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Mohammad Amir : Overrated or underachiever?

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Mohammad Amir is a strange personality in the cricketing world. He is Pakistan's most talked about cricketer for no reasons. At the tender age of 17 , he set the world on the fire but since his career hasn't much improved. Most of the Pakistani fans feels he is the best talent since Wasim Akram but his number tells some different story. My mind says he is the most overrated cricketer of all times (along with Umar Akmal and Rohit Sharma) but my heart believes he underachievers big time.
Your Thoughts?
 
It has been beaten to death on this forum.
He is a great bowler who lacks intensity and consistency. That's IT.
 
Underachiever.. he has all the ingredients to be a great bowler, action, pace, swing.
 
Highly overrated for a below average Test bowler. Even in ODIs, he is barely decent.
 
Underachiever so far. Back then had all the ingredients for a great fast bowler. Pace, swing, could set up batsmen. Has another 4 years or so to become better. Lets see.
 
I won't get into whether or not he's overrated, what irks me most about him is his habit of not even looking for wickets. Maybe when his spot is in danger he'll think of pitching it up.
 
He's overrated in my opinion. His opening spell is always great, after that he begins to deteriorate as the match progresses.
 
its a wierd one


I actually think he takes to much of the game for granted, which is amazing given his ban. When he goes for it and doesnt bowl safe lengths we have seen what he can do.


The thing though is that players are remembered most for what they win. Regardless of how the Amir story finishes no one can take away that he bowled Pakistan to two global tournmanet victories.

However, that doesn't mean he shouldn't snap out of it and perform in tests and bilaterals.
 
Spectrum said:
Mohammad Amir is a strange personality in the cricketing world. He is Pakistan's most talked about cricketer for no reasons. At the tender age of 17 , he set the world on the fire but since his career hasn't much improved. Most of the Pakistani fans feels he is the best talent since Wasim Akram but his number tells some different story. My mind says he is the most overrated cricketer of all times (along with Umar Akmal and Rohit Sharma) but my heart believes he underachievers big time.
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Amir played pivotal roles for Pakistan in both of their victorious ICC winning campaigns post-92 WC and has an excellent record in ICC tournaments - the only exception to this is the 2016 WT20 when he had just returned from a 5 year ban.

In tests - yes useless and hopeless with the kookaburra ball but expect him to deliver in England next couple of months.

But I'm glad there is an Indian fan on PP who knows Rohit is overrated.
 
Very talented and underachiever.

He is better than Hasan Ali. But lacks the motivation that Hasan Ali has.

Amir blows cold most of the times. Sometimes you wonder if he is even playing. But when he is on song, no one can Match him.
 
Mohammad Amir will go down as a great bowler, he wont have earth shattering stats but the ability to step his game up in big matches makes him a big match player and separates him from everyone else.

For example, we all know Rabada is better than Amir. But the performances Amir has already given in final of WT20, Asia Cup Final, Champions Trophy and hopefully more to come will be spoken off more regularly than any of Rabada's performances till date.

Best example will be tomorrow in PSL when Karachi plays Peshawar. We all know that Amir has been average this PSL but when knock out games like tomorrow comes along Amir steps up his game big time. If not tomorrow then I expect very good performance from him in the final. Bottomline is he is a big match player which separates him from the crowd.
 
Hasan Ali has been my favorite Pak bowler so far. Kya talent hain woh!
 
troodon said:
Very talented and underachiever.

He is better than Hasan Ali. But lacks the motivation that Hasan Ali has.

Amir blows cold most of the times. Sometimes you wonder if he is even playing. But when he is on song, no one can Match him.
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Bit harsh on Hasan Ali? I think since he started playing for Pakistan, he's been the better of the two overall.
 
Amir is an underachiever.
But rohit isn't overrated, just one knockout innings is needed to blow all criticism away. He has avg of 45 and has been consistent against aus(one of the best attacks in loi).
 
IndianFan2018 said:
Rohit any day over :amir
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Oh dear I would love you to have had the audacity to say that after he was dismissed by Amir in the first over last year and let's not forget he dismissed him 2-3 months after his return from a 5 year absence in the WT20 2 years ago when he was struggling for form and also asia cup prior to this tournament.

Rohit is Amir's bunny and that's the least that can be said. One performs in ICC events and the other chokes against quality bowling line ups
 
Too many threads on Amir. He's a good bowler. Just not as good as originally hyped. He was never going to be as good as Wasim.
 
backfootpunch said:
Oh dear I would love you to have had the audacity to say that after he was dismissed by Amir in the first over last year and let's not forget he dismissed him 2-3 months after his return from a 5 year absence in the WT20 2 years ago when he was struggling for form and also asia cup prior to this tournament.

