"Mohammad Asif was a complete fast-bowler and a complete cricketer" : Shoaib Akhtar

[Slog]

Quotes from Shoaib Akhtar on TV about Mohammad Asif

"I was watching old footage of Mohammad Asif and holding my head in despair; What a great talent has been lost by Pakistan!"

"Mohammad Asif was a complete fast-bowler and a complete cricketer; I have no idea what happened to him and what was done to him"

"He made fools out of famous batsmen"

"He made KP and other batsmen look like ordinary players"


Personally I loved asif. Even now every 3-4 months i binge watch Asif spells on YouTube

Such a magician he was. Like a snake charmer

 

[mz123]

Is there any hope left ?

 

[Speedster777]

Will we ever see Asif again playing for Pak?

 

[MenInG]

Great shame but he had too many issues and was unlikely to fix himself.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Is there any hope left ?

Will we ever see Asif again playing for Pak?

It's Asif competing with his own Fitness.


If he stays fit he will. If he gets unfit time to time due to age factor than he won't. Magic is still there.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Pakistan Cricket Board do not want him back it is as simple as that.

 

[Speedster777]

It's Asif competing with his own Fitness.


If he stays fit he will. If he gets unfit time to time due to age factor than he won't. Magic is still there.

If Sohail Khan and Amir can play why not Asif? Both Sohail Khan and Amir were tired out in the second innings. They were not even exerting enough force to bowl in the right channels.

 

[tahir_dj]

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his latest bowling
he still got that inswing which was clearly missing from Sohail Khan

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

If Sohail Khan and Amir can play why not Asif? Both Sohail Khan and Amir were tired out in the second innings. They were not even exerting enough force to bowl in the right channels.

This is my reply to Junaids post in another thread.


If match fit Asif wins Semifinal or QEA for Wapda than within how many days he can get Australian Visa ?

Will they give him Visa ?


You have to acknowledge that no chief selector would have selected Unfit Asif for Pakistan tour of NZ or Australia.

When QEA started Asif did not play first 2-3 matches because he had hamstring injury which he suffered during training. Than he played 2 matches and at the end of 2nd match he got a side strain which worsened by playing a 3rd match and than he missed last 3 matches.


So how is Sohail Khan's selection ahead of Asif questionable ? Yes he struggles in 2nd innings but He has been a handy number 8 in a terrible batting tail and He has 2 fivefers and 1 fourfer in last 6 Test matches.



The real issue isn't Chief Selector or team management and them not picking Injured Asif now. The real issue is PCB not allowing Asif to play QEA trophy last year when as per ICC he was eligible to play.



Note : This is coming from huge Asif Fan.

 

[Markhor]

I don't know why we need to keep lamenting the loss of Asif and how if only we had Asif we would be bowling teams out for 20.

I had a soft spot for him too but if PCB aren't going to select him due to his history then there's nothing we can do.

 

[Speedster777]

If PCB is not going to select Asif or any top performers of A tours/QAE trophies etc then whats the point of having a selection committee or any of these tournaments for that matter? For the last 6-7 years PCB has been recycling the same set of fast bowlers despite mediocre performances. You don't need to spend years to judge the quality of a fast bowler.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Asif was mighty effective on bowler friendly pitches. He was not that great on flat pitches. He was very smart but I would not call him a complete bowler. Someone like Wasim Akram or Malcolm Marshall are more suitable for that title.

 

[Justcrazy]

He was best new ball bowler in Pakistan for at least a decade.

 

[Syed1]

I kid you not Asif was in the league of Wasim in making the fool out of a batsman. I think he had the potential to be a bigger legend than Wasim. Only himself to blame for ruining his own career.

I often go back and watch Asif videos and reminisce about the golden days of Pakistan bowling. These days we have Rahat and Imran

 

[Speedster777]

I kid you not Asif was in the league of Wasim in making the fool out of a batsman. I think he had the potential to be a bigger legend than Wasim. Only himself to blame for ruining his own career.

