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Mohammad Amir joins the Pakistan squad in Derby after clearing ECB-organized COVID tests [Post#147]

To all who keep bringing up this excuse about Amir playing in dead Asian pitches & all that, here are some stats:

Tests since 2011:

Junaid Khan
Matches: 22
Matches in Asia: 18
Wickets: 71
Avg: 31.73
5fers: 5

Mohammad Amir
Matches: 22
Matches in Asia: 4
Wickets: 68
Avg: 31.51
5fers: 1

Ladla as he's called played every overseas Test series and has done jack, too many bowlers who were deserving of a spot in the Test team were robbed because of this nonsense that Amir is a skillful bowler who is must overseas.
 
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”I made a big mistake by playing all three formats after making a comeback in the national side. I would like to advise future cricketers to not make the same mistake,” says
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Remind me again how many test matches has Sohail Khan played in Asia? Or on flat wickets?

Comparing apples and oranges lol.

Amir has played 7 total tests in Asia, 4 since his comeback. Sohail Khan has played 3.

Im not comparing apples to oranges. I'm comparing a mediocre bowler with another mediocre bowler.

It's pretty clear from the response to Amir's recent interview thread that we have a chronic Amir hater problem here just because some Pakistanis think they know more about Amir's body than even Amir himself :facepalm:

It's pretty clear from your profile picture that you're one of the Amir fanbois who will go to any lengths to defend your darling.
 
Amir to travel to England on Friday

Lahore, 23 July 2020:

Fast bowler Mohammad Amir and masseur Mohammad Imran will travel to England on Friday morning after their second Covid-19 tests returned negative, the Pakistan Cricket Board announced today.

As per the revised Covid-19 regulations, Imran is categorised as a low risk after having recovered from the virus and, as such, will be integrated with the national side after one negative test, whereas Amir will remain in self-isolation until he returns two negative tests.
 
To all who keep bringing up this excuse about Amir playing in dead Asian pitches & all that, here are some stats:

Tests since 2011:

Junaid Khan
Matches: 22
Matches in Asia: 18
Wickets: 71
Avg: 31.73
5fers: 5

Mohammad Amir
Matches: 22
Matches in Asia: 4
Wickets: 68
Avg: 31.51
5fers: 1

Ladla as he's called played every overseas Test series and has done jack, too many bowlers who were deserving of a spot in the Test team were robbed because of this nonsense that Amir is a skillful bowler who is must overseas.
UAE pitches were better for fast bowlers pre-2015. Especially Dubai had good pace in it. After that they all got slow and low.

Pretty sure Junaid also stay padded in BD and SL where Amir did not play.
 
If only Amir had waited a few months to retire. He would have been great on Pakistani pitches vs SL and BD especially his home ground in Pindi.
 
What's wrong with Wahab? He brings pace and experience. He takes wickets often even if he leaks runs.

Nowadays he only leaks runs, doesnt take wickets.... He is not bowling at the same pace he used to because he is freaking 35 yrs old officially..
 
UAE pitches were better for fast bowlers pre-2015. Especially Dubai had good pace in it. After that they all got slow and low.

Pretty sure Junaid also stay padded in BD and SL where Amir did not play.

the SL Junaid bowled against was very strong. Sangakkara, Jawardene, Samaraweera, Dilshan, Matthews. That batting lineup is in no way comparable to the SL of today.

Also he only played 2 tests vs Bangladesh.
 
the SL Junaid bowled against was very strong. Sangakkara, Jawardene, Samaraweera, Dilshan, Matthews. That batting lineup is in no way comparable to the SL of today.

Also he only played 2 tests vs Bangladesh.
[MENTION=137148]Rayyman[/MENTION] In fact Amir has played 3 tests in SL in 2009 and averages 43...
 
the SL Junaid bowled against was very strong. Sangakkara, Jawardene, Samaraweera, Dilshan, Matthews. That batting lineup is in no way comparable to the SL of today.

Also he only played 2 tests vs Bangladesh.
Definitely, but SL pitches are very helpful to new ball bowlers.
 
UAE pitches were better for fast bowlers pre-2015. Especially Dubai had good pace in it. After that they all got slow and low.

Pretty sure Junaid also stay padded in BD and SL where Amir did not play.

Yeah bro, the pitches waited for Amir's return and then slowed down all of a sudden
 
Yeah bro, the pitches waited for Amir's return and then slowed down all of a sudden

No, it was because of all of the cricket being played in the UAE post 2014.

Leagues like IPL, PSL, T10, Legends, etc. Plus all of the non international tournaments like U-19 and A-Team series.

The pitches there are worse now.
 
Pakistan a team which had bowlers like wasim, waqar, akhtar and asif and so many skillful bowlers have come down to a stage where they have to bring in or force in to play retired players like amir and wahab, how incompetent and how low can it fall, the Pak selecting and future planning has been so pathetic and disgusting especially when you see the current situation of Pak bowling, not much experience in that bowling of Abbas naseem,shaheen, only experience bowler Pak has is Yasir shah who deserves to play this series IMO but he is on his last legs and yet after Yasir shah there isnt a spinner ready to take his place

If Pak fast bowling fails , the blame should solely go on the selection and planning of Pak think tank, naseem and shaheen are so fresh and raw they cant be blamed if they fail this series, but if yasir shah fails then he should be dropped
 
Pakistan a team which had bowlers like wasim, waqar, akhtar and asif and so many skillful bowlers have come down to a stage where they have to bring in or force in to play retired players like amir and wahab, how incompetent and how low can it fall, the Pak selecting and future planning has been so pathetic and disgusting especially when you see the current situation of Pak bowling, not much experience in that bowling of Abbas naseem,shaheen, only experience bowler Pak has is Yasir shah who deserves to play this series IMO but he is on his last legs and yet after Yasir shah there isnt a spinner ready to take his place

If Pak fast bowling fails , the blame should solely go on the selection and planning of Pak think tank, naseem and shaheen are so fresh and raw they cant be blamed if they fail this series, but if yasir shah fails then he should be dropped

What a great post !
 
only experience bowler Pak has is Yasir shah who deserves to play this series IMO but he is on his last legs and yet after Yasir shah there isnt a spinner ready to take his place

I'd disagree, there are reserve spinners who are well journeyed on the first class circuit and can take Yasir's place immediately. Bhatti seems to be the front runner but we also have Zafar Gohar.
 
I'd disagree, there are reserve spinners who are well journeyed on the first class circuit and can take Yasir's place immediately. Bhatti seems to be the front runner but we also have Zafar Gohar.

well you seems to be confident, well yes the reserve spinners like bhatti and Zafar Gohar can surely succeed but what if they dont, if I remember correctly they were not given any chances in those three tests matches they played against SL & Ban, IMO those matches were better platform to play them like Abid Ali but Pak didnt do that and I wouldn't want to play them on this Eng pitches

My point isnt that Pak doent have good fast bowlers or spinners, its more to do with how cruel and unplanned the selection and planning of Pak bowlers is considering last decade 2000-2010 Pak had bowlers like wasim, waqar, akhtar and asif and so many others and now you see in this decade there isnt anyone like them
 
It's pretty clear from your profile picture that you're one of the Amir fanbois who will go to any lengths to defend your darling.

When you don't have an argument so you just judge the dp :))

Bro you've got nothing on Amir except blind hatred for some reason. Every single poster here KNOWS Amir will improve the quality of our attack.
Besides I know whose opinion I'd rather listen to if it comes down to PPers and Kohli/Smith.
 
When you don't have an argument so you just judge the dp :))

Bro you've got nothing on Amir except blind hatred for some reason. Every single poster here KNOWS Amir will improve the quality of our attack.
Besides I know whose opinion I'd rather listen to if it comes down to PPers and Kohli/Smith.

My argument is his test average which is 30.5. I need not say any more.

Smith and Kohli can say whatever they want, the stats don't lie. Amir is mediocre.
 
Definitely, but SL pitches are very helpful to new ball bowlers.

Since when? In one of the England vs Sri Lanka tests form 2018, 38 of the 40 wickets were taken by spinners. Sri Lanka has always been a spinners paradise. Your claim doesn't even make sense, Sri Lanka never had a good test fast bowler other than Chaminda Vaas, but they've had many fantastic spinners, namely Murali and Herath. Why would they make their pitches fast bowling friendly?
 
