Mohammad Nawaz and Imad Wasim are spin versions of Anwar Ali and Bilawal Bhatti

[Hawkeye]

Pakistan deserves to be in this predicament by not valuing a champion spinner like Ajmal.

Bilal, come on now. He's finished after he started bowling legal spin.

Yes, was great before he changed the action.

 

[super hitter]

You heard it here first.

There's one common thing among all these imposter allrounders - "mediocrity". They're as much of an allrounder as Sohail Tanvir is.

Nawaz, as we saw in PSL, is someone who can't properly bat. He's extremely weak against anything above 130kph and doesn't have the power game against spinners either.

His bowling is only suitable on rank turners (remember, he's 10 levels below Asghar as a spinner).

As for Imad Wasim, I think most folks have already seen enough to say he too can't bat nor bowl properly.

We needed more of batting allrounders, and neither can play consistent cricket or give us any sort of momentum at the end.

They don't have any power game and are specially weak against pace, which opposition tend to bowl at the death.

lol, thats so true, I would've supported them if their batting was enough good, Imad Wasim is a total waste, not sure about M.Nawaz's batting since he seemed to be in a good touch against Ireland, However he still need a lot of hard work to prove his spot.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

If we talk about spinners, Asghar is a better spinner than Zafar. Zafar is 2nd.

Nawaz is nowhere in the picture and is not a good attack/econ spin option. Our management is so THICK, they ended up picking him as an "allrounder" because they think he can bail us out from batting troubles, hit big at the end etc.

What's INZI thinking?

I have not seen asghar so can't comment but Zafar was turning the ball quite a bit against england in the UAE. Also he's not your typical darter and was not afraid to flight the ball even when he got hit a bit. A brilliant young prospect in my opinion. Pakistan's spin stocks are impressive. I think young Zafar can replace Zulfi uncle in the tests against the Windies.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Pakistan deserves to be in this predicament by not valuing a champion spinner like Ajmal.

Ajmal is finished man. There's no way he's coming back at the age of 39 with a proper bowling action. You have much better spin prospects in both formats and that too with perfectly legal actions.

 

[Bilal7]

Ajmal is finished man. There's no way he's coming back at the age of 39 with a proper bowling action. You have much better spin prospects in both formats and that too with perfectly legal actions.

Bilal, come on now. He's finished after he started bowling legal spin.

Yes, was great before he changed the action.

Guys, don't misinterpret my comment. I never said anything about Ajmal coming back. He's long done.

However, the way he was treated after his most recent bowling tests, despite having carried our bowling attack for a good four or five years, was disgusting.

We were ungrateful and now we are stuck with four mediocre LOI spinners.

 

[Hawkeye]

Nawaz striking it big and clean at 50 strike rate.

Imad that day was hitting all around the park with ease - with gigantic number of dot balls.

These are our power hitters at number 6 and 7, folks!

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

Both are better than Anwar and Bhatti, in both the batting and bowling departments, rubbish thread.

 

[The_KING]

Nawaz is a decent batsman. Not sure about his bowling but he is someone who should be persisted with for the time being.

 

[Hawkeye]

Nawaz is a decent batsman. Not sure about his bowling but he is someone who should be persisted with for the time being.

Yes, if we're chasing 200-220 or scoring this much batting first. That too chasing 200 vs. spin.

Otherwise, he has no use.

 

[The_KING]

Yes, if we're chasing 200-220 or scoring this much batting first. That too chasing 200 vs. spin.

Otherwise, he has no use.

He is a decent bat. We can't keep throwing away players after just one series. That's why TTFs like Malik keep making comebacks. Nawaz should be given at least another 2 series.

 

[Slog]

Nawaz is a decent batsman. Not sure about his bowling but he is someone who should be persisted with for the time being.

lolwut?

If anything his bowling is actually at good level and he can prolly make domestic sides and even A teams just on bowling

Batting alone he might not even make domestic sides

 

[The_KING]

lolwut?

If anything his bowling is actually at good level and he can prolly make domestic sides and even A teams just on bowling

Batting alone he might not even make domestic sides

Ok, I haven't seen him bowl much. But either way he should be in for the WI series.

 

[Hawkeye]

lolwut?

If anything his bowling is actually at good level and he can prolly make domestic sides and even A teams just on bowling

Batting alone he might not even make domestic sides

Yes, he doesn't make the team on batting. Just another Saad Nasim.

Bowling one can argue - but I'd pick Asghar over Nawaz who is a far more useful and attacking option. Spins more and has a bowler's brain, shrewd.

We're playing nawaz/imad as ARs- which is destroying our chances in ODIs even more. We'll be #10.