Rohit is Amir's bunny and that's the least that can be said. One performs in ICC events and the other chokes against quality bowling line ups
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Will you swap saeed anwar for gambhir
 
backfootpunch said:
Oh dear I would love you to have had the audacity to say that after he was dismissed by Amir in the first over last year and let's not forget he dismissed him 2-3 months after his return from a 5 year absence in the WT20 2 years ago when he was struggling for form and also asia cup prior to this tournament.

Rohit is Amir's bunny and that's the least that can be said. One performs in ICC events and the other chokes against quality bowling line ups
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Graeme smith was zaheers bunny, will the saffers make a swap?
 
Both.

He has underachieved massively. He clearly has the ingredients to be a top bowler: pace, swing, seam and control. Like many have already pointed out he lacks the heart of a top bowler kind of like the opposite of Hassan Ali who gives it his all no matter what. Amir is an underachiever no doubt.

He is also massively overrated. Amir has flipped the switch on a few key occasions and the impact of those few performances has distracted many people from the fact that he has been utterly mediocre in between those performances.

So yes he is both an underachiever and is overrated.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Graeme smith was zaheers bunny, will the saffers make a swap?
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For an ICC ODI tournament yes - Zaheer was a far better player and played a pivotal role in the 2011 WC as the leading wicket taker. Brilliant display of new ball and reverse swing both at beginning and back end of the innings.
 
backfootpunch said:
Oh dear I would love you to have had the audacity to say that after he was dismissed by Amir in the first over last year and let's not forget he dismissed him 2-3 months after his return from a 5 year absence in the WT20 2 years ago when he was struggling for form and also asia cup prior to this tournament.

Rohit is Amir's bunny and that's the least that can be said. One performs in ICC events and the other chokes against quality bowling line ups
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Bro ...I really don't like this swapping imaginary things. On top of that with black history of :amir ...Even if he is better than Wasim I will never want such ones to represent Ind.

No hard feelings, just my opinion #cheers
 
He's been overrated due to his absence and has underachieved after it.
 
When he first arrived even Wasim himself called him a better bowler than himself.
Even Kholi has said that he is someone who give him hard time.
None of you are either Kholi nor Wasim.

Missing out 5 years has done Amir. Now he is just an average bowler with occasional excitement.
 
IndianFan2018 said:
Bro ...I really don't like this swapping imaginary things. On top of that with black history of :amir ...Even if he is better than Wasim I will never want such ones to represent Ind.

No hard feelings, just my opinion #cheers
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If your opinion is based on his sins then fair enough I respect your opinion but I think it should have been made clear that it wasn't for cricketing merit reasons.
 
backfootpunch said:
If your opinion is based on his sins then fair enough I respect your opinion but I think it should have been made clear that it wasn't for cricketing merit reasons.
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I thought to put that point earlier, but don't wanted to offend many here honestly :19:

On topic ..Overrated for sure.

Underachieved or not ? ... May be 5 years break broke his cricketing growth ..we will never know .. not sure about that point !
 
There is a sense of misusing these words on PP. Underachiever and Over rated.

For example Umar Akmal is an under achiever according to many. But why? After the initial honey moon period, he never flourished other than occasional glimpses of talent. People assume that hardworking is the easy part , ironically and a player screwed up because he hasn't worked hard despite possessing "talent". In my book, UA is not an underachiever. He was surely overrated and is just not good enough

Amir on the other hand is neither. He has the skills, he works hard. The issue is with his role. His consistency in bowling back of the length crap I think is on purpose to contain runs. Hasan and others have been designated the wicket taking roles. There are some theories that he still needs to.learn bowling on phattas. People ignore that he was out for 5 years. He will come good and fulfill his potential as he is willing to learn.
 
IndianFan2018 said:
I thought to put that point earlier, but don't wanted to offend many here honestly :19:

On topic ..Overrated for sure.

Underachieved or not ? ... May be 5 years break broke his cricketing growth ..we will never know .. not sure about that point !
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Says the guy who would pick a choker in Rohit when it comes to ICC ODI events against top bowling sides barring Bangladesh.

RIP Logic
 
backfootpunch said:
Says the guy who would pick a choker in Rohit when it comes to ICC ODI events against top bowling sides barring Bangladesh.

RIP Logic
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Too much chest thumping on CT final ..
:amir has not done much after his return from break apart from few here and there performances.