Mohammad Amir and Mohammad Imran depart for UK.

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Mohammad Amir could have been Pakistan’s greatest player of the decade. Our modern Wasim Akram: it’s a shame half of it he spent out of commission, with his body inactive, and the other half spent trying to first regain his mojo, find his swing again, followed by waging a war against his own body to serve the country.

Now, he leaves behind his newly born daughter Zoya, and his wife, to travel across the world during one of the most dangerous periods in history, risking his health amid an onslaught of criticism by fans and enemies alike.

I have an amazing amount of respect for this man. What could have been a 15 year career, he will have to settle for 8 now because of the likes of Salman Butt. But despite this sinking realization and despite the fury of unknowing fans and critics, he never fails to lose hope and crack a smile.

He is described as one of the funniest people in the Pakistan camp, and I am glad he is able to cultivate an atmosphere of cheer and support in the dressing room. It is something he should have had himself.

To the critics and to the fans, this isn’t about the schoolboy who took the world, or the man who had no reason to come back and serve his country. It’s about the relentless pursuit by a brilliant individual underneath, fighting for his country and for his dreams, even if his efforts are unthanked by the people who love him most.

Here’s to the Champions Trophy, to the 2019 World Cup, and to the grinning kid at Lord’s.
 
[MENTION=151892]Thunderbolt14[/MENTION]

POTW :salute

Good to finally see a post befitting the guy who's made us proud on the biggest of stages. Not once but twice. I think he deserves a smidge of respect.
 
Mohammad Amir could have been Pakistan’s greatest player of the decade. Our modern Wasim Akram: it’s a shame half of it he spent out of commission, with his body inactive, and the other half spent trying to first regain his mojo, find his swing again, followed by waging a war against his own body to serve the country.

Now, he leaves behind his newly born daughter Zoya, and his wife, to travel across the world during one of the most dangerous periods in history, risking his health amid an onslaught of criticism by fans and enemies alike.

I have an amazing amount of respect for this man. What could have been a 15 year career, he will have to settle for 8 now because of the likes of Salman Butt. But despite this sinking realization and despite the fury of unknowing fans and critics, he never fails to lose hope and crack a smile.

He is described as one of the funniest people in the Pakistan camp, and I am glad he is able to cultivate an atmosphere of cheer and support in the dressing room. It is something he should have had himself.

To the critics and to the fans, this isn’t about the schoolboy who took the world, or the man who had no reason to come back and serve his country. It’s about the relentless pursuit by a brilliant individual underneath, fighting for his country and for his dreams, even if his efforts are unthanked by the people who love him most.

Here’s to the Champions Trophy, to the 2019 World Cup, and to the grinning kid at Lord’s.

No, it was because of him.

If you are old enough to be tempted by the lure of money, you are old enough to understand the consequences if you get caught.

Amir was not a baby. He knew what he was getting into but he was prepared to take the risk.

I do not want to judge Amir - it is easy to act moral over the Internet, but when you are from a poor background and are offered a life changing amount for a few no-balls, it is quite difficult to resist the temptation.

However, if you are unable to resist the temptation, you should also accept the consequences in case you get caught.

Amir is fully responsible for what happened to him. It was not Butt’s or anyone else’s fault. I don’t blame Amir for what he did, but I am critical of his supporters who are convincing others (and themselves) that none of it was Amir’s fault.

As far as the notion that Amir had no reason to come back and serve his country, well the entitlement is laughable.

No one forced Amir to return to international cricket. He could have announced his retirement from international cricket and walked away.

PCB and Pakistani fans owe Amir nothing, but Amir owed them a lot when PCB acknowledged his desire to return or international cricket and facilitated his return.

Amir was lucky to get a second chance because other bowlers couldn’t nail down their place in the team and Pakistan was not doing well. Moreover, PCB could also have adopted a zero-tolerance policy for him like they did for Butt and Asif.

If life had taken a different turn, Amir would not have played for Pakistan after Lord’s 2010, and he has every reason to be grateful to PCB and the nation.

Anyway, Amir is no longer chastised for what he did 10 years ago. It is basically forgotten past now.

He has been criticized over the last few years because of his obvious lack of commitment outside ICC tournaments and his lack of desire to play Test cricket.

Someone in his position could have been absolutely desperate to play every match in every format to make up for lost time, and that is the desire that people expected Amir to show after returning to international cricket.

Unfortunately, there has been an air of entitlement about him and how we have to feel sorry for him because he lost 5 years and now his body cannot cope anymore. Well, there is no reason to feel sorry and secondly, Amir has had the last 5 years to toughen up and work on his body.

You have to ask if he has put in enough work since 2016 to make up for the time that he lost.

You are victimizing and lionizing Amir as a fallen hero who paid for other’s mistakes and is not getting the respect he deserves, but that is not the case at all.

He is neither a victim and nor a lion. He is a talented bowler who made a bad choice 10 years ago and paid a price for it, and who has not shown enough desire and commitment after getting a second chance 5 years ago.
 
No, it was because of him.

If you are old enough to be tempted by the lure of money, you are old enough to understand the consequences if you get caught.

Amir was not a baby. He knew what he was getting into but he was prepared to take the risk.

I do not want to judge Amir - it is easy to act moral over the Internet, but when you are from a poor background and are offered a life changing amount for a few no-balls, it is quite difficult to resist the temptation.

However, if you are unable to resist the temptation, you should also accept the consequences in case you get caught.

Amir is fully responsible for what happened to him. It was not Butt’s or anyone else’s fault. I don’t blame Amir for what he did, but I am critical of his supporters who are convincing others (and themselves) that none of it was Amir’s fault.

As far as the notion that Amir had no reason to come back and serve his country, well the entitlement is laughable.

No one forced Amir to return to international cricket. He could have announced his retirement from international cricket and walked away.

PCB and Pakistani fans owe Amir nothing, but Amir owed them a lot when PCB acknowledged his desire to return or international cricket and facilitated his return.

Amir was lucky to get a second chance because other bowlers couldn’t nail down their place in the team and Pakistan was not doing well. Moreover, PCB could also have adopted a zero-tolerance policy for him like they did for Butt and Asif.

If life had taken a different turn, Amir would not have played for Pakistan after Lord’s 2010, and he has every reason to be grateful to PCB and the nation.

Anyway, Amir is no longer chastised for what he did 10 years ago. It is basically forgotten past now.

He has been criticized over the last few years because of his obvious lack of commitment outside ICC tournaments and his lack of desire to play Test cricket.

Someone in his position could have been absolutely desperate to play every match in every format to make up for lost time, and that is the desire that people expected Amir to show after returning to international cricket.

Unfortunately, there has been an air of entitlement about him and how we have to feel sorry for him because he lost 5 years and now his body cannot cope anymore. Well, there is no reason to feel sorry and secondly, Amir has had the last 5 years to toughen up and work on his body.

You have to ask if he has put in enough work since 2016 to make up for the time that he lost.

You are victimizing and lionizing Amir as a fallen hero who paid for other’s mistakes and is not getting the respect he deserves, but that is not the case at all.

He is neither a victim and nor a lion. He is a talented bowler who made a bad choice 10 years ago and paid a price for it, and who has not shown enough desire and commitment after getting a second chance 5 years ago.

POTW - this sums it up perfectly.
 
no, it was because of him.

If you are old enough to be tempted by the lure of money, you are old enough to understand the consequences if you get caught.

Amir was not a baby. He knew what he was getting into but he was prepared to take the risk.

I do not want to judge amir - it is easy to act moral over the internet, but when you are from a poor background and are offered a life changing amount for a few no-balls, it is quite difficult to resist the temptation.

However, if you are unable to resist the temptation, you should also accept the consequences in case you get caught.

Amir is fully responsible for what happened to him. It was not butt’s or anyone else’s fault. I don’t blame amir for what he did, but i am critical of his supporters who are convincing others (and themselves) that none of it was amir’s fault.

As far as the notion that amir had no reason to come back and serve his country, well the entitlement is laughable.

No one forced amir to return to international cricket. He could have announced his retirement from international cricket and walked away.

Pcb and pakistani fans owe amir nothing, but amir owed them a lot when pcb acknowledged his desire to return or international cricket and facilitated his return.