Ok, I haven't seen him bowl much. But either way he should be in for the WI series.

He'll probably do well against WI, be in the team, and end up losing important matches in ICC tournies/CT/WC in England.

 

[Slog]

Yes, he doesn't make the team on batting. Just another Saad Nasim.

Bowling one can argue - but I'd pick Asghar over Nawaz who is a far more useful and attacking option. Spins more and has a bowler's brain, shrewd.

We're playing nawaz/imad as ARs- which is destroying our chances in ODIs even more. We'll be #10.



He'll probably do well against WI, be in the team, and end up losing important matches in ICC tournies/CT/WC in England.

Asghar maybe a slightly better bowler than Nawaz right now but it isn't worth playing him over Nawaz and lose the 20s and 30s Nawaz can offer with the bat. For a poor batting side like us that had its value

 

[endymion248]

Yes, he doesn't make the team on batting. Just another Saad Nasim.

Bowling one can argue - but I'd pick Asghar over Nawaz who is a far more useful and attacking option. Spins more and has a bowler's brain, shrewd.

We're playing nawaz/imad as ARs- which is destroying our chances in ODIs even more. We'll be #10.



He'll probably do well against WI, be in the team, and end up losing important matches in ICC tournies/CT/WC in England.

Asghar is in competition with Yasir, not Nawaz. If there is a better bowling all-rounder than Nawaz in Pakistan then sure play him.

 

[Hawkeye]

Asghar maybe a slightly better bowler than Nawaz right now but it isn't worth playing him over Nawaz and lose the 20s and 30s Nawaz can offer with the bat. For a poor batting side like us that had its value

You're again playing him as AR which is wrong and disturbing team balance. Asghar can play as a specialist bowler in place of Yasir, and we can play a different AR in place of Nawaz.

But anyway, your choice.

 

[Hawkeye]

Asghar is in competition with Yasir, not Nawaz. If there is a better bowling all-rounder than Nawaz in Pakistan then sure play him.

Yes, for a start we can give chances to Yamin, Hammad. They won't do worse.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Yes, for a start we can give chances to Yamin, Hammad. They won't do worse.

Hammad is crap.

 

[nailbiter]

Agree. Don't think Nawaz can do much


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[muqarrab]

You're again playing him as AR which is wrong and disturbing team balance. Asghar can play as a specialist bowler in place of Yasir, and we can play a different AR in place of Nawaz.

But anyway, your choice.

After watching nawaz, hasan and imad wasim bat i'll have a chuckle everytime a pakistrani cricketer will be categorized as an AR. Over last 25 years we have only had 4 genuine all rounders.... amir sohail, salim malik, razzaq and azhar mehmood. Hafeez was a bowler who batted with style but was never productive. Sohail and malik made the team as batsmen but they gave you solid 5 overs at the least of tight bowling. It would be great if we find ARs and try to build a team around them but when you don't have them your team looks like a version of engligh ODI team in the 90s, bits and pieces players. Lets just accept that we have no ARs and move on and build a team with what we have. We can still have a decent team with the nucleus built around sarfraz, amir, wahab, hasan ali, babar azam and sharjeel khan. There is no point playing players like imad wasim and m nawaz who would not give you a killer punch either with bat or ball. If you look at ARs that other teams have they can make the team as bowlers or specialist bastmen even as low down the order as 7 or 8. We have malik at 6, he is not a bastman anymore and he stopped being a bowler many years ago. Also, in modern ODI you cannot go to a match with less than 4 seamers....we are overloading on spinnners, its ok if they can play as frontline attacking options.

 

[nailbiter]

Nawaz can't even beat the circle


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[endymion248]

Yes, for a start we can give chances to Yamin, Hammad. They won't do worse.

They're not even half the bowler Nawaz is.

 

[endymion248]

After watching nawaz, hasan and imad wasim bat i'll have a chuckle everytime a pakistrani cricketer will be categorized as an AR. Over last 25 years we have only had 4 genuine all rounders.... amir sohail, salim malik, razzaq and azhar mehmood. Hafeez was a bowler who batted with style but was never productive. Sohail and malik made the team as batsmen but they gave you solid 5 overs at the least of tight bowling. It would be great if we find ARs and try to build a team around them but when you don't have them your team looks like a version of engligh ODI team in the 90s, bits and pieces players. Lets just accept that we have no ARs and move on and build a team with what we have. We can still have a decent team with the nucleus built around sarfraz, amir, wahab, hasan ali, babar azam and sharjeel khan. There is no point playing players like imad wasim and m nawaz who would not give you a killer punch either with bat or ball. If you look at ARs that other teams have they can make the team as bowlers or specialist bastmen even as low down the order as 7 or 8. We have malik at 6, he is not a bastman anymore and he stopped being a bowler many years ago. Also, in modern ODI you cannot go to a match with less than 4 seamers....we are overloading on spinnners, its ok if they can play as frontline attacking options.

