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Mohammad Nawaz versus Imad Wasim

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Imad Wasim was goodish when he started his career and was unplayable at times because of non-existent spin as batsmen were unable to read him. His batting was solid, looked like a perfect batsman with proper cricketing shots but soon he started to whack every ball without any success and now he batting has deteriorated.

Nawaz started off superbly in inaugural edition of PSL both with bat and ball but he wasn't able to replicate same at international level, but Nawaz has continously improved since and his fitness has been amazing(no comparison with Imad in that regard), his batting has improved and he has added some power in his game and most importantly he is very young and looks set to represent Pakistan for a long time.


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Don't want either of them anywhere near the national side. Maybe Nawaz later on if he really improves his batting. Is alright for these domestic leagues though.
 
DeadBall said:
Don't want either of them anywhere near the national side. Maybe Nawaz later on if he really improves his batting. Is alright for these domestic leagues though.
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Who do you want as second spin bowling all rounder in the squad?
 
Both are no cut out for the international level. People drooling at a one-off performance from Nawaz in NZ. We already have a spin bowling all-rounder in Shadab. If you want to add in an extra spinner, go with one that gets genuine turn on any surface(Zafar Gohar). Not only on UAE pitches where even the likes of Saif Badar were turning it a mile.
 
ManFan said:
Both are no cut out for the international level. People drooling at a one-off performance from Nawaz in NZ. We already have a spin bowling all-rounder in Shadab. If you want to add in an extra spinner, go with one that gets genuine turn on any surface(Zafar Gohar). Not only on UAE pitches where Saif Badar was turning it a mile.
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Then batting would be very thin considering the modern day ODI or T20 cricket. That is if we are going with three specialist pacers

With Shadab coming at 5 down
Shadab
Hassan
Gohar
Amir
Shinwari/Junaid/Rumman
 
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Titan24 said:
Who do you want as second spin bowling all rounder in the squad?
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For which format? In ODIs both Harris (In Tests too) and Shoaib can back up. In T20s doesn't matter that much, but even then Shoaib, Fakhar etc can back up.
 
Nawaz is better than imad waseem but Zafar Gowhar is best left arm spinner in Pakistan right now.
 
In T20s, Nawaz is a must have, not convinced he is ready for ODIs and Tests just yet.

Imad has been found out.
 
God, I swear when Imad bats, it’s feels like this guy can barely hit the ball.
 
Nawaz is a must in shorter formats. This is an era of batsmen who are embarrassingly bad against spinners.
 
Imad has shown more in international cricket Nawaz has improved this PSL but only one should be selected.
 
DeadBall said:
Don't want either of them anywhere near the national side. Maybe Nawaz later on if he really improves his batting. Is alright for these domestic leagues though.
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Pretty much this

I'd rather have Agha Salman and Shoaib Malik along with Shadab as the spinners
 
Imads bowling is much more affective than Nawaz batting or bowling . I would take Imad just.
 
Hasan123 said:
PSL isn't the be all and end of all of cricket. At international level, Nawaz has done nothing . At least Imad has done well in T20 internationals.
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Imad has been figured out lol. Absolutely nothing bowler.
 
Zafar , raza hassan , saif all three are better options. You need wicket taking options in middle order.
 
In T20 cricket, both are almost neck and neck. In One Day format, Nawaz has more potential. While in the longer format, Nawaz is clearly better.
 
Don't understand the hate for Imad Wasim. Imad the bowler alone is 100x the player Nawaz is ever going to be. We really need him and is unorthodox bowling in the team, especially when we're playing Non-Asian sides.

He dries up the run flow, takes important wickets and is aggressive on the field. A cool head.

With his batting, he's delivered when it mattered, in the Final of CT, in the England ODI series. A Test selection is going to be career-defining for him. Imad the batsman is better than Imad the bowler, we just haven't seen all of it yet.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Don't understand the hate for Imad Wasim. Imad the bowler alone is 100x the player Nawaz is ever going to be. We really need him and is unorthodox bowling in the team, especially when we're playing Non-Asian sides.

He dries up the run flow, takes important wickets and is aggressive on the field. A cool head.

With his batting, he's delivered when it mattered, in the Final of CT, in the England ODI series. A Test selection is going to be career-defining for him. Imad the batsman is better than Imad the bowler, we just haven't seen all of it yet.
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We all saw how the world renowned worst players of spin bowling, Australia, took him apart after two ODI’s. The fact of the matter is his bowling is utter garbage, there’s no simpler way of putting it, and the stats show that.

Your clutching at straws by bringing up his CT final knock, scoring 25 off 21 in the situation in which he came in is nothing more than mediocre. He’s got batting potential but he’s shown zero interest in putting his head down and putting that potential into results. It seems he’s too focused on extra-curricular activities, lately. :ashwin
 
Ellipsism said:
We all saw how the world renowned worst players of spin bowling, Australia, took him apart after two ODI’s. The fact of the matter is his bowling is utter garbage, there’s no simpler way of putting it, and the stats show that.

