Mohammad Amir, Junaid Khan and the wickets column, what's needed?

[TalentSpotterPk]

Following are the pitch maps of Amir, Junaid & Hasan.




Hasan heavily relies on variations so He can vary his length more than others and will still be effective plus he is more of a seamer than swing bowler. (Excellent though)




The more Amir & Junaid bowl in the 2-6meters range the better it will be for Pakistan and them and with Amir being Fast Medium He will take atleast 2-3 wickets every game. InshaAllah.



These are Amir's wicket taking deliveries when he bowled the best spell since his comeback. He took 3 wickets in 4 overs. All 3 deliveries pitched in 2-6.5 meters range.



For Junaid Khan since he is not a swing bowler predominantly and relies more on swing and hitting the deck hard so he can be slightly shorter in length than Amir but should be around 4 to 6.5 meter range.


JK here I remind you of your Best Odi spell again vs India. Look at all 4 wicket taking deliveries
Length. Even in SA you succeeded with these lengths and we won our first Odi series in SA.




Final Conclusion & Advice :

1. Amir, Junaid & Hasan currently You 3 are the best List A bowlers we have in Pakistan so be Confident, be agressive. You 3 can do it and will do it InshaAllah.

2. Hasan well done. Keep repeating what you have been doing. Love you. But want to see you become Marshall in long run for which you will have to learn outswing, gain muscle and gain 5kph. But as far as present goes keep it up Sherr.

3. Amir you bowled better in last game without having much luck but remember your best Limited overs spell in last 2 years. Almost took 4 wickets in 4 overs. Pitch it up Boy. Concentrate on slight delay in release, imparting more back revolutions. Your speed will be up by 3kph, you will get more swing and that too late swing and more deliveries will be bowled in 2m to 6.5 meters area. Amir if you bowl 50 % of your deliveries in this 2 to 6.5 m range than inshaAllah on average you will take 2-3 wickets each match. From last match Hasan's delivery to Duminy and JK's delivery to Rabada where they were dismissed should be the lengths you should bowl.


4. Junaid good comeback. You look better physically and speedwise but more improvement needed. The delivery you bowled to Morris where he was dismissed on a No Ball and Rabada's dismissal delivery are the lengths you should bowl more often. Similar lengths 4 to 6.5m gave you success in India and SA aswell in 2013. The more you hit these lengths the more you succeed.


5. Amir & JK death overs variations and lengths were excellent vs SA. Yorkers were brilliant. Bowl same lengths in last overs vs other teams too. No change needed.



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[TalentSpotterPk]

4th image Amir vs India Asia Cup 2016

5th image Junaid vs India in 2012-2013 in India

 

[JibranAnsari]

Its not really a rocket science , bowl full if you are a swing bowler. Amir needs to increase his pace as well.

 

[smarmazhar]

On a lighter note

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Its not really a rocket science , bowl full if you are a swing bowler. Amir needs to increase his pace as well.

It is not possible to increase pace in CT. Could only add 2-3 max kph if delays release. He isn't at his physical best. Niggles, cramps etc.

After CT he needs professional fast bowlers training. He needs to copy Milne, Ferguson, Cummins, Starc wrt training. Needs to put on muscle as he is too lean atm.


In Asia Cup he clocked 152.5kph but than He was fresh and had higher energy levels.

 

[Titan24]

What I have been seeing over the last few years is that our bowlers are not targetting the wickets enough anf for that they need to work on line as well as lenght.
Look at Hassan Ali, he has got 2 fifers in 6 months just because he targets the stumps regularly.
There was a reason why Wasim and Waqar used to practice by placing a single stump on the pitch and they used to hit it regularly.

 

[DRsohail]

It is not possible to increase pace in CT. Could only add 2-3 max kph if delays release. He isn't at his physical best. Niggles, cramps etc.

After CT he needs professional fast bowlers training. He needs to copy Milne, Ferguson, Cummins, Starc wrt training. Needs to put on muscle as he is too lean atm.


In Asia Cup he clocked 152.5kph but than He was fresh and had higher energy levels.

do you expect him to improve his fitness and bring back his inwing to right hander plying county games??

 

[New Yorker]

1. Amir, Junaid & Hasan currently You 3 are the best List A bowlers we have in Pakistan so be Confident, be agressive. You 3 can do it and will do it InshaAllah.

This is the problem with Pakistani selection. An 'experienced' bowler is recalled for the umpteenth
time and does just about OK. And suddenly he's the best A List bowler we have?

Better than Wahab does not equal good, I am sorry.

The record from the past two years say there are two or three bowlers in domestic A List who will
do better than Junaid.

He was lucky to be given a chance to come back but ultimately he play do little more than play a kind of holding role, which Amir unfortunately is already doing.

