The most underappreciated cricketer of this century

[Buffet]

I see nobody really talks about Kallis.

Most fans rate him as the top 3 all rounder to play in history of test cricket and as a top tier batsman.

He get talked less due to not being that good in ODI. He lost so many matches in ODI due to putting too high a price on his wicket. Reason, players like AB get talked more is due to being top level in both formats. You are then at center of attention for longer periods.

 

[DTrump]

Who is talking about ODIs? I mentioned Test cricket only. Kohli is obviously far better in ODIs and better overall as well, but Younis is better in Test.

It doesn’t matter if he danced or not, look at his average and amount of runs. Kohli is 36 and has less than 10k runs and less than 50 average. His Test legacy has complete gone down the drain.

The reality is that outside his 2014-2019 patch, Kohli has been a bang average Test cricketer and by far the most overhyped Test batsman of all time.

I was trying to tell why nobody really cares about Younis Khan. It has something to do with him being a one format batsman. Even there, he was only successful in a specific set of conditions.

If we take out the 2001-06 period, Ponting must average 41-42 or something like that.

Anyways, Kohli is not an test ATG. There is no debate about that. Neither is Younis Khan. Numbers matter but so does ability. YK is not Border or Waugh. His superior test numbers do not pass the smell test i am afraid.

 

[Mamoon]

I was trying to tell why nobody really cares about Younis Khan. It has something to do with him being a one format batsman. Even there, he was only successful in a specific set of conditions.

If we take out the 2001-06 period, Ponting must average 41-42 or something like that.

Anyways, Kohli is not a test ATG. There is no debate about that. Neither is Younis Khan. Numbers matter but so does ability. YK is not Border or Waugh. His superior test numbers do not pass the smell test i am afraid.

Umm yeah, that is the whole point. I know that nobody really cares about Younis which is why I consider him as an unappreciated cricketer.

 

[Mamoon]

Dancing did matter whenever he played outside Asia.

In his entire career, YK does not have a single series where he scored heavy runs consistently outside Asia. That's due to him not having skills to bat well outside Asia and dancing did not help.

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39-40 is a respectable average for a batsman who is supposedly a total failure outside Asia.

It is a far better average than the likes of Amla have at home vs teams like Sri Lanka and India.

Then you have fake kings like Kohli who is supposedly a GOAT even though he is not even good enough to average 50 overall and averaged in the mid 30s in England and New Zealand.

Younis deserves a lot more respect for his exploits in Test cricket, absolute fabulous numbers and clearly superior Test batsman than the likes of Kohli and Amla.

No one cares about your away average when you can’t even average 50 overall. This actually shows that you are harming your team by regularly failing at home.

 

[CerebralPatriot]

Sarfraz Ahmed, Asad Shafiq, Younis Khan, Josh Hazzlewood, Ross Taylor and Herath

 

[mominsaigol]

Sarfraz Ahmed, Asad Shafiq, Younis Khan, Josh Hazzlewood, Ross Taylor and Herath

Sarfi and Asad shafique shpuld be appreciated for saving that 4day test game against sri lanka.

It was a guaranteed loss but they turned it into a win.

YK is underappreciated only by Moronic Misbah fans who are just salty YK told Misbah to remove his pads in 2009 because he didn't trust Misbah to win a game and trusted Afridi instead.

As for Hazlewood, I've never heard of anyone appreciating him? Or herath for that matter?

Ross Taylor is underappreciated

 

[Rajdeep]

Yuzi Chahal is also very under appreciated. The blame lies on him too as people don't take him seriously for his clown behavior in social media but a top class spinner who is highly under appreciated.

 

[Buffet]

39-40 is a respectable average for a batsman who is supposedly a total failure outside Asia.

It is a far better average than the likes of Amla have at home vs teams like Sri Lanka and India.

Then you have fake kings like Kohli who is supposedly a GOAT even though he is not even good enough to average 50 overall and averaged in the mid 30s in England and New Zealand.

Younis deserves a lot more respect for his exploits in Test cricket, absolute fabulous numbers and clearly superior Test batsman than the likes of Kohli and Amla.

No one cares about your away average when you can’t even average 50 overall. This actually shows that you are harming your team by regularly failing at home.

Who said that YK has been a total failure? He was one of the top batsmen who had poor technique to play outside of Asia.

Away performance any day. Home track bullies dime and dozens in history of cricket.

 

[Mamoon]

Who said that YK has been a total failure? He was one of the top batsmen who had poor technique to play outside of Asia.

Away performance any day. Home track bullies dime and dozens in history of cricket.