Amir was lucky to get a second chance because other bowlers couldn’t nail down their place in the team and pakistan was not doing well. Moreover, pcb could also have adopted a zero-tolerance policy for him like they did for butt and asif.

If life had taken a different turn, amir would not have played for pakistan after lord’s 2010, and he has every reason to be grateful to pcb and the nation.

Anyway, amir is no longer chastised for what he did 10 years ago. It is basically forgotten past now.

He has been criticized over the last few years because of his obvious lack of commitment outside icc tournaments and his lack of desire to play test cricket.

Someone in his position could have been absolutely desperate to play every match in every format to make up for lost time, and that is the desire that people expected amir to show after returning to international cricket.

Unfortunately, there has been an air of entitlement about him and how we have to feel sorry for him because he lost 5 years and now his body cannot cope anymore. Well, there is no reason to feel sorry and secondly, amir has had the last 5 years to toughen up and work on his body.

You have to ask if he has put in enough work since 2016 to make up for the time that he lost.

You are victimizing and lionizing amir as a fallen hero who paid for other’s mistakes and is not getting the respect he deserves, but that is not the case at all.

He is neither a victim and nor a lion. He is a talented bowler who made a bad choice 10 years ago and paid a price for it, and who has not shown enough desire and commitment after getting a second chance 5 years ago.

potw - this sums it up perfectly.

potw
 
No, it was because of him.

If you are old enough to be tempted by the lure of money, you are old enough to understand the consequences if you get caught.

Amir was not a baby. He knew what he was getting into but he was prepared to take the risk.

I do not want to judge Amir - it is easy to act moral over the Internet, but when you are from a poor background and are offered a life changing amount for a few no-balls, it is quite difficult to resist the temptation.

However, if you are unable to resist the temptation, you should also accept the consequences in case you get caught.

Amir is fully responsible for what happened to him. It was not Butt’s or anyone else’s fault. I don’t blame Amir for what he did, but I am critical of his supporters who are convincing others (and themselves) that none of it was Amir’s fault.

As far as the notion that Amir had no reason to come back and serve his country, well the entitlement is laughable.

No one forced Amir to return to international cricket. He could have announced his retirement from international cricket and walked away.

PCB and Pakistani fans owe Amir nothing, but Amir owed them a lot when PCB acknowledged his desire to return or international cricket and facilitated his return.

Amir was lucky to get a second chance because other bowlers couldn’t nail down their place in the team and Pakistan was not doing well. Moreover, PCB could also have adopted a zero-tolerance policy for him like they did for Butt and Asif.

If life had taken a different turn, Amir would not have played for Pakistan after Lord’s 2010, and he has every reason to be grateful to PCB and the nation.

Anyway, Amir is no longer chastised for what he did 10 years ago. It is basically forgotten past now.

He has been criticized over the last few years because of his obvious lack of commitment outside ICC tournaments and his lack of desire to play Test cricket.

Someone in his position could have been absolutely desperate to play every match in every format to make up for lost time, and that is the desire that people expected Amir to show after returning to international cricket.

Unfortunately, there has been an air of entitlement about him and how we have to feel sorry for him because he lost 5 years and now his body cannot cope anymore. Well, there is no reason to feel sorry and secondly, Amir has had the last 5 years to toughen up and work on his body.

You have to ask if he has put in enough work since 2016 to make up for the time that he lost.

You are victimizing and lionizing Amir as a fallen hero who paid for other’s mistakes and is not getting the respect he deserves, but that is not the case at all.

He is neither a victim and nor a lion. He is a talented bowler who made a bad choice 10 years ago and paid a price for it, and who has not shown enough desire and commitment after getting a second chance 5 years ago.

Don't think I agree with most of your views on here but on this one, I have to say that I agree with you completely, with each & every point that you have raised.

POTW
 
Mohammad Amir could have been Pakistan’s greatest player of the decade. Our modern Wasim Akram: it’s a shame half of it he spent out of commission, with his body inactive, and the other half spent trying to first regain his mojo, find his swing again, followed by waging a war against his own body to serve the country.

Now, he leaves behind his newly born daughter Zoya, and his wife, to travel across the world during one of the most dangerous periods in history, risking his health amid an onslaught of criticism by fans and enemies alike.

I have an amazing amount of respect for this man. What could have been a 15 year career, he will have to settle for 8 now because of the likes of Salman Butt. But despite this sinking realization and despite the fury of unknowing fans and critics, he never fails to lose hope and crack a smile.

He is described as one of the funniest people in the Pakistan camp, and I am glad he is able to cultivate an atmosphere of cheer and support in the dressing room. It is something he should have had himself.

To the critics and to the fans, this isn’t about the schoolboy who took the world, or the man who had no reason to come back and serve his country. It’s about the relentless pursuit by a brilliant individual underneath, fighting for his country and for his dreams, even if his efforts are unthanked by the people who love him most.

Here’s to the Champions Trophy, to the 2019 World Cup, and to the grinning kid at Lord’s.
What a post! :salute

POTW for me.

:14:
 
No, it was because of him.

If you are old enough to be tempted by the lure of money, you are old enough to understand the consequences if you get caught.

Amir was not a baby. He knew what he was getting into but he was prepared to take the risk.

I do not want to judge Amir - it is easy to act moral over the Internet, but when you are from a poor background and are offered a life changing amount for a few no-balls, it is quite difficult to resist the temptation.

However, if you are unable to resist the temptation, you should also accept the consequences in case you get caught.

Amir is fully responsible for what happened to him. It was not Butt’s or anyone else’s fault. I don’t blame Amir for what he did, but I am critical of his supporters who are convincing others (and themselves) that none of it was Amir’s fault.

As far as the notion that Amir had no reason to come back and serve his country, well the entitlement is laughable.

No one forced Amir to return to international cricket. He could have announced his retirement from international cricket and walked away.

PCB and Pakistani fans owe Amir nothing, but Amir owed them a lot when PCB acknowledged his desire to return or international cricket and facilitated his return.

Amir was lucky to get a second chance because other bowlers couldn’t nail down their place in the team and Pakistan was not doing well. Moreover, PCB could also have adopted a zero-tolerance policy for him like they did for Butt and Asif.

If life had taken a different turn, Amir would not have played for Pakistan after Lord’s 2010, and he has every reason to be grateful to PCB and the nation.

Anyway, Amir is no longer chastised for what he did 10 years ago. It is basically forgotten past now.

He has been criticized over the last few years because of his obvious lack of commitment outside ICC tournaments and his lack of desire to play Test cricket.

Someone in his position could have been absolutely desperate to play every match in every format to make up for lost time, and that is the desire that people expected Amir to show after returning to international cricket.

Unfortunately, there has been an air of entitlement about him and how we have to feel sorry for him because he lost 5 years and now his body cannot cope anymore. Well, there is no reason to feel sorry and secondly, Amir has had the last 5 years to toughen up and work on his body.

You have to ask if he has put in enough work since 2016 to make up for the time that he lost.

You are victimizing and lionizing Amir as a fallen hero who paid for other’s mistakes and is not getting the respect he deserves, but that is not the case at all.

He is neither a victim and nor a lion. He is a talented bowler who made a bad choice 10 years ago and paid a price for it, and who has not shown enough desire and commitment after getting a second chance 5 years ago.

There are some large leaps of logic and flimsy opinions here.

Firstly there's an assumption that there hasn't been desire and commitment from Amir prior to his test retirement? Are you a mind reader? Always get a laugh out of 'holier than though' saints like yourself who can accuse others of something without clear proof.

You also display some selective amnesia in not remembering the circumstances of his return. The Pakistan team's fast bowling stocks in 2015 were laughably thin. Our best bowler was an inconsistent 30 year old Wahab Riaz, who bowled *that* spell against Watson, and that's it. We also had Rahat Ali, Irfan, Sami and an oft injured Junaid Khan amongst the bowling stocks I.e. it was depressing. So when Amir returns after 5 years off, with barely a handful of first class games played, the PCB select him immediately. Because in their minds he was still the young kid who wowed on the Australia and England tours in '09 and '10 rather than the 20 something who was re-adjusting to playing at *the highest level of the game*, with all the pressures that come with it. And despite his inadequacies since his comeback, he was still a better bowler than the other fast bowlers that Pak had at the time. Disagree? Think back to the 2015 WC and come back to me on how the Pak fast bowling standards were then.

