Mohammad Rizwan spent 2 nights in a hospital before playing against Australia in ICC T20 World Cup

[Abdurmirr]

Being a Sr. medical professional (in USA) and an avid pakistan cricket follower; I can vouch from my experience , if someone is in ICU (Intensive Care Unit only meant for emergency protocols and intensive medical care) its hard to believe if someone recovers so quickly and went on to play a competitive sport from ICU

My guess is , he was sent to ICU (probably being an international athlete, not for his condition, which might still be a mild harmless fever) not for some life threatening procedures.. So please dont confuse ICU with Rizwan's harmless illness

So if someone dont understand what kind of patients are are only allowed to admit, can read below :

https://www.mainehealth.org/Services/Hospital-Medicine/Critical-Care-Unit-Intensive-Care-Unit

That is why my guess is, this whole Rizwan situation is highly exaggerated and staged just for views and likes

Being a Sr. medical professional (in USA) and an avid pakistan cricket follower; I can vouch from my experience , if someone is in ICU (Intensive Care Unit only meant for emergency protocols and intensive medical care) its hard to believe if someone recovers so quickly and went on to play a competitive sport from ICU

My guess is , he was sent to ICU (probably being an international athlete, not for his condition, which might still be a mild harmless fever) not for some life threatening procedures.. So please dont confuse ICU with Rizwan's harmless illness

That is why this whole sounds more staged than actual medical condition

Jeez so much effort just to slander Rizwan and the PCB

Multiple sources which have little to no affiliation with the PCB have comifred that Rizwan's case was severe with the Hindustan times describing it as " severe laryngeal infection leading to an esophageal spasm and bronchospasm".

It usually takes 5-7 days to recover from such an illness, however considering Rizwan's fitness and probably other factors, a 3 day recovery is not impossible.

It's just sad how some people don't have the ability to admit they were wrong and continue to find excuses to bash someone who puts their heart and soul into representing our country.

 

[iniqbal223]

Who needs critical care?

Critical care is appropriate for hospital patients of every age who are severely ill.

Patients may go to the ICU from the Emergency Department, or may move there from the general hospital ward if they become critically ill.

Examples of patients who need critical care includes those who undergo very invasive surgery or who have poor outcomes after surgery, those who are severely injured in an accident, people with serious infections, or people who have trouble breathing on their own and require a ventilator to breathe for them.

Here are some common conditions that require critical care:

Heart problems
Lung problems
Organ failure
Brain trauma
Blood infections (sepsis)
Drug-resistant infections
Serious injury (car crash, burns)

 

[iniqbal223]

Jeez so much effort just to slander Rizwan and the PCB

Multiple sources which have little to no affiliation with the PCB have comifred that Rizwan's case was severe with the Hindustan times describing it as " severe laryngeal infection leading to an esophageal spasm and bronchospasm".

It usually takes 5-7 days to recover from such an illness, however considering Rizwan's fitness and probably other factors, a 3 day recovery is not impossible.

It's just sad how some people don't have the ability to admit they were wrong and continue to find excuses to bash someone who puts their heart and soul into representing our country.

Not true; even if he is allowed to take part in game, but patient has to return back to hospital for further rehab; And seeing he is traveling well and fine to Bangladesh, so it is truly not a medical condition which many has painted it for Rizwan

 

[kukkad kamaal]

Rough translation of the article.
-- Doctor who treated Rizwan with Jersey gifted by Rizwan.
--Rizwan got treated at Dubai Vps Medeore hospital.
-- It was a throat infection that later spread to the lower respiratory tract. Normally this type of infection takes at least one week to cure, but Rizwan was able to overcome it in 2 days, which according to his doctor is a miracle.
--Rizwan spent 36 hours in the ICU.
--Even while he was in the ICU he has been telling that he wants to play the semifinal against Australia.
-Rizwan was treated by Dr.Saheer who belongs to Trivandrum, Kerala India

 

[iniqbal223]

Rough translation of the article.
-- Doctor who treated Rizwan with Jersey gifted by Rizwan.
--Rizwan got treated at Dubai Vps Medeore hospital.
-- It was a throat infection that later spread to the lower respiratory tract. Normally this type of infection takes at least one week to cure, but Rizwan was able to overcome in 2 days, which according to his doctor is a miracle.
--Rizwan spent 36 hours in the ICU.
--Even while he was in the ICU he w

In that case, Rizwan should be on ventilator or should have difficulty in breathing; Not true as per medical science

Even this is a miracle (for some time), can't believe that medical professional is so incompetent to discharge the patient even after the match. In such cases , patient has to return for further checks and rehab for some time; this is not a standard medical practice followed by the doctor or by any PCB medical personnel

 

[Abdurmirr]

Not true; even if he is allowed to take part in game, but patient has to return back to hospital for further rehab; And seeing he is traveling well and fine to Bangladesh, so it is truly not a medical condition which many has painted it for Rizwan

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...s-astonished-at-recovery-101636780544697.html

Look all the facts are laid out here by a source which would look to expose any irregularities if there were any.

