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Mohammad Amir in 2009 was FAST but why has his pace dropped now?

iZeeshan said:
Just for clarification, Aamer's fastest delivery this match has been 151.7 kph or 94.3 mph.
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This doesn't seem to be as fast as 94.3 MP!!!

But this guy has got everything you need to become a great. And he

shouldn't go mad as Akhtar but stay cool and do what your good at doing

Taking Wicket and making you Country Proud!!!


KeepItUp AameR!!
 
He overstepped a few times, however I think he has specific instructions from Waqar to not hold back and bowl at the stumps and fast!
 
then how he was bowling full and wide the whole time?
 
1st ODI vs Australia

Hits a set Michael Clarke and Clarke is down for the count

Follows up with 147kph and then 148.8 kph

Love the fast bowler instinct

Targets his prey and then cranks up the pressure
 
He bowled well but he regularly bowls short of a length, just doesnt pitch the ball up as much as he should
 
Agree, really needs to pitch the ball up. He's still young but he's made this mistake time and time again. Its fair enough to bowl back of a length with an older ball, but with the swing he was getting he would have troubled Ponting [lbw and caught at slip early canditate] early on, who always like to lunge forward at anything full - a bit of swing would have trouble him.

He'd be a much better test bowler if he followed this too, what is Waqar teaching him?!
 
Sledger said:
Agree, really needs to pitch the ball up. He's still young but he's made this mistake time and time again. Its fair enough to bowl back of a length with an older ball, but with the swing he was getting he would have troubled Ponting [lbw and caught at slip early canditate] early on, who always like to lunge forward at anything full - a bit of swing would have trouble him.

He'd be a much better test bowler if he followed this too, what is Waqar teaching him?!
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totally agree, hes still young so hopefully he ll learn but hes gotta get the ball up there more

Ball after ball he was moving it but it was going well over the stumps
 
Zaz said:
totally agree, hes still young so hopefully he ll learn but hes gotta get the ball up there more

Ball after ball he was moving it but it was going well over the stumps
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If you watch videos of Shoaib when he was very young playing his first few games in Australia, every ball would hit the stumps. Thats what he tried to do, just knock the three sticks over from a full legth, swing or no swing.
There will usually be natural swing with the new ball so Aamer should just try and hit the stumps bowling it up, he NEEDS to do this sooner rather than later or his test average will keep balooning.

A good example is the [non-wicket taking] ball which swung back sharply to Watson. It came back a long way but was short so Watson read the swing and adjusted. Later on he bowled the same ball but a bit quicker, which beat him for pace and got him out - can't rely on that happening all the time though, especially once he gets on wickets which offer less carry.
 
Today was the first time in his career I've actually seen Aamer swing the ball back in continuously and that too at pace

Good signs these
 
*sallu* said:
Today was the first time in his career I've actually seen Aamer swing the ball back in continuously and that too at pace

Good signs these
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Doesn't mean he's learnt it though, this ground always swings under lights.
Even Rana was moving the ball as late as the 35th over.
 
Sledger said:
Doesn't mean he's learnt it though, this ground always swings under lights.
Even Rana was moving the ball as late as the 35th over.
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What an idiot.

Conditions assist swing at best. If you cant do it then you cant do it. Doesnt matter what conditions.
 
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*sallu* said:
Today was the first time in his career I've actually seen Aamer swing the ball back in continuously and that too at pace

Good signs these
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You havent enough of Aamer. He's been doing it since his debut.
 
Muddaser said:
You havent enough of Aamer. He's been doing it since his debut.
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Umm
Show me one video on youtube where hes swung the ball in properly
 
Muddaser said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ2f69uKXtc

He's always been able to do it, unfortunately there are times when he bowl too far wide of the crease when it doesnt come out right.
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I don't mean the one odd ball.

In that whole spell he got one ball to come back in after every 8-10 balls and it wasn't like he was doing it on purpose, it just wasn't moving in.

