enough lateral movement compared to other parts of the world and when its overcast the ball does a fair amount, the first 10-15 overs can be tricky regardless of how the pitch has been prepared.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Pitches in England are not pacer friendly nowadays.

Yes overall but " atmosphere " in England, SA & NZ always supports pacers who impart optimum back spin on the ball and present good seam.


Some wickets will assist good pace bowlers.


Mohammad Asif's best Odi record is in England although his overall record in Odi's is okayish.

 

[ExplicitAI]

He looks like a Test specialist in the Asif mould, I don't think he's a genuine ODI bowler. We should've went for Sohail Khan instead who's a modern ODI cricketer that can also hit sixes at the death.

 

[Shafi]

Most likely management wants to see Shehzad, Hafeez and Azhar survive first power play and score 25+ with loss of no more than 2 wickets.

 

[SARJ_BD]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Abbas has been called up to the pre Champions Trophy camp to get white ball experience in English conditions <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/865576201435435008">May 19, 2017</a></blockquote>
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To get white ball experience? Does this means he will not be part of Champions Trophy squad and will only practise?
Sounds a great idea coz its too early to line him in CT squad

 

[SARJ_BD]

Rather him than Junaid.

Did you see Junaid vs Australia recently? Name one player who performed like him against players like Warner

 

[Brilliance]

He has been brought in to get Pakistani batters used to the swing and seam in England. He will be bowling to them a lot in the nets.

 

[Mamoon]

Did you see Junaid vs Australia recently? Name one player who performed like him against players like Warner

Who cares about one dismissal? He troubled Warner a bit when the ball jagged off the seam and I don't need to explain why Warner is a walking wicket against any type of lateral movement. Look at the bigger picture: Junaid has been a disaster since 2014, and he single-handedly lost three matches for his team (2 in PSL; 1 in Pakistan Cup) in the last few matches that he has played.

He is not good enough for the top level anymore. No pace, no swing, no control, no intelligence, poor fitness, poor fielding, poor batting and a questionable action. He can get some seam movement every now and then, but the pitches are likely to be grassless during the Champions Trophy. Without a doubt, one of the worst cricketers in the world right now and Abbas will do really well to fare worse than him.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Sohail Khan would have been the best option.

 

[Hawkeye]

Sohail Khan is the best option indeed to be recalled, But Azhar Mahmood and Mickey Arthur hate him.

At this moment, I would take ANYONE over Junaid Khan.

Abbas >> Junaid anyway.

 

[Abdullah]

Will do well with the new ball.

 

[Saj]

I feel that the think-tank are now thinking we should have selected him for the Champions Trophy.

 

[Belawal2014]

I feel that the think-tank are now thinking we should have selected him for the Champions Trophy.

Mysterious injury incoming?

 

[Saj]

Mysterious injury incoming?

Haha. Quite possible.

 

[Hasan123]

I feel that the think-tank are now thinking we should have selected him for the Champions Trophy.

Which one of Junaid, Fahim, or Wahab will get an "injury "?

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Which one of Junaid, Fahim, or Wahab will get an "injury "?

If it happens then Fahim is probably gonna get the cut cuz literally every professional cricketer loves Wahab's "attitude and passion for the game"

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Sohail Khan is the best option indeed to be recalled, But Azhar Mahmood and Mickey Arthur hate him.

At this moment, I would take ANYONE over Junaid Khan.

Abbas >> Junaid anyway.

He's old,overweight and a bad fielder. 2 years ago yes but now we have better options.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

If it happens then Fahim is probably gonna get the cut cuz literally every professional cricketer loves Wahab's "attitude and passion for the game"

Fahim Ashraf is the only fast bowling allrounder who can hit big. Wouldn't be a wise idea unless they recall Amir Yamin as well.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Abbas in and Shadab out that's what they've done.