I often go back and watch Asif videos and reminisce about the golden days of Pakistan bowling. These days we have Rahat and Imran

Same here. It is absolutely painful to watch these trundlers playing for Pak. How far we've regressed in fast bowling.

 

[Slog]

I kid you not Asif was in the league of Wasim in making the fool out of a batsman. I think he had the potential to be a bigger legend than Wasim. Only himself to blame for ruining his own career.

I often go back and watch Asif videos and reminisce about the golden days of Pakistan bowling. These days we have Rahat and Imran

lol i must have watched every wicket of Asif in Eng and Aus multiple times

 

[GLORY OF '92]

lol i must have watched every wicket of Asif in Eng and Aus multiple times

My favourite is still Karachi vs India.

Legendary bowling.

 

[Mamoon]

A complete cricketer who couldn't bat or field.

When Shoaib speaks, you don't listen.

 

[Big Mac]

"Mohammad Asif was a complete fast-bowler and a complete cricketer; I have no idea what happened to him and what was done to him"

Me neither. Can't think of a single reason why he hasn't played international cricket in six years.

 

[EliteCynical]

Quotes from Shoaib Akhtar on TV about Mohammad Asif

"I was watching old footage of Mohammad Asif and holding my head in despair; What a great talent has been lost by Pakistan!"

"Mohammad Asif was a complete fast-bowler and a complete cricketer; I have no idea what happened to him and what was done to him"

"He made fools out of famous batsmen"

"He made KP and other batsmen look like ordinary players"


Personally I loved asif. Even now every 3-4 months i binge watch Asif spells on YouTube

Such a magician he was. Like a snake charmer

Always wondered whether he was that intelligent to set up batsmen like that. I thought the swing came naturally to him and he would just land it in the right place. I mean i could be wrong and most likely i am but the only reason i am saying that is for a guy of that level of intelligence, surely he must have knows the perils of what he was getting into. What a waste of talent. I was in awe after his watching him in SA in 2007.

 

[Slog]

Me neither. Can't think of a single reason why he hasn't played international cricket in six years.

well tbf if you watch the video he means to say he has no idea what went into him to commit those acts

 

[Slog]

Always wondered whether he was that intelligent to set up batsmen like that. I thought the swing came naturally to him and he would just land it in the right place. I mean i could be wrong and most likely i am but the only reason i am saying that is for a guy of that level of intelligence, surely he must have knows the perils of what he was getting into. What a waste of talent. I was in awe after his watching him in SA in 2007.

it was very much intentional

i remember once he was setting up a batsman and the batsman got out to a loose shot before he completed the set up and Asif was disappointed lol

 

[EliteCynical]

it was very much intentional

i remember once he was setting up a batsman and the batsman got out to a loose shot before he completed the set up and Asif was disappointed lol

Ha ha. Looks like he was a bit too smart for his own good.

 

[Hawkeye]

Same here. It is absolutely painful to watch these trundlers playing for Pak. How far we've regressed in fast bowling.

Well, Asif was also a trundler.

Do you know what a trundler is?

 

[Hawkeye]

it was very much intentional

i remember once he was setting up a batsman and the batsman got out to a loose shot before he completed the set up and Asif was disappointed lol

) video or it didn't happen.

 

[Syed1]

Always wondered whether he was that intelligent to set up batsmen like that. I thought the swing came naturally to him and he would just land it in the right place. I mean i could be wrong and most likely i am but the only reason i am saying that is for a guy of that level of intelligence, surely he must have knows the perils of what he was getting into. What a waste of talent. I was in awe after his watching him in SA in 2007.

Actually some of the biggest criminals in the history of the world have been some of the smartest people alive. The only person to have successfully escaped from the Alcatraz maximum security prison had an IQ which put him in the top 2% of the world. When you are super smart you begin to think you can dupe other people and get away with it.

Asif probably thought he could get away with anything he got himself into. That doesn't take away from the fact that he was one of the smartest bowler to ever put on the green jersey (and much much better than Rahat and Imran).


See this video of Asif setting up KP:

 

[JaDed]

My favourite is still Karachi vs India.