Today was the first time hes been able to consistently move it, not just one odd ball in his spell
 
*sallu* said:
I don't mean the one odd ball.

In that whole spell he got one ball to come back in after every 8-10 balls and it wasn't like he was doing it on purpose, it just wasn't moving in.

Today was the first time hes been able to consistently move it, not just one odd ball in his spell
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Sorry, I misread your post. I was just saying that Aamir has always been capable of swinging it in but there are times when he bowls too wide of the crease and tries to bowl too fast which doesnt allow it to swing.

It proves he is capable of bowling it irrespective of conditions.
 
If he is 17, he will reach 100mph. However I doubt he will reach that age.

Inshallah he will.
 
Amir is going to get faster as he gets older. Who knows he may beat Akhtar's fastest ball ever.
 
Zaz said:
He bowled well but he regularly bowls short of a length, just doesnt pitch the ball up as much as he should
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To pitch the ball up he needs to bend his back he has already had a stress fracture I think his trying not to put too much pressure on his young back. He will not take many wickets bowling short but for now he has carry on until his body becomes stronger.
 
An interesting point I've noted about Aamirs bowling is that he's a different kind of pace to what the real express bowlers are. This is a bit difficult to explain but he's more of a skiddy type fast man than a muscular guy who hurls the ball down. I think his pace must feel a lot like Fidel Edward's to face. What I mean is, the speed gun shows them as extremily quick but batsmen are rarely beaten for pace like they are with others - doesn't really thud into the gloves of Akmal either. When people 'bowl a heavy ball' it means exactly that, every thing feels quick and lethal but Aamer seems to bowl a light ball which just zips through. I think batsman probably would find MJ's pace (about 5ks slower than Aamer) harder to negotiate because it really flies through. Even when Akhtar and Lee were young they always thudded the ball through and there were ooohs and aahs in the crowd - Aamer doesn't look fast but the speed gun says he's rapid.

I think the best way to describe it is he's quick off the air but not so quick off the pitch. The Akhtars and Lees were extremily quick even after hitting the deck, as they were more 'bang it in' bowlers. Not sure if anyone agrees, maybe Aamer will become more of a heavy ball bowler when he fills out but just an observation.
 
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Excellent bowling by Ameer. How many bat and pads dropped close to the pitch? I counted at least three from Ponting and Clark.

If Oz bowler was bowling like this, Ponting would have put two close catchers and caused a collaps. At least one short leg would have been nice. An opportunity missed by MoYo,
 
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Sledger said:
An interesting point I've noted about Aamirs bowling is that he's a different kind of pace to what the real express bowlers are. This is a bit difficult to explain but he's more of a skiddy type fast man than a muscular guy who hurls the ball down. I think his pace must feel a lot like Fidel Edward's to face. What I mean is, the speed gun shows them as extremily quick but batsmen are rarely beaten for pace like they are with others - doesn't really thud into the gloves of Akmal either. When people 'bowl a heavy ball' it means exactly that, every thing feels quick and lethal but Aamer seems to bowl a light ball which just zips through. I think batsman probably would find MJ's pace (about 5ks slower than Aamer) harder to negotiate because it really flies through. Even when Akhtar and Lee were young they always thudded the ball through and there were ooohs and aahs in the crowd - Aamer doesn't look fast but the speed gun says he's rapid.

I think the best way to describe it is he's quick off the air but not so quick off the pitch. The Akhtars and Lees were extremily quick even after hitting the deck, as they were more 'bang it in' bowlers. Not sure if anyone agrees, maybe Aamer will become more of a heavy ball bowler when he fills out but just an observation.
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Good analysis. He is skiddy but he can still trouble the batsman with bounce with the new ball - He seemed to trouble quite a few in England T20 world cup with it. His current line and lengths are very good in the Limited overs formats, but in Tests he needs to adjust and bowl that more fuller length with the occasional short ball.
 
