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Mohammad Amir is the true king and leader of Pakistan's bowling attack

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It's a time to rejoice for those who always had faith in Amir - and knew something about fast bowling.

And at the same time, time to have your humble pies, all those who wanted him not even picked for the cup.

I still recall statements like Hassan Ali / Shaheen are the leaders of this attack.

:salute

As I've always said regarding Amir: form is temporary, class is permanent.

On quality and skillset, there's absolutely nobody in the Pakistani team, or in the domestics, who is even close to Amir.
 
Haave to admit he has looked different compared to the last 2 years. I wonder if he made any technical changes in his action. I think his front arm and release is a lot straighter and he is no longer falling away to the right at the time of landing.
 
As long as he lays eggs in his first spell, his wickets at the death will not change our fortunes.

We don’t have him to convert a 350 target into a 320, we want him to strike with ten new all and reduce the opposition to 40/2, and that is why our pathetic captain opted to bowl first against Australia and today.

I don’t care if he is unlucky or whatever, he needs to take more wickets upfront if he is going to have any impact on the outcome of the game.

Nevertheless, he has been far better than his partners.
 
Haave to admit he has looked different compared to the last 2 years. I wonder if he made any technical changes in his action. I think his front arm and release is a lot straighter and he is no longer falling away to the right at the time of landing.

That probably had a lot to do with playing nonstop. Hes looked a different bowler since hes had that break. The confidence seems to be coming back too
 
As long as he lays eggs in his first spell, his wickets at the death will not change our fortunes.

We don’t have him to convert a 350 target into a 320, we want him to strike with ten new all and reduce the opposition to 40/2, and that is why our pathetic captain opted to bowl first against Australia and today.

I don’t care if he is unlucky or whatever, he needs to take more wickets upfront if he is going to have any impact on the outcome of the game.

Nevertheless, he has been far better than his partners.


It doesnt help that the oppo can play him out safely because they know the bowling on the other side is lousy There just isnt enough pressure from both sides so batters dont need to take any risks against him

Hed get wickets upfront no problem if he had some support to build pressure from both ends
 
I’ve been saying it for years, But haters gonna hate! Hilarious to think people wanted him dropped for the World Cup. Saying he was just as bad or worse than Hasan. Where y’all haters and Hasan lovers at now?
 
He's a big occasion player, he should be rested from useless bilaterals and only played during important tournaments and overseas tests.
 
He is may not be useful in deserts but surely a good bowler in conditions good for fast bowling. Here currently he is head and shoulders above the rest of Pakistani bowler.
 
He has bowled well but the fact is he needed to take a few scalps early on to be more effective. Unfortunately our cowardly captain always prefers negative cricket.
 
As long as he lays eggs in his first spell, his wickets at the death will not change our fortunes.

We don’t have him to convert a 350 target into a 320, we want him to strike with ten new all and reduce the opposition to 40/2, and that is why our pathetic captain opted to bowl first against Australia and today.

I don’t care if he is unlucky or whatever, he needs to take more wickets upfront if he is going to have any impact on the outcome of the game.

Nevertheless, he has been far better than his partners.

What can he do when a guy on the other end is leaking runs like crazy.
 
Picking up late wickets when the slog is on is all good but he's mainly in the team to pick up wickets with the new ball. When he's bowling slower deliveries and cutters in his first over its worrying. I didn't see one ball swing back into the right hander
 
Not sure of how good his captaincy skills are but he would be an ideal captain.
 
Umpire was a bit harsh on him to warn him n a marginal error , he was also worried about not stepping on the the danger zone, that effected his bowling a bit. Under the circumstances, a great great effort from Amir.
 
As long as he lays eggs in his first spell, his wickets at the death will not change our fortunes.

We don’t have him to convert a 350 target into a 320, we want him to strike with ten new all and reduce the opposition to 40/2, and that is why our pathetic captain opted to bowl first against Australia and today.

I don’t care if he is unlucky or whatever, he needs to take more wickets upfront if he is going to have any impact on the outcome of the game.

Nevertheless, he has been far better than his partners.
You never talk about a good bowler.....you talk about bowling partnerships where pressure is applied from both ends and he doesn't have that in any of his fellow bowlers. It is sustained pressure that gets wickets.
 
