Mohammad Amir proving he's the leader of Pakistan's pace attack

[Hawkeye]

Amir, rightly called the go-to fast bowler.

Comes back to international cricket after a long break, and proves how he's our best pacer.

4 wickets in the first innings.

Lots more to come this series.

It's unbelievable - the amount of hate he gets from some people here, you'd think he's some Ishant, Cheema or Vinay Kumar.

Keep performing, let the haters burn with your performances.

 

[Usman Chadda]

He needs to work on his fitness. His initial spells are tremendous, then he falls away.

 

[Salman4.]

Out of form Amla, comeback Steyn and a slogging De Kock; 3 of 4 wickets of the leader of the Pakistan's pace attack.

 

[Amirforpresident]

Amir, rightly called the go-to fast bowler.

Comes back to international cricket after a long break, and proves how he's our best pacer.

4 wickets in the first innings.

Lots more to come this series.

It's unbelievable - the amount of hate he gets from some people here, you'd think he's some Ishant, Cheema or Vinay Kumar.

Keep performing, let the haters burn with your performances.

Sorry, but Abbas is the leader of the pack

 

[MenInG]

Always some excuses if Amir does well!

 

[Abdul]

Sorry, but Abbas is the leader of the pack

Thank. You.

 

[Hawkeye]

Sorry, but Abbas is the leader of the pack

Going by your username, looks like you changed your allegiance only recently.

While Abbas is good, at least in his initial few games, he was horrendous in our last series. Let's talk about him after his novelty factor has worn off and others have seen his bowling.

For now, Abbas is our 2nd best Test pacer. Let's see where he is after 20-30 Test matches.

Amir is the leader right now.

 

[Greenstorm]

Amir is shadow of a bowler to what he used to be pre-ban. There is not enough zip in his bowling anymore but still decent enough to make the playing XI.

 

[Hawkeye]

Amir is shadow of a bowler to what he used to be pre-ban. There is not enough zip in his bowling anymore but still decent enough to make the playing XI.

Agree that he's still not at his peak yet. But still our best.

We sometimes forget those Eng conditions were very very favorable to swing bowling. You won't get that again or elsewhere, so don't expect that kind of swing.

 

[Haroon786]

Amir, rightly called the go-to fast bowler.

Comes back to international cricket after a long break, and proves how he's our best pacer.

4 wickets in the first innings.

Lots more to come this series.

It's unbelievable - the amount of hate he gets from some people here, you'd think he's some Ishant, Cheema or Vinay Kumar.

Keep performing, let the haters burn with your performances.

Yep right now he is but only as long as Abbas is out of the team, which is hopefully for not very long (preferably he should be back for the next test).

 

[shaz619]

What's wrong with Ishant? He's a good Test bowler

 

[Brilliance]

Agree that he's still not at his peak yet. But still our best.

We sometimes forget those Eng conditions were very very favorable to swing bowling. You won't get that again or elsewhere, so don't expect that kind of swing.

He was lethal on Aus tour too before that Eng series. He had pace, bounce and swing that we can only dream of now that he'll get back. He even bowled one delivery at 152 or 154 kph on that tour. He isn't even a shade of that Amir now.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Not sold.

On a green pitch where almost a debutant got 4 wickets as well. Still remember his dry spells in australia and uae.


No thanks ,Abbas is the leader of the attack. Amir will become another economical bowler once the wicket becomes half decent for batsmen.

 

[Ab Fan]

Shaheen got 4 wickets as well. Pakistan are blessed to have very good bowling attack.

 

[Amirforpresident]

Going by your username, looks like you changed your allegiance only recently.

While Abbas is good, at least in his initial few games, he was horrendous in our last series. Let's talk about him after his novelty factor has worn off and others have seen his bowling.

For now, Abbas is our 2nd best Test pacer. Let's see where he is after 20-30 Test matches.

Amir is the leader right now.

Abbas took wickets in the UAE something Amir can only dream about. The only reason Abbas went wicketless is that the opposition batsmen were too cautious against him.

As for my username is concerned I might have meant Amir Sohail

 

[JibranAnsari]

Btw why isnt shaheen the leader of the attack? He got them 43/2 to 43/4.?

