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Mohammad Nawaz's non-existent batting

He has a decent technique, could average 20-25 with the bat. Just needs some coaching and time out in the middle. He isn't going to be a finished product from day one. Ideally he should replace Zulfiqar Babar and a batsman/all-rounder (Hafeez?) should play at 6.
 
Given the current situation, it seems like Hafeez would be the best option if his bowling action gets green signal . This is sad. Nawaz misused his given luck.
Pak do not have a better batting allrounder. Imad is definately not a test class bowler.
 
He needs to be given a bit of a breathing space, he can certainly flourish if he is given the confidence, having said that he has certainly missed a golden opportunity today to establish himself in the test squad.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Why I said Imad.

He also has the game to play in Australia.

Serious error by us.
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Imad will be Azhar Ali level bowler in tests in Australia

Nawaz won't play there either so it's a moot point.

We need a pace Allrounder for there
 
Slog said:
Imad will be Azhar Ali level bowler in tests in Australia

Nawaz won't play there either so it's a moot point.

We need a pace Allrounder for there
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Fahim Ashraf, Aamer Yamin, Bilawal Bhatti and Ammad Butt are the only candidates barring Sohail Khan, the self-proclaimed all-rounder and none of them are within touching distance of a test call up.
 
I still think Nawaz has alot of batting potential, although he should really be making it count against a battered WI, too early to judge.
 
Canistani Hero said:
Fahim Ashraf, Aamer Yamin, Bilawal Bhatti and Ammad Butt are the only candidates barring Sohail Khan, the self-proclaimed all-rounder and none of them are within touching distance of a test call up.
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Regardless you can't take a spin allrounder to NZ AUS.

We don't have good pace bowlers as allrounders. So I'd go with a specialist 5th fast bowler who can bowl fast. If not then Babar Azam.
 
Hawkeye said:
Regardless you can't take a spin allrounder to NZ AUS.

We don't have good pace bowlers as allrounders. So I'd go with a specialist 5th fast bowler who can bowl fast. If not then Babar Azam.
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NZ play Santner sooo...
 
Nawaz looking decent in defence and good temperament. Can he up his strike rate? I feel he's weak against off spin so roston chase will be a challenge for him. He seems OK against pace and bishoo legspin at least while defending. How much will he score today?
 
Rayyman said:
He's a good 5th bowler though. The batsman will look to attack him like they do in LOIs and we all know how that story ends. :)) :mn
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please. If the likes of Stokes can take him to the cleaners then any decent player of spin will get plenty of runs against him. He is just a darter with one ball turning in 4 overs.
 
MRSN said:
please. If the likes of Stokes can take him to the cleaners then any decent player of spin will get plenty of runs against him. He is just a darter with one ball turning in 4 overs.
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That's the exact reason why he's out-bowled Yasir Shah thus far.
 
Slog said:
based on what? he has a decent record despite bowling few overs and in tough situations
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Don't doubt the "Axepert"...

Honestly, I don't get the scrutiny behind Nawaz. He's bowled extremely well, considering the occasions in which he is brought into the attack.

His batting has been decent, it's always tough going when your first outing resulted in a duck, but he's gaining fluency in each innings. Which is a good sign. As they say Rome wasn't built in a day, similarly Nawaz isn't going to score hundreds and take five-fers in his intialial tests.
 
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Looks nervous and under pressure when batting. Misbah under bowling him is not helping his confidence.
 
Ellipsism said:
Don't doubt the "Axepert"...

Honestly, I don't get the scrutiny behind Nawaz. He's bowled extremely well, considering the occasions in which he is brought into the attack.

His batting has been decent, it's always tough going when your first outing resulted in a duck, but he's gaining fluency in each innings. Which is a good sign. As they say Rome wasn't built in a day, similarly Nawaz isn't going to score hundreds and take five-fers in his intialial tests.
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The thing is if you do a direct comparison with Zulfiqar Babar.

Then he is taking wickets at a better average despite bowling in tougher situations

Secondly one of the reasons given for Zulfi is that he is economical and keeps it tight. Nawaz does it equally good if not better

Atm he can even play as a second spinner unless we bring in Asghar, Gohar etc for Zulfi
 
We picked him instead of so much better and useful Imad Wasim.
 