Just like there are dime and dozen better Test batsmen than Amla who couldn’t bully either home or away

 

[Buffet]

Just like there are dime and dozen better Test batsmen than Amla who couldn’t bully either home or away

Amla bullied top teams in their den. Take that any day over home track bullies.

 

[Saurav]

Jacques Kallis easily

 

[Mamoon]

Amla bullied top teams in their den. Take that any day over home track bullies.

Another myth.

Amla averages 50+ in only two countries. No matter you slice his career to suit your bias, he comes across as a less than impressive Test batsman clearly below Younis Khan.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Who said that YK has been a total failure? He was one of the top batsmen who had poor technique to play outside of Asia.

Away performance any day. Home track bullies dime and dozens in history of cricket.

There needs to be a consistency between what is defined as home and away.

Sometimes it is SENA, sometimes it away countries, sometimes top 5, sometimes outside asia, sometimes west indies is included. The metric changes depending on the batsman being discussed.

In the case of Younis Khan in the image you posted on page 1 what is the reason to exclude India and Sri Lanka, two difficult places to tour especially when Murali was in his prime? Whereas Amla and Roots runs are included in England/New Zealand which are relatively similar conditions for SENA batsmen.

For example, if any other played had played a knock like Younis 267 to draw the series against India in India then it would go down as an all time great knock.

I dont think its fair that in one thread Hashim Amla knock in India helps his case, whereas in another Younis Khan knock in India is excluded.

 

[ethan hunt]

There needs to be a consistency between what is defined as home and away.

Sometimes it is SENA, sometimes it away countries, sometimes top 5, sometimes outside asia, sometimes west indies is included. The metric changes depending on the batsman being discussed.

In the case of Younis Khan in the image you posted on page 1 what is the reason to exclude India and Sri Lanka, two difficult places to tour especially when Murali was in his prime? Whereas Amla and Roots runs are included in England/New Zealand which are relatively similar conditions for SENA batsmen.

For example, if any other played had played a knock like Younis 267 to draw the series against India in India then it would go down as an all time great knock.

I dont think its fair that in one thread Hashim Amla knock in India helps his case, whereas in another Younis Khan knock in India is excluded.

He thought nobody would notice. Very naughty from the poster. Scoring on indian and srilankan pitches is very very tough as a touring team

 

[sweep_shot]

There needs to be a consistency between what is defined as home and away.

Sometimes it is SENA, sometimes it away countries, sometimes top 5, sometimes outside asia, sometimes west indies is included. The metric changes depending on the batsman being discussed.

In the case of Younis Khan in the image you posted on page 1 what is the reason to exclude India and Sri Lanka, two difficult places to tour especially when Murali was in his prime? Whereas Amla and Roots runs are included in England/New Zealand which are relatively similar conditions for SENA batsmen.

For example, if any other played had played a knock like Younis 267 to draw the series against India in India then it would go down as an all time great knock.

I dont think its fair that in one thread Hashim Amla knock in India helps his case, whereas in another Younis Khan knock in India is excluded.

Agree.

Stats can be manipulated to support a certain bias. This is why all records should be considered.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Jacques Kallis easily

People already held him in high regard

 

[starpain]

Ross Taylor -- nobody talks about him and his contributions to NZ cricket. Almost 9K ODI runs and 8K test runs. Carried their batting

Shane Bond -- what a talent. Would have been best fast bowler of this generation

TM Dilshan -- 10K+ ODi runs, also very good test stats

Angelo Matthews -- high averages and runs in all formats of the game and is a matchwinner. 2014 was an insane year and if it wasn't for injuries he would have surely gone down as one of the greatest all-rounders ever

Damien Martyn -- overlooked bc of Aussie's other great players. High test average, 88 not out in 2003 WC final, etc.

Junaid Khan -- spearheaded the pace attack in 2012-2013 when Pak really needed it and did a great job at it and IMO was the primary reason we beat India in their den in aane do series. Won many home and away series both tests and LOis. Also went on to win the CT'17. If it wasn't for his injuries in 2014, he would have 250+ test wickets and is the type of personality we need right in the bowling attack right now.

Tamim Iqbal -- idk what BD would have been without him, their run machine, hundreds in all formats

Mushfiqur Rahim -- similar reason ^, instrumental player for BD

Matt Henry -- his contributions often go overlooked due to Boult and Southee but he's really kept things together for NZ bowling attacks behind the scenes with some great tournament performances. 95 test wickets in 25 matches

Younis Khan -- mentioned in above posts. Simply a legend of the game who doesn't get treated as one.

Rangana Herath -- phenomenal test bowler. 400+ wickets

Solid list

I would add Graeme Swann and Gambhir to this list.

 

[starpain]

From Pakistan, Younis in Tests and Salman Butt in ODIs were always amongst runs against India.