So what you conveniently leave out, is that whilst Amir absolutely owed the fans, the PCB were also very very glad for his return in 2015. And they showed their gladness by bowling the lad into the ground by late 2019 by playing him in every format, including in 4 man attacks on UAE roads. Micky, Inzy and the PCB's mismanagement of Amir stands in stark contrast to the masterful way in which the ECB have managed Jimmy Anderson's career.

You state that he should have *lol* transformed his body from 2016 onwards to cope with the rigours of *overplaying* at the highest levels.

Let me tell you something about physiology mate. In terms of physical rigour, fast bowlers experience the most rigour in cricket. Why? Because, in a test match you are expected to bowl anywhere between 40-50 overs, which means working your joints, arm, back and leg muscles and cartilage 300 times a match. It helps if you develop these muscles at a younger age, such that every time you play again, the muscle memory compensates for some of the rigour.

He lost *5 years* when that muscle memory needed to develop. When he comes back, he needs to redevelop this muscle memory (best done in FC cricket). However, because the PCB need him, he has to redevelop his muscle memory whilst trying to lead and perform (And overplay) for his country at the *highest level* after 5 years of inactivity. To laughably state that it's on *him* that he redevelop his body is hilarious. How's he gonna do that when he's busy playing for Pakistan? To use an example, it's like asking a driver whose just got to license back after five years, to regain his driving reactions *whilst participating in an F1 race*.

And then he has to put up with the nonsense he has to keep taking from 'fans', including other posters here who were quick to adjudge your skewed reasoning as 'POTW'.

But he still keeps coming back, including leaving his wife and new born daughter so that he can play for his country against England.

Is he a flawed person. Absolutely. This post isnt to lionise the lad but give a fair understanding of his situation. But what he does not deserve is the ** he gets from Pakistan fans.

Thus try walking a mile in Amir's shoes before you start pointing figures. Judging others is very easy when looking at yourselves In the mirror may be more useful.
 
Instead of going on a lengthy rant just because you saw me contribute in this thread, you should have read my post carefully. If you would have done so, you would have realized that I have already answered several points that you have raised in your word salad. Unfortunately or fortunately, arguing with me gets your post noticed since everyone reads what I write or what others write in response to my post, so like many other posters, you have decided to use me to get prominence.

Thus, out of respect for your rambling, I will respond to you and dissect your post point by point.

There are some large leaps of logic and flimsy opinions here.

Firstly there's an assumption that there hasn't been desire and commitment from Amir prior to his test retirement? Are you a mind reader? Always get a laugh out of 'holier than though' saints like yourself who can accuse others of something without clear proof.

The proof lies in the pudding. Amir retired from Test cricket in July 2019 at the age of 27 and 3 years into his return to international cricket. In fact, the news of his potential retirement first broke out in 2018 but his fan-boys called it fake news.

So what does pondering retirement from Test cricket at the age of 26-27 looks like to you? I don’t have to explain, do I? It very clearly illustrates his complete lack of commitment towards Test cricket. You do not have to be a mind-reader to understand that no cricketer who is committed to Test cricket and wants to be remembered as a Test cricket legend would retire from the format at the age of 26-27, that too when he has only played 30 odd Test matches.

You also display some selective amnesia in not remembering the circumstances of his return. The Pakistan team's fast bowling stocks in 2015 were laughably thin. Our best bowler was an inconsistent 30 year old Wahab Riaz, who bowled *that* spell against Watson, and that's it. We also had Rahat Ali, Irfan, Sami and an oft injured Junaid Khan amongst the bowling stocks I.e. it was depressing. So when Amir returns after 5 years off, with barely a handful of first class games played, the PCB select him immediately. Because in their minds he was still the young kid who wowed on the Australia and England tours in '09 and '10 rather than the 20 something who was re-adjusting to playing at *the highest level of the game*, with all the pressures that come with it. And despite his inadequacies since his comeback, he was still a better bowler than the other fast bowlers that Pak had at the time. Disagree? Think back to the 2015 WC and come back to me on how the Pak fast bowling standards were then.

If you would have read my post, you would have noticed the following part:

Amir was lucky to get a second chance because other bowlers couldn’t nail down their place in the team and Pakistan was not doing well. Moreover, PCB could also have adopted a zero-tolerance policy for him like they did for Butt and Asif.

If life had taken a different turn, Amir would not have played for Pakistan after Lord’s 2010, and he has every reason to be grateful to PCB and the nation.”


I have already stated that he has fast-tracked because other bowlers couldn’t nail down their positions, so you simply wasted your time by providing a summary of our bowling between 2011 and 2015. So Amir needs to be grateful and should consider himself lucky because if others would have done well in his absence, the door on his career could have been closed forever, so life took a favorable turn for him.

So what you conveniently leave out, is that whilst Amir absolutely owed the fans, the PCB were also very very glad for his return in 2015. And they showed their gladness by bowling the lad into the ground by late 2019 by playing him in every format, including in 4 man attacks on UAE roads. Micky, Inzy and the PCB's mismanagement of Amir stands in stark contrast to the masterful way in which the ECB have managed Jimmy Anderson's career.

Amir is not the only bowler or cricketer who has been overplayed. It happens in most teams, and Pakistan’s situation was particularly unique because we did not have many alternatives. PCB could learn from ECB but more importantly, Amir could also learn from the masterful way Jimmy Anderson has managed his own career. No one forced Amir to waste 5 years. It was a choice that he made and he has to live with it.

If Anderson had done what Amir did, trust me, he would not have played for England again. So let’s not go down the “PCB needs to learn from ECB” route because it will not end well for Amir’s fan-boys.

And if Amir was over-bowled and needed time off to recoup, he could have retired from T20Is or he could have even taken a temporary hiatus from Test cricket. But no, he had zero commitment to Test cricket and had absolutely no problems with the fact that he is retiring as a completely nobody in Test cricket.

You state that he should have *lol* transformed his body from 2016 onwards to cope with the rigours of *overplaying* at the highest levels.

Let me tell you something about physiology mate. In terms of physical rigour, fast bowlers experience the most rigour in cricket. Why? Because, in a test match you are expected to bowl anywhere between 40-50 overs, which means working your joints, arm, back and leg muscles and cartilage 300 times a match. It helps if you develop these muscles at a younger age, such that every time you play again, the muscle memory compensates for some of the rigour.

He lost *5 years* when that muscle memory needed to develop. When he comes back, he needs to redevelop this muscle memory (best done in FC cricket). However, because the PCB need him, he has to redevelop his muscle memory whilst trying to lead and perform (And overplay) for his country at the *highest level* after 5 years of inactivity. To laughably state that it's on *him* that he redevelop his body is hilarious. How's he gonna do that when he's busy playing for Pakistan? To use an example, it's like asking a driver whose just got to license back after five years, to regain his driving reactions *whilst participating in an F1 race*.

Again, 5 years is more than sufficient time to build endurance. Have we seen Amir work hard in the gym over the last few years? Have we seen him put on some mass and muscle? No we haven’t - he has coasted over the last few years and has resigned himself to the notion that his body cannot cope with Test cricket because he did not play for 5 years.

Furthermore, from a physical perspective, Amir was actually quite lucky to miss laboring in the UAE heat between the tender age of 18-23, where fast bowlers are most vulnerable in terms of facing injuries. He returned to Test cricket at the age of 23 without the wear and tear of playing Test cricket in the UAE for 5 years.

Moreover, as I said earlier, if Amir was burned out by playing a lot of cricket between 2016 and 2019, he could have taken temporary retirement from Test cricket or could have offered PCB to play only in overseas (non-Asian Tests), but no - he decided to completely retire from Test cricket and watch Pakistan get massacred in Australia with novice bowlers.

And then he has to put up with the nonsense he has to keep taking from 'fans', including other posters here who were quick to adjudge your skewed reasoning as 'POTW'.

But he still keeps coming back, including leaving his wife and new born daughter so that he can play for his country against England.

Leaving his family to play for his country in England is the least Amir could do after what he did in 2010 and how he selfishly retired from Test cricket altogether last year. Please get something very clear - he is not doing PCB any favor by offering to play on this tour.

Is he a flawed person. Absolutely. This post isnt to lionise the lad but give a fair understanding of his situation. But what he does not deserve is the ** he gets from Pakistan fans.