Yes, the reason why his bouncer is good is because of that skiddiness, really hard to pick the length up early. He's done a lot of people with the bouncer actually - Smith, Ponting, Dilshan [Should have got Clarke with one today], really hurries the batsman - probably his best delivery. Another thing I noticed is he has an excellent track record against openers in the shorter forms of the game lol.
 
That opening spell yesterday was hugely impressive. Wickedly late swing. He had Ponting jumping around all over the place.

But I still think he bowls a bit too short overall.
 
An interesting point I've noted about Aamirs bowling is that he's a different kind of pace to what the real express bowlers are. This is a bit difficult to explain but he's more of a skiddy type fast man than a muscular guy who hurls the ball down. I think his pace must feel a lot like Fidel Edward's to face. What I mean is, the speed gun shows them as extremily quick but batsmen are rarely beaten for pace like they are with others - doesn't really thud into the gloves of Akmal either. When people 'bowl a heavy ball' it means exactly that, every thing feels quick and lethal but Aamer seems to bowl a light ball which just zips through. I think batsman probably would find MJ's pace (about 5ks slower than Aamer) harder to negotiate because it really flies through. Even when Akhtar and Lee were young they always thudded the ball through and there were ooohs and aahs in the crowd - Aamer doesn't look fast but the speed gun says he's rapid.

I think the best way to describe it is he's quick off the air but not so quick off the pitch. The Akhtars and Lees were extremily quick even after hitting the deck, as they were more 'bang it in' bowlers. Not sure if anyone agrees, maybe Aamer will become more of a heavy ball bowler when he fills out but just an observation.
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Good observations.

The fast whippy arm action of Aamer has a lot to do with it.

Wasim Akram who had an even quicker arm action, was similar in this respect. For the batsmen facing, he would have looked faster than he was. Akram also 'ran through the crease' which also made it harder to pick him up.

That spell yesterday by Aamer, is the nearest thing I have seen to an Akram like spell since the great fast bowler retired.
 
was very exciting to see him get the inswing going against Watson and Ponting...go get 'em Aamer!
 
This guy is absolute class from what I saw of the highlights today against Australia, he was troubling the batsman so much with his fast in swinging deliveries. he made Ponting look so lost lol. I think this guy is better than Ishant Sharma, now imagine if Amir had the same height as Ishant the bounce he could have created would have been dangerous. Well done for Pak finding another great fast bowler
 
152. something kmh from Aamer today. During the final overs I think it was.
 
i was very impressed with his bowling today, bowled with great pace and was very happy to see him touch 152.5 kph today that indeed is very impressive and mostly he bowled at 145+ speed which is very nice to see so thanks to waqar who is working on him....he has a great future ahead of him and he should concentrate only on his wicket
 
rubel_18 said:
I think this guy is better than Ishant Sharma, now imagine if Amir had the same height as Ishant the bounce he could have created would have been dangerous.
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:)))

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but he hardly got any inswing going today?
 
Sledger said:
:)))

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but he hardly got any inswing going today?
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He was ordinary at start.. but he was good at the end...
As for inswing... no not really
Better than Ishant .. Hell yeah
 
Didn't think I needed to spell it out Isaac, Ishant has no pace, venom and doesn't move the ball often.
 
He's got to be 135 -140 But i won't be surprised if he can increase his speed back to 145+ if he maintains fitness
 
It's not about being fast or slow. He doesn't make the batsman play anywhere near as much as a new ball bowler should. Speed without attacking the stumps is pointless.
 
Abid Z said:
It's not about being fast or slow. He doesn't make the batsman play anywhere near as much as a new ball bowler should. Speed without attacking the stumps is pointless.
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He made them play and miss quite a lot his last two new ball spells. I reckon he's still bowling a couple of feet short to catch the edge. That will come with confidence though.
 
