Mohammad Amir, Hasan Ali and Junaid Khan vs Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Mohammad Shami and Jasprit Bumrah

[ataullah]

Title says it all. Who do u think is better? I would like honest opinions and proof to prove who is better. Please answer the following:

1) Which attack is currently better?
2) Which attack has most potential?
3) If defending 200 which attack would you put your money on?
4) Which bowler is best amongst both attacks?

Eagerly awaiting your opinions

 

[coy0607]

1) Pakistan
2) Pakistan
3) Pakistan
4) Hassan Ali

 

[Alam_dar]

1) Equal
2) Equal
3) Equal
4) Hassan and Bhuvi

 

[ExpressPacer]

An unfit Mohammad Amir trumps all of them. Currently, Juanid Khan is better than Bumrah but the kid has a lot of potential. Shami doesn't even hold the credibility to be compared to Hasan Ali, I'm sorry. Bhuvi is good but needs to pick up more wickets instead of just containing. This 2017. Wickets win you games, not a good economy rate.

To answer your questions:

1) Pakistan.
2) India because from the little I've seen of Bumrah, I really like him AND Indian bowlers are provided with a better structure to succeed.
3) Pakistan. Even if Pakistan had an inferior attack, I would still put my money on Pakistan because they've done it time and again.
4) Mohammad Amir.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

1) Pakistan
2) Pakistan
3) Pakistan
4) Mohammad Amir

 

[New Yorker]

An unfit Mohammad Amir trumps all of them. Currently, Juanid Khan is better than Bumrah but the kid has a lot of potential. Shami doesn't even hold the credibility to be compared to Hasan Ali, I'm sorry. Bhuvi is good but needs to pick up more wickets instead of just containing. This 2017. Wickets win you games, not a good economy rate.

To answer your questions:

1) Pakistan.
2) India because from the little I've seen of Bumrah, I really like him AND Indian bowlers are provided with a better structure to succeed.
3) Pakistan. Even if Pakistan had an inferior attack, I would still put my money on Pakistan because they've done it time and again.
4) Mohammad Amir.

1) Pakistan
2) Pakistan (Rumman and Fahem were instant successes, and in domestics there are still options like Sadaf.)
3. Pakistan No one else comes close.
4) Amir had one stupendously good game. Hasan is still the more consistently impactful bowler.

 

[Usman Chadda]

This thread just won't have the same feel after a lot of Indian posters haven't trolled here since the CT. Really sad.

This Pakistan bowling attack at its best is one of the most entertaining attacks to watch.

 

[Mamoon]

Junaid is definitely the weakest bowler of the lot, Hasan and Amir are the two best bowlers. However, the Indian spin attack on potential is superior.

Whilst it is normal for folks to overrate and underrate the respective Pakistani and Indian attacks based on four games, we should make sure that we don't lose grip of reality.

As far as potential is concerned, I would go with Pakistan by a nose because Amir and Hasan have better potential than their Indian counterparts.

When it comes to defending subpar totals, I would prefer to look beyond the Champions Trophy because it was a bit of an aberration - everything clicked for us and nothing clicked for our opponents. As a result, I would go for India on a turning pitch, Pakistan on a green pitch and neither on a flat pitch.

The best bowler overall is Hasan without any doubt.

 

[Fantasy]

Without looking at the statistics and the numbers and purely going by my watching experience of both sides,I have to say that currently Pakistan is a much better bowling side.

Lets break it down.

I think with the new ball Indian counterparts are miles ahead than Pakiatani counterparts.Bhuvi and Umesh can use the new ball effectively and so can Shami.But from Pakistan only Amir has the ability who can make the new ball talk.We saw that in the finals.But looking at quite a few games and I am talking from the series against WI,he isn't at his best.He doesn't have the same seam position(as it wobbles a bit now)that he used to have,even as recent as the Asia Cup.But I think he is going to get even better if CT final is anything to go by.We have seen Hasan bowl brilliantly with the new ball in PSL but he is yet to show that in the international arena.

Coming into the CT Pakistani bowling had the worst average and strike rate IIRC in the middle overs(11-40) from 2015,but the way they changed that around was phenominal.Possibly the only team in CT to get those many wickets in middle overs and we know that was with the introduction of Hasan.This is an area where India needs massive improvement.They bowl their spinners and they bowl to contain rather than taking wickets.On the other hand Pakistan have been terrific of late in this regard.

Back end of the innings,I think they are almost similar.Bhuvi is a really good death bowler.Bhumrah is also a very good death bowler,even though of late he hasn't done exceptionally well.From Pakistan I think they have got great ability to use the reverse swing to great effect.Hasan and Junaid can reverse the ball brilliantly and hence,can bowl consistent yorkers.Amir can do exact the same.A massive upgrade in this regard is Rumman Raees.People who have seen him bowl in PSL and other matches are going to tell you the same thing.He is a fantastic death bowler.He can bowl consistently in one areaarea and has a variety of slower bowlers.