A bowler who does well in one format gets automatically selected for the others same that happened to Shadab where he did well in T20I's and got hit in the ODI's and then same happened in the Test.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

It's good that he's been selected.He'll most likely serve as a replacement for Junaid

 

[MenInG]

LAHORE: Middle-order batsman Umar Akmal has once again failed a fitness test and is expected to miss next month’s International Cricket Council (ICC) Champions Trophy, set to be jointly hosted by England and Wales.

The team management, per sources close to the matter, has already sent Umar’s
report to the cricket board and asked for left-handed batsman Haris Sohail to be included as his replacement.
Umar, Junaid fined for war of words
It is not the first time the 26-year-old Umar, who is currently in England for the preparation of the mega event, has failed a fitness test; similar issues had seen him dropped from the ODI and T20I squads for the recent West Indies series too.

The Lahore-born cricketer has represented the Men-in-Green in 116 ODIs and scored 3,044 runs at an average of 34.59.

28-year-old Haris, who last represented the national side two years ago, has emerged as the beneficiary of Umar’s failure.

Kamran Akmal out, Umar Akmal in for ICC Champions Trophy

The team management has also asked for pacer Mohammad Abbas’ inclusion in the squad in place of young leg-spinner Shadab Khan.

Abbas produced impressive performances in the recent Test series against West Indies, claiming 15 wickets in three matches at an average of less than 20.

The changes to the final squad are unlikely to need ratification from the ICC as according to tournament rules, teams are allowed to tweak their squads until May 24.

 

[Rayyman]

Horrible decision to replace Shadab with Abbas.

I'm sure [MENTION=141922]ExpressPacer[/MENTION] agrees with me.

 

[Speedster777]

Absolutely pathetic from team management if they're dropping Shadab Khan. He 's the X factor for our team. Seriously, these duffers would rather keep HACK hafeez budha and drop a youngster like Shadab. I hope this team loses miserably.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

We have to be careful our batting is poor in any case and we are intent on stacking the side with bowlers.

 

[Saj]

If Abbas is added to the squad it should be for another pace bowler not Shadab.

 

[sadida97]

If Abbas is added to the squad it should be for another pace bowler not Shadab.

I agree

 

[Rayyman]

Abbas is better than all of the bowlers in seam/swing, but that's it; But that's it. The other bowlers are better than him in everything else.

Even Junaid Khan is 5-10 kph faster than Abbas. And he has more aggression. He will intimidate the batsman and get under his skin. As done in his spell vs Aus. and got Warner out.

Abbas is the type of bowler who will bowl a good bouncer to a batsman and then tell him: "I'm sorry I almost hit you."

 

[Manager101]

If Abbas is added to the squad it should be for another pace bowler not Shadab.

Agreed. Shadab Khan has shown glimpses of a match-winner, he is must for Champions Trophy.

Wahab Riaz is absolutely out of form, Abbas should replace him.

 

[Speedster777]

Agreed. Shadab Khan has shown glimpses of a match-winner, he is must for Champions Trophy.

Wahab Riaz is absolutely out of form, Abbas should replace him.

Definitely.

 

[Pete Rose]

while i supposed there should be vigorous debate about all our bowlers, i find myself unable to move beyond the disaster that is spots 1 to 6 in our line up.

 

[Markhor]

Sohail Khan is the best option indeed to be recalled, But Azhar Mahmood and Mickey Arthur hate him.

At this moment, I would take ANYONE over Junaid Khan.

Abbas >> Junaid anyway.

Azhar Mahmood strongly denies this in his interview with PP.

Sohail Khan - no issue from my side

I have always treated all of the guys who I work with equally. I don't care where they are from, which team they play for or anything else. That's the way I am and that's the way I have always played my cricket. Sohail knows that I have worked hard with him at every opportunity and I am the one who at a press conference said that Sohail is working very hard and has lost 7 Kgs when others were questioning his levels of fitness and criticising his second and third spells.

I believe Sohail Khan can bowl well and there are no doubts about that. There were some comments and rumours that Sohail was not picked for Pakistan due to myself, however I did not say to anyone not to pick Sohail due to personal differences and also I am not a selector.