Rohit is not as good as Kohli..at least he is consistent in supporting Dhawan. One of the reason for Ind winning CT'2013 was Rohit-Dhawan opening partnership.
 
The people who complain about him being over hyped are the same ones who put him in the same sentence as the likes of Wasim Akram starting with the fallacy 'Most Pakistan fans...' I tell you what most Pakistan fans think; he's bang average but we can always rely on him when up against India and their star batsman.
 
He's definitely underachieved, and that's coming from someone who supported him for a long time during his absence. He's got the ability to bowl devastating spells, but he's too inconsistent. The shame of it is, he isn't limited like Wahab, he has almost every ball in his armoury, so he can bowl some absolute pearlers. But either he lacks desire or he's motivated by the wrong things. Something's not right.
 
shaz619 said:
The people who complain about him being over hyped are the same ones who put him in the same sentence as the likes of Wasim Akram starting with the fallacy 'Most Pakistan fans...' I tell you what most Pakistan fans think; he's bang average but we can always rely on him when up against India and their star batsman.
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Kohli did played well against :amir in Asia Cup !

Let's see when both face each other next time ..Who will come on top ? :19:
 
IndianFan2018 said:
Kohli did played well against :amir in Asia Cup !

Let's see when both face each other next time ..Who will come on top ? :19:
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Out of 4 Times, the contest individually has been 1-1-2.

Asia Cup: Kohli sought Amir off and was lucky on the on-field LBW call.

WT20: Kohli led his team to a fine victory with an unbeaten half-century.

CT LS: Amir walked off with an injury just when there was pressure building up.

CT Final: Amir gets out Kohli for a cheap score and has him dropped the ball before.

It's THE contest to watch in every Indo-Pak encounter for 2 years and counting.
 
IndianFan2018 said:
Too much chest thumping on CT final ..
:amir has not done much after his return from break apart from few here and there performances.

Rohit is not as good as Kohli..at least he is consistent in supporting Dhawan. One of the reason for Ind winning CT'2013 was Rohit-Dhawan opening partnership.
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TBH Rohit isnt as good as Dhawan let alone Kohli. Rohit has better all round play than Dhawan but has consistency issues and a bit of minnow bashing. When it comes to ICC tournaments Dhawan has been better than both. I'd easily swap Rohit and Amir
 
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Forget Amir fo a minute, he is a World class bowler.

How is Rohit overrated? Had he been a Pakistani and with all those double tons in ODIs he would have 10 threads created on him daily here at PP.
 
Overrated or Underachiever ...... ???????? Hmmmmmm ....... little of each ...... I think !!!!!!!
 
The burn is strong. He owned the real overrated and underachieving cricketers in the final of the CT. He'll probably do the same next year.

Amir is a good bowler and that is it. He is not the new Wasim and anyone who is upset that he isn't needs to stop being so fickle.
 
IAJ said:
Forget Amir fo a minute, he is a World class bowler.

How is Rohit overrated? Had he been a Pakistani and with all those double tons in ODIs he would have 10 threads created on him daily here at PP.
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And that does not make him overrated, lol?
 
Look beyond the stats...

Amir has done good without being outstanding. First spell usually creates chance or builds enough pressure for wickets to fall at the other end. Been very unlucky with dropped catches(our bowlers need to create 2/3 opportunities for 1 to be grasped)

I think if the early catches were taken than he would easily got another few through momentum/confidence and the Stats would look completely different...

Has anyone got stats to show theclear cut chances he’s created in test since his comeback?
 
Conclusion: :amir is

Overrated and Underachiever - when not motivated, not able to give his 100%.

Underrated and Overachiever: When facing Kohli and fully motivated, charged up !

PS: Guy who lost 5 peak years of his career, still not motivated sometimes...Can't understand the reason behind this argument :facepalm:
 
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He is bit of both. Sorry you can play me the video of Kohli's dismissal hundred times but the fact remains that his returns in all formats since his return has been mediocre. There have been players who have bowled brilliant spells in crucial tournaments in the past and Amir is not the only one who has done that. Mohammad Amir only bowls well when he is not under any pressure to deliver. The two games I remember him bowling well against India in recent times was the Asia cup game where Pakistan were bowled out for 80 and the CT final when Pakistan were defending 330+. Any other time I have seen him bowl, he looks innocuous and does not look like getting any wickets.