He should good resolve today but there was no intention to score. I hope he doesn't get dropped though, needs more opportunities to express himself, especially with the ball.
 
Mickey the genius is responsible for this decision.. ever since he's been coach we have had a passenger no.6-7 and we effectively play with 10 men in the side.. Maybe Nawaz is the only guy who does his 'homework'
 
srh said:
What is his batting average in FC domestic?
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33. Which could translate into 20-25 in tests.

I don't understand people calling Nawaz a passenger. He is a bowling all-rounder yet Misbah doesn't give him overs. What do you expect? Blame rests solely with Misbah for the way he is using Nawaz.
 
endymion248 said:
33. Which could translate into 20-25 in tests.

I don't understand people calling Nawaz a passenger. He is a bowling all-rounder yet Misbah doesn't give him overs. What do you expect? Blame rests solely with Misbah for the way he is using Nawaz.
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These are the reasons why he is being slated and rightfully so

1. He is playing at number 7.

2. He has shown zero ability, intent, nuance, fight, grit, penchant, (add other adjectives, verbs, adverbs, nouns, kinda stuff) etc.

3. He didn't even outshine Imad Wasim and he happens to bat above Imad in ODI's and T20's.
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
These are the reasons why he is being slated and rightfully so

1. He is playing at number 7.

2. He has shown zero ability, intent, nuance, fight, grit, penchant, (add other adjectives, verbs, adverbs, nouns, kinda stuff) etc.

3. He didn't even outshine Imad Wasim and he happens to bat above Imad in ODI's and T20's.
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He isn't a better batsman than Imad but he is a much better bowler.
It's not his fault that he isn't being given the ball. Nobody pretends that he is a specialist batsman.

Ideally, I'd replace Zulfiqar Babar with a batting all-rounder (Hafeez if he can bowl) and have Nawaz batting at 8. Best team for UAE.
 
endymion248 said:
He isn't a better batsman than Imad but he is a much better bowler.
It's not his fault that he isn't being given the ball. Nobody pretends that he is a specialist batsman.

Ideally, I'd replace Zulfiqar Babar with a batting all-rounder (Hafeez if he can bowl) and have Nawaz batting at 8. Best team for UAE.
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Look at it this way, if he was out-bowling Zulfiqar in the nets, he'd be getting to bowl more as well. In the limited opportunities that he has bowled, he hasn't looked good as well. Yes he has a few wickets but barring one of Bishoo, nothing was downright good.

He isn't a better bowler than Zulfi, and maybe he shouldn't be in the team at this moment. Adds nothing to bowling, subtracts from batting - wrong time, wrong player.
 
pak4life said:
Looks nervous and under pressure when batting. Misbah under bowling him is not helping his confidence.
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there was no confidence him to begin with. Sorry to say not an international class player.
 
endymion248 said:
33. Which could translate into 20-25 in tests.

I don't understand people calling Nawaz a passenger. He is a bowling all-rounder yet Misbah doesn't give him overs. What do you expect? Blame rests solely with Misbah for the way he is using Nawaz.
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He was primarily required for his batting as a no.7, because any team with only 6 proper batsmen and one require someone who can bat.. his bowling was not needed much in this case, his batting was the one that could've been more helpful to the team
 
Overhyped player...neither a proper batsman nor a bowler...
Should get rid of him..
 
endymion248 said:
33. Which could translate into 20-25 in tests.

I don't understand people calling Nawaz a passenger. He is a bowling all-rounder yet Misbah doesn't give him overs. What do you expect? Blame rests solely with Misbah for the way he is using Nawaz.
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batting average of 33 in domestic is not that bad for an all rounder although I would prefer at least 35
 
Reiterates my point. If we are selecting a dud then we might as well select the Dud who can bat better. Imad Wasim over Nawaz any day of the week!
 
Hawkeye said:
He's being played as an "allrounder" in the Test team, to give us some decent scoring ability at the end.