 

[Usman Chadda]

Shaheen got 4 wickets as well. Pakistan are blessed to have very good bowling attack.

Pakistan has been the best bowling attack of 2018. Rameez consistently reiterates this throughout his commentary stints.

Can [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] shed some light on this?

 

[Fahdi]

He's going to have to wrestle the position from Abbas. Abbas has led the attavk for over an year now and is Pakistan's highest ranked bowler whereas Amir doesn't even make the playing 11 in non-help full conditions

 

[Abdullah719]

Pakistan has been the best bowling attack of 2018. Rameez consistently reiterates this throughout his commentary stints.

Can [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] shed some light on this?

 

[Ab Fan]

Abbas took wickets in the UAE something Amir can only dream about. The only reason Abbas went wicketless is that the opposition batsmen were too cautious against him.

As for my username is concerned I might have meant Amir Sohail

Interesting. Many get confused by my username as well. It can mean Allan Border as well

 

[Gullycricket]

Amir-Bas naam hi kaafi hai

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Amir has cut down on his pace considerably since coming back to international cricket.

His pace over the first innings has been 133-136kph where as Shaheen and Hasan have been around 140kph.

His fitness levels I've always said aren't going to be great until he actually works fully on it and on his body.

 

[New Yorker]

Amir, rightly called the go-to fast bowler.

Comes back to international cricket after a long break, and proves how he's our best pacer.

4 wickets in the first innings.

Lots more to come this series.

It's unbelievable - the amount of hate he gets from some people here, you'd think he's some Ishant, Cheema or Vinay Kumar.

Keep performing, let the haters burn with your performances.

Right, Amir averaging 30 in Tests and ranked 36 in the world is the leader of our attack, not Abbas averaging 16 and ranked 4.

Did you ever bother to check Ishant's stats for South Africa,let alone do a comparison between him and Amir's performance over the past year or so?

Can't wait for more brilliant analysis in this vein.

 

[Salman4.]

Since 2015,
Abbas has 4 5-wicket hauls playing only test cricket.
Amir has 1 5-wicket haul in all three formats.

You got your leader right.

 

[Hawkeye]

Abbas took wickets in the UAE something Amir can only dream about. The only reason Abbas went wicketless is that the opposition batsmen were too cautious against him.

As for my username is concerned I might have meant Amir Sohail

Right, Amir averaging 30 in Tests and ranked 36 in the world is the leader of our attack, not Abbas averaging 16 and ranked 4.

Did you ever bother to check Ishant's stats for South Africa,let alone do a comparison between him and Amir's performance over the past year or so?

Can't wait for more brilliant analysis in this vein.

Many decent new bowlers will have such figures in the start.

It's about maintaining your performances, once novelty wears off. You two don't seem to understand this.

He just had a really poor last Test series, the entire series. And, he'll have more bad series too. And good ones. I hope he has more good ones than the bad ones!

So, he can be a candidate for leader of the pace attack after 2-3 years have passed. Judging his quality at that time.

Right now, it's Amir.

 

[aukhan]

Will believe this when he delivers consistently. Abbas is the leader atm.

 

[spiderreddy]

Amir, rightly called the go-to fast bowler.

Comes back to international cricket after a long break, and proves how he's our best pacer.

4 wickets in the first innings.

Lots more to come this series.

It's unbelievable - the amount of hate he gets from some people here, you'd think he's some Ishant, Cheema or Vinay Kumar.

Keep performing, let the haters burn with your performances.

Ishant has taken 38 wks at an avg of 21 in 2018

 

[rhony]

The champion is back. I always said "once a champion, always a champion". Hopefully Abbas will be back in the second test to partner Amir.

 

[BreadPakoda]

How can he lead a pace attack when he doesn’t have any pace? Grunting and panting to bowl late 120kph thunder bolts.

 

[Mamoon]

He is not fit enough for Test cricket. I think it will be best for both Pakistan and him if he focuses on Limited Overs.

 

[aukhan]

There you go. The highly inconsistent Amir.

Abbas is our current leader in Test cricket.

 

[Khwaja78]

Amir looking completely toothless and out of sorts. Not a good bowler with the old bowl. His pace has gone down.