Hasan's performance should give selectors courage to pick good domestic performers.

 

[Stewie]

Bihar saari duaein!!



Is what's needed

 

[UN talkz]

Even if Amir doesn't pitch it up he should try more variations.... he just keeps hitting the pitch like a Bowling Machine.....
I would hav amir in the team even if he doesn't take dozens of wickets....because if he keeps doing good wickets would come... he doesn't need to worry abt it

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

This is the problem with Pakistani selection. An 'experienced' bowler is recalled for the umpteenth
time and does just about OK. And suddenly he's the best A List bowler we have?

Better than Wahab does not equal good, I am sorry.

The record from the past two years say there are two or three bowlers in domestic A List who will
do better than Junaid.

He was lucky to be given a chance to come back but ultimately he play do little more than play a kind of holding role, which Amir unfortunately is already doing.

Hasan's performance should give selectors courage to pick good domestic performers.

I had a similar opinion. I thought his knees are gone and he is finished.

He played 12 Odi's in last 3 years and averaged 57 with the ball. The main reason was poor fitness. Whenever he used to aim for yorkers he would bowl fultosses as his delivery stride, follow through all were out of order due to his bad knees.


Now his fitness is much better and hence he is improving day by day. So my analysis is based on present.


For 3-4 years Shoaib Malik averaged under 25 with the Bat in Odi's facing all teams including minnows but than He bounced back finally. One cannot remain in the past.


Until 2016 Sadaf Hussain was better List A bowler than all current Pak bowlers although his fitness was slightly above average. But in last 18 month's his fitness declined further so now you cannot say that He is better than JK, Amir or Hasan because you cannot live in past and quote those stats. Now since he (Sadaf) has put on weight and has become medium hence he will have to reduce his weight, get smarter fitter, lean and muscular to knock at the doors of selectors. If it's due to demotivation than he has Abass to look up to and again work hard.


Similarly Atif Jabbar & Ahmed Bashir haven't played List A matches for almost a year. They not getting picked for Pakistan Cup is lack of merit and justice.


But I say (Currently) than I compare them with those who have played recently and have performed. Than I can't compare them with those (Atif, Bashir, Sadaf) who haven't played recently.


For 2 years Sadaf topped National One Day Cup list. That was the time He should have made Pakistan A & Pentangular Cup squads plus NCA should have called him to work on his fitness. But Politics meant this did not happen thanks to Don Journo.


At present we discuss " PRESENT " only.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

do you expect him to improve his fitness and bring back his inwing to right hander plying county games??

His wrist position has improved in last 6 months. His inswing is fine. Whenever he pitched the new ball up he gets swing. His straighter one was an issue for 1st year as the seam didn't use to be upright but now that has improved under Azhar. Currently he just needs to give the ball more air and more back revolutions and swing will be back.


He can improve his fitness at NCA. NCA has all the facilities. He needs to follow strict sports nutrition.

 

[cricketInsight]

I think these flat pitches are holding Amir back from pitching it up but no doubt he should be doing that more in his opening spell.

 

[yasir]

One thing is clear, he is not landing enough balls in the collider (hitting top of off) to fetch wickets. He still have lot of control, you can see his channel is not all over the place, he does not give much width, which is a good thing. Part of the reason is defensive mindset, either himself or management or both. I can see management looked at him(that was hall mark of Misbah) as best control bowler, he helped them control the tempo of game rather than attack and take wickets...This is not best use of him, but knowing Misbah, that is how he operated in last 8 years, his deputies are no different. Imran never had that mentality, that's why I think we need change in attitude in the dressing room, ingredients are there, we have to go to the mattresses, no point of holding back :


Yesterday he bowled lot of yorkers and reverse swing with great control, which is again heartening to see, although dry and older wicket, helped but still you have to execute it.

 

[khurram39]

Line is more important than length.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

I think these flat pitches are holding Amir back from pitching it up but no doubt he should be doing that more in his opening spell.

Starc's 3 out of 4 wickets vs BD were pitched at ~ 3-5 meters length.


The same length that got Amir wickets of Rohit & Rahane in Asia Cup. Anyhow message has got through to him through multiple channels and IA he will improve further and succeed.

 

[KyoOne]

Better bowling coach than Azhar

 

[Abdullah]

The first few overs you have to pitch it up but as soon as you work out there is no swing you have to pull the length back, otherwise you will keep getting smacked straight.

Then its all about mixing the lengths and pace variation on occaision

 

[New Yorker]

I had a similar opinion. I thought his knees are gone and he is finished.

He played 12 Odi's in last 3 years and averaged 57 with the ball. The main reason was poor fitness. Whenever he used to aim for yorkers he would bowl fultosses as his delivery stride, follow through all were out of order due to his bad knees.