However, our pure tailenders like Sohail Khan, Yasir, Zulfiqar have shown more substance and ability to bat than Nawaz.

He's been unconvincing since the PSL, yet Inzi thinks he's an allrounder.

Are you convinced? Is Imad a better option if you really do want to play an allrounder in the UAE?
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Babar Azam should come into the side in his place. We are a Batsman short.
 
Rana said:
Reiterates my point. If we are selecting a dud then we might as well select the Dud who can bat better. Imad Wasim over Nawaz any day of the week!
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Did Brock Lesnar have a string of 5* classics the moment he was signed? did he win the UFC world title in his first fight? Now that we've established that point, we need to try our best to grasp that when Nawaz was invested in the tin didn't say "takes 5fers and scores hundreds from game 1" in fact there are very few internationals who came into the sport as the finished article. We invested in Azhar Ali around 5 or 6 years ago, in that period he has evolved and he's no longer the same bat he use to be, he is better. How are we expected to develop talent for the future with garbage attitude from our fans, hopefully the selectors don't hold the same view.
 
shaz619 said:
Did Brock Lesnar have a string of 5* classics the moment he was signed? did he win the UFC world title in his first fight? Now that we've established that point, we need to try our best to grasp that when Nawaz was invested in the tin didn't say "takes 5fers and scores hundreds from game 1" in fact there are very few internationals who came into the sport as the finished article. We invested in Azhar Ali around 5 or 6 years ago, in that period he has evolved and he's no longer the same bat he use to be, he is better. How are we expected to develop talent for the future with garbage attitude from our fans, hopefully the selectors don't hold the same view.
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Im all on board with the development argument, however I believe in developing the right talent. Imad in 3 years time cold become a number 5-6 and one of the best. Hes a far better prospect and more of a match winner presence in the game. Im not asking for Nawaz to be replaced by an older, more experienced All-rounder like Malik, Afridi or Azhar Mahmood.
 
Rana said:
Im all on board with the development argument, however I believe in developing the right talent. Imad in 3 years time cold become a number 5-6 and one of the best. Hes a far better prospect and more of a match winner presence in the game. Im not asking for Nawaz to be replaced by an older, more experienced All-rounder like Malik, Afridi or Azhar Mahmood.
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Well then that's your opinion but you should also understand that Nawaz is a green rookie just like Imad, hypothetically speaking; would you hold the same views if Imad had a similar start to his career like Nawaz? anyhow the criticisms have been mostly in regards to Nawaz's batting but the ones directed at his bowling are quiet non-nonsensical. Also, there's not a night and day difference in quality between Nawaz and Imad so am not sure why people are throwing hissy fits but they key words to bare in mind are patience and investment.
 
shaz619 said:
Well then that's your opinion but you should also understand that Nawaz is a green rookie just like Imad, hypothetically speaking; would you hold the same views if Imad had a similar start to his career like Nawaz? anyhow the criticisms have been mostly in regards to Nawaz's batting but the ones directed at his bowling are quiet non-nonsensical. Also, there's not a night and day difference in quality between Nawaz and Imad so am not sure why people are throwing hissy fits but they key words to bare in mind are patience and investment.
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There is no need to throw hissy fits, however there certainly is the need to address the current Pakistan lower order issue which has been evident for quite a long time now. Pakistan cannot be serious to have a tail that starts from Number 8. It must have a reliable lower order hitter in the 8th position who can help accumalate some quickfire runs and bat with the Aggressive keeper and inspire the tail to wag as well. What do you expect from the 9,10 and 11 when they do not see a hopeful guy who can bat at 8?

Previously, Wahab was invested with the idea of using him as a lower order hitter at 8, but the sad reality is that the guy doesnt have the capacity to score more than 25 runs and that too being ugly whilst getting it. If Nawaz is going to come in at 8 and play so timidly scoring 20 off 80, then you might as well chuck Yasir Shah at 8, he might just do so a bit quicker than Nawaz.