Mir Hamza would've been better than Amir. Another bad decision of not picking a swing bowler on this pitch where semi new bowl continues to move both ways.

 

[Buffet]

Amir looking completely toothless and out of sorts. Not a good bowler with the old bowl. His pace has gone down.

Mir Hamza would've been better than Amir. Another bad decision of not picking a swing bowler on this pitch where semi new bowl continues to move both ways.

Amir kept it tight and gave nothing to batsmen. 12 overs and 24 runs.

 

[Mirpur express]

He has long lost that X factor, not a strike bowler anymore so not the leader either , Abbas is the man for now

 

[Mainul]

Ishant is a better bowler than Amir.
Amir has performed in only one innings, it's premature call.
Abbas will lead this attack until Amir improves a lot. He is yet not upto the mark now. Did he get a 5 wicket haul in tests since his return? How many 4 wickets haul? His average?

 

[Mueez]

Expect him getting more wickets when Abbas will support him from the other end.

This series will be the rebirth of Amir 1.0.

What I saw today was the banana swing he got, getting it in to lefthander.

Seems like his stint in domestic did a great job.

Good luck champ!

 

[Rahul1]

Amir, rightly called the go-to fast bowler.

Comes back to international cricket after a long break, and proves how he's our best pacer.

4 wickets in the first innings.

Lots more to come this series.

It's unbelievable - the amount of hate he gets from some people here, you'd think he's some Ishant, Cheema or Vinay Kumar.

Keep performing, let the haters burn with your performances.

Since Amir's return

Amir - 60 wickets at average of 32.43 and strike rate of 71.8

Ishant - 64 wickets at average of 26.53 and strike rate of 57.6

Ishant is better than Amir.

 

[happydavy]

It's unbelievable - the amount of hate he gets from some people here, you'd think he's some Ishant, Cheema or Vinay Kumar.

Are his numbers any better than Ishant? This is after he has played 23 of his 34 matches in bowler friendly conditions of SENA countries. Amir is a very good bowler but nothing extraordinary as his fans would like to believe. If he doesn't get wickets with the new ball then he becomes fairly ordinary for the remaining inning.

 

[Buffet]

Since Amir's return

Amir - 60 wickets at average of 32.43 and strike rate of 71.8

Ishant - 64 wickets at average of 26.53 and strike rate of 57.6

Ishant is better than Amir.

SR of 70-80 is not a good when team depends on you to pick wickets consistently.

 

[Salman4.]

Only good to create 'pressure'.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

He wasn't enough threatening, sorry.

 

[Napa]

He was lethal on Aus tour too before that Eng series. He had pace, bounce and swing that we can only dream of now that he'll get back. He even bowled one delivery at 152 or 154 kph on that tour. He isn't even a shade of that Amir now.

He wasn't "lethal on Aus tour too before that Eng series", unless you believe having an average of 40.4 is "lethal".

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...s=1;template=results;type=bowling;view=series

 

[Pete Rose]

I think he played the role of Abbas as well as himself in this test. Someone to keep the rubs down. Anyway encouraging comeback but I would have liked a little more in the second innings as well. Hopefully we see that at Cape Town. Still wish he would run a little straighter when approaching the wicket

 

[sshakir411]

Still bowling too far away from the stumps. Needs to get closer. Has lost a yard or two of pace as well.

 

[Boi]

Has become a proper trundler now.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Has become a proper trundler now.

He can bowl 140+ constantly.
But he only bowls in lols. Don't know why

 

[ManFan]

Once Abbas comes back, I think he will be back to taking wickets since the former can tie the batsman down.

He was the best bowler in this Test match since the other two were too wayward at times in length.

 

[Abid Z]

Amir, rightly called the go-to fast bowler.

Comes back to international cricket after a long break, and proves how he's our best pacer.

4 wickets in the first innings.

Lots more to come this series.

It's unbelievable - the amount of hate he gets from some people here, you'd think he's some Ishant, Cheema or Vinay Kumar.

Keep performing, let the haters burn with your performances.

You can’t be serious man. While amir is doing ok without setting the world on fire he’s far from the leader of the attack. This attack is leaderless with everybody throwing the ball anywhich way they want. Had amir been a leader they would have stopped huffing and puffing and just bowled a decent line and length letting the pitch do the rest.