Now his fitness is much better and hence he is improving day by day. So my analysis is based on present.


For 3-4 years Shoaib Malik averaged under 25 with the Bat in Odi's facing all teams including minnows but than He bounced back finally. One cannot remain in the past.


Until 2016 Sadaf Hussain was better List A bowler than all current Pak bowlers although his fitness was slightly above average. But in last 18 month's his fitness declined further so now you cannot say that He is better than JK, Amir or Hasan because you cannot live in past and quote those stats. Now since he (Sadaf) has put on weight and has become medium hence he will have to reduce his weight, get smarter fitter, lean and muscular to knock at the doors of selectors. If it's due to demotivation than he has Abass to look up to and again work hard.


Similarly Atif Jabbar & Ahmed Bashir haven't played List A matches for almost a year. They not getting picked for Pakistan Cup is lack of merit and justice.


But I say (Currently) than I compare them with those who have played recently and have performed. Than I can't compare them with those (Atif, Bashir, Sadaf) who haven't played recently.


For 2 years Sadaf topped National One Day Cup list. That was the time He should have made Pakistan A & Pentangular Cup squads plus NCA should have called him to work on his fitness. But Politics meant this did not happen thanks to Don Journo.


At present we discuss " PRESENT " only.

If 'PRESENT' means this month it's not a very useful concept. How much better is Junaid now? I think we can see that Sadaf has lost form but his performances until 2016 were so far ahead of the rest of the pack that in the long run he remains a bowler with more upside than Junaid. Literally so in so far as he is the tallest serious pacer in the country after Irfan. And there are other bowlers who have been doing better than Junaid in LOIs in recent seasons. I don't think he's the future.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

6.5 meters. Gone

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

6.5 meters.

Gone again.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Amir, Junaid & Hasan currently You 3 are the best List A bowlers we have in Pakistan so be Confident, be agressive. You 3 can do it and will do it InshaAllah.

This is the problem with Pakistani selection. An 'experienced' bowler is recalled for the umpteenth
time and does just about OK. And suddenly he's the best A List bowler we have?

Better than Wahab does not equal good, I am sorry.

The record from the past two years say there are two or three bowlers in domestic A List who will
do better than Junaid.

He was lucky to be given a chance to come back but ultimately he play do little more than play a kind of holding role, which Amir unfortunately is already doing.

Hasan's performance should give selectors courage to pick good domestic performers.

I had a similar opinion. I thought his knees are gone and he is finished.

He played 12 Odi's in last 3 years and averaged 57 with the ball. The main reason was poor fitness. Whenever he used to aim for yorkers he would bowl fultosses as his delivery stride, follow through all were out of order due to his bad knees.


Now his fitness is much better and hence he is improving day by day. So my analysis is based on present.


For 3-4 years Shoaib Malik averaged under 25 with the Bat in Odi's facing all teams including minnows but than He bounced back finally. One cannot remain in the past.


Until 2016 Sadaf Hussain was better List A bowler than all current Pak bowlers although his fitness was slightly above average. But in last 18 month's his fitness declined further so now you cannot say that He is better than JK, Amir or Hasan because you cannot live in past and quote those stats. Now since he (Sadaf) has put on weight and has become medium hence he will have to reduce his weight, get smarter fitter, lean and muscular to knock at the doors of selectors. If it's due to demotivation than he has Abass to look up to and again work hard.


Similarly Atif Jabbar & Ahmed Bashir haven't played List A matches for almost a year. They not getting picked for Pakistan Cup is lack of merit and justice.


But I say (Currently) than I compare them with those who have played recently and have performed. Than I can't compare them with those (Atif, Bashir, Sadaf) who haven't played recently.


For 2 years Sadaf topped National One Day Cup list. That was the time He should have made Pakistan A & Pentangular Cup squads plus NCA should have called him to work on his fitness. But Politics meant this did not happen thanks to Don Journo.


At present we discuss " PRESENT " only.

If 'PRESENT' means this month it's not a very useful concept. How much better is Junaid now? I think we can see that Sadaf has lost form but his performances until 2016 were so far ahead of the rest of the pack that in the long run he remains a bowler with more upside than Junaid. Literally so in so far as he is the tallest serious pacer in the country after Irfan. And there are other bowlers who have been doing better than Junaid in LOIs in recent seasons. I don't think he's the future.

New Yorker Hope you will second me now.

 

[New Yorker]

New Yorker Hope you will second me now.

he was great this series, an unsung hero in a way, and should on the basis of this performance be in the team going forward. but i still believe there are even better bowlers in domestics, the policy going forward should be to build a bench, as someone put it. keep rotating in new players in coming series, dead rubbers etc.