The sad reality is, Nawaz will not get easier wickets to bat on from here on out, and the bowling quality will also be far better than the West Indies. He has failed to impress in the last 3 Test matches with the bat, and his hasnt really set the world alight with his bowling. Dont see how far he will go before being discarded once and for all.
 
unlucky bowler,underutilized,bowled well but wicketless,bowled well on given occasions..looks like we have found our next Umer Gul folks!!
 
There's arguments on both sides for this. One could argue since his bowling is his forte, if he was given more opportunities to express himself with the ball that'd create a roll over effect and help bring confidence to his batting.
Another argument is that his batting has been outright poor and replacing him with Babar Azam would've given us a more solid batting lineup (since Nawaz didn't even bowl much either). If he can't get runs on placcid pitches in UAE what good is he going to be in AUS/NZ?

Of course though, it's hard to judge over a series and it's hard to calculate how much bowling (or given the confidence to bowl) has an effect on his batting.

Barring his 2nd innings bowling, he's been very economical. Seems as though he's a replacement for Zulfi, but if that's the case why play both of them in the same match?
 
Rana said:
There is no need to throw hissy fits, however there certainly is the need to address the current Pakistan lower order issue which has been evident for quite a long time now. Pakistan cannot be serious to have a tail that starts from Number 8. It must have a reliable lower order hitter in the 8th position who can help accumalate some quickfire runs and bat with the Aggressive keeper and inspire the tail to wag as well. What do you expect from the 9,10 and 11 when they do not see a hopeful guy who can bat at 8?

Previously, Wahab was invested with the idea of using him as a lower order hitter at 8, but the sad reality is that the guy doesnt have the capacity to score more than 25 runs and that too being ugly whilst getting it. If Nawaz is going to come in at 8 and play so timidly scoring 20 off 80, then you might as well chuck Yasir Shah at 8, he might just do so a bit quicker than Nawaz.

The sad reality is, Nawaz will not get easier wickets to bat on from here on out, and the bowling quality will also be far better than the West Indies. He has failed to impress in the last 3 Test matches with the bat, and his hasnt really set the world alight with his bowling. Dont see how far he will go before being discarded once and for all.
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Am not sure you read my post, Imad in your opinion is the solution but am telling you that there's not a night and day difference between Nawaz and Imad; furthermore Nawaz was terrific with the limited opportunities given to him with the ball (just compare his stats to the alleged specialist left arm spinner) and with the bat he's a work in progress. Very few will dominate from the word go when it comes to the Test Level, the key words are patience and investment. But if we're speaking of talent specific to the tours of NZ and AUS then neither Nawaz or Imad are suitable for the A/R role given that we need an A/R who bowls pace.
 
Poor bowler and an even poor batsman. Playing him means we are playing with 10 men.
 
Honestly Nawaz has not been given a proper chance with bowl but he has failed miserably with the bat. These youngsters need to grab their chances and you don't get too many.
 
His bowling was hold an end up type stuff at best and its no wonder misbah had no faith in him, his batting is not of test standard and he needs to go away and work on it, he could be used again in the UAE but he was more of a passenger in the side then an asset and overall his output in the series was a disappointing one and the experiment to play him was a failure.
 
If we are so intent on an all rounder in the team, the best option would be to get Hafeez bowling again. Will be an excellent option to bat at 6 and I am sure Misbah would trust him with the ball too.
 
Amjid Javed said:
His bowling was hold an end up type stuff at best and its no wonder misbah had no faith in him, his batting is not of test standard and he needs to go away and work on it, he could be used again in the UAE but he was more of a passenger in the side then an asset and overall his output in the series was a disappointing one and the experiment to play him was a failure.
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Great attitude, we shouldn't invest in talent or develop it; rather drop them after their first series because we expect ready made ATG's.
 
Ellipsism said:
Don't doubt the "Axepert"...

Honestly, I don't get the scrutiny behind Nawaz. He's bowled extremely well, considering the occasions in which he is brought into the attack.

His batting has been decent, it's always tough going when your first outing resulted in a duck, but he's gaining fluency in each innings. Which is a good sign. As they say Rome wasn't built in a day, similarly Nawaz isn't going to score hundreds and take five-fers in his intialial tests.
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Ellipsism, I am not against M Nawaz he can play in place of Zulfi as a 2nd spin bowler. But we can't function with just 5 batsmen plus Sarfraz.
 
