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"Mohammad Hafeez has achieved nothing in his career despite playing for a long time" : Tanvir Ahmed

Tanvir Ahmed on his YouTube channel:

"A few days ago, Mohammad Hafeez said something. He said something against Sharjeel Khan's possible comeback in the team, that he shouldn't return, because of what happened in PSL and his ban.

"He said the same thing about Amir when he was coming back to the team and said that players shouldn't be selected for the Pakistan team if they have spoiled the country's name or done spot/match-fixing.

"Once he said he doesn't want to play in the team if Amir comes back. He said something similar about Sharjeel. He didn't say I don't want to play with him but he said such players shouldn't be in the team.

"My question to Hafeez sahab is: What are you? Who are you? Are you PCB? Is everything in your hand? What do you think of yourself? I don't understand all these senior players. They could never become super stars or star players but they come on TV and think that they can say anything on TV because they have played for 12 years.

"I don't understand how centrally contracted players come and say whatever they want. I'm not talking about Hafeez but other players come and say whatever they want, if they have played cricket for a few years.

"Who allows these people to say such things? I want to say to Hafeez, bhaijaan, this isn't your forte, to come and talk about other players and say who should and shouldn't be selected.

"First focus on your performances. You have played cricket for so long, at least tell us that you are really a big name of Pakistan cricket. I don't believe that you are. But at least tell us that yourself.

"After playing for Pakistan for so long, you haven't achieved anything for Pakistan. At least you should have made a name for yourself after playing cricket for so long. In other countries, if a player plays for so long, he has value.

"Even now when you guys come to bat, we are worried whether you will make runs or not.

"So I think you should focus on yourself. If you get selected, fine; if you don't, no problem.

"This is why Wasim Khan said that you should mind your own business. He is completely right, you should worry about yourself and you don't need to comment on others.

"If you're feeling bad, leave the Pakistan team. Anyway, you shouldn't be selected for the Pakistan team. Even if you are selected, I think it will be wrong. Everyone saw how you performed in the whole PSL.

"So such talk is not your responsibility. Wasim Khan did well to reply to Hafeez. My request is to all players, whether they are contracted or not, to refrain from such comments. And if they do, PCB should ban them or fine them, that next time they don't do something like this again.

"Someone comes and says I want to play in the World Cup, someone says I want to play for this long, someone says I want to play for 10 years. I don't understand this. If Amir and Salman Butt can play cricket, Sharjeel Khan can also."
 
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Who is Tanvir ahmed to question others contribution in International cricket.The guy was bowling 115kph in southafrica.
 
ammar_merry said:
Who is Tanvir ahmed to question others contribution in International cricket.The guy was bowling 115kph in southafrica.
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He has done more than Hafeez by being an important member of our last test series win in SENA, in NZ 2011.
 
Well... someone had to say in the cricketing world despite us on Pakpassion saying for years.
 
Lol dont blame this guy after all he is trying very hard to make a TV career for himself.
 
Spot on. Hafeez has milked the Pakistan team for more than a decade. He’s a total failure and will never win us anything.
 
No offense to tanvir, I am not even a hafeez fan, but he has won more matches for pakistan than tanvir has even played.

Tanvir has an opinion on everything, and he communicates such in a loud and obnoxious manner. By his own logic what has he achieved in his career to behave like this on youtube and tv? Was he a world class bowler like wasim ?

Yes one good point he makes is hafeez is centrally contracted therefore shouldn't have made those comments.

But attacking hafeez on his career is laughable considering his own career or lack there of.
 
Hafeez can only be proud of his performance in 2011 (probably his peak), his match winning contribution in Asia cup 2014 vs India and his master blasting in the final vs India in CT17.

He’s made some good marks but overall he’s not amazing and right now he’s just hogging a spot where it could go to someone deserving like Umar Amin, Hurraria, Muhammed harris or rohail nazir. Both him and malik are there on favouritism grounds only, if Younis Khan was coach he wouldn’t bow down to jobbers and make honest selections.
 
Tanvir being a badtameez jerk as usual. Hafeez contribution to Pakistan Cricket is far greater than Tanvir Ahmed
 
Hafeez has won more MOM than any Pakistani player post 2010

MOM in WC QF 2011
MOM in WC match against ENG in 2019
Crucial knock in 2017 CT final
MOM against AUS at MCG (Pakistan's only victory against AUS in AUS in the last 18 years)

Was Number 1 ranked bowler and AR
Most number of centuries for Pakistan after 2010

Was the best T20I captain we had after Sarfraz.