Legendary bowling.

Was just seeing the other day

 

[Big Mac]

Always wondered whether he was that intelligent to set up batsmen like that. I thought the swing came naturally to him and he would just land it in the right place. I mean i could be wrong and most likely i am but the only reason i am saying that is for a guy of that level of intelligence, surely he must have knows the perils of what he was getting into. What a waste of talent. I was in awe after his watching him in SA in 2007.

Cricket intelligence does not equal real world intelligence. It's why we shouldn't look at sports stars or celebrities as role models. Just because they're great at their chosen craft doesn't mean they're not unscrupulous morons.

Why should you assume a good bowler is any more intelligent than say, a plumber who is equally good at his job?

 

[Big Mac]

) video or it didn't happen.

It was AB de Villiers. He got him out and afterwards he told the press he was annoyed that AB got out before he finished laying the trap.

 

[Mamoon]

I would back a peak Asif to outsmart any modern-day batsman except Kohli of today.

 

[Hawkeye]

I would back a peak Asif to outsmart any modern-day batsman except Kohli of today.

Well, Kohli got out-smarted by Anderson of all. And, James is a student of Asif.

Kohli ain't no match.

 

[EliteCynical]

Actually some of the biggest criminals in the history of the world have been some of the smartest people alive. The only person to have successfully escaped from the Alcatraz maximum security prison had an IQ which put him in the top 2% of the world. When you are super smart you begin to think you can dupe other people and get away with it.

Asif probably thought he could get away with anything he got himself into. That doesn't take away from the fact that he was one of the smartest bowler to ever put on the green jersey (and much much better than Rahat and Imran).


See this video of Asif setting up KP:

Yes, you make sense. Thanks for the video.

 

[Mamoon]

Well, Kohli got out-smarted by Anderson of all. And, James is a student of Asif.

Kohli ain't no match.

I said Kohli of today, not of 2014.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

I said Kohli of today, not of 2014.

How would Kohli know whether the wobbly seam delivery pitched on 4th 5th stump will cut back or seam away ?


Remember his delivery to Sangakara which swung away from him in Air and he was leaving it (rightly so) and it jagged back ?
Swing in 1 direction and seam in another direction.

 

[Major]

Quotes from Shoaib Akhtar on TV about Mohammad Asif

"I was watching old footage of Mohammad Asif and holding my head in despair; What a great talent has been lost by Pakistan!"

BY PAKISTAN???

IS THIS GUY FOR REAL?

Asif if himself to be blamed for his faults and actions.

 

[Speedster777]

lol some poster make kohli out to be some invincible genius seriously he's yet to prove his credentials on green tops. Asif outsmarted kevin peterson and Ponting feared to face him. Kohli would be no different.

 

[Speedster777]

Akhtar made another interesting comment on Asif that he did not appear to be a pacy bowler however the ball's speed after pitching was very fast so the batsmen were deceived by him.

 

[ahmadharis1]

I'd rather bring back Junaid Khan

 

[khiska]

In test Cricket?

No offence but Junaid Khan is not even a fraction of the bowler Asif was

 

[Syed1]

I'd rather bring back Junaid Khan

Sorry Junaid at his peak cannot even polish Asif's shoes.


Asif has been doing well in domestics and should have been on the plane to Australia in the place of Rahat or Imran, but thank you Inzi bhai.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Sorry Junaid at his peak cannot even polish Asif's shoes.


Asif has been doing well in domestics and should have been on the plane to Australia in the place of Rahat or Imran, but thank you Inzi bhai.

Syed Bro this is my reply to Junaids in another thread.


If match fit Asif wins Semifinal or QEA for Wapda than within how many days he can get Australian Visa ?

Will they give him Visa ?


You have to acknowledge that no chief selector would have selected Unfit Asif for Pakistan tour of NZ or Australia.

When QEA started Asif did not play first 2-3 matches because he had hamstring injury which he suffered during training. Than he played 2 matches and at the end of 2nd match he got a side strain which worsened by playing a 3rd match and than he missed last 3 matches.