Amir’s Economy is quite good..that’s only because he bowls about 2 ft wide of off stump which most batsmen are happy to leave. In an England set up they would simply drop him for wasting the new ball. The leader of the attack needs to set batsmen up for others to take wickets or take wickets himself..he does neither.

But here’s a thought I’d really like amir to work more on his batting and keep his place in the team as the seaming all rounder. I think he has more chance of this than being the leader of the attack.

 

[Usman Chadda]

You can’t be serious man. While amir is doing ok without setting the world on fire he’s far from the leader of the attack. This attack is leaderless with everybody throwing the ball anywhich way they want. Had amir been a leader they would have stopped huffing and puffing and just bowled a decent line and length letting the pitch do the rest.

Amir’s Economy is quite good..that’s only because he bowls about 2 ft wide of off stump which most batsmen are happy to leave. In an England set up they would simply drop him for wasting the new ball. The leader of the attack needs to set batsmen up for others to take wickets or take wickets himself..he does neither.

But here’s a thought I’d really like amir to work more on his batting and keep his place in the team as the seaming all rounder. I think he has more chance of this than being the leader of the attack.

I thought Amir bowled quite close to the stumps this match. The number of times he beat Elgar and Amla, in the second innings only, he was very unlucky to not get the edge. His length needs to be just adjusted, as his line for me was perfect for this wicket. He over-compensated for the length, by adjusting his line a few times.

Other than that, he was head and shoulders above both Hasan and Shaheen in this test. Abbas is on another level to Amir though, with impeccable use of the seam.

 

[Hawkeye]

You can’t be serious man. While amir is doing ok without setting the world on fire he’s far from the leader of the attack. This attack is leaderless with everybody throwing the ball anywhich way they want. Had amir been a leader they would have stopped huffing and puffing and just bowled a decent line and length letting the pitch do the rest.

Leader is the one who's the best in the attack, the most experienced usually as well. So, he's the leader of the Pak attack.

Yes, not the best bowler in the world right now.

Once Abbas comes back, I think he will be back to taking wickets since the former can tie the batsman down.

He was the best bowler in this Test match since the other two were too wayward at times in length.

I thought Amir bowled quite close to the stumps this match. The number of times he beat Elgar and Amla, in the second innings only, he was very unlucky to not get the edge. His length needs to be just adjusted, as his line for me was perfect for this wicket. He over-compensated for the length, by adjusting his line a few times.

Other than that, he was head and shoulders above both Hasan and Shaheen in this test. Abbas is on another level to Amir though, with impeccable use of the seam.

That is true.

Thank you for the balanced posts. It's laughable to see people hating on our best bowler in this Test match. )

As for Abbas, people are kind of getting carried away by his 'new on the stage' exploits.

I've maintained that for now he's good, but teams hadn't seen him much, he was under the radar and there was no proper preparation against him.

There's one team that did prepare against him - NZ - and he went wicketless in the entire freakin series.


Of course, in SA, he will get the most helpful pitches as he can dream of, so theoretically he should get wickets from the seaming surfaces. Run through the SA side. If he doesn't, I'll be shocked.


But the thing with him is, we need a bigger sample size to term him as the leader.

Need to see how he'll react now that teams will focus on countering him. Can he counter-counter? So far he can seam the ball one way.

 

[aukhan]

Even Ishant is bowling better than him.

 

[Hawkeye]

)

So...

Where are those who trashed our best bowler, and the leader of the attack? Where's your new leader Abbas, who you elevated so high after just a few matches?

Even novelty factor hadn't wore off yet for Abbas.

cc [MENTION=133920]Fahdi[/MENTION] [MENTION=139288]Abdul[/MENTION] [MENTION=141053]Amirforpresident[/MENTION] [MENTION=134473]Haroon786[/MENTION]

 

[MenInG]

The aftermath of Amir's dismissal of Philander

 

[Hawkeye]

That's a beautiful sight.

But..

Probably a lot of burn for a certain segment.

 

[Fahdi]

)

So...

Where are those who trashed our best bowler, and the leader of the attack? Where's your new leader Abbas, who you elevated so high after just a few matches?