Tanvir doesn't even have 20% of these achievements.
 
Tanvir should be ashamed of himself backing a match fixer against Hafeez. Hafeez has his flaws but he helped the team many times with both his batting and bowling.
This is just rediculous The Good guys can be bashed, humiliated on tv but the fixer must be respected and no one should critisize them.
I saw Hafeez interview on Geo with Yahya he was spot on.He basically said, Representing Pakistan at international XI is a Privilege and no one whoever they are(pointing at amir,sharjeel,salman) should be given second chances by hiding under the term 'They have talent' if this happens what precedent is been set by PCB that you can do fixing as long as you have talen.
 
Rathore said:
Tanvir should be ashamed of himself backing a match fixer against Hafeez. Hafeez has his flaws but he helped the team many times with both his batting and bowling.
This is just rediculous The Good guys can be bashed, humiliated on tv but the fixer must be respected and no one should critisize them.
I saw Hafeez interview on Geo with Yahya he was spot on.He basically said, Representing Pakistan at international XI is a Privilege and no one whoever they are(pointing at amir,sharjeel,salman) should be given second chances by hiding under the term 'They have talent' if this happens what precedent is been set by PCB that you can do fixing as long as you have talen.
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The very minimum that should be enforced, is if you fix, your right to play international cricket is gone. Would serve as an actual proper deterrent to fixing, and countries aren't really all that happy having former fixers tour their countries knowing they may have spread fixing to their country in the past (or may even still do).

It's a fair punishment, and I'm not even sure the fixers themselves could really truthfully deny it isn't fair, as it still leaves them their livelihood with domestic and PSL. International cricket is a privilege not a right. Plenty of hard working, some even deserving cricketers in domestic do not get a call up, and yet we give them to those who sold their country for money? That's not fair.

It's not even the fixers fault really wanting to return to international cricket. It's perfectly logical they try when the door is left wide open to return. In some cases even the board is working with them to get them to return earlier. If you can just admit your guilt as late as possible to get the shortened sentence (which Butt, Sharjeel and Asif all did), why not do that too. I don't blame the former fixers for that. It's the PCB and to an extent fanbase fault for being lenient towards fixing. We are happy to let these players return to international fold, for a small hope of some edge in performance. It is why we have a bigger problem with fixing than any other country and will continue to do so.
 
Hafeez is a spinner and unlike this guy his delivery only bounces once before reaching the batsman
 
Savak said:
Tanvir being a badtameez jerk as usual. Hafeez contribution to Pakistan Cricket is far greater than Tanvir Ahmed
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well said.
we can criticise people, or have difference of opinion but the way we are using our language is unacceptable. we forget how to talk and we forget manners, whether its our anchor persons, sports men, politions, or scholars or us general public. Lately we are doing more badtameeze than anything else.
 
Let's see if the prof replies.

Beamer from Wasim Khan and a bouncer from Tanvir Ahmed in the space of a few days for Hafeez.
 
Pakpak said:
Don't shoot the messenger since the message is spot on.
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Absolutely this.

It's a shame it's just several years too late as Hafeez has already milked the cow dry without any big name really calling him out on it.
 
Bleedgreen4ever said:
Hafeez has won more MOM than any Pakistani player post 2010

MOM in WC QF 2011
MOM in WC match against ENG in 2019
Crucial knock in 2017 CT final
MOM against AUS at MCG (Pakistan's only victory against AUS in AUS in the last 18 years)

Was Number 1 ranked bowler and AR
Most number of centuries for Pakistan after 2010

Was the best T20I captain we had after Sarfraz.

Tanvir doesn't even have 20% of these achievements.
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Please tell me about another player who's played for more than a decade and who's list of achievements start with the amount of times they were MOM.

I'll wait.
 
As a batsman, Tanvir is spot on because he truly has achieved zilch after all those years and countless chances.
 
Tanvir Ahmed a year ago was mocking Inzamam's contribution to international cricket. The sooner people stop taking this guy seriously the better. My high school teacher in Karachi used to go to the same gym Tanvir goes to and told me that Tanvir is among the most fearlessly blunt people he has ever met but his problem is that he never admits when he is wrong and that can be very annoying and putting off for people.
 
hitthestump said:
Please tell me about another player who's played for more than a decade and who's list of achievements start with the amount of times they were MOM.

I'll wait.
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Shahid Afridi

As a LOI player, Hafeez>>>> most Pakistan players in the last decade. Babar and Shaheen emerged later so don't count. Amir too was out of most of the last decade.
He comfortably beats Misbah across almost all formats.
 