So how is Sohail Khan's selection ahead of Asif questionable ? Yes he struggles in 2nd innings but He has been a handy number 8 in a terrible batting tail and He has 2 fivefers and 1 fourfer in last 6 Test matches.



The real issue isn't Chief Selector or team management and them not picking Injured Asif now. The real issue is PCB not allowing Asif to play QEA trophy last year when as per ICC he was eligible to play.



Note : This is coming from huge Asif Fan.

 

[Syed1]

Syed Bro this is my reply to Junaids in another thread.


If match fit Asif wins Semifinal or QEA for Wapda than within how many days he can get Australian Visa ?

Will they give him Visa ?


You have to acknowledge that no chief selector would have selected Unfit Asif for Pakistan tour of NZ or Australia.

When QEA started Asif did not play first 2-3 matches because he had hamstring injury which he suffered during training. Than he played 2 matches and at the end of 2nd match he got a side strain which worsened by playing a 3rd match and than he missed last 3 matches.


So how is Sohail Khan's selection ahead of Asif questionable ? Yes he struggles in 2nd innings but He has been a handy number 8 in a terrible batting tail and He has 2 fivefers and 1 fourfer in last 6 Test matches.



The real issue isn't Chief Selector or team management and them not picking Injured Asif now. The real issue is PCB not allowing Asif to play QEA trophy last year when as per ICC he was eligible to play.



Note : This is coming from huge Asif Fan.

Yes makes sense. I don't know why PCB was being a barrier in Asif playing domestics last year. If he had been allowed I'm a 100% sure he would have been in the side at the moment and leading the attack.

 

[Hasan123]

A Pakistan cricket tragedy is losing Muhammad Asif. Fantastic bowler could have gone down as one of Pakistans great and close to being a atg had he been better behaved.

Pakistan hasn't produced a better bowler than Asif for a number of years now. I don't know if pcb would be interested in having him as a coach at NCA, but i wouldn't mind that. Our next generation of bowlers could learn a lot from him.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

If we watch footage of Shpageeza Cricket League than we can see that Asif was bowling between 126-135 kph which means he has not lost pace and is still medium fast.

 

[PakLFC]

Asif was a career wasted for sure. He would had avoided so much trouble had he more worldly knowledge then most likely gone to be one of our greatest bowlers. A complete cricketer for me would be an all rounder who can bowl fast and bat well, for me the only complete cricketer was Garfield Sobers. Shoaib Akhter again doesn't think much before commenting.

 

[Mamoon]

lol some poster make kohli out to be some invincible genius seriously he's yet to prove his credentials on green tops. Asif outsmarted kevin peterson and Ponting feared to face him. Kohli would be no different.

Pietersen was never a better player than Kohli. He was just more destructive on his day. He was a very flawed player actually.

Asif never bowled to a peak Ponting.

 

[Mamoon]

How would Kohli know whether the wobbly seam delivery pitched on 4th 5th stump will cut back or seam away ?


Remember his delivery to Sangakara which swung away from him in Air and he was leaving it (rightly so) and it jagged back ?
Swing in 1 direction and seam in another direction.

That is why I named Kohli as the only modern day player. He is not the most talented but he is a better technician and tactician than anyone. That is why his chasing abilities are beyond belief.

Kohli vs Asif would be thrilling. Asif would outsmart him at first but you can bet on Kohli doing everything in his capacity to fight back. His whole career shows that.

However, if you think that no batsman can outsmart Asif at his peak, then that means that you consider Asif the best and most genius bowler of all time.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Not sure why neither of these two are approached as coaches or batting consultants
They both disingenuous ways of setting players up without always resorting to reverse swing and yorkers

 

[Chrish]

Time to move on?

 

[Junaids]

There should be clarity as to what Shaharyar Khan means when he says that Mohammad Asif has been cleared for selection and will be selected if Inzamam wants him.