As far as potential is concerned I think it has to be Pakistan.The ability of the bowlers like Hasan and Amir is awesome and certainly better than Bhuvi and Umesh/Bumrah.

If I have to defend a total of less than 200,I will put my money on Pakistan without a shadow of a doubt and I don't think I'll have to say much as we have seen Pakistan bowling doing that for so many years.

As far as potential is concerned Amir is the best bowler and as far as performance so far is concerned I think Hasan is the best.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

1) Which attack is currently better? A fit Pakistan is a tremendous pace attack.

2) Which attack has most potential? Pakistani attack when fit.

3) If defending 200 which attack would you put your money on? Pakistan with the GOAT Hasan Ali

4) Which bowler is best amongst both attacks? Amir > Hasan > Junaid > Bumrah > Shami > BK

 

[Bilal7]

How is this even a serious contest? The Pakistani pacers are far superior to their Indian counterparts.

 

[Haz95]

Pakistan curbstomps in the first 3 departments and if I'm going by potential I'd say Amir but in terms of effectiveness Hasan Ali for the 4th. Having said that, a full strength Indian attack is at par with Pakistan when theres scoreboard pressure.

I'd say Amir>Hasan>Shami>Junaid>Bumrah>BK...Junaid and the mentioned Indian bowlers are all interchangeable depending on how I feel lol while Amir and Hasan are on a different league to them.

 

[troodon]

Pakistan curbstomps in the first 3 departments and if I'm going by potential I'd say Amir but in terms of effectiveness Hasan Ali for the 4th. Having said that, a full strength Indian attack is at par with Pakistan when theres scoreboard pressure.

I'd say Amir>Hasan>Shami>Junaid>Bumrah>BK...Junaid and the mentioned Indian bowlers are all interchangeable depending on how I feel lol while Amir and Hasan are on a different league to them.

Total homeristic post.


Amir > BK > Hasan Ali > Bumrah >Yadav >Shami >Junaid

Hasan Ali is still new. You have to wait for 1 more year before you can start rating him as the best.

Saying Junaid Khan > BK/Yadav/Bumrah is hilarious.

 

[Haz95]

Total homeristic post.


Amir > BK > Hasan Ali > Bumrah >Yadav >Shami >Junaid

Hasan Ali is still new. You have to wait for 1 more year before you can start rating him as the best.

Saying Junaid Khan > BK/Yadav/Bumrah is hilarious.

BK is like another Wahab Riaz who may look good while he does so but seldom actually picks up wickets. Nevertheless, one cannot dispute his rather good economy in matches where his team mates get sent to different corners of the stadium which is why I said they're all interchangeable. I will rate someone who bowls well on the grandest stage, of which all the Pakistani bowlers were superior in.

I can understand why you're irritated at Junaid who has a case once again since I said 'interchangeable' but Hasan ali (who I'm not even a big fan of, else I'd have rated him first) is miles better than any Indian pacer, FACT. He's done more in his career than any of the named Indian pacers have...in fact he has more 5fers than any of the Indian pacers have combined together in just 21 games hahaha.

 

[Commander]

1) Pakistani attack is better at the moment
2) Since our attack is young, it definitely has the bigger potential
3) Anyone in the world would choose Pakistani bowlers to defend low totals
4) Hasan Ali without a doubt. He is currently in the top 3 best bowlers in the world.

 

[babajee]

Bump. What do people think now?

 

[giri26]

Bump. What do people think now?

In Tests, Pakistan bowling is unproven but in ODIs, Pakistan pacers have the edge. Mohammad Shami does not play ODIs and has not played consistently for some time now.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Bhuvi is wicketless wonder in one dayers much like Aamir.
Last 12 months
Amir 11 matches 12 wickets
Bhuvi 26 matches 29 wickets

Barely a wicket every match. If you factor in their 3fers in few matches they went wicketless in lot of matches. Amir 4 out of 11 matches went wicketless. Bhuvi 8 out of 26 matches went wicketless

 

[IndianFan2018]

1) Which attack is currently better? A fit Pakistan is a tremendous pace attack.

2) Which attack has most potential? Pakistani attack when fit.

3) If defending 200 which attack would you put your money on? Pakistan with the GOAT Hasan Ali

4) Which bowler is best amongst both attacks? Amir > Hasan > Junaid > Bumrah > Shami > BK

What an honest assessment

 

[spiderreddy]

Good thread

 

[Itachi]

Good bump.

 

[saeed5646]

Amir is still amongs the best
Hasan ali have declined massively

 

[Mainul]

Embarrassing thread. Any one of these 3 Pakistanis won't get chance in present Indian 11.