Actually, Amir deserves a lot more ** than what he gets or what he has gotten from Pakistan fans. Amir is the most well-treated fixer in history of cricket. Had he played for any other board, he would have not have played a single match after Lord’s 2010. So again, Amir owes everything to PCB and the country and PCB and the fans owe him absolutely nothing.

Amir fan-boys live in a world of their own if they think that he has to put up with crap. He needs to very grateful because no fixer has been treated as well as he has been.

Thus try walking a mile in Amir's shoes before you start pointing figures. Judging others is very easy when looking at yourselves In the mirror may be more useful.

Once again, if you would have read my post, you would have noticed the following part of my post:

“I do not want to judge Amir - it is easy to act moral over the Internet, but when you are from a poor background and are offered a life changing amount for a few no-balls, it is quite difficult to resist the temptation.”

As I said, it is easy to act moral on the internet but it is more difficult when you are put through the test that Amir was in 2010. He was from a poor family and was offered a life-changing amount for a few no-balls. If I were in his position, maybe I would have done the same. However, when you make a decision like this, you need to understand that there could be grave consequences if you get caught.

It was a choice that you make, and Amir made his decision but it turned out to be a bad call because he got caught. It was a choice that ruined his career. It was a choice that he made and he has to live with it for the rest of his life. Retiring from Test cricket at the age of 27-28 instead of taking time off was also a choice that he made.

To sum it up, he lacks commitment towards Test cricket and has showed the bare minimum desire that anyone in his position would have after missing out on so much. As I stated previously, most other players in his position would have been absolutely desperate to prolong their Test careers but Amir is clearly not interested in becoming a Test great for Pakistan.

He will be criticized for this regardless of how much his fan-boys want to protect and justify him.
 
I have some sympathy for Amir though. I think PCB pushed him too hard when he returned to cricket. It seemed like only a matter of days before he was back playing all 3 formats for Pakistan.

The situation should have been handled much better by PCB.
 
I think that one can't objectively rule out the 5 year gap and re-introduction to international cricket / work load management having an effect on the bio mechanics of his bowling action and also his physical development as a fast bowler, but at the same time it is laughable to make excuses for what he did in 2010, the evidence is pretty damning and extends well beyond the influence of Mr.Butt for those actually bothered to read the ICC findings from the spot fixing tribunal instead of eulogising the bloke.
 
I have some sympathy for Amir though. I think PCB pushed him too hard when he returned to cricket. It seemed like only a matter of days before he was back playing all 3 formats for Pakistan.

The situation should have been handled much better by PCB.

Absolutely.
 
No, it was because of him.

If you are old enough to be tempted by the lure of money, you are old enough to understand the consequences if you get caught.

Amir was not a baby. He knew what he was getting into but he was prepared to take the risk.

I do not want to judge Amir - it is easy to act moral over the Internet, but when you are from a poor background and are offered a life changing amount for a few no-balls, it is quite difficult to resist the temptation.

However, if you are unable to resist the temptation, you should also accept the consequences in case you get caught.

Amir is fully responsible for what happened to him. It was not Butt’s or anyone else’s fault. I don’t blame Amir for what he did, but I am critical of his supporters who are convincing others (and themselves) that none of it was Amir’s fault.

As far as the notion that Amir had no reason to come back and serve his country, well the entitlement is laughable.

No one forced Amir to return to international cricket. He could have announced his retirement from international cricket and walked away.

PCB and Pakistani fans owe Amir nothing, but Amir owed them a lot when PCB acknowledged his desire to return or international cricket and facilitated his return.

Amir was lucky to get a second chance because other bowlers couldn’t nail down their place in the team and Pakistan was not doing well. Moreover, PCB could also have adopted a zero-tolerance policy for him like they did for Butt and Asif.

If life had taken a different turn, Amir would not have played for Pakistan after Lord’s 2010, and he has every reason to be grateful to PCB and the nation.

Anyway, Amir is no longer chastised for what he did 10 years ago. It is basically forgotten past now.

He has been criticized over the last few years because of his obvious lack of commitment outside ICC tournaments and his lack of desire to play Test cricket.

Someone in his position could have been absolutely desperate to play every match in every format to make up for lost time, and that is the desire that people expected Amir to show after returning to international cricket.

Unfortunately, there has been an air of entitlement about him and how we have to feel sorry for him because he lost 5 years and now his body cannot cope anymore. Well, there is no reason to feel sorry and secondly, Amir has had the last 5 years to toughen up and work on his body.

You have to ask if he has put in enough work since 2016 to make up for the time that he lost.

You are victimizing and lionizing Amir as a fallen hero who paid for other’s mistakes and is not getting the respect he deserves, but that is not the case at all.

He is neither a victim and nor a lion. He is a talented bowler who made a bad choice 10 years ago and paid a price for it, and who has not shown enough desire and commitment after getting a second chance 5 years ago.

POTW stuff.
 
Mohammad Amir has arrived in England and will join squad after 2 negative COVID-19 tests, as per policy.
 
I have some sympathy for Amir though. I think PCB pushed him too hard when he returned to cricket. It seemed like only a matter of days before he was back playing all 3 formats for Pakistan.

The situation should have been handled much better by PCB.

At the time there was too much desperation for him to return, necause most of the other bowlers were done or not good enough.

A better system would have had him playing a full year of domestic cricket and then see where he was at.
 
Part 1

Instead of going on a lengthy rant just because you saw me contribute in this thread, you should have read my post carefully. If you would have done so, you would have realized that I have already answered several points that you have raised in your word salad. Unfortunately or fortunately, arguing with me gets your post noticed since everyone reads what I write or what others write in response to my post, so like many other posters, you have decided to use me to get prominence.

Thus, out of respect for your rambling, I will respond to you and dissect your post point by point.

I’ll address your reply in two manners.

Part a) Your overall tone regarding Amir

Part b) Your retorts regarding Amir

a)

I love posting here at Pakpassion. Here I can interact with fellow Pakistani fans regarding future prospects and prospective team combos. It’s the hope of seeing a successful Pakistan team that brings me on here. I also like to read about relevant issues affecting Pakistan Cricket, including one Mohammad Amir.

Amir has lived an interesting life. He is seen by his fans as a hero, or by his detractors as a sinner/luxury/failure/disloyal. However, the reactions to Amir almost hold a mirror up to ourselves, especially the way we judge and look at people.

For anybody whose lived life will understand, there are shades of grey in almost everybody’s actions, including Amirs. Such actions include his test retirement, which has been especially polarising, predictably.

As people, we sometimes mistake our perception of someone’s actions as their intention.

e.g.
Action: Amir has retired from test cricket-
Result: This will negatively affect Pakistan-
Perception: Hence his intentions themselves are negative.

However, unless you’re a mind reader, you can’t *always know* a person’s intentions, from their actions. (Please see the latter half of Surah Al Kahf, where Musa repeatedly questions Khizr’s actions until he is given the subtext behind those actions)

I try to not fall into this trap of judging a person, because I’m no one to judge anyone, especially as I don’t know the subtext of an action.

As I previously mentioned, I come to post here because I am interested in seeing the Pakistan Cricket Team do well, and a supported Mohammad Amir is a part of that. I love measured, intelligent discourse, and want to shout out [MENTION=142432]Titan24[/MENTION], [MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION], [MENTION=130419]shah_1[/MENTION] and [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] for making interesting observations.

You also mentioned that calling you out will get me noticed and give me *lol* ‘prominence’. Please understand that as much as I like visiting Pakpassion, I don’t tie my sense of self worth to how much attention I get from others on an internet forum. However, given the consistent cynical, negative content of 'every post you make’, you do like the attention.

You specifically have a track record of slandering players/people on here (see: Mohammad Amir), by presenting your rationalisations as fact. I can’t stand for a false narrative presented as fact, and never will.

If that means consistently calling out your terrible, lightweight takes, so be it.
 
There are some large leaps of logic and flimsy opinions here.

Firstly there's an assumption that there hasn't been desire and commitment from Amir prior to his test retirement? Are you a mind reader? Always get a laugh out of 'holier than though' saints like yourself who can accuse others of something without clear proof.