Inzamam needs to work out for himself whether this means:

1. The purpose of Asif playing QEA is to show that his skills remain intact. HE ALREADY HAS.

2. The purpose of Asif playing QEA is to show that he still bowls at 125-132K like before. HE ALREADY HAS.

3. If the remaining issue is fitness, does Inzamam really think that a tinpot club like WAPDA can manage this better than the elite support staff with the national team?

Mohammad Asif's five lost years were his own fault, and primarily his loss.

But his non-selection now, when he has served his punishment and been cleared for selection, is Pakistan's loss, not his own.

And if he doesn't get to Australia it's going to be a cricketing disaster for Pakistan, because he alone has the skills, the cunning and the accuracy to destroy the flawed techniques of Renshaw, Handscomb and Maddinson. And I'd add Steve Smith to that list.

Expecting Sohail Khan or Imran Khan to execute those precision tasks is like asking a butcher to undertake brain surgery. It's going to be ugly, and it's going to end in tears.

 

[Junaids]

There should be clarity as to what Shaharyar Khan means when he says that Mohammad Asif has been cleared for selection and will be selected if Inzamam wants him.

Inzamam needs to work out for himself whether this means:

1. The purpose of Asif playing QEA is to show that his skills remain intact. HE ALREADY HAS.

2. The purpose of Asif playing QEA is to show that he still bowls at 125-132K like before. HE ALREADY HAS.

3. If the remaining issue is fitness, does Inzamam really think that a tinpot club like WAPDA can manage this better than the elite support staff with the national team?

And if he doesn't get to Australia it's going to be a cricketing disaster for Pakistan, because he alone has the skills, the cunning and the accuracy to destroy the flawed techniques of Renshaw, Handscomb and Maddinson. And I'd add Steve Smith to that list.

Expecting Sohail Khan or Imran Khan to execute those precision tasks is like asking a butcher to undertake brain surgery. It's going to be ugly, and it's going to end in tears.

There are two huge problems here.

Firstly, I'm not sure that Inzamam has even worked out what the questions are (listed above) let alone the answers to them.

Secondly, I'm deeply suspicious of Salman Butt's comments to PakPassion that Asif is currently out of the WAPDA team not due to form or injury but fitness (since he bowled 43 overs with a side strain).

It makes me wonder whether Salman Butt has orders from higher up.

 

[Indiafan]

Asif has taken 106 wickets in tests where he was most effective. He has dragged Pakistan's name into mud 4 times (if you ignore the small things like fight with Akhtar). That's one scandal per 26 wickets he takes. He is officially 34 years old now. How many more wickets will he take and how many more scandals? Not to mention the lovely example which is being set for each youngsters for pardoning a player FIVE times where any other country would have banned him forever after his second offence

At what point does PCB say enough is enough? There seems to be a lot of pressure to select him and my prediction is, he will be in the team soon. Now how that costs Pakistan cricket long term is yet to be seen

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Asif has taken 106 wickets in tests where he was most effective. He has dragged Pakistan's name into mud 4 times (if you ignore the small things like fight with Akhtar). That's one scandal per 26 wickets he takes. He is officially 34 years old now. How many more wickets will he take and how many more scandals? Not to mention the lovely example which is being set for each youngsters for pardoning a player FIVE times where any other country would have banned him forever after his second offence

At what point does PCB say enough is enough? There seems to be a lot of pressure to select him and my prediction is, he will be in the team soon. Now how that costs Pakistan cricket long term is yet to be seen

He won't come into the team.

He's done.

PCB have given no hint, he will be called into the team for Australia.

The squad is already chosen. If he is not called for Australia, no point calling him up for other tours.

The best chance is that of Hafeez for a call up , and that too, is a terrible idea, without knowing how his wicket taking ability is, not to say , he will take the position of Azhar opening.

Kamran and Asif coming back are just PP fantasies.

 

[kingusama92]

In his prime, he was in the upper echelon of fast bowling talent (any generation).

IMO he had the highest bowling IQ of any Pakistani bowler I've seen. Somehow, his off-field IQ was the exact opposite, though.

As for his return, it'll depend on how he does in domestic cricket, but I have a feeling he won't be returning anytime soon.