Your clutching at straws by bringing up his CT final knock, scoring 25 off 21 in the situation in which he came in is nothing more than mediocre. He’s got batting potential but he’s shown zero interest in putting his head down and putting that potential into results. It seems he’s too focused on extra-curricular activities, lately. :ashwin
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You mentioned that Australians are world renowned worst players of spin bowling but you conveniently choose to ignore that Australian pitches are world renowned for being graveyards for spin bowling. The fact that he bowled OK for the first two ODI's itself should be enough to justify his ability.

As for his knock in the CT Final, I'd be crutching at straws if it were just any match, but this was the CT final, against India, in England; the pressure was unbelievable and you cannot deny that. Most batsman would have choked in that position and gotten out after consuming deliveries. Let's not forget that what he managed against India's amazing death bowling in that tournament was nothing short of amazing.

I don't really give two hoots about his personal life as long as he performs on the field, which he does.
 
ExpressPacer said:
You mentioned that Australians are world renowned worst players of spin bowling but you conveniently choose to ignore that Australian pitches are world renowned for being graveyards for spin bowling. The fact that he bowled OK for the first two ODI's itself should be enough to justify his ability.

As for his knock in the CT Final, I'd be crutching at straws if it were just any match, but this was the CT final, against India, in England; the pressure was unbelievable and you cannot deny that. Most batsman would have choked in that position and gotten out after consuming deliveries. Let's not forget that what he managed against India's amazing death bowling in that tournament was nothing short of amazing.

I don't really give two hoots about his personal life as long as he performs on the field, which he does.
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The only reason he bowled ‘ok’ was due to the pitches being uncharacteristically slow in Brisbane and Melbourne. Your argument of playing him against non Asian teams is fundamentally flawed, against non Asian teams excluding Ireland, he has an average of 42, and this is after one fluke of a decent series against England in England.

On the issue of his CT knock, he came in with zero pressure, apart from hitting a couple full tosses straight down the ground it was a nothing innings.

“...As long as he is performing on the field, which he does.”
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How did Imad Waseem's delivery to Shehzad turned this big ? ?


Has he learnt the skill finally ? ?


Mushtaq's role ? ?


Or it was One off and he is still darting mostly ? ?
 
Before this edition of PSL, I wasn't a fan of Nawaz but I realized that he had played under Azhar IIRC. With Sarfraz, he has been nothing short of brilliant so I would like him to get another shot with Sarfraz and drop Imad.
 
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Why take bits and pieces cricketers? Neither one will prove to be a stable option for Pak in ODI or Tests.

Pakistan is lucky that Shadab and Faheem are genuine allrounders giving them a more balanced unit. Other guys like Usama Mir and Zafar Gohar have a lot more potential than the guys named.
 
That much time wiwth Nawaz and he would have done better though both are not good.
 
Imad's batting has improved and is proving that he is Pakistan power hitter and perfect for the No.7 spot.
 
BleedGreen said:
I agree with this. I think Imad's only in the team because of Mickey
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Imad's batting has improved a lot and he looks to be a serious lower order hitter these days. Nawaz's development has stalled in the last year, likely due to the usual poor man management.
 
Nawaz is a lamentable batsman and a threat only on turning wickets.
 
Bump. Imad dropped and nawaz selected. Who is better on CURRENT FORM?
 
Imad also to blame for creating unneccessary left handed batsman paranoia in Umer Khan..just because you are limited doesnt mean no left hand spinner can bowl to a left handed batsman
 
ataullah said:
Bump. Imad dropped and nawaz selected. Who is better on CURRENT FORM?
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As I said in another thread, my view on all-rounders is they must perform as well as a specialist in at least one department, and be reasonably competent in the other department. Yet there's issues with all three of Imad Wasim, Shadab Khan and Mohammad Nawaz. Faheem Ashraf was previously on this list but his batting has markedly improved, though his bowling needs work. Looking at their batting and bowling averages since 1st Jan 2019:

Imad Wasim:

ODIs: 50/63
T20s: 14/31

Shadab Khan:

ODIs: 19/41
T20s: 13/43

Mohammad Nawaz:

Has only played one ODI and three T20s in that timeframe, so will use his Pakistan Cup and PSL performances instead to provide larger sample:

Pakistan Cup: 33/72 (bowling avg was 116 in 2019; averaged 27 in 2021 tournament)
PSL: 24/52

What we can ascertain is there's no case anymore to retain Shadab. He's contributing little in both departments and really shouldn't be vice captain. Imad's the best ODI batsman and T20 bowler but there's big discrepancies between his batting and bowling numbers. And Nawaz doesn't convince in either department. He had a good QEA Trophy with the bat, a good Pakistan Cup with the ball, and took a few scalps against a very weak South Africa in the recent T20s - but probably will be exposed against stronger opposition.

So in the absence of quality all-round depth, my view is pick your six best batsmen, your best all-rounder (currently Faheem), and play your four best specialist bowlers and stop running after these bits and pieces cricketers.
 