If Hafeez wasn't an all-rounder then I don't know who is.

 

[muqarrab]

If Hafeez wasn't an all-rounder then I don't know who is.

How many matches did he win us with the bat?

 

[Hamza_]

Nawaz and Imad are decent. Bowling averages around 30-35 and batting 30-37 @ #7 and #8

 

[cricketInsight]

Nawaz and Imad are decent. Bowling averages around 30-35 and batting 30-37 @ #7 and #8

There is room for one of them in the team otherwise the balance is disturbed not that the Pakistan team is balanced.

For now Nawaz may even play as the specialist spinner since we dont have many options in bowling either.

 

[Zaz]

Theres a place for one of them in the team as an all rounder, someone who can bowl their quota and bat at 7-8

Someone who can avge 30 with bat and ball Hopefully they ll be given confidence and can make the place their own

 

[The_Odd_One]

There is room for one of them in the team otherwise the balance is disturbed not that the Pakistan team is balanced.

For now Nawaz may even play as the specialist spinner since we dont have many options in bowling either.

In Asia, both can play.

 

[MRSN]

Moeen Ali is bigger turner then both.

 

[fazleefridi]

Imad and Nawaz both avg good wit bat and ball as of now

And Imad looks lik a WORLD CLASS AR

BAT AVG 50+, 90+ SR
BOWL AVG <20...Haha

 

[cricketInsight]

In Asia, both can play.

The worldcup and champions trophy are not going to be in Asia.

 

[Hawkeye]

Extremely pathetic 1970s players.

WORSE than Anwar Ali and Bhatti.

 

[MRSN]

great posers of spinners must say.

 

[wasimjunior]

Extremely pathetic 1970s players.

WORSE than Anwar Ali and Bhatti.

Dude they're playing in England in September...

Both have a lot of attitude and fight so I think they are worth persevering with. Imad has scored runs and looked a real good finisher- could be our Jadeja.

Nawaz looked very good in PSL too and gets good rip, plus is very accurate.

They aren't world beaters but definitely worth persisting with imo.

 

[Justcrazy]

The worldcup and champions trophy are not going to be in Asia.

That is the point.

Need to develop bowling all rounders.

 

[Justcrazy]

Dude they're playing in England in September...

Both have a lot of attitude and fight so I think they are worth persevering with. Imad has scored runs and looked a real good finisher- could be our Jadeja.

Nawaz looked very good in PSL too and gets good rip, plus is very accurate.

They aren't world beaters but definitely worth persisting with imo.

Imad should be promoted up the order. He can be a good batting all rounder

 

[MRSN]

Dude they're playing in England in September...

Both have a lot of attitude and fight so I think they are worth persevering with. Imad has scored runs and looked a real good finisher- could be our Jadeja.

Nawaz looked very good in PSL too and gets good rip, plus is very accurate.

They aren't world beaters but definitely worth persisting with imo.

please Jadeja is a proper turner of the ball. awful comparison. Immad seems someone who is a decent batsman lower order batsman but a part time spinner. Can Pakistan afford a part time spinner?I don't think so. Not with Hafeez banned. Not with the pace options we have. not with the batting we have. We are not going to be putting up high totals so we have to make our bowling as strong as possible.

 

[Square Drive]

Lol at OP's bias.

Imad has clearly been our player of the series.

 

[saeedhk]

You heard it here first.

There's one common thing among all these imposter allrounders - "mediocrity". They're as much of an allrounder as Sohail Tanvir is.

Nawaz, as we saw in PSL, is someone who can't properly bat. He's extremely weak against anything above 130kph and doesn't have the power game against spinners either.

His bowling is only suitable on rank turners (remember, he's 10 levels below Asghar as a spinner).

As for Imad Wasim, I think most folks have already seen enough to say he too can't bat nor bowl properly.

We needed more of batting allrounders, and neither can play consistent cricket or give us any sort of momentum at the end.

They don't have any power game and are specially weak against pace, which opposition tend to bowl at the death.

Exactly. Both pairs are mediocre in their corresponding domains.

 

[Hawkeye]

Dude they're playing in England in September...

Both have a lot of attitude and fight so I think they are worth persevering with. Imad has scored runs and looked a real good finisher- could be our Jadeja.

Nawaz looked very good in PSL too and gets good rip, plus is very accurate.