 

[abughio]

it is very nice to see many fans of asif's bowling.. at start more than aamir, i was thinking I will miss his bowling alot..

 

[yasir]

I said Kohli of today, not of 2014.

You can go back and check what Asif did to VVX, Dravid, Shewag and Tendular in Karachi test, way he was cutting the ball not on grass but in Karachi in the middle of day(not in evening)... Kohl's defense and technique is still not as good as Dravid...This was the match India had hatrrick in first over of the match, but story after 4 days was Asif!!!

He took wickets of every top batsmen he played against, most of the time in their home conditions...He played very less number of tests, but played in 5 different conditions, but took fifer everywhere and won us match(except in AUS, where he setup Sydney and we lost it for very mysterious reason)...In England he setup Cook, Strauss, KP...In SL Sanga, MJ, In Pakistan SRT, Dravid, VVX, Shewag... In SA AB, Amla, even Khallis...In AUS Pounting, Clark, Hassey...

Its still hypothetical but nothing suggested me about Kohl's technique that now he is superior from others in facing quality swing bowlers. Even against Amir in BD, he was out almost twice in span of three overs.

 

[yasir]

Asif has taken 106 wickets in tests where he was most effective. He has dragged Pakistan's name into mud 4 times (if you ignore the small things like fight with Akhtar). That's one scandal per 26 wickets he takes. He is officially 34 years old now. How many more wickets will he take and how many more scandals? Not to mention the lovely example which is being set for each youngsters for pardoning a player FIVE times where any other country would have banned him forever after his second offence

At what point does PCB say enough is enough? There seems to be a lot of pressure to select him and my prediction is, he will be in the team soon. Now how that costs Pakistan cricket long term is yet to be seen

You are over analyzing based on sentiments on PP and Pakistani hard core fans in general. Utility of Asif was for those immediate 9 test (4 ENG, 2 NZ and 3 AUS) this year. He was never on the cards for any of those. Next year onward, we will be playing in UAE, where fast bowlers does not matter that much, he is not even drafted for national ODI cup, where Salman Butt was playing (who was ordinary talent), not to mention he will not participate in PSL as well.

PCB deliberately left him back in May from the Domestic ODI cup that was televised across Pakistan, because they fear if he performed (like Amir) they will be forced to put him for England tour... Now those tough tours are over, who cares what fast bowlers to play in UAE, Pakistan is becoming more like India, where spinners matter a lot more than seamers...He still can be very useful as coach, he knows so much about swing and seam, plus the strategy that no other Pakistani bowler does. They took wickets on pace and reverse swing, he took wickets on asian wickets without pace and reverse swing and that too of top order, which is lot harder thing to do.

This is a long term problem with PCB much more than Amir and Asif, Pakistan Cricket brand in last 30 years(even more) was build around fast bowlers(its not like we did not produced spinners, we always did, but show case product was pace men), their whole product was about fast bowling, that build the fan base and kept even others (fans or viewers outside Pakistan) engaged with Pakistan. This UAE style of cricket(even though we have not lost series in 8 years) is not liked by local fans, its not exciting, win/loose in the not the whole thing, fans want to see exciting cricket, something to relate... I have said it many times, UAE brand of Cricket is death sentence to Pakistani Cricket, win/loss is secondary.

 

[Speedster777]

This is a long term problem with PCB much more than Amir and Asif, Pakistan Cricket brand in last 30 years(even more) was build around fast bowlers(its not like we did not produced spinners, we always did, but show case product was pace men), their whole product was about fast bowling, that build the fan base and kept even others (fans or viewers outside Pakistan) engaged with Pakistan. This UAE style of cricket(even though we have not lost series in 8 years) is not liked by local fans, its not exciting, win/loose in the not the whole thing, fans want to see exciting cricket, something to relate... I have said it many times, UAE brand of Cricket is death sentence to Pakistani Cricket, win/loss is secondary.