 

[spiderreddy]

Bumrah's bowling avgs
Tests - 22
ODIs - 22
T20Is - 20

What a champion

 

[Ram Shekhar]

My rankings for them -

Bumrah > Amir > Shami > Bhuvanesh > Junaid > Hasan Ali

 

[waleed88]

One thing I have noticed, extreme pace is not a common factor in any of these bowlers. All of them were successful when they were accurate

 

[big_gamer007]

Let's not compare Indian cricket with Pakistani cricket right now. There is absolutely no comparison. Pakistan is minnow compared to Indian cricket.

Indian batting minus Kohli and Rohit is comparable to Pakistani batting, both are minnow like.

Dhoni Vs Shoaib Malik is an apt comparison right now, atleast Shoaib Malik gets out first ball . Dhoni wastes thousand of deliveries and plays for opposition these days.

I think Pakistani fans try to make their team stay relevant by comparing to Indian team. No point of comparisons anymore. Pakistan fans need to accept where they are and start comparing themselves with Afghanistan, SL or WI.

 

[spiderreddy]

My rankings for them -

Bumrah > Amir > Shami > Bhuvanesh > Junaid > Hasan Ali

Shami has better stats than Amir in tests and ODIs

 

[big_gamer007]

My rankings for them -

Bumrah > Amir > Shami > Bhuvanesh > Junaid > Hasan Ali

Amir is only good in big 1% of the matches and is too dependant on conditions ..

Bumrah > Shami > Abbas > BK > Ishant > Amir > Hasan > Junaid.

The above I included tests also.

 

[ravisurya]

Lol at people who had already anointed Hassan Ali as GOAT.

 

[dildilpak]

I may be going against the tide here, but I am disappointed with Aamir’s bowling with the new ball. He has created chances but not enough to take wickets, has been rather content with his low economy rate - i would have been happier if he had gone for more runs, but enticed the batsmen more to hit him & give wickets. The opening patnership against them is what is dooming Pak right now.

 

[Hasan123]

Indian attack is well ahead.

 

[PakLFC]

Overall Pak bowling is better. Individually Bumrah is the best of the pack.

 

[Sin Nombre]

Bumrah >> Shami > Amir = Bhuvi >> Junaid >> Hasan

 

[jnaveen1980]

Overall Pak bowling is better. Individually Bumrah is the best of the pack.

Without a doubt.

 

[Hyperion66]

Bumrah>Shami>Bhuvi>Amir>Junaid>Hasan

 

[rhony]

Junaid is not good enough to be in Pak team that's average at best barring Amir. Hasan is done and doesn't deserve a spot over Shaheen. Bumrah>>>Amir=Shami> BK>>>>>Junaid=Hasan

 

[Hyperion66]

Overall Pak bowling is better.

If you are trolling that's fine, if you actually believe that then I will be worried about your health.

 

[Chokli]

Lol there is no comparison.

India by a mile

 

[Revolution]

This is beyond comparison. Look at our bowling bench!!.

Bhuvi gets injured and Shami comes up and does his part neatly.

 

[saeed5646]

Bumrah>Shami>Bhuvi>Amir>Junaid>Hasan

Asking other about health what about yourself? In which universe that kumar guy is better than amir

 

[PakLFC]

If you are trolling that's fine, if you actually believe that then I will be worried about your health.

Thanks for the concern about my health but Pak bowling overall is indeed better then India's. There is no doubt about this whatsoever.

 

[spiderreddy]

India is better at the moment. They have 2 world class Pacers in Bumrah and Shami

 

[Aaaaa]

India definitely.
Hasan and Amir are unreliable and inconsistent.

 

[Babbar]

Amir was not even in the Pakistan first 15 for this world cup. He was so pathetic in the last two years that sprayers like Hasnain, Wahab, Hasan and Shaheen were considered better than him by pakistan coach, captain and PPers.

Amir did pretty well in the last 5-6 matches. Good for him but 3 weeks do not prove he’s among the best. He just has peaked at the right time. His performance over next 6-12 months will show whether he deserves to be compared with Bumrah, Starc etc

 

[Captain caveman]

I am going to be absolutely honest!
Bumra does not impress me as an odi bowler! He doesn't seam or swing the ball. He is a pure length and line bowler, who has decent pace(86 -89mph) and has a decent yorker. He looks more of a test bowler to me!
Shami is a good bowler, would expect him to do well in both odis and tests, as far as i can see and bhuvi looks like a specialist odi bowler!

Amir was the most naturally gifted out of all these bowlers , but that was a long time ago and he is now coming to the end of his career.
Wahab , if he gets the ball reversing, is the best out of all the india and pak bowlers in odis, but without reverse swing, wahab is the worst out of the lot!
Shaheen is still learning but i expect him to eventually be better than bhuvi and in the same league as shami and bumra!
So right now in this wc -
Amir > shami > bumra >wahab >bhuvi =shaheen > hasan ali > pandya > shankar

I have left M. Hasnain out, as he hasn't played a game, but i expect him to be better than all of the above in 2 years time!

Also, like i said , when the ball is reversing, then wahab is the best of the lot!