Even novelty factor hadn't wore off yet for Abbas.

cc [MENTION=133920]Fahdi[/MENTION] [MENTION=139288]Abdul[/MENTION] [MENTION=141053]Amirforpresident[/MENTION] [MENTION=134473]Haroon786[/MENTION]

Is this supposed to be an impressive performance? LOL

Amir bowled like a support bowler as he always does. Bowled tight defensive lines and picked up a couple of wickets. Good support bowling without a doubt. Added 2 wickets of the tail, good job at cleaning the tail I'd give him that.

Amir has the experience of two tours of Australia and 2 tours of New Zealand, he also got the experience of the warm up match and last match. Abbas is bowling for the first time on bouncing wickets and had a catch dropped and a catch overturned- twice let down by the field( and a little by the umpires)! And I'll just mention that Abbas is a support bowler as well, I made it clear he needs a pacey strike bowler as partner in my thread about Abbas and Philander. But Abbas earned the title of leader by being one of the best in the world for over a year. He'll have to fail a bit more for that title to be taken away from him. Your supposed leader doesn't even make the team in places like the UAE. Leader Ji also has less wickets than the rookie Shaheen.

Amir and Abbas both needed a strike bowler in this match and Shaheen wasn't ready for it. And all 3 bowlers Pacers needed a fourth bowler to share the workload. Hassan was dearly missed.

 

[Madplayer]

)

So...

Where are those who trashed our best bowler, and the leader of the attack? Where's your new leader Abbas, who you elevated so high after just a few matches?

Even novelty factor hadn't wore off yet for Abbas.

cc [MENTION=133920]Fahdi[/MENTION] [MENTION=139288]Abdul[/MENTION] [MENTION=141053]Amirforpresident[/MENTION] [MENTION=134473]Haroon786[/MENTION]

Praising Amir after a couple of good innings.

Trashing Abbas after 1 bad innings.

State of Pakistani fans these days.

 

[TM Riddle]

Lower order wickets mainly on a bowler's paradise. Not sold out on him.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

That's a beautiful sight.

But..

Probably a lot of burn for a certain segment.

No need to exaggerate and do chest thumping for this broken stump pic or visuals.


Lets be realistic kindly.



1. It was an inside edge.


2. It was bowled at 131kph


3. Leader of the attack bowled only 11 no balls in the innings.


4. On a pacers friendly wicket leader of the attack and 18 years old Shaheen Shah who has played less than 10 FC matches both got 4 wickets. Shaheen could have had 5 if Azhar caught Bavuma yesterday.


5. Leader of the attack (highly questionable) picks 4 wickets on a pacers friendly wicket and oppostion score 431 in response to ours 177.



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Leader of the attack is undoubtedly Mohammad Abass who is coming of a shoulder injury with minimum bowling practice under his belt post injury. Abass is rusty and not in rhythm atm. He hasn't been able to bowl like machine as previously hitting same areas over and over again. Once he gets his rhythm and length back he will inform you who the boss and leader of attack is

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Leader of the attack bowls 30 overs and takes 4 wickets. I'm impressed. Aamir back to hismatch winning ways here. Congrats brother [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION]

 

[Hawkeye]

Is this supposed to be an impressive performance? LOL

Amir bowled like a support bowler as he always does.

I see. So the person who actually took wickets is a support bowler. And the one wicketless (okay, 1 wicket) is the leader.

I've heard it all.

Praising Amir after a couple of good innings.

Trashing Abbas after 1 bad innings.

State of Pakistani fans these days.

State of Pak fans = making a new bowler still in honeymoon period our leader. He CAN be one after 2-3 years, yes.

Leader of the attack bowls 30 overs and takes 4 wickets. I'm impressed. Aamir back to hismatch winning ways here. Congrats brother [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION]

 

[aukhan]

Great effort in dismissing the tailenders. I will start rating him when he dismisses the top order batsmen consistently.

 

[PerfectionPersonified]

lol - 2 tailenders when the opposition is 250 odd runs ahead

 

[Fahdi]

I see. So the person who actually took wickets is a support bowler. And the one wicketless (okay, 1 wicket) is the leader.