Exactly. Majority of cricket fans have grown up watching Wasim,Waqar and Shoaib etc our cricket has always revolved around fast bowling. Slow long batting innings and spinners just do not appeal to our temperament and taste. For many reasons, UAE is detrimental to the growth of cricket there's no thrill excitement whatsoever that only fast bowling can generate.

 

[Speedster777]

^ kohli is lucky to play in times when cricket is more batsmen friendly and only handful of bowlers are capable of giving tough time to batsmen. he's lucky not to face pre-ban amir and asif bowling at him.

 

[Couch Cricketer]

Actually some of the biggest criminals in the history of the world have been some of the smartest people alive. The only person to have successfully escaped from the Alcatraz maximum security prison had an IQ which put him in the top 2% of the world. When you are super smart you begin to think you can dupe other people and get away with it.

Asif probably thought he could get away with anything he got himself into. That doesn't take away from the fact that he was one of the smartest bowler to ever put on the green jersey (and much much better than Rahat and Imran).


See this video of Asif setting up KP:

Truthfully he would have got away with it. If he was doing it on his own they had no concrete evidence against him no phone calls no money etc. Got caught because of the other 2 idiots.

 

[Junaids]

Asif has taken 106 wickets in tests where he was most effective. He has dragged Pakistan's name into mud 4 times (if you ignore the small things like fight with Akhtar). That's one scandal per 26 wickets he takes. He is officially 34 years old now. How many more wickets will he take and how many more scandals? Not to mention the lovely example which is being set for each youngsters for pardoning a player FIVE times where any other country would have banned him forever after his second offence

At what point does PCB say enough is enough? There seems to be a lot of pressure to select him and my prediction is, he will be in the team soon. Now how that costs Pakistan cricket long term is yet to be seen

I'm sorry, but people need to stop libelling Mohammad Asif with imaginary past convictions. You are committing a serious legal offence, as I will now prove.

This is lifted directly from the ICC verdict which banned Amir, Asif and Butt:

page 83

225. We must also note that all three players enjoy a good previous disciplinary record.

page 86

233. The following considerations were urged upon us by Mr Cameron, counsel for Mohammad Asif, who stressed Mr Asif's lesser involvement in the fix, the absence of any reward received by him, and his cooperation with the Anti-Corruption Security Unit. The first two points we accept.

At what point will people accept that Asif's drug offence prior to the 2007 World Cup - which was arguably aided and abetted by the PCB - actually led to no finding of guilt?

At which point will people like you accept that his guilt in the spot-fixing scandal was far less than that of Amir or Butt?

 

[Junaids]

Asif has taken 106 wickets in tests where he was most effective. He has dragged Pakistan's name into mud 4 times (if you ignore the small things like fight with Akhtar). That's one scandal per 26 wickets he takes. He is officially 34 years old now. How many more wickets will he take and how many more scandals? Not to mention the lovely example which is being set for each youngsters for pardoning a player FIVE times where any other country would have banned him forever after his second offence

At what point does PCB say enough is enough? There seems to be a lot of pressure to select him and my prediction is, he will be in the team soon. Now how that costs Pakistan cricket long term is yet to be seen

He was not pardoned. He was never found guilty of anything under PCB or ICC jurisdiction other than the spotfix. And the ICC Tribunal explicitly accepted, as I have just shown you, that

1) Asif wasn't paid, unlike Amir and Butt, and
2) Asif was less involved in the fix than Amir and Butt.

 

[Xoib]

That is why I named Kohli as the only modern day player. He is not the most talented but he is a better technician and tactician than anyone. That is why his chasing abilities are beyond belief.

Kohli vs Asif would be thrilling. Asif would outsmart him at first but you can bet on Kohli doing everything in his capacity to fight back. His whole career shows that.

However, if you think that no batsman can outsmart Asif at his peak, then that means that you consider Asif the best and most genius bowler of all time.

A peak Asif is just the bowler to pry on Kohli. Kohli likes feeling bat on ball Asif could exploit this weakness though we would mostly play India on dead tracks so Kohli may come out on top on a sporting track I think Asif will have his number. In odi's Kohli will massacre Asif.