Abid Z said:
It's not about being fast or slow. He doesn't make the batsman play anywhere near as much as a new ball bowler should. Speed without attacking the stumps is pointless.
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Did you watch his first spell? Because he was making them play most deliveries, specially Warner. The commentators took note of that too.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Did you watch his first spell? Because he was making them play most deliveries, specially Warner. The commentators took note of that too.
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Honestly I fell asleep by about 2am in Uk so I couldn't. But in the last 12 months or so I'm terribly frustrated watching him waste the new ball. I don't mind lack of speed and I don't mind no swing but to err in line and length or to bowl well outside off stump in the hope of inducing a false stroke from the likes of cook and root is just sheer folly. I'm also frustrated with captains that don't give a new ball bowler a third slip but that's another matter.

I'll look out for his bowling display today.
 
Transformation of 17 years old 152.5 kph Mohammad Aamer into 26 years old 135 kph Mohammad Aamer.


Pace lost forever or any hope in improved fitness, improved action / improved biomechanics ?
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Transformation of 17 years old 152.5 kph Mohammad Aamer into 26 years old 135 kph Mohammad Aamer.


Pace lost forever or any hope in improved fitness, improved action / improved biomechanics ?
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The only way you lose pace forever is through major back injuries. He hasn't had any.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Transformation of 17 years old 152.5 kph Mohammad Aamer into 26 years old 135 kph Mohammad Aamer.


Pace lost forever or any hope in improved fitness, improved action / improved biomechanics ?
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Really doubt he was 17 tbh. At 26 he is slowing down and needs rest like a bowler in his 30s
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Transformation of 17 years old 152.5 kph Mohammad Aamer into 26 years old 135 kph Mohammad Aamer.


Pace lost forever or any hope in improved fitness, improved action / improved biomechanics ?
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I think he's holding back his pace on purpose because he has absolutely no interest in playing Test cricket. About a year or so ago, he pondered retirement and as soon as word broke out, and the criticism came in, he realised the backlash and notoriety was not worth it, especially coming back after a spot-fixing ban.

It makes absolutely no sense as to how he is able to bowl close to the 150s in LOI's but his pace significantly drops when playing Tests. The only reason I can make out is that he does this on purpose. He makes enough money playing County, PSL, BPL and a bunch of other leagues and from advertisements considering he's a popular face in Pakistan. Playing Test cricket isn't really his priority and therefore he doesn't exert himself. He doesn't even mind being dropped.

If it were up to him, he'd have announced retirement by now. He's lost the passion, he's lost the jazba for Test match cricket, as have a lot of other bowlers in the past.
 
GBK_Fan said:
Really doubt he was 17 tbh. At 26 he is slowing down and needs rest like a bowler in his 30s
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I don't think he is older than 28/29. He is still able to bowl in the late 140s and even hit 150 KPH, as he did vs India in the CT and the Asia cup. I think it's more so a matter of him not being interested in playing a test cricket at all. He's only playing to save his face.

He hasn't had any back injuries, any shoulder injuries, he isn't 35, he isn't tired, he's had ample rest, the only thing that makes sense is that he's holding himself back considerably and is playing Test match cricket (and bilateral largely) like a 9-5 job. No passion whatsoever.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Transformation of 17 years old 152.5 kph Mohammad Aamer into 26 years old 135 kph Mohammad Aamer.


Pace lost forever or any hope in improved fitness, improved action / improved biomechanics ?
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He always bowls at this pace in Test cricket barring Australia where he even in 2017 was bowling at 145 Kph. I remember him bowling at 133-135 Kph in England in 2010.
 
This thread makes me hate Salman Butt more and more.

What a gem he could have been.
 
ExpressPacer said:
I don't think he is older than 28/29. He is still able to bowl in the late 140s and even hit 150 KPH, as he did vs India in the CT and the Asia cup. I think it's more so a matter of him not being interested in playing a test cricket at all. He's only playing to save his face.