I've heard it all.



State of Pak fans = making a new bowler still in honeymoon period our leader. He CAN be one after 2-3 years, yes.

Clearly you haven't.

 

[Haroon786]

)

So...

Where are those who trashed our best bowler, and the leader of the attack? Where's your new leader Abbas, who you elevated so high after just a few matches?

Even novelty factor hadn't wore off yet for Abbas.

cc [MENTION=133920]Fahdi[/MENTION] [MENTION=139288]Abdul[/MENTION] [MENTION=141053]Amirforpresident[/MENTION] [MENTION=134473]Haroon786[/MENTION]

Yes Abbas has been poor to not pick up more than one wicket but Amir has not been impressive to me either. Don't really care that he's been economical and picked up 3 tailend wickets when SA were slogging - where was he when Pakistan needed to restrict SA to below our total or to a minimal lead? No where to be seen.

Think the admins should not allow certain posters to post such kneejerk threads. Otherwise we're going to get threads propping up Shafiq after his lucky knock today.

 

[Gullycricket]

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The aftermath of Amir's dismissal of Philander

Amir is love

 

[Xoib]

Bowling ok in this series but he is not going to win test matches with this medium pace rubbish

 

[Pete Rose]

Wish he had done a little more with the new ball this series, but these are respectable returns

 

[fitCricFan]

Nothing against Amir but if he is our strike bowler, how come he was only effective against tailenders and we allowed the Proteas to score 400+ !!!

As our main/ lead bowler, I worked expect him to provide breakthroughs at the top of the innings, more so on a pitch supporting pace

His consistency as the primary strike bowler for PK has been on the decline and we can continue to see more such events, albeit occasionally

 

[Mueez]

If he gets 3 or more wickets in the 4th innings tomorrow, then he will justify his title as the leader of our pace attack.

 

[Hawkeye]

If he gets 3 or more wickets in the 4th innings tomorrow, then he will justify his title as the leader of our pace attack.

Ugh, so who else is the leader?

... I Guess Abbas who is wicketless since NZ series?.... OK, yes, 1 wicket.

Of course, in such a situation, a person who is actually taking wickets need to 'justify' being the leader. Yeah right.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Not until he starts bowling fast again he's not.

 

[TalhaSyed]

If he gets 3 or more wickets in the 4th innings tomorrow, then he will justify his title as the leader of our pace attack.

Can you please confirm what formula was used here to carry out the calculation to reach this conclusion?

 

[Khwaja78]

Wasted Pakistan's new bowl in the 2nd day twice, helped S. Africa score 431, only bowler to bowl 3 no balls.

SA tail wagged for 126 runs could'nt even clean up the tail.
Has lost the ability to swing-in to the right handed Non-effective or lethal but took 4 wickets so has given an excuse to his supporters.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Not until he starts bowling fast again he's not.

What? I remember you saying he is, in the Match Thread.

 

[ExpressPacer]

What? I remember you saying he is, in the Match Thread.

I didn't say he was bowling fast. I said he does in LOIs but hold a back in Tests.

Yes, I did say he is the spearhead but that's because Abbas is so poor. He's the spearhead by won't be a successful bowler until he gets his pace back.

 

[BreadPakoda]

And Shafiq proved that he is the leader of the batting attack.

 

[Fahdi]

Bara leader bana phirta ha jo UAE se darta ha....

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Bara leader bana phirta ha jo UAE se darta ha....

Abbas in the first innings and Hasan are failing overseas where they are expected to perform.

 

[Bewal Express]

Amir never looks better than ok. He doesn't bowl rubbish but too much of his bowling is harmless. I wrote another thread about his problem, which has also been pointed out by others and that looks to be a problem he can't eradicate.

 

[Hawkeye]

Can you please confirm what formula was used here to carry out the calculation to reach this conclusion?

I'd like to know that too. And then plug in stats of other bowlers we have.

Amir never looks better than ok. He doesn't bowl rubbish but too much of his bowling is harmless. I wrote another thread about his problem, which has also been pointed out by others and that looks to be a problem he can't eradicate.

Point is, even if you think he's harmless, he's still the best we have.

So that makes him the leader. Others aren't even matching him.