They aren't world beaters but definitely worth persisting with imo.

I can understand why you'd want to persist with them - however, I personally don't see them fulfilling their responsibility, the area where we're lacking.

I.e. good quality ODI allrounders - they can't cope up with the demands of batting at #5 to #8. Don't have the hitting game.

 

[Hawkeye]

Have people realized this or not?

They cannot bat, especially, and against half decent bowling or pace bowling in general.

Pak played today with ONLY 5 bats!!! )

 

[Ahson8]

Imad hasn't done anything wrong; Nawaz is crap.

 

[Abid Z]

Imad is a good prospect. He seems to get the ball to drift in the air and I think he's quite tricky to face. More so than first appears. If he sticks to good line on middle and off I think he's a more than handy part timer. He has a range of LO shots. Little dinks behind the keeper and paddle sweeps that keep the scoreboard moving. Has power game also. The straight 6 off cummins was a delight. He needs more outings to not panic when the run rate climbs but I think he will only improve the more experience he gets. Deserves a run and appears to be a confident thinking cricketer.

Nawaz I honestly think he's one of the worst selections I've seen in a long time. Is he a spinner? A batsman, an all rounder or what? I feel sick watching him. He brings nothing to the table. Apart from 10 runs here and there and the odd wicket at 3.9 rpo on non spinning tracks outside UAE he offers nothing.

Zafar gohar looked ok in the UAE BUT ITS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE TOO MANY LEFTIES!

Why don't the management see this.

 

[ads101]

Imad's doing fine, he's actually what we need, good bowler, who is handy with the bat lower down the order.

Nawaz is OK, he has potential, but think he kind of competes with Imad for the same slot. On spin supporting pitches he could be second spinner. But I think with our weak batting line up, we need Imad to play as a specialist spin bowler so we can bat till 8.

 

[itsme]

Don't rate nawaz's bowling or batting,should drop him.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

make a pair with imad and hafeez... nawaz is just a waste of space..

 

[ExplicitAI]

Imad is actually a quality cricketer. Will trouble the best with the ball but I want his batting to take another level which he can, I want him to become a power hitter with 90+ SR. Reminds me so much of Yuvraj Singh in the way he bats but he needs to stop the pottering. Hopefully he'll work on it a bit more but he's heading in the right direction.

Nawaz was a good prospect in u19 days but he's not improving much. I honestly do not know what his strengths are but he really needs to step up his game.

 

[Kakar]

The OP said that they can't bat or bowl. Now he has bumped it and is saying that they can't bat. It's clear that Imad has proven him wrong with his bowling. In batting, he hasn't done much wrong either. Nawaz is misfit in the team. He isn't a big hitter, can't be utilised as a number 6 or 7. He isn't good enough to bat in top 5 and he isn't a good enough spinner to be in team solely on the basis of bowling. Kamran Ghulam will do a better job than him. He is perfectly suited for number 6 or 7. Both him and Amir Yamin should be in the mix.

 

[90MPH]

Leave Imad alone.

He's bowling a superb line and length and he's getting wickets !

His batting is also very decent and above all his passion and attitude is spot on.

There def needs to be changes in the team but Imad is not one of them and those questioning him are
Clueless.

 

[Cricket World]

Imad is improving in all aspects and holds his place. He should not be compared to Nawaz.

 

[Hasan123]

Imad is fine, he has proven you wrong Hawkeye bhai. Nawaz still needs time to find his feet at international. But only Pakistan would pick 2 left arm spinners in Australia. Both aren't needed in the side away from the subcontinent

 

[Hawkeye]

People didn't believe me on Nawaz.

People again didn't believe how pathetic Imad is.

Now, get these two kicked out forever, ASAP.

 

[Hawkeye]

Imad is fine, he has proven you wrong Hawkeye bhai. Nawaz still needs time to find his feet at international. But only Pakistan would pick 2 left arm spinners in Australia. Both aren't needed in the side away from the subcontinent

I'm guessing you might have changed your opinion now.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Nawaz can spin the ball, and looks much better hitter than Imad.

 

[shah_1]

He is better than Imad for sure

 

[Rayyman]

Nawaz was a beast today. He is soo good under pressure (while chasing and when Munro was batting).

Clearly the two spin all-rounders are better than Bhatti and Ali.

 

[DRsohail]

Nawaz was a beast today. He is soo good under pressure (while chasing and when Munro was batting).

Clearly the two spin all-rounders are better than Bhatti and Ali.

HAS higher ceilings than Imad far sure,

 

[hadi123]

Seems like Nawaz has changed a few PPers opinions' of him with a good performance. Maybe it's time for him to come out of Imad Wasim's shadow.