I have no problem at all with Sohail, he is like a younger brother to me but there are always differences in thoughts and things happen even in families, but for me Pakistan comes first and everything else is secondary.

I've worked hard with Sohail, I have been honest with him and Inzamam and Mickey Arthur have clarified in the media recently why Sohail was not picked. I'm the bowling coach, not a selector, but perhaps I do need to have a say in the selection of the bowlers, especially if I am responsible for the performance of the bowlers.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...future-of-Pakistan-cricket-quot-Azhar-Mahmood

 

[Mamoon]

Azhar Mahmood strongly denies this in his interview with PP.



http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...future-of-Pakistan-cricket-quot-Azhar-Mahmood

Azhar's denial tells us nothing. He or Mickey will obviously not claim that they have a thing against Sohail Khan. However, it is pretty evident that he has been given the short end of the stick. His performance has been better than the opportunities he has had so far.

 

[Hawkeye]

Azhar Mahmood strongly denies this in his interview with PP.

You're obviously not as naive as this post - so I expect better from you.

Please give a read to Mamoon's comment above.

 

[Markhor]

Azhar's denial tells us nothing. He or Mickey will obviously not claim that they have a thing against Sohail Khan. However, it is pretty evident that he has been given the short end of the stick. His performance has been better than the opportunities he has had so far.

You're obviously not as naive as this post - so I expect better from you.

Please give a read to Mamoon's comment above.

Didn't know we had a couple of Zaid Hamids on here.

Think about how childish that sounds. Two professional coaches in Mickey Arthur and Azhar Mahmood dropped Sohail Khan because "they hate him".

Do you know what's gone on behind closed doors ? Have you seen what they've seen ? I like Sohail and thought he was the difference maker in England last summer but we all saw his limitations in NZ and Australia.

He is north of 30, lacks pace, noticeably struggles in second and third spells, struggles to play back to back matches due to fitness and injury issues. So to suggest he's dropped for non-cricketing reasons, of which neither have you have a shred of evidence to support, is frankly stupid.

That being said, I'd still take a huffing and puffing Sohail over Junaid Khan whose still living off the Aane Do series.

 

[Mamoon]

Didn't know we had a couple of Zaid Hamids on here.

Think about how childish that sounds. Two professional coaches in Mickey Arthur and Azhar Mahmood dropped Sohail Khan because "they hate him".

Do you know what's gone on behind closed doors ? Have you seen what they've seen ? I like Sohail and thought he was the difference maker in England last summer but we all saw his limitations in NZ and Australia.

He is north of 30, lacks pace, noticeably struggles in second and third spells, struggles to play back to back matches due to fitness and injury issues. So to suggest he's dropped for non-cricketing reasons, of which neither have you have a shred of evidence to support, is frankly stupid.

That being said, I'd still take a huffing and puffing Sohail over Junaid Khan whose still living off the Aane Do series.

Please don't put Hawkeye's words in my mouth. I did not say that Azhar/Mickey 'hate' him. However, the possibility of him getting banished from all formats due to non-cricketing reasons cannot be ruled out completely, just because Azhar said so otherwise. Also, there was a rumored spat between him and Azhar which may/may not have any legs. Sohail obviously has fitness issues, but in spite of those problems, he has largely outperformed most pacers in spite of getting less opportunities to shine. As far him getting exposed in Australia and NZ, which bowler wasn't? From Amir to Yasir, every single bowler was a flat tyre.

Again, his exclusion could purely be down to cricketing/fitness reasons, but my point is that Azhar's words in this context don't have any significance. It won't be the first or the last time that a player in Pakistan has been ignored due to non-cricketing reasons. Hopefully, that is not the case here.

 

[Slog]

Azhar Mahmood strongly denies this in his interview with PP.




http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...future-of-Pakistan-cricket-quot-Azhar-Mahmood

It's not even an issue for me and I haven't even given any opinion but seriously how naive could you be?

Do you think he would accept the charge if it was true lol? Does this denial have any worth?