You also display some selective amnesia in not remembering the circumstances of his return. The Pakistan team's fast bowling stocks in 2015 were laughably thin. Our best bowler was an inconsistent 30 year old Wahab Riaz, who bowled *that* spell against Watson, and that's it. We also had Rahat Ali, Irfan, Sami and an oft injured Junaid Khan amongst the bowling stocks I.e. it was depressing. So when Amir returns after 5 years off, with barely a handful of first class games played, the PCB select him immediately. Because in their minds he was still the young kid who wowed on the Australia and England tours in '09 and '10 rather than the 20 something who was re-adjusting to playing at *the highest level of the game*, with all the pressures that come with it. And despite his inadequacies since his comeback, he was still a better bowler than the other fast bowlers that Pak had at the time. Disagree? Think back to the 2015 WC and come back to me on how the Pak fast bowling standards were then.

So what you conveniently leave out, is that whilst Amir absolutely owed the fans, the PCB were also very very glad for his return in 2015. And they showed their gladness by bowling the lad into the ground by late 2019 by playing him in every format, including in 4 man attacks on UAE roads. Micky, Inzy and the PCB's mismanagement of Amir stands in stark contrast to the masterful way in which the ECB have managed Jimmy Anderson's career.

You state that he should have *lol* transformed his body from 2016 onwards to cope with the rigours of *overplaying* at the highest levels.

Let me tell you something about physiology mate. In terms of physical rigour, fast bowlers experience the most rigour in cricket. Why? Because, in a test match you are expected to bowl anywhere between 40-50 overs, which means working your joints, arm, back and leg muscles and cartilage 300 times a match. It helps if you develop these muscles at a younger age, such that every time you play again, the muscle memory compensates for some of the rigour.

He lost *5 years* when that muscle memory needed to develop. When he comes back, he needs to redevelop this muscle memory (best done in FC cricket). However, because the PCB need him, he has to redevelop his muscle memory whilst trying to lead and perform (And overplay) for his country at the *highest level* after 5 years of inactivity. To laughably state that it's on *him* that he redevelop his body is hilarious. How's he gonna do that when he's busy playing for Pakistan? To use an example, it's like asking a driver whose just got to license back after five years, to regain his driving reactions *whilst participating in an F1 race*.

And then he has to put up with the nonsense he has to keep taking from 'fans', including other posters here who were quick to adjudge your skewed reasoning as 'POTW'.

But he still keeps coming back, including leaving his wife and new born daughter so that he can play for his country against England.

Is he a flawed person. Absolutely. This post isnt to lionise the lad but give a fair understanding of his situation. But what he does not deserve is the ** he gets from Pakistan fans.

Thus try walking a mile in Amir's shoes before you start pointing figures. Judging others is very easy when looking at yourselves In the mirror may be more useful.

Post of the year for me
 
I’ll address your reply in two manners.

Part a) Your overall tone regarding Amir

Part b) Your retorts regarding Amir

a)

I love posting here at Pakpassion. Here I can interact with fellow Pakistani fans regarding future prospects and prospective team combos. It’s the hope of seeing a successful Pakistan team that brings me on here. I also like to read about relevant issues affecting Pakistan Cricket, including one Mohammad Amir.

Amir has lived an interesting life. He is seen by his fans as a hero, or by his detractors as a sinner/luxury/failure/disloyal. However, the reactions to Amir almost hold a mirror up to ourselves, especially the way we judge and look at people.

For anybody whose lived life will understand, there are shades of grey in almost everybody’s actions, including Amirs. Such actions include his test retirement, which has been especially polarising, predictably.

As people, we sometimes mistake our perception of someone’s actions as their intention.

e.g.
Action: Amir has retired from test cricket-
Result: This will negatively affect Pakistan-
Perception: Hence his intentions themselves are negative.

However, unless you’re a mind reader, you can’t *always know* a person’s intentions, from their actions. (Please see the latter half of Surah Al Kahf, where Musa repeatedly questions Khizr’s actions until he is given the subtext behind those actions)

I try to not fall into this trap of judging a person, because I’m no one to judge anyone, especially as I don’t know the subtext of an action.

As I previously mentioned, I come to post here because I am interested in seeing the Pakistan Cricket Team do well, and a supported Mohammad Amir is a part of that. I love measured, intelligent discourse, and want to shout out [MENTION=142432]Titan24[/MENTION], [MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION], [MENTION=130419]shah_1[/MENTION] and [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] for making interesting observations.

You also mentioned that calling you out will get me noticed and give me *lol* ‘prominence’. Please understand that as much as I like visiting Pakpassion, I don’t tie my sense of self worth to how much attention I get from others on an internet forum. However, given the consistent cynical, negative content of 'every post you make’, you do like the attention.

You specifically have a track record of slandering players/people on here (see: Mohammad Amir), by presenting your rationalisations as fact. I can’t stand for a false narrative presented as fact, and never will.

If that means consistently calling out your terrible, lightweight takes, so be it.

Please spare me your pseudo-philosophy and your religious lectures which you should actually give to your hero Amir, who was doing sajdah on Lord’s turf a day after spot-fixing. You should quote him a verse from the Quran that was specifically revealed for individuals like him.

As far as your pseudo-philosophy is concerned, certain actions are wrong and unjustified to an extent where they do not require any context or subtext.

There is absolutely no justification for Amir retiring from Test cricket permanently last year. If he was burned out, he could have requested temporary hiatus. If he didn’t want to play in the heat of UAE or Pakistan, he could have offered to play overseas only.

The point is that there were several options that he could have opted for but he chose the most selfish available option of walking away from Test cricket for good.

It clearly illustrated that Amir has absolutely no gratitude for getting a second chance and is in no way thankful to PCB for resurrecting his career. He has a chip on his shoulder and a clear sense of entitlement.

Anyone else in his position would not have the gall to pull off this stunt. It is a decision that deserves criticism and anyone who thinks it was a polarizing call - or attempts to justify it - needs a good hard look at himself/herself.

When you do something wrong, people will judge you and criticize you. That is how the world works, but clearly not how the world of Amir and his fan-boys work.

For every wrong act, every crime, every illegal activity, there is always a reason, a justification, a context, a subtext. That does not mean that they do not deserve to be judged.
 
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And one can only laugh at the “he keeps coming back” assertion.

If someone didn’t know the background, he/she would think that Amir has been wronged and victimized throughout his career and he had to fight for justice but doesn’t give up.

Excuse me?

We are talking about a player who made a bad call 10 years ago which cost him 5 years, and then he was welcomed back with open arms and he responded by retiring from Test cricket 2 years after his return.

Where does he keep coming back? Keep coming back from where?
 
There are players in the country who would give an arm and a leg to have the opportunity to play international cricket for Pakistan, and then on the other end of the spectrum,

we have an entitled prima donna who shot himself in the foot 10 years ago and could have easily lost his entire career but ended up being the most well-treated fixer in history of cricket, and he responded by retiring from Test cricket 2 years into his comeback.

This is the level of gratitude that he showed to PCB, who in hindsight would not have gone from pillar to post to bring him back had they knew that he would run away from Test cricket at the age of 27.

The whole desperation of bringing him back was the assertion that he is young and thus has still many years of cricket left, but little did they know that he would be retiring from Test cricket in 2019.

The level of entitlement exhibited by Amir and his fan-boys is sickening. He doesn’t keep coming back; he keeps climbing higher and higher on the ladder of shamelessness.
 
Part 2

So what does pondering retirement from Test cricket at the age of 26-27 looks like to you? I don’t have to explain, do I? It very clearly illustrates his complete lack of commitment towards Test cricket. You do not have to be a mind-reader to understand that no cricketer who is committed to Test cricket and wants to be remembered as a Test cricket legend would retire from the format at the age of 26-27, that too when he has only played 30 odd Test matches.

Unless you have his confidential medical reports or are a mind reader, you do not know how is body was coping with the excessive overplaying. A clearer indication would be how his stats suffered pre-retirement and how the zip and verve in his bowling has returned post retirement. See: 2019 WC and his generally strong opening spells in the PSL. The test retirement was a difficult decision, but one that will elongate his career. Which takes me to my second point:

Amir is not the only bowler or cricketer who has been overplayed. It happens in most teams, and Pakistan’s situation was particularly unique because we did not have many alternatives. PCB could learn from ECB but more importantly, Amir could also learn from the masterful way Jimmy Anderson has managed his own career. No one forced Amir to waste 5 years. It was a choice that he made and he has to live with it.