Markhor said:
As I said in another thread, my view on all-rounders is they must perform as well as a specialist in at least one department, and be reasonably competent in the other department. Yet there's issues with all three of Imad Wasim, Shadab Khan and Mohammad Nawaz. Faheem Ashraf was previously on this list but his batting has markedly improved, though his bowling needs work. Looking at their batting and bowling averages since 1st Jan 2019:

Imad Wasim:

ODIs: 50/63
T20s: 14/31

Shadab Khan:

ODIs: 19/41
T20s: 13/43

Mohammad Nawaz:

Has only played one ODI and three T20s in that timeframe, so will use his Pakistan Cup and PSL performances instead to provide larger sample:

Pakistan Cup: 33/72 (bowling avg was 116 in 2019; averaged 27 in 2021 tournament)
PSL: 24/52

What we can ascertain is there's no case anymore to retain Shadab. He's contributing little in both departments and really shouldn't be vice captain. Imad's the best ODI batsman and T20 bowler but there's big discrepancies between his batting and bowling numbers. And Nawaz doesn't convince in either department. He had a good QEA Trophy with the bat, a good Pakistan Cup with the ball, and took a few scalps against a very weak South Africa in the recent T20s - but probably will be exposed against stronger opposition.

So in the absence of quality all-round depth, my view is pick your six best batsmen, your best all-rounder (currently Faheem), and play your four best specialist bowlers and stop running after these bits and pieces cricketers.
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Great analysis bro 👏....considering indian conditions and Nawaz's power hitting in PSL do u think he's looking better than ever?
 
Imad should play T20s.

Don't mind Nawaz getting a chance. But I see him having more success in the longer formats than T20 . Don't mind Nawaz getting selected but don't agree with Imad being dropped for T20s as he has done well for us in that format especially with the ball.
 
Imad has damaged left arm spin bowling in PK with his left arm dippers. If you compare him with the Ind left spinners ( Patel and Jadeja), he doesn't spin the ball and threatens little in the middle overs. Nawaz is just about functional and also threatens about much as a bite from a dead sheep. They both offer something as late order batters with Imad def the tougher out of the 2 in crisis.
 
Imad is much better than Nawaz. He will be back for the T20WC, despite his limitations. Nawaz is not international material.
 
Mohammad Nawaz for tests, and ODIs with spinning pitches

Imad Wasim for T20s and ODIs with flat wickets
 
Nawaz is typical those players who are good domestic level player but not made for international cricket ,

Imad is a good international level player.

When was the last time Nawaz ranked as #1 T20 bowler in the world ?? or #1 in Rawalpindi ?
 
moghul said:
Nawaz is typical those players who are good domestic level player but not made for international cricket ,

Imad is a good international level player.

When was the last time Nawaz ranked as #1 T20 bowler in the world ?? or #1 in Rawalpindi ?
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He hasn't gotten enough consistent chances to stake that claim. His skill level matches Imad at all points.
 
moghul said:
Nawaz is typical those players who are good domestic level player but not made for international cricket ,

Imad is a good international level player.

When was the last time Nawaz ranked as #1 T20 bowler in the world ?? or #1 in Rawalpindi ?
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How many games as nawaz played for Pakistan and how many has imad played ?
 
shamaan said:
How many games as nawaz played for Pakistan and how many has imad played ?
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Exactly , Unlike Imad, Nawaz has not been good enough for selection to Pakistan team by many selectors. Nawaz is not a new kid, has been playing FC cricket for 9 years now. finally got lucky to have a selector from his hometown who saw something in him which no one else had spotted.
 
moghul said:
Exactly , Unlike Imad, Nawaz has not been good enough for selection to Pakistan team by many selectors. Nawaz is not a new kid, has been playing FC cricket for 9 years now. finally got lucky to have a selector from his hometown who saw something in him which no one else had spotted.
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They probably saw that Nawaz is a better athlete than Imad in fielding, bowling and batting? The guy is at least passionate enough to do his time in first class cricket unlike Imad who....
 
moghul said:
Exactly , Unlike Imad, Nawaz has not been good enough for selection to Pakistan team by many selectors. Nawaz is not a new kid, has been playing FC cricket for 9 years now. finally got lucky to have a selector from his hometown who saw something in him which no one else had spotted.
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If nawaz was given the same amount of chance to nawaz he would have given similar performance or if not better
 
Need to invest in Nawaz, he's the younger of the two and easily has a higher ceiling.
 
I prefer Nawaz. He is a decent batter and a solid fielder. I think when it comes to bowling, Imad and Nawaz are both similar. Both economical, good line & length, unfortunately they both not wicket takers which they need to be if they want to play in the T20 WC in India, where they wickets will be turners and Pakistan spinners will need to be wicket takers.
 
TeymurBlake said:
I prefer Nawaz. He is a decent batter and a solid fielder. I think when it comes to bowling, Imad and Nawaz are both similar. Both economical, good line & length, unfortunately they both not wicket takers which they need to be if they want to play in the T20 WC in India, where they wickets will be turners and Pakistan spinners will need to be wicket takers.
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If it turns then even more il pick nawaz
 
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