He is not that bad atleast against minnows on dead pitches. Yeah, however, he whould have been discarded a long time ago must have some connections in the higher ups otherwise he is just piece of junk like Shoaib Malik and his ilk
 
ammar_merry said:
Who is Tanvir ahmed to question others contribution in International cricket.The guy was bowling 115kph in southafrica.
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Funny you should mention the 2012-13 Pakistan tour of South Africa. It really, really does not help Mohammad Hafeez.

Mohammad Hafeez: 3 Tests, 6 innings, 43 runs, Highest Score 18, Average 7.16

Tanvir Ahmed: 1 Test, 2 innings, 54 runs, Highest Score 44, Average 54.00

I would say that Tanvir Ahmed is ideally placed to comment on what a rubbish international batsman Mohammad Hafeez was even seven years ago, at the age of 32, let alone now at the age of 39.

And let's not forget, Mohammad Hafeez has the second lowest Test batting average of all time for a top order batsman outside Asia.

There has been Test cricket for 150 years now. And Hafeez is the second worst batsman in 150 years.
 
Rathore said:
Tanvir should be ashamed of himself backing a match fixer against Hafeez. Hafeez has his flaws but he helped the team many times with both his batting and bowling.
This is just rediculous The Good guys can be bashed, humiliated on tv but the fixer must be respected and no one should critisize them.
I saw Hafeez interview on Geo with Yahya he was spot on.He basically said, Representing Pakistan at international XI is a Privilege and no one whoever they are(pointing at amir,sharjeel,salman) should be given second chances by hiding under the term 'They have talent' if this happens what precedent is been set by PCB that you can do fixing as long as you have talen.
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I'm sorry, but this post is actually libellous.

Sharjeel Khan has never been convicted in a court of law for any fixing offence.

He was supposedly found guilty by a PCB Kangaroo Court consisting of a retired soldier and a retired wicketkeeper. I'm surprised they didn't add a rickshaw driver and garbage collector to add a little more credibility to the composition of the tribunal.

But their own published report stated that there was no evidence against Sharjeel whatsoever, and they had convicted him because Sethi said that he was guilty.
 
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Saj said:
Let's see if the prof replies.

Beamer from Wasim Khan and a bouncer from Tanvir Ahmed in the space of a few days for Hafeez.
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This has been blown out of proportion. Hafeez is allowed to express his personal opinion. I agree with his view. Every player that fixes does so intentionally and taints the country's image. It is a joke to allow that same person the privelege of representing the country.
 
Sher Khan said:
This has been blown out of proportion. Hafeez is allowed to express his personal opinion. I agree with his view. Every player that fixes does so intentionally and taints the country's image. It is a joke to allow that same person the privelege of representing the country.
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Just to reiterate, no evidence has ever been submitted to show that Sharjeel Khan fixed.

Please consult this thread....

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...he-PCB-evidence-which-convicted-Sharjeel-Khan
 
To be honest Tanvir is right. Hafeez has no business questioning the team selection that too in the media. He should keep his views on these things limited to private forums.
 
If it was easy everyone would have the same amount of caps as Hafeez.

The disrespect from Tanvir, and others on this forum is simply perplexing.

To play for your country at any level, that many times is not easy. The selectors are not stupid to select someone over and over if they couldn't play.

He has been a matchwinner for Pakistan post 2010 although his time is surely coming to an end now.
 
In Pakistan, all you need is one Test 5fer or a Test Hundred to be someone.

Tanvir Ahmed runs his mouth too much. He doesn’t realise that he reminds Pakistanis of the depressing Misbah times
 
agree with Tanvir. Hafeez needs to zip it. fair enough with regards to Butt but not sharjeel who seemed to have been dealt with badly..
 
Bleedgreen4ever said:
Shahid Afridi

As a LOI player, Hafeez>>>> most Pakistan players in the last decade. Babar and Shaheen emerged later so don't count. Amir too was out of most of the last decade.
He comfortably beats Misbah across almost all formats.
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Afridi at least stepped up once to win Pakistan a T20 World Cup.

Hafeez, meanwhile, has one fifty in five T20 World Cups.

That's his legacy. A good player against the likes of Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, etc., and an occasional performer against top teams as well. Overall, quite underwhelming for a player who has represented Pakistan more than 350 times.
 
Junaids said:
Funny you should mention the 2012-13 Pakistan tour of South Africa. It really, really does not help Mohammad Hafeez.