 

[ManFan]

Nawaz has surprised but he needs to be this consistent if he is to remain a permanent member of the playing XI.

 

[Hamza_]

Why not try Nawaz as opener? I believe he has played in top order and is naturally better against pace than spin.

 

[PakSarZameen]

Pakistan has found a lot of good all rounders recently, each one of them will be useful in his kind of conditions.

The issue is our batsmen

 

[Pete Rose]

Pakistan has found a lot of good all rounders recently, each one of them will be useful in his kind of conditions.

The issue is our batsmen

What if i told you, that these allrounder can bat higher if we simply drop the trash that plays in the top order

 

[Hasan123]

Good performance from Nawaz. Always said he isn't as bad as PP makes out.

 

[Markhor]

One game where Nawaz does okay and suddenly he's a beast who is the answer to our problems.

Did he look like taking a wicket the other day ? As for his batting - NZ took their foot off the gas by then, a few token but ultimately ineffectual runs doesn't make him a possible opener.

 

[Hedz]

You heard it here first.

There's one common thing among all these imposter allrounders - "mediocrity". They're as much of an allrounder as Sohail Tanvir is.

Nawaz, as we saw in PSL, is someone who can't properly bat. He's extremely weak against anything above 130kph and doesn't have the power game against spinners either.

His bowling is only suitable on rank turners (remember, he's 10 levels below Asghar as a spinner).

As for Imad Wasim, I think most folks have already seen enough to say he too can't bat nor bowl properly.

We needed more of batting allrounders, and neither can play consistent cricket or give us any sort of momentum at the end.

They don't have any power game and are specially weak against pace, which opposition tend to bowl at the death.

Yh couldn’t agree more.
Fahim, Shadab and now Hassan Ali proving to be better all rounders than those 4 and with time they will only get better
Fahim still needs an innings of substance to prove his talent, but he bowling was surprisingly better than expected against New Zealand

 

[j_kazmi]

Nawaz is definitely better than imad. With the ball he’s considerably better and with the bat he has more potential.

As for the comparison with anwar and bhatti, theyre both better bowlers and can bat slightly better than the duo.

Anwar and bhatti got smashed all over the park, these tow are fine mostly.

 

[Hamstead_joy]

There are some who just want to see Akmals, Hafeez, Butt and Maliks in the side and they make such posts to discredit the new talent.

Nawaz is years ahead, the guy is mentally tough, a left arm spinner who bowls in death overs in a T20 match. He has amazing agility as he changes his bowling length, speed according to the situation. In New Zealand he gave more air to the bowl although he bowls a little quicker in UAE. He did something your faster sensation Amir and others failed to do. Restrain likes of Guptill and Williamson. He probably the only one who bowled the most amount of dot balls in the otherwise forgettable NZ series. He is a proper LOI batsman and can serve as a great no.6-7 option for Pakistan. As what biased selectors do they selected him in the wrong format [Tests] to see him fail.

The best part about Nawaz is his fielding, which ever match he plays as substitute or part of XI there is a runout and a catch in his name. Comparing this 3-in-1 genuine talent with Bhatti and Anwar is wrong.

 

[Markhor]

In the England ODI series, Nawaz averaged 89 with the ball and went at nearly 6 an over. Did nothing with the bat.

In the National T20 Cup, he averaged 57 and went at 8.5 an over.

In PSL2, rookie Hasan Khan had a better average and economy rate. With the bat he averaged 6.6 !

In the Pakistan Cup, he averaged 68 with the ball. With the bat he averaged 21.

How short are peoples' memories ? If this is our saviour then you're deluding yourself.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Nawaz seems to be a different player in 5th ODI. I personally would prefer him over Imad. He seems to be a capable hitter, solid fielder and good spin bowler.

 

[Abdullah719]

The 5th ODI performance by Nawaz seems to be an anomaly.

 

[Hiraeth]

He’s trash. I was laughing at the hype he was getting after a single performance.

 

[ethan hunt]

Lol proper definition of bits and pieces .
Raza hasan is twice the cricketer.

 

[UN talkz]

Even after getting spanked everywhere and bowling trash... Sarfraz was saying "Shabash Beta" to Nawaz

 

[Markhor]

Well don't say I didn't warn you.

Seeing this guy bat at 3 for Pakistan is a travesty.

 

[Markhor]

Put the words all rounder in inverted commas when referring to Mohammad Nawaz.

His batting contributions are non existent - may as play a specialist spinner in his place.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Nawaz is far from being an allrounder. Needs to be given the boot.

I rather have Imad Wasim in the team over him.