He hasn't had any back injuries, any shoulder injuries, he isn't 35, he isn't tired, he's had ample rest, the only thing that makes sense is that he's holding himself back considerably and is playing Test match cricket (and bilateral largely) like a 9-5 job. No passion whatsoever.
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Then that’s extremely poor attitude and he probably needs to be dropped and earn his place back. The Pakistani fans and team have been extremely sympathetic to him. You expect him to be running in hard every ball
 
GBK_Fan said:
Then that’s extremely poor attitude and he probably needs to be dropped and earn his place back. The Pakistani fans and team have been extremely sympathetic to him. You expect him to be running in hard every ball
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I am just speculating here but this is the only theory that makes any sense to me. And he's just coming back into the team after a very long period of being dropped. So, I don't really know. I don't think he deserves being dropped permanently because he does have the ability. But if he doesn't want to give it all in Tests he should just retire himself.
 
ExpressPacer said:
I don't think he is older than 28/29. He is still able to bowl in the late 140s and even hit 150 KPH, as he did vs India in the CT and the Asia cup. I think it's more so a matter of him not being interested in playing a test cricket at all. He's only playing to save his face.

He hasn't had any back injuries, any shoulder injuries, he isn't 35, he isn't tired, he's had ample rest, the only thing that makes sense is that he's holding himself back considerably and is playing Test match cricket (and bilateral largely) like a 9-5 job. No passion whatsoever.
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141 kph was his fastest against India, while his average pace was 132kph.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...s-pakistan-3rd-match-super-four-asia-cup-2018

Even in Champions Trophy, Amir's fastest was 145kph. Pandaya's fastest was 146kph that match, Bhuvi bowled 143 kph.

So.. the kind of pace you are talking about doesn't really happen. Champion's Trophy final speed-gun was kinda dodgy, and even there he got out-paced by someone like Pandaya.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Transformation of 17 years old 152.5 kph Mohammad Aamer into 26 years old 135 kph Mohammad Aamer.


Pace lost forever or any hope in improved fitness, improved action / improved biomechanics ?
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Reminds me of Munaf Patel. They are quick when hungry to establish themselves, but as soon as they start taking their place for granted, the pace starts to drop. Ishant went through something similar.
 
BlackShadow said:
141 kph was his fastest against India, while his average pace was 132kph.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...s-pakistan-3rd-match-super-four-asia-cup-2018

Even in Champions Trophy, Amir's fastest was 145kph. Pandaya's fastest was 146kph that match, Bhuvi bowled 143 kph.

So.. the kind of pace you are talking about doesn't really happen. Champion's Trophy final speed-gun was kinda dodgy, and even there he got out-paced by someone like Pandaya.
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I was speaking of the Asia cup played in Bangladesh, I remember bowling him at 152. I totally forgot about the recent one.
 
ExpressPacer said:
I was speaking of the Asia cup played in Bangladesh, I remember bowling him at 152. I totally forgot about the recent one.
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Oh, ok. Didn't realize he bowled that quick there. But keep in mind that was T20, and it happened a while ago.
 
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BlackShadow said:
141 kph was his fastest against India, while his average pace was 132kph.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...s-pakistan-3rd-match-super-four-asia-cup-2018

Even in Champions Trophy, Amir's fastest was 145kph. Pandaya's fastest was 146kph that match, Bhuvi bowled 143 kph.

So.. the kind of pace you are talking about doesn't really happen. Champion's Trophy final speed-gun was kinda dodgy, and even there he got out-paced by someone like Pandaya.
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Hahahahahahahaha i have heard all dodgy speed gun and why bring it now is it that hard to forget about it?what was pandya average pace and amir in CT final?
 
saeed5646 said:
Hahahahahahahaha i have heard all dodgy speed gun and why bring it now is it that hard to forget about it?what was pandya average pace and amir in CT final?
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Read the post I quoted and get the context.

Amir has been bowling 132-136 kph average in recent ODIs too, and that was my point. So, his Test match pace doesn't come as surprise.

As for my CT reference, I don't trust those speeds because all Pandaya, Amir and Bhuvi have gone back to their trundling ways since then. Just an observation which you can feel free to disagree with.
 