 

[Mamoon]

There needs to be a consistency between what is defined as home and away.

Sometimes it is SENA, sometimes it away countries, sometimes top 5, sometimes outside asia, sometimes west indies is included. The metric changes depending on the batsman being discussed.

In the case of Younis Khan in the image you posted on page 1 what is the reason to exclude India and Sri Lanka, two difficult places to tour especially when Murali was in his prime? Whereas Amla and Roots runs are included in England/New Zealand which are relatively similar conditions for SENA batsmen.

For example, if any other played had played a knock like Younis 267 to draw the series against India in India then it would go down as an all time great knock.

I dont think its fair that in one thread Hashim Amla knock in India helps his case, whereas in another Younis Khan knock in India is excluded.

Well said.

Younis Khan’s 267 in Bangalore in 2005 against Kumble and Harbhajan in a must win game was superior to any innings that Amla played in his Test career.

It is also worth nothing that he was in abysmal form leading into that Test and was on the brink of getting dropped.

 

[Katwalindian]

I would also like to add Younis Khan to the conversation.

He doesn't get as much credit as he deserves. He has a solid record at home and away from home and was consistent throughout his whole career.

He deserves to be in the conversation when we discuss the truly great batsmen.

Yeah he was on level of sangakara and dravid in tests but due to this ODi performances he is underappreciated

 

[Katwalindian]

From Pakistan, Younis in Tests and Salman Butt in ODIs were always amongst runs against India.

Just like there are dime and dozen better Test batsmen than Amla who couldn’t bully either home or away

Out of peak younis khan scoring double century at Oval was a great match winning knock. Imagine this played by King kohli, everyone would have been singing his songs.

 

[Mamoon]

Out of peak younis khan scoring double century at Oval was a great match winning knock. Imagine this played by King kohli, everyone would have been singing his songs.

A great knock due to numerous reasons. Pakistan had to win to not lose the series and he struggled badly throughout the series so was under great pressure. That win also helped Pakistan to number 1 ranking.

A truly epic knock.

 

[Technics 1210]

If you are talking underappreciated then I would say Sunil Gavaskar.

First to break the 10K test run barrier. Nothing.
First to beat Bradman's tally of centuries. Nothing.
First to survive the might WIs of the 80s. Nothing.

Further insulted when BCCI gifted a Ferrari to the 2nd Indian to break Bradman's century tally.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

If you are talking underappreciated then I would say Sunil Gavaskar.

First to break the 10K test run barrier. Nothing.
First to beat Bradman's tally of centuries. Nothing.
First to survive the might WIs of the 80s. Nothing.

Further insulted when BCCI gifted a Ferrari to the 2nd Indian to break Bradman's century tally.

Yes. Faced and excelled against the pace battery of the Mighty Windies without a helmet. Should be appreciated more to be honest.

 

[Ab Fan]

Kohli is better test batsman than both YK and Amla who have cashed in heavily on flat pitches. Kohli’s SWENA record > YK SWENA record.

 

[Ab Fan]

Amla at his prime has won test series against an ATG England side led by bowling attack of Anderson and Broad who have built a legacy via their bucketload of wickets in home conditions. Amla scored some 600 runs in a 3 test series against this ATG calibre bowling attack who also had the support of a strong batting lineup.

This is a massive achievement and anyone denying it has probably not watched cricket during his time or acting absolutely clueless. Nobody has helped Amla more than England themselves

 

[hafizexpress]

Solid list

I would add Graeme Swann and Gambhir to this list.

Solid additions

 

[mominsaigol]

Kohli is better test batsman than both YK and Amla who have cashed in heavily on flat pitches. Kohli’s SWENA record > YK SWENA record.

Lol, UAE pitches are literally more spin friendly then what pakistan has currently doctored with a 10 day pitch.

The likes of root, Brooks, duckett and everyone from pakistan are struggling more heavily.

Kohli would have cremated on such pitches as Indian pitches heavily favour the likes of 2 Indian spinners who India themselves are too afraid to take on away tours as well as overglorifying mediocre spinners like kumble giving him 600 wickets.

No one asked Kohli to fall below a 50 avg compared to YK who even late in his career maintained it and no one asked Kohli to ve a failure in test for more them a decade.

I've been watching Kohli's test career and he sucked in the beginning, Hit his purple or golden run whatever you want to call it and faded away quickly.

It is a fact Indians overglorify their players such as Kohli, Laxman, Dhoni who ironically has less overseas centuries then Ashwin .

For example Steve Smith 211 which wasn't only match winning but saved the game from a certified loss with smith having to bat with tail enders to get their is bigger then anything kohli has ever done which includes his golden days in test.