So he is indeed over hyped and probably the most hyped player on PP, even more than Umar Akmal was during his initial days.
 
giri26 said:
He is bit of both. Sorry you can play me the video of Kohli's dismissal hundred times but the fact remains that his returns in all formats since his return has been mediocre. There have been players who have bowled brilliant spells in crucial tournaments in the past and Amir is not the only one who has done that. Mohammad Amir only bowls well when he is not under any pressure to deliver. The two games I remember him bowling well against India in recent times was the Asia cup game where Pakistan were bowled out for 80 and the CT final when Pakistan were defending 330+. Any other time I have seen him bowl, he looks innocuous and does not look like getting any wickets.

So he is indeed over hyped and probably the most hyped player on PP, even more than Umar Akmal was during his initial days.
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Well put...Bro. annoying to hear when :amir poor performances are covered up with statements like not fully motivated, not given his 100% etc crap.

Player with less talent who gives 100% every time he wears Indian Jersey is any day on such ones :amir !

#MyOpinion
 
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Raja Sab said:
name any fast bowler who's been consistently taking 5-fers
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He does not need to take fifers as those are rare in ODIs. A top class fast bowler needs to be having the ability to consistently (At least 60% of the time) be able to give you wickets and maintain a good average and SR. Mohammad Amir does not do that his performance are probably only 10-20% of the times. The rest of the times he is lacklustre and looks like someone only worried about his economy. Amir is at number 30 among bowlers in ODIs since his return in terms of wickets picked during that time. He is at 28th if we consider just the average for bowlers who have at least taken 30 wickets. He is at 15th if we consider his economy rate. There are so many bowlers around the world which includes Hasan Ali who are doing better than Amir in ODI cricket. Why is this guy hyped so much. Yes he picked wickets in the finals, but what about other games in the tournament when Hasan Ali was the main contributor?
 
Fact that he is still part of XI itself is an achievement considering the 5 year break he had to take. That is a long disruption in one's career. Probably he would have been something else had he played all those 5 years. May be it might have been his peak. Now he is not the same. He had Asif to partner as well. Both idiots ruined their own career. They would have complemented each other and would have been Waqar/wasim pair of 2000s. Oh well. It is all to late. Both gone. One may never come back. Other one is barely holding on to his spot. But for CT final exploit Pak fans would have crucified him. It is what it is. He will end up as an under-achiever.
 
Bilal7 said:
And that does not make him overrated, lol?
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It doesn’t. He is 10 times better batsman than any Pakistani batsman currently. Do you think it’s a piece of cake to smash double tons in ODIs, we are still living on Anwar’s 194. Believe me had he been Pakistani people would do everything to defend him.
 
Michel Starc is over rated as hell If i have to go by this thread. He is inconsistant and performs once is a blue moon but that does create an impact and same is the case with Amir.

They both have the ability to create impact but are inconsistent. Rabada and Hazlewwod in tests and Hassan Ali in ODIs have been better and consistent performers than Amir and Starc but they can create and impact second to none on their day.

Teams needs different type of players to create a good combination and I dont mind having a bowler who can create an impact on his day. Also its not like he is going for plenty in matches when he doesnt create impact, he has been economical in LOIs. However, I believe Amir needs to work hard on his fitness if he wants to play test cricket regularly.
 
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IAJ said:
It doesn’t. He is 10 times better batsman than any Pakistani batsman currently. Do you think it’s a piece of cake to smash double tons in ODIs, we are still living on Anwar’s 194. Believe me had he been Pakistani people would do everything to defend him.
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Yes, people here would do just that, which is exactly what 'overrrated' means. It is not easy to score a double hundred but it is far more difficult to be an all-conditions batsman which Rohit will never become. Yet, his most ardent supporters believe him to be one of the greatest openers of all-time, which is just silly.
 
Titan24 said:
Michel Starc is over rated as hell If i have to go by this thread. He is inconsistant and performs once is a blue moon but that does create an impact and same is the case with Amir.

They both have the ability to create impact but are inconsistent. Rabada and Hazlewwod in tests and Hassan Ali in ODIs have been better and consistent performers than Amir and Starc but they can create and impact second to none on their day.

Teams needs different type of players to create a good combination and I dont mind having a bowler who can create an impact on his day. Also its not like he is going for plenty in matches when he doesnt create impact, he has been economical in LOIs. However, I believe Amir needs to work hard on his fitness if he wants to play test cricket regularly.
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Most of your points apply to Rohit as well in ODI (I'm not a big supporter of Rohit) !

But, Rohit is not spared for inconsistentcy here then why double standards?

PS: One is batsman other bowler.. gave example for match performance comparison :19:
 
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Doesn't justify his performances overall but today was one of those days where stats didn't show how clutch his performance was
 
Neither. He is among the top echelon of bowlers now. But we have to wait until his career is over to analyze his impact on the game
 
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