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BlackShadow said:
Read the post I quoted and get the context.

Amir has been bowling 132-136 kph average in recent ODIs too, and that was my point. So, his Test match pace doesn't come as surprise.

As for my CT reference, I don't trust those speeds because all Pandaya, Amir and Bhuvi have gone back to their trundling ways since then. Just an observation which you can feel free to disagree with.
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I am not interested in recent asia cup i was talking about CT final where you claim pandya one delivery was faster than amir so i ask you a simple question what was amir and pandya average speed in that final?Amir have bowled in high 140s in nz last year he can crank it up unlike other
 
2009 was 10 years back . He is around 30 now according to some posters here & very clearly has poor stamina .
 
This thread makes me sad, what a sensation he was, had the whole cricketing world buzzing anytime he had a bowl in hand 9 years back. :(
 
Amir was always a 135-140 kph gifted swing bowler. He could fire a few quick ones in high 140s every now and then but that’s about it anyone calling him a speedster is delusional he was never one to begin with and that’s nothing to mourn either. Mohammad Sami and Shaunt Tait were speedsters and they both sucked.
 
The obsession you people have with this glorified medium pacer is astounding.
He is an okayish bowler at best who had a brief purple patch during the beginning of his career thanks to playing most of his Cricket on the pitches that suited his style of bowling.

Shaheen at this stage is much better prospect than Amir ever was even at his peak.
 
He has been consistently bowling at 140-145. Not sure what the issue is.
 
ExpressPacer said:
I think he's holding back his pace on purpose because he has absolutely no interest in playing Test cricket. About a year or so ago, he pondered retirement and as soon as word broke out, and the criticism came in, he realised the backlash and notoriety was not worth it, especially coming back after a spot-fixing ban.

It makes absolutely no sense as to how he is able to bowl close to the 150s in LOI's but his pace significantly drops when playing Tests. The only reason I can make out is that he does this on purpose. He makes enough money playing County, PSL, BPL and a bunch of other leagues and from advertisements considering he's a popular face in Pakistan. Playing Test cricket isn't really his priority and therefore he doesn't exert himself. He doesn't even mind being dropped.

If it were up to him, he'd have announced retirement by now. He's lost the passion, he's lost the jazba for Test match cricket, as have a lot of other bowlers in the past.
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Are you hearing his grunts ?

Speed guns tell you 131 - 136.


He went back to FC cricket to solve some issues namely :


1. Improve his physical fitness and match fitness thereby revive his fast medium pace


2. Fix his action and bowl closer to the stumps with improved follow through


3. Revive his late in swing


4. Revive his seam up delivery going with the angle towards slip


3 and 4 needed fixing his wrist & release.



I see zero improvement in each area. Even if he does well here, (I hope & pray that he does) he won't be bowling match turning spells in any format on wickets which support batsmen. Boult does that Amir doesn't.



In last three years He has impressed me in following matches


1. Couple of BPL matches

2. Asia Cup T20 match btw Pak & India at Dhaka

3. Pakistan warm up match vs Somerset

4. CT final



That's it.



Overall he has been Average in all formats.



The Amir I wanted to see showed up only in 1 match ie Pak vs India March 2016 T20 match at Dhaka and CT final (to a lower extent) that's it.




I have followed him closely and I do not buy that in LOI matches he bowls 140+ kph. Most of his seam up deliveries are in range of 135 to 140 kph. Very few above 140 kph and rare deliveries between 144 to 147 kph.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
He always bowls at this pace in Test cricket barring Australia where he even in 2017 was bowling at 145 Kph. I remember him bowling at 133-135 Kph in England in 2010.
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It was in few spells in 2010 when he was operating at 133 - 135 kph.


Furthermore conditions were the best for swing bowling and he had perfect release and seam position and was getting late swing. Hence operating at Anderson's speed was exactly what was required.


Australian speed guns are 3 - 5 kph faster than most other speed guns.
 
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