We can blame others as much as we want, but Amir rarely looks like taking wickets himself when it comes
 
It doesnt help that the oppo can play him out safely because they know the bowling on the other side is lousy There just isnt enough pressure from both sides so batters dont need to take any risks against him

Hed get wickets upfront no problem if he had some support to build pressure from both ends

What can he do when a guy on the other end is leaking runs like crazy.

You never talk about a good bowler.....you talk about bowling partnerships where pressure is applied from both ends and he doesn't have that in any of his fellow bowlers. It is sustained pressure that gets wickets.

We can talk about luck and other bowlers as much as we want, but Amir rarely looks like taking wickets himself when he bowls with the new ball.

You can get unlucky once or twice, but when it is a recurring pattern, you have a genuine problem.

Amir cannot hide behind luck and the incompetence of his partners forever. He needs to take ownership of his inability to strike with the new ball.

It has been a problem for 2 years now, and it is no one’s fault but his.
 
He is a very good bowler but both against Australia and India, his wickets came when the batsmen were trying to slog. Not saying it's easy to take wickets then, but it's also a fact that he didn't take any wickets with his simple angle bowling when batsman were getting set in his first spell.
 
We can talk about luck and other bowlers as much as we want, but Amir rarely looks like taking wickets himself when he bowls with the new ball.

You can get unlucky once or twice, but when it is a recurring pattern, you have a genuine problem.

Amir cannot hide behind luck and the incompetence of his partners forever. He needs to take ownership of his inability to strike with the new ball.

It has been a problem for 2 years now, and it is no one’s fault but his.

I partially agree with you on this but you have to admit the Indian openers went totally defensive against him. Had they played normally he wouldn't have been able to bowl 4 overs for 9 on this pitch. And Hasan and Wahab helped their cause with their rubbish.
 
Amir and even mamoon has to give credit plays well above his normal form in bigger matches.
 
We can blame others as much as we want, but Amir rarely looks like taking wickets himself when it comes

Sure, the way Australia and IND avoided putting ANY bat on ball when he was attacking. You can't get many wickets.

And runs leaking from the other end.

Aus has Cummins and Starc bowling. Nobody can score off both of them.

Same for other teams, good bowling pairs.
 
He's a big occasion player, he should be rested from useless bilaterals and only played during important tournaments and overseas tests.

This

I always get the sense he mentally checks out for bilaterals
 
I partially agree with you on this but you have to admit the Indian openers went totally defensive against him. Had they played normally he wouldn't have been able to bowl 4 overs for 9 on this pitch. And Hasan and Wahab helped their cause with their rubbish.

Amir’s reputation is still high, so it is normal for teams to play him out. He needs to find a way to strike when their are platform cautiously.

Most of his wickets in the last two matches have been on nothing deliveries, with the batsmen going for slogs.
 
Only gets the wickets when the batsmen are slogging against him.

Why would the opposition care as long as they keep posting 330+ totals?
 
Sure, the way Australia and IND avoided putting ANY bat on ball when he was attacking. You can't get many wickets.

And runs leaking from the other end.

Aus has Cummins and Starc bowling. Nobody can score off both of them.

Same for other teams, good bowling pairs.

If he cannot take wickets with the new ball because the batsmen are not taking risks, then it is his shortcoming.
 
Hes getting back to his best and at his best, hes one of the top bowlers in the world, certainly a class apart from his bowling partners. Specially that overhyped joker Hasan Ali.

The pace isnt there yet and he isnt moving the new ball but hopefully thatll come as he gains more confidence.
 
People can celebrate his wicket tally as much as they want, but as long as he is not taking wickets with the new ball, Pakistan will InshAllah remain a 6th ranked team.

Sorry for interrupting your celebrations and fireworks. Carry on.
 
People can celebrate his wicket tally as much as they want, but as long as he is not taking wickets with the new ball, Pakistan will InshAllah remain a 6th ranked team.

Sorry for interrupting your celebrations and fireworks. Carry on.

No one is saying hes world class again..People are celebrating the fact that he seems to be coming back to his best.
When the comparison is with the likes of Hasan Ali, yah he does look like a giant amongst midgets.
 
Amir has been a prodigy and English seaming conditions will bring the best out of him. He is absolutely loving bowling in thid world cup.

However, allow me to say, that he is not a leader of the pack yet. He has shown how to bowl most effectively but has not been able to lead other pacers to perform like him.

For me Cummins, Amir and Rabada have lit up the CWC with their sensational bowling.
 