If Anderson had done what Amir did, trust me, he would not have played for England again. So let’s not go down the “PCB needs to learn from ECB” route because it will not end well for Amir’s fan-boys.

And if Amir was over-bowled and needed time off to recoup, he could have retired from T20Is or he could have even taken a temporary hiatus from Test cricket. But no, he had zero commitment to Test cricket and had absolutely no problems with the fact that he is retiring as a completely nobody in Test cricket.

It's downright laughable if you think that 'Jimmy Anderson managed his own career' regarding formats. Anderson last played in the 2015 WC and was not picked by the ECB for ODIs and T20s after this, to preserve his body. The management of playing time, and the leadership in sensibly using your best resources, HAS to come from the board and the selectors. Let's also not forget that Mickey et al eventually settled on a deal with Amir where he would only play select overseas tests, to extend his longevity. But the PCB, post Mickey Arthur, reneged on this agreement, forcing Amir's hand.

The irony is that Amir could become an all format player tomorrow if Misbah rotated his fast bowlers better across all formats. And given Pakistan's pace resources now, that is very doable.

Again, 5 years is more than sufficient time to build endurance. Have we seen Amir work hard in the gym over the last few years? Have we seen him put on some mass and muscle? No we haven’t - he has coasted over the last few years and has resigned himself to the notion that his body cannot cope with Test cricket because he did not play for 5 years.

As [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] , (a journalist with actual sources), has stated on here, there were no guarantees that Amir was coming back to cricket post 2010. I also would like to repeat my point, as you didn't get it in my initial reply (and I'll describe it plainly to allow your brain to compensate)

Muscle development and memory does NOT happen from gym sessions. The guy's not a body builder lol. Playing muscles develop from repetition in a live playing environment. Amir missed out on this because of a lack of extended first class cricket. He should have been allowed a full year of first class before he was picked again. To make it even easier for you here's another example, to help your brain cells:

South Koreans have to carry out a compulsory 2 years of military service between 18 and 28. These are the prime years of a footballers career. In the past, when SK players have returned from military service, they go through a period of being a shadow of their former selves due to two years of lost match fitness. That muscle development can't just be switched on from doing bench presses in a gym. How ludicrous!

Moreover, as I said earlier, if Amir was burned out by playing a lot of cricket between 2016 and 2019, he could have taken temporary retirement from Test cricket or could have offered PCB to play only in overseas (non-Asian Tests), but no - he decided to completely retire from Test cricket and watch Pakistan get massacred in Australia with novice bowlers.

As I mentioned earlier, it's on the board and the selectors to intelligently manage their resources, rather than the player himself. Jimmy Anderson didn't stop playing ODIs and T20s because he didn't want to, but because the ECB stopped picking him.

To sum it up, he lacks commitment towards Test cricket and has showed the bare minimum desire that anyone in his position would have after missing out on so much. As I stated previously, most other players in his position would have been absolutely desperate to prolong their Test careers but Amir is clearly not interested in becoming a Test great for Pakistan.

He will be criticised for this regardless of how much his fan-boys want to protect and justify him.

If being overplayed into the ground displays bare minimum desire, than I can't really rationalise any more with you, can I?

In closing your post may have been about Amir, but it's really about your own skewed perception of Amir (See my earlier post , 'Part 1', a delicious rambling word salad that analyses your 'contributions' on this forum).

You present your own weak reasoning as fact regarding his decisions. There's another group who has a similar thought process. They're called Flat Earthers.

In closing, the lad is a very flawed individual, but he does not deserve the ** he gets from sinless holier than thou types like yourself. Making mistakes is a part of life, and moving on from them should also be a part of life, for everybody
 
Mate, you clearly seem a bit gotten to.

Anyhoo:

Please spare me your pseudo-philosophy and your religious lectures which you should actually give to your hero Amir, who was doing sajdah on Lord’s turf a day after spot-fixing. You should quote him a verse from the Quran that was specifically revealed for individuals like him.

The point is that these lessons apply to all of us, including me. The fact that you think you’re above it gives away your holier than thou attitude, in relation to Amir.

'There is absolutely no justification for Amir retiring from Test cricket permanently last year. If he was burned out, he could have requested temporary hiatus. If he didn’t want to play in the heat of UAE or Pakistan, he could have offered to play overseas only.’

Amir provided his justfication in [MENTION=140702]kirkut[/MENTION] ’s wonderfully transcribed POTW . I recommend everyone read it. Management of player resources has to be done by selectors, rather than the player themselves. You don’t expect Harry Kane to refuse playing midweek fixture, you expect Mourinho to monitor his fitness levels and rotate accordingly. It’s on management.

It clearly illustrated that Amir has absolutely no gratitude for getting a second chance and is in no way thankful to PCB for resurrecting his career. He has a chip on his shoulder and a clear sense of entitlement.

‘Clearly illustrated’??!? A gigantic leap of logic, wouldn’t you say? Please see my earlier point about colouring your perception as fact. here’s a further example for you as difference between the two:

Fact: The Sky is blue
Fact: The Sun is hot
Perception: The Earth is Flat because I can’t see the horizon dip spherically

When you do something wrong, people will judge you and criticize you. That is how the world works, but clearly not how the world of Amir and his fan-boys work.

For every wrong act, every crime, every illegal activity, there is always a reason, a justification, a context, a subtext. That does not mean that they do not deserve to be judged.

The world works better when we appreciate nuance. Retiring from tests isn’t exactly a crime against humanity I’d say.

Also, not an Amir ******/apologist, he correctly got the third degree in 2010. Personally I just have a low threshold for unjustifiable nonsense.
 
There are players in the country who would give an arm and a leg to have the opportunity to play international cricket for Pakistan, and then on the other end of the spectrum,

we have an entitled prima donna who shot himself in the foot 10 years ago and could have easily lost his entire career but ended up being the most well-treated fixer in history of cricket, and he responded by retiring from Test cricket 2 years into his comeback.

This is the level of gratitude that he showed to PCB, who in hindsight would not have gone from pillar to post to bring him back had they knew that he would run away from Test cricket at the age of 27.

The whole desperation of bringing him back was the assertion that he is young and thus has still many years of cricket left, but little did they know that he would be retiring from Test cricket in 2019.

The level of entitlement exhibited by Amir and his fan-boys is sickening. He doesn’t keep coming back; he keeps climbing higher and higher on the ladder of shamelessness.

I firmly believe that if the PCB actually tried to manage his workload and agree a reduced schedule, there would be no test retirement that you seemed so incredulous about. However, it would have taken strong leadership from the PCB in the instance that Amir didn't play in a test series and Pakistan lost, the flack would rest with the PCB. They didn't want that responsibility, so they kept playing him until he took the tough decision himself. And he'll be more effective for Pakistan for it, in ODIs and T20is.

That's not entitlement, that's trusting your convictions, in the face of weak management and leadership from the PCB.

Let me also say that, if the PCB can agree a limited schedule with Amir, it wouldn't surprise me to see him return to playing tests.

But hey, you have your unchangeable perception of him, so nothing that I can say will change your mind.
 
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Whats he in the squad for? To play some t20s?

Surely a bowler worth his salt would not be fufilled playing a couple of meaningless t20s and odis here and there
 
Whats he in the squad for? To play some t20s?

Surely a bowler worth his salt would not be fufilled playing a couple of meaningless t20s and odis here and there

Management are staying tight lipped about whether he's there for the test matches. However the fact that they won't deny it, and the speed with which they have got him there whilst Malik is still in Pakistan, suggests that he will be considered for tests.
 
Management are staying tight lipped about whether he's there for the test matches. However the fact that they won't deny it, and the speed with which they have got him there whilst Malik is still in Pakistan, suggests that he will be considered for tests.

Then why he is not playing in practice matches?
 
Then why he is not playing in practice matches?

He reached England yesterday and now needs to test negative twice for COVID-19 before he can join the team.

Anyway, it remains to be seen if he'll be considered. This is the last warm-up match so he won't get any match practice, if he is in the frame for selection.
 
He reached England yesterday and now needs to test negative twice for COVID-19 before he can join the team.

Anyway, it remains to be seen if he'll be considered. This is the last warm-up match so he won't get any match practice, if he is in the frame for selection.