Yet I have hardly seen anyone talk about this innings, infact I had to mention it and then Indian posters looked it up and started to agree with me.

Had kohli done this, A war of hype would have followed.

Kohli is now rubbish in t20 and was forced to retire after botching an entire cup and luckily managed to tuk tuk perform in one game which happened to be a final.

Kohli has been rubbish for half a decade in test which YK wasn't.

You lot need to stop using this overseas, Flat pitch or whatever narratives, Their is no excuse for Kohli to fail for half a decade.

What disgusts me the most is that if this was a non Indian or pakistani player who did this you lot would have torn them apart, but for kohli narratives must follow.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Junaid Khan is one of those guys who was never appreciated for his services. He was sidelined for no apparent reason and was never allowed to make a comeback.

 

[Ab Fan]

Lol, UAE pitches are literally more spin friendly then what pakistan has currently doctored with a 10 day pitch.

The likes of root, Brooks, duckett and everyone from pakistan are struggling more heavily.

Kohli would have cremated on such pitches as Indian pitches heavily favour the likes of 2 Indian spinners who India themselves are too afraid to take on away tours as well as overglorifying mediocre spinners like kumble giving him 600 wickets.

No one asked Kohli to fall below a 50 avg compared to YK who even late in his career maintained it and no one asked Kohli to ve a failure in test for more them a decade.

I've been watching Kohli's test career and he sucked in the beginning, Hit his purple or golden run whatever you want to call it and faded away quickly.

It is a fact Indians overglorify their players such as Kohli, Laxman, Dhoni who ironically has less overseas centuries then Ashwin .

For example Steve Smith 211 which wasn't only match winning but saved the game from a certified loss with smith having to bat with tail enders to get their is bigger then anything kohli has ever done which includes his golden days in test.

Yet I have hardly seen anyone talk about this innings, infact I had to mention it and then Indian posters looked it up and started to agree with me.

Had kohli done this, A war of hype would have followed.

Kohli is now rubbish in t20 and was forced to retire after botching an entire cup and luckily managed to tuk tuk perform in one game which happened to be a final.

Kohli has been rubbish for half a decade in test which YK wasn't.

You lot need to stop using this overseas, Flat pitch or whatever narratives, Their is no excuse for Kohli to fail for half a decade.

What disgusts me the most is that if this was a non Indian or pakistani player who did this you lot would have torn them apart, but for kohli narratives must follow.

AB de Villiers averages 100+ in UAE, never heard anyone say he is a great player of spin.

 

[mominsaigol]

AB de Villiers averages 100+ in UAE, never heard anyone say he is a great player of spin.

De villers is a great player regardless. He's an atg and he wouldn't be avg 50+ with 100+ sr if he was an avg player of spin.

 

[Hitman]

If you are talking underappreciated then I would say Sunil Gavaskar.

First to break the 10K test run barrier. Nothing.
First to beat Bradman's tally of centuries. Nothing.
First to survive the might WIs of the 80s. Nothing.

Further insulted when BCCI gifted a Ferrari to the 2nd Indian to break Bradman's century tally.

Are you sure it's the BCCI who gifted the Ferrari?

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Mohammad Amir. Almost as good as someone like Venkatesh Prasad. If only he didn't decide to sell off his team in 2010, he would have probably been as appreciated as Prasad.

LoL, Prasad was never appreciated except when he got Amir Sohail's wicket(Quarter final 1996) . Balaji actually got more appreciation than Prasad.

 

[Technics 1210]

Is this the same Abraham Benjamin who made a name in IPL pyjama cricket while running away from national duties?

The same Abraham Benjamin who who claimed IPL was bigger than the world cup only to beg for inclusion following his decision not to represent his nation in the WC?

The same Abraham Benjamin who never won squat for his country but played his heart out for the IPL cheer leaders?

If yes, he must never be mentioned in any form of international cricket debate.

Come to think if it, did he win any trophy with his IPL franchise?

 

[Katwalindian]

Younis Khan.

Far better Test batsman than Kohli and Rohit but never gets talked about as much as he deserves.

Lol rohit the test batsman should not be in same sentence as yk the test batsman.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Nathan Bracken.. he was one of the most accurate bowler after McGrath but unfortunately couldnt prolong his career.

 

[sweep_shot]

A few more names I want to add:

Scott Styris
Mohammad Sami
Brendan Taylor
Sharjeel Khan
Nasir Jamshed
Jacob Oram.

 

[BouncerGuy]

What about Dinesh Karthik??

Despite his consistent performances in domestic cricket and his ability to deliver under pressure, he hasn't always received the recognition he deserves at the international level

 

[Hyder]

George bailey
Yasir Shah
Herath