Class bowler Ia he carries on taking wkts and proving his detractors wrong Well bowled amir once again!
 
Only gets the wickets when the batsmen are slogging against him.

Why would the opposition care as long as they keep posting 330+ totals?

Good batsmen dont just give it away. You have to consistently bowl well and build pressure from both ends.

Openers are playing out Amir at 3 an over in the beginning and getting 8+ and over from the other end. No pressure being built from the other end at all.

Any posters blaming Amir for lack of wickets up front, show their lack of knowledge of bowling.

Go listen to Wasim and Waqar talk about building pressure from both ends and how it leads to wickets.
 
No one is saying hes world class again..People are celebrating the fact that he seems to be coming back to his best.
When the comparison is with the likes of Hasan Ali, yah he does look like a giant amongst midgets.

It is good to see him back among the wickets, but his lack of wickets upfront needs to be highlighted more.
 
People can celebrate his wicket tally as much as they want, but as long as he is not taking wickets with the new ball, Pakistan will InshAllah remain a 6th ranked team.

Sorry for interrupting your celebrations and fireworks. Carry on.
:facepalm::facepalm:saying InshAllah on that?
 
Always knew it, he is a champion bowler!!!

And some people wanted him to be dropped and Hasan to lead our attack.
 
English track bully. Cloud conditions. bit of juice. Also he is able to maintain an uncomfortable channel. Same lengths don't work in other parts of the world.
 
Amir’s reputation is still high, so it is normal for teams to play him out. He needs to find a way to strike when their are platform cautiously.

Most of his wickets in the last two matches have been on nothing deliveries, with the batsmen going for slogs.

Agree but again it isn't easy when bowling to top talent on these featherbeds. None of the top bowlers like Rabada, Boult and Starc have been very effective with the new ball in this WC. We saw how easily the SL openers negotiated Cummins and Starc yesterday while mainting a healthy run rate. But yes Amir does need to strike with the new ball if we are to have any hope of winning against top teams as our middle overs bowling is absolutely useless.
 
Good batsmen dont just give it away. You have to consistently bowl well and build pressure from both ends.

Openers are playing out Amir at 3 an over in the beginning and getting 8+ and over from the other end. No pressure being built from the other end at all.

Any posters blaming Amir for lack of wickets up front, show their lack of knowledge of bowling.

Go listen to Wasim and Waqar talk about building pressure from both ends and how it leads to wickets.
Always sustained pressure gets results
 
Sure, the way Australia and IND avoided putting ANY bat on ball when he was attacking. You can't get many wickets.

And runs leaking from the other end.

Aus has Cummins and Starc bowling. Nobody can score off both of them.

Same for other teams, good bowling pairs.

It would be stupid to try to put bat to bowl when all the main bowler is doing is to bowl diagonal to the batsmen, hoping them to take bait and try driving deliveries way outside off stump. But if that to you is Amir's big skillset, then it's fine.
 
Amir has been pretty one-dimensional with the new ball. Not saying that the wickets at the end don't count, but a lot of the gloss is taken off if the opposition is scoring more than 300.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Amir at the World Cup:<br>13 wickets at an average of 13.07<br><br>The rest of the Pakistani bowlers:<br>14 wickets at an average of 64.07<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvPAK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1140279809634918402?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Most wickets at this World Cup:<br><br>Mohammad Amir 13<br>Mitchell Starc 13<br>Pat Cummins 11<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1140275990918291463?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Amir has been pretty one-dimensional with the new ball. Not saying that the wickets at the end don't count, but a lot of the gloss is taken off if the opposition is scoring more than 300.

Agree. He's getting wickets, but hasn't taken any wickets with the new ball which has allowed teams to get off to a flyer in most games. Not enough balls threatening the stumps, and usually too wide to bring the slips into play. He's been decent without winning games.
 
Agree. He's getting wickets, but hasn't taken any wickets with the new ball which has allowed teams to get off to a flyer in most games. Not enough balls threatening the stumps, and usually too wide to bring the slips into play. He's been decent without winning games.