Considering he hasn't played any cricket in ~5 months, would be a massive surprise if he plays any test matches at all. Even more so now that their are already 4 fast bowlers ahead of Amir deserving of selection
 
He reached England yesterday and now needs to test negative twice for COVID-19 before he can join the team.

Anyway, it remains to be seen if he'll be considered. This is the last warm-up match so he won't get any match practice, if he is in the frame for selection.

They shouldnt thrust him in for the 1st test. May be fir 2nd test, let his body get into bowling rhythm. Cant just simply wake up and go play intl test cricket. He retired for this same reason.
 
He reached England yesterday and now needs to test negative twice for COVID-19 before he can join the team.

Anyway, it remains to be seen if he'll be considered. This is the last warm-up match so he won't get any match practice, if he is in the frame for selection.

Got it
 
They shouldnt thrust him in for the 1st test. May be fir 2nd test, let his body get into bowling rhythm. Cant just simply wake up and go play intl test cricket. He retired for this same reason.

He's not due to play in any of the Tests, unless they push him and he agrees.
 
He's not due to play in any of the Tests, unless they push him and he agrees.

I think it will depend very much on how the first test match goes without him. I have seen this countless times before where e.g. Younus and Yousuf were each dropped for non-cricketing reasons and then, when the team did badly in the first game of the tour, they were very quickly drafted in.

Happened with Younus on a tour of Australia when Yousuf was captain. Also happened with Yousuf on a tour of England.

I just pray we start the tour well and don't have to go into panic mode.
 
I just pray we start the tour well and don't have to go into panic mode.

I think panic mode is not too far away, especially after the 113 all out.
 
I think panic mode is not too far away, especially after the 113 all out.

Well they did a bit better in the practice match before. It all comes down to cloud cover - if it's cloudy and swinging, we are doomed. If it's sunny and there's less swing, I think we'll be ok.
 
You can just sense that Misbah will pick a moronically inept team for the First Test:

6 Iftikfhar 5/3
10-1-40-0
7 Rizwan 8/35
8 Yasir 0/2
45-3-195-2
9 Sohail 25/6
35-8-140-2
10 Abbas 0/0
30-4-110-0
11 Shaheen 0/0
37-8-105-3

They will then have little choice but to play Amir at Southampton.
 
Management are staying tight lipped about whether he's there for the test matches. However the fact that they won't deny it, and the speed with which they have got him there whilst Malik is still in Pakistan, suggests that he will be considered for tests.

Malik is in India. Malik is also more replaceable as a T20 batsman (with many backup options) than Amir especially when the T20 starter Haris Rauf has fallen sick.

That being said, I would love to see Amir play. But I would avoid the conspiracy theories.
 
You can just sense that Misbah will pick a moronically inept team for the First Test:

6 Iftikfhar 5/3
10-1-40-0
7 Rizwan 8/35
8 Yasir 0/2
45-3-195-2
9 Sohail 25/6
35-8-140-2
10 Abbas 0/0
30-4-110-0
11 Shaheen 0/0
37-8-105-3

They will then have little choice but to play Amir at Southampton.

I'd be very surprised if Misbah dropped Naseem. Across all practice matches Naseem has not just taken wickets, but also crucially, temporarily injured players (Imam, Abid). Not to sound ghoulish, but those type of concentration breaks usually can create opportunities for other bowlers (like the metronome Abbas).

However, if Misbah does play the line up you posted...

That line up would result in Sohail getting knackered, Shaheen being over bowled and Ifti bowling too many overs as a stop gap.

So yes, I agree, enter Amir at Soton

If only Shadab could have bowled half decently in the warm ups man, but that looks like a temporary list cause
 
Management are staying tight lipped about whether he's there for the test matches. However the fact that they won't deny it, and the speed with which they have got him there whilst Malik is still in Pakistan, suggests that he will be considered for tests.

It seems that his highness, who has done PCB a huge favor by agreeing to play on this tour, has kept the management in the dark as far as his availability for Tests are concerned.

So we have to wait for his highness to make up his mind. Until then, we should praise him for how “he keeps coming back”.
 
It seems that his highness, who has done PCB a huge favor by agreeing to play on this tour, has kept the management in the dark as far as his availability for Tests are concerned.

So we have to wait for his highness to make up his mind. Until then, we should praise him for how “he keeps coming back”.

There really isn't a post where you don't come across as bitter. The man took leave for the birth of his child and the kid came earlier than expected, it happens. He didn't ask for any special privilege nor keep the PCB in the dark. He also hasn't made it out to be some massive favour he's doing the PCB by coming back. You're being ignorant to justify your hate of this guy.
 
It seems that his highness, who has done PCB a huge favor by agreeing to play on this tour, has kept the management in the dark as far as his availability for Tests are concerned.

So we have to wait for his highness to make up his mind. Until then, we should praise him for how “he keeps coming back”.

Hypothetically, if Hetmyer and Bravo had reversed decision and flown into the UK before the third test, it would only enhance WI's batting. It would be seen as a positive.

Also, unless you have CIA level Intel, how would you know that a private conversation between the team and him hasn't taken place regarding availability?

If you separate the bile and the bitterness from your post, you don't really have that much to say, do you?

And still Amir Keeps. Coming. Back.

Love it!
 
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Pakistan batting is in dire straits. What is Younis Khan doing about that?

So, having watched the first innings dismissals, it's clear that almost all the wickets were 'loss of concentration' wickets, where the batsmen either played away or didn't defend properly. I didn't see any glaring technical issues, but I don't have enough technical knowledge to be confident in that claim.

If they go into the first test with the right attitude I.e. the 'get my wicket over my dead body' attitude, they may perform better. And who represented that attitude better than Younis Khan, eh!

I fully admit that I'm clutching at straws here btw
 
It seems that his highness, who has done PCB a huge favor by agreeing to play on this tour, has kept the management in the dark as far as his availability for Tests are concerned.

So we have to wait for his highness to make up his mind. Until then, we should praise him for how “he keeps coming back”.

Mamoon, the Katie Hopkins of Pakpassion :))

You just light a match and wait for the explosion with other posters getting in a huff and a puff, without even realising that you are trolling them. All this gives you prominence on the site, and makes you feel all important :)))

Nice try Mamoon but I have long since stopped taking the bait.
 
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Junaid should have been part Pakistan squad instead of Amir: Aaqib

ISLAMABAD: Former cricketer Aaqib Javed believes left-arm pacer Junaid Khan should have been preferred over Mohammad Amir for the England tour. Pakistan are scheduled to take on England in three Tests and three Twenty20 Internationals (T20Is), which will be played from August 5 to September 1. Amir was recently included in the Pakistan squad for the aforementioned tour as a replacement for rookie pacer Haris Rauf, after the latter repeatedly tested positive for Covid-19.

“The PCB and the selection committee are fans of Mohammad Amir. He is always preferred for some reason. If you compare Junaid’s performance with Amir, then Junaid is not behind but in fact better. Injustice has been done with Junaid and he has been ignored for no reason. The PCB brought Amir back after spot-fixing ban and since then he has given only one noteworthy performance, which was in the 2017 Champions Trophy final. Apart from that, Amir has always struggled since his comeback,” said Aaqib on a local news channel.

“I think he is already going for the Twenty20 International matches because he doesn’t play Tests. When you already have around 10 fast-bowlers in 29-member squad present in England, why do you need to call Amir? There is no clear policy regarding the future,” he added. Earlier this month in an interview, Junaid also rued the lack of consistent chances and support he got from the Pakistan team management as compared to his fellow left-arm pacer, Amir.

“I am not jealous of Amir. It is his luck that he got support from the team management despite not performing in 14 or 15 ODIs. Whereas I did not have the same luck, as I was dropped after not performing in only two games,” he said. Junaid made his international debut in all three formats in 2011. The left-arm pacer has represented Pakistan in 22 Test matches, 76 One-day Internationals (ODIs) and nine Twenty20 Internationals (T20Is).

https://dailytimes.com.pk/646067/junaid-should-have-been-part-pakistan-squad-instead-of-amir-aaqib/
 
From PCB:

Fast bowler Mohammad Amir has joined the Pakistan squad in Derby after clearing both Covid-19 tests.

Amir left for England from Lahore on 24 July and, as per the UK government’s guidelines, was in isolation for a period of five days during which he was tested twice.
 
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