Mohammad Hafeez: 3 Tests, 6 innings, 43 runs, Highest Score 18, Average 7.16

Tanvir Ahmed: 1 Test, 2 innings, 54 runs, Highest Score 44, Average 54.00

I would say that Tanvir Ahmed is ideally placed to comment on what a rubbish international batsman Mohammad Hafeez was even seven years ago, at the age of 32, let alone now at the age of 39.

And let's not forget, Mohammad Hafeez has the second lowest Test batting average of all time for a top order batsman outside Asia.

There has been Test cricket for 150 years now. And Hafeez is the second worst batsman in 150 years.
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Whats the point of coming up with tanvir ahmed's inconsequential 44 runs just to suit your ajenda.Tanvir was a nothing player compared to hafeez.
By this logic yasir shah century will make him allrounder.
By the way Hafeez scored a match winning ODI hundered in that 2011 nz series as well.
 
I feel like the hate on Hafeez is quite a bit overboard, to be honest.

Is he a perfect player? No. But is he a pretty solid contributor if used correctly? Absolutely. He was a great spinner in his prime and he is a decent batsmen who can contribute as long as you don't build the lineup around him. Biggest problem of his career is him playing as an opener or at #3 position for most of his career since he lacked the ability to carry an innings and often would lose his wickets in swinging pitches (and hence his numbers in Asia vs outside Asia are startling). To me, he is a player that has been miscast and misused for his career and some of that is on him as well for insisting on opening or playing at the #3 role but it is the management's job to know what is best for the player and the team.

Hafeez as a #5 or 6 batsmen with his ability to be so economical with his bowling is a pretty great allrounder. Maybe he would have batted better outside Asia if he wasn't batting in a top 3 spot and focused more on being a finisher in the middle/late order instead.

I will say Hafeez didn't live up all his potential batting wise however. Aesthetically pleasing and one of the best timers of the ball and yet he often found himself crumbling under pressure or getting out cheaply.
 
Tanvir Ahmed resorts habitually to badtameezi to stay relevant
 
Junaids said:
Funny you should mention the 2012-13 Pakistan tour of South Africa. It really, really does not help Mohammad Hafeez.

Mohammad Hafeez: 3 Tests, 6 innings, 43 runs, Highest Score 18, Average 7.16

Tanvir Ahmed: 1 Test, 2 innings, 54 runs, Highest Score 44, Average 54.00

I would say that Tanvir Ahmed is ideally placed to comment on what a rubbish international batsman Mohammad Hafeez was even seven years ago, at the age of 32, let alone now at the age of 39.

And let's not forget, Mohammad Hafeez has the second lowest Test batting average of all time for a top order batsman outside Asia.

There has been Test cricket for 150 years now. And Hafeez is the second worst batsman in 150 years.
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To be honest I’m more surprised that he’s 2nd worst and not 1st , but somehow without any statistics in the world my gut feeling about Hafeez the batsman has always been the same — he’s so mediocre and useless against anyone other than Bangladesh or Kenyan Prime Minister XI, to the point where I’m convinced that I’ve seen numerous batsmen of Pakistani origin playing Birmingham Park league cricket back in 1980s who were scoring 100s week in and week out , which I could never see Hafeez match at any level of cricket — other then maybe Argentina or Brazil’s second division of domestic cricket.
 
srh said:
he was selected very late; he was natural successor of Abdul Razzaq but pity politics did not allow him to make the team on his peak
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Natural successor to Abdul Razzaq? May I have what you are smoking please. Even a past it Razzaq bowled faster than this badtameez clown
 
Interestingly Tanvir was picked for a tour of England after one good season and a lot of pressure from Karachi media and former players.
 
A 115KPH bouncer by Tanvir & Hafeez is struggling, lmao rate Tanvir as ZERO in his analysis but have to say this was classic chittrol & Professor deserves it after a 10yr free ride.. a total besharam
 
Saj said:
Interestingly Tanvir was picked for a tour of England after one good season and a lot of pressure from Karachi media and former players.
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Is that relevant, or just meant to be jibe at Tanvir and his Karachi roots?