You are being unfair tbh
Vs WI there was very little he could do
Vs Aus bowled reasonably was pulled out after 4 economical overs
Vs Eng had root dropped by Babar
Vs India again bowled tight and the Indians decided to play him out without any risks

So he has been pretty effective especially considering the lack of support at the other end and how the new ball has been ineffective in general in this tournament
 
To be honest he hasn't been supported by the other bowlers. He held his end of the bargain
 
One thing to note for people who complain that Amir doesnt get any early break through


It is very easy for those batsmen to see Amir off just leave his òutside off deliveries and block his delivery on to the stumps, play maiden overs how many u want as they continue to feast on hasan ali , shaheen and wahab from the other end...
 
For the same reason Bumrah did not pick early wickets today.

Teams play out Amir's opening overs very cautiously

He has no support on the other end. Bumbra has Buvy, Starc has Cummins, NZL has three good front line bowler, What Amir got on the other end , pathetic Hasan Ali ?
 
For the same reason Bumrah did not pick early wickets today.

Teams play out Amir's opening overs very cautiously

He has no support on the other end. Bumbra has Buvy, Starc has Cummins, NZL has three good front line bowler, What Amir got on the other end , pathetic Hasan Ali ?


Reason is Bumrah is not a new ball bowler. He is best with older ball. Shami and Ishant are better new ball bowlers. Even in Tests Bumrah doesn't open.
 
LOL at some people. You see how teams play vs Amir? They take 0 risk. It becomes double so difficult when the bowler from the other end goes for like 8 plus an over.

Amir was and is a CHAMP.
 
Amir has been different class these last couple of games
 
As long as he lays eggs in his first spell, his wickets at the death will not change our fortunes.

We don’t have him to convert a 350 target into a 320, we want him to strike with ten new all and reduce the opposition to 40/2, and that is why our pathetic captain opted to bowl first against Australia and today.

I don’t care if he is unlucky or whatever, he needs to take more wickets upfront if he is going to have any impact on the outcome of the game.

Nevertheless, he has been far better than his partners.

Every team just plays him off, one bowler is not enough even for ENG and IND. they have 3/4 wicket takers. No team can just play with one bowler. Pakistan sees off Bhumra too in first spell...

You need to attack with 4 bowlers, when Pakistan was a force in 90s, we use to attack with 2/3 seamers and then 2 wicket taking spinner. We never rely on just Akram to win us matches...

Just focusing on Amir is poor focus on Pakistani fans and management. You need to strengthen other bowlers. Same is true for Babar, you need 3/4 batters...

We only have two world class player in last 2/4 years, Babar and Aamir. Most of the media and fans are focus on them. Beating wrong bush. We cannot best top tier teams with just two players, nobody can, not India or England or Australia. Just going after your only talent is going to do you no good.

When we will have better players around them, they will shine too. Kohli has other to support him, Bhumra become world class when Shami and BK support him, not to mention KhulCha... Rabada looks different when Styen is on other end. On his own he cannot win much. Ponting was good thanks to 4/5 high quality batters around him...

Pakistan with just two stars will never be top tier team, you need more gas in the tank. Once again beating down those two, is not going to make them better, their has to be better supporting cast to make a better product.... Pakistan also has habit of playing those two in every format, running them down to ground. We don’t have the env where quality can be nurtured.
 
He has been great TBH. The reason also why he couldn't get wickets is new ball is because he's not getting the shape back in + other bowlers aren't supporting. When a team decides to play out Amir cautiously. He goes economical but the pressure is released from the other end. As soon as some one from other end also starts pushing pressure he'll pick up wickets with new ball as well
 
As long as he lays eggs in his first spell, his wickets at the death will not change our fortunes.

We don’t have him to convert a 350 target into a 320, we want him to strike with ten new all and reduce the opposition to 40/2, and that is why our pathetic captain opted to bowl first against Australia and today.

I don’t care if he is unlucky or whatever, he needs to take more wickets upfront if he is going to have any impact on the outcome of the game.

Nevertheless, he has been far better than his partners.
So far he has been far better than any other bowler in the tournament, bar Cummins.
 
LOL at some people. You see how teams play vs Amir? They take 0 risk. It becomes double so difficult when the bowler from the other end goes for like 8 plus an over.

Amir was and is a CHAMP.

Yes, why would any sensible bataman take risk against Amir opening spell, he even bawled a maiden over. Hasan on the other end was giving away free runs, 8-10 every overs.
 
King Amir, strikes with his first ball of the match!

Best bowler of the tournament so far.
 
He always was the king... even on his worst days, he was still going at very decent economy so should have always been included in the XI .... proving his worth in this tournament
 
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