In PSL he was clueless against 40 years old Saeed Ajmal with a remodelled action. He was beaten multiple times by Ajmal in a T20 match.


Today he was dismissed by 18 years old Offspinner Nair who has 2 Fc wickets at an Ave of 66.


If he plays ahead of Injured Yasir than Australia should immediately employ Nathon Lyon and sooner or later Nawaz will be headed towards dressing room.


#Likh Lou :)
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
In PSL he was clueless against 40 years old Saeed Ajmal with a remodelled action. He was beaten multiple times by Ajmal in a T20 match.


Today he was dismissed by 18 years old Offspinner Nair who has 2 Fc wickets at an Ave of 66.


If he plays ahead of Injured Yasir than Australia should immediately employ Nathon Lyon and sooner or later Nawaz will be headed towards dressing room.


#Likh Lou :)
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He is pretty poor against off spinner but decent against pace. But, definetly not the best option at moment for test cricket.
 
Khan12 said:
He is pretty poor against off spinner but decent against pace. But, definetly not the best option at moment for test cricket.
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Lol. He's even more clueless against pace.
 
Looks worse and worse every time he plays and poor selection in the sqaud.
 
Has anyone found out what he actually does, he is terrible bowler and poor batsman. What was Inzi thinking when he picked this lad?
 
Bewal Express said:
Has anyone found out what he actually does, he is terrible bowler and poor batsman. What was Inzi thinking when he picked this lad?
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the guy is supposed to be a good all rounder but I am convinced he is just a darter and bats as good as Yasir SHah or Wahab Riaz.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
In PSL he was clueless against 40 years old Saeed Ajmal with a remodelled action. He was beaten multiple times by Ajmal in a T20 match.


Today he was dismissed by 18 years old Offspinner Nair who has 2 Fc wickets at an Ave of 66.


If he plays ahead of Injured Yasir than Australia should immediately employ Nathon Lyon and sooner or later Nawaz will be headed towards dressing room.


#Likh Lou :)
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I don't when we have good spinners why do we have to carry a darter. The primary skill of Nawaz should have been that he can turn the ball frequently and not those mere turning deliveries. Azhar could turn more than him on the same pitch. I think he is still raw. It was not a good selection. Unless we are dried up of good spinners in domestic cricket.
 
Bewal Express said:
Has anyone found out what he actually does, he is terrible bowler and poor batsman. What was Inzi thinking when he picked this lad?
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I think Inzi mailed it in on Nawaz's selection otherwise I cannot believe that Inzi actually rated him after seeing his stuff
 
shaz619 said:
Great attitude, we shouldn't invest in talent or develop it; rather drop them after their first series because we expect ready made ATG's.
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Nothing wrong with being critical of him and giving him and run then. He needn't be dropped now, but
he's clearly not earned his place yet and will loose it unless he performs soon. What's the controversy?
 
He needs to be dropped, work hard in domestic season longer formats and make a comeback. reminds me of sarfaraz 1.0; this guy will come good once he gains confidence by playing longer formats back home.
 
Good little innings by Nawaz today, hopefully he can carry on like this, like I've said before a practice match is different from an International game
 
36* and 3 wickets in the second innings. He is the all rounder we need but don't deserve considering some of the posts on his thread bashing him without giving him a proper run in the team.

This is his first tour of down under. At least give the lad a chance to make the adjustments and get used to the conditions. He will come good.
 
Decent outing for him with the bat and ball second time around. He needs to develop some confidence in himself and that's why I think it's good to keep him around the squad on these tours. Atleast he gets to work with Arthur and Rixon rather than going back to the domestic scene where the coaches are pretty clueless. I still have hope that he'll improve and come good, we need to be patient.
 
I don't think we can afford to play him in test matches right now, but if we keep him in the squad, he can work on his batting with better coaches. We saw potential yesterday and he's a good bowler too. Lets give him a series or 2 more.
 
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