Tanvir was selected after a good season, he didn't do well and therefore didn't play for Pakistan anymore. Seems like standard procedure to me
 
Sher Khan said:
This has been blown out of proportion. Hafeez is allowed to express his personal opinion. I agree with his view. Every player that fixes does so intentionally and taints the country's image. It is a joke to allow that same person the privelege of representing the country.
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No he isnt Hes centrally contracted and an active player so should keep his mouth shut on selection matters
 
You guys alongside Tanveer are reflecting the sorry state state of our nation, What Hafeez has said is perfectly moral and ethical in a civilized nation and its people, what has Hafeez achieved in his career has nothing to do with his own personal and rightful opinion.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
You guys alongside Tanveer are reflecting the sorry state state of our nation, What Hafeez has said is perfectly moral and ethical in a civilized nation and its people, what has Hafeez achieved in his career has nothing to do with his own personal and rightful opinion.
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Hafeez has achieved far greater laurels for Pakistan and has greater cricketing achievements than the badtameez jerk tanvir ahmed regardless of the merit of what he said
 
Muhammad Saad said:
You guys alongside Tanveer are reflecting the sorry state state of our nation, What Hafeez has said is perfectly moral and ethical in a civilized nation and its people, what has Hafeez achieved in his career has nothing to do with his own personal and rightful opinion.
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You're missing the point entirely. The question isn't about what Hafeez said. The question is: is Hafeez, as an individual under contract with the PCB right to criticize? Clearly NO - which is why the CEO put him in his place.

Tanvir Ahmed has no obligation to the PCB and as a TV pundit is free to give his opinion.
 
coy0607 said:
You're missing the point entirely. The question isn't about what Hafeez said. The question is: is Hafeez, as an individual under contract with the PCB right to criticize? Clearly NO - which is why the CEO put him in his place.

Tanvir Ahmed has no obligation to the PCB and as a TV pundit is free to give his opinion.
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For your knowledge Hafeez is not in Central contract of PCB.
 
coy0607 said:
You're missing the point entirely. The question isn't about what Hafeez said. The question is: is Hafeez, as an individual under contract with the PCB right to criticize? Clearly NO - which is why the CEO put him in his place.

Tanvir Ahmed has no obligation to the PCB and as a TV pundit is free to give his opinion.
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And we are under no obligation to the PCB or Tanvir and are free to give our opinions on his opinion which is garbage. Statistically speaking Hafeez has done far more for Pakistan Cricket than Tanvir. Tanvir's only claim to recognition is being the badtameez jerk that he is
 
coy0607 said:
Is that relevant, or just meant to be jibe at Tanvir and his Karachi roots?

Tanvir was selected after a good season, he didn't do well and therefore didn't play for Pakistan anymore. Seems like standard procedure to me
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Not a jibe.

Just a fact.
 
ammar_merry said:
yeah Ijaz butt conspired against trio. sethi did against sharjeel,latif and jamshed. You hv history of supporting spot fixers. Infact due to PCB and our awam lenient behaviour one tainted player comes back and a new one is ready to get punished.
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How do I have history?

I always supported the official bans on Asif, Amir and Butt, I just opposed the secret and unlawful extension of the Asif and Butt bans, especially as the ICC Tribunal found that Amir was guilty of accepting payment but Asif was not.

I’ve been clear all along that Sharjeel is a rubbish cricketer. But he was banned without any evidence.
 
Hafeez is apparently writing his autobiography right now.

Good news for [MENTION=452]Majid Khan[/MENTION].

Can't wait.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Hafeez is apparently writing his autobiography right now.

Good news for [MENTION=452]Majid Khan[/MENTION].

Can't wait.
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I’m keenly looking forward to it and hoping the professor will be sending me a personally signed copy of his autobiography.

As a gesture to say thanks here’s a few suggestions I have for the title:

“Caught Behind”

“Edged to First Slip”

“Bowled”

“How NOT to bat - the official Wisden guide”

Or..

“A Century at Dhaka - The Story of a Sporting Legend”
 
Majid Khan said:
I’m keenly looking forward to it and hoping the professor will be sending me a personally signed copy of his autobiography.

As a gesture to say thanks here’s a few suggestions I have for the title:

“Caught Behind”

“Edged to First Slip”

“Bowled”

“How NOT to bat - the official Wisden guide”

Or..

“A Century at Dhaka - The Story of a Sporting Legend”
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I'd prefer: "Swinging Cherry: The Steyn of my Existence"
 
Seems that the current situation of no cricket is playing nicely in Hafeez's hand when it comes to publicity!
 
These are stinging comments by Tanvir no doubt but Hafeez has not exactly helped himself recently by running his own mouth.

Also had he the good sense to have retired already, I get the feeling he wouldn't be getting this much heat from his peers. Anyway, let's see what Hafeez comes up with next.
 
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