You can believe whatever you want to believe. I though do get a sneaking suspicion that if this was any player aside from Rizwan than you would be in awe of their courage and determination. However considering your agenda and hate it's obvious you cant muster the ability to take positively about Rizwan.

Have a good day

 

[kukkad kamaal]

Profile of the doctor who treated Rizwan.

https://www.medeor247dubai.com/public/uploads/contents/WEB_FRAMES_Saheer_Sainalabdeen_DR.PRASANTH_2.png

 

[iniqbal223]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...s-astonished-at-recovery-101636780544697.html

Look all the facts are laid out here by a source which would look to expose any irregularities if there were any.

You can believe whatever you want to believe. I though do get a sneaking suspicion that if this was any player aside from Rizwan than you would be in awe of their courage and determination. However considering your agenda and hate it's obvious you cant muster the ability to take positively about Rizwan.

Have a good day

Its not about a player, but this does not sound as per medical condition that is being painted for Rizwan..
And secondly, I dont trust Indian dailies who might not even have any first hand information on this topic

 

[iniqbal223]

Profile of the doctor who thttps://www.medeor247dubai.com/public/uploads/contents/WEB_FRAMES_Saheer_Sainalabdeen_DR.PRASANTH_2.pngreated Rizwan.

Again my point is :

All medical terminologies used in wrong place here while writing this article..
It can not be ICU;
I have never seen in my 20+ years of experience any ICU patient play a competitive sport next day
It was all medical screening that is it

 

[MenInG]

Again my point is :

All medical terminologies used in wrong place here while writing this article..
It can not be ICU;
I have never seen in my 20+ years of experience any ICU patient play a competitive sport next day
It was all medical screening that is it

How would you explain the equipment around Rizwan and the surroundings in the picture?

 

[iniqbal223]

How would you explain the equipment around Rizwan and the surroundings in the picture?

That is EKG to measure heart beat;

In ICU : Doctor performs a procedure . I dont think any procedure was performed on Rizwan
In Medical screening : Practitioner takes all the vitals and decide whether to let go the patient or if patient needs additional care. This screening can take few hours upto few days (depending on what is needed).. My guess is , Doctor is just monitoring Rizwan's health condition for 2 days to see if he has something serious going on. If vitals are fine, patient gets discharged immediately

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=142466]iniqbal223[/MENTION] is 100% correct. This is a steaming pile of hot rubbish.

I won’t blame the non-medical people on this forum for buying into this crap because they can’t distinguish between a liver and a kidney, but I challenge every medical practitioner on this forum, who thinks this story is credible, to convince me that an ICU patient can be allowed to play in a competitive sporting match and just 48 hours after being intensive care.

Not a single doctor in the world will sanction this. Absolutely no chance. An intensive care patient is on the brink of organ failure.

It takes weeks for a patient under intensive care to be allowed to engage in rigorous physical activity simply because of the risk factor.

The first 72 hours of ICU discharge are crucial because the chances of destabilization are very high, let alone when you are engaging in physical activity that not only puts your body under duress but also your brain.

The UAE has an extremely professional healthcare system. In addition, the Dubai Health Authority (DHA) has fostered a cutthroat environment - they frequently revoke licenses of doctors and even hospitals because the level of competition is extremely high.

Every year, we see thousands of doctors applying for jobs and many new hospitals entering the industry.

If the PCB medical panel allowed Rizwan to play 48 hours after being discharged from ICU, the hospital will hold PCB accountable for extraordinary negligence.

They can actually take them to court because it is a huge red flag on DHA’s credibility and post-treatment care.

When you get discharged from ICU, you are not fit to engage in competitive sports. It only means that you no longer require intensive care but you have to be under general care for a period of time because there is a risk of relapse.

To everyone who is doing bhangra over the picture, please understand the following: there is a difference between being under intensive care and being in the Intensive Care Ward (ICU)

Not every patient who is in the ICU ward is under intensive care. The reason Rizwan was placed in the ICU ward is because he was given extra protocol for being an international cricketer in the middle of a tournament.

He was isolated from others to reduce the chances of him catching an infection and to provide extra care. If he was an ordinary person he would not have been in the ICU.

It was a regular chest infection and he was admitted because it was time-sensitive because of the semifinal.

If he was on proper intensive care treatment which means he was on the brink of organ failure which means his life was in critical danger, this would have been breaking news into the semifinal.

There is no way the media would not have found out about this and there is no way PCB would have been able to keep a lid on it.

People wrongly assumed that Rizwan was under intensive care treatment and hence his life was under threat because of a picture of him lying in the ICU ward.

 

[iniqbal223]

[MENTION=142466]iniqbal223[/MENTION] is 100% correct. This is a steaming pile of hot rubbish.

I won’t blame the non-medical people on this forum for buying into this crap because they can’t distinguish between a liver and a kidney, but I challenge every medical practitioner on this forum, who thinks this story is credible, to convince me that an ICU patient can be allowed to play in a competitive sporting match and just 48 hours after being intensive care.

Not a single doctor in the world will sanction this. Absolutely no chance. An intensive care patient is on the brink of organ failure.

It takes weeks for a patient under intensive care to be allowed to engage in rigorous physical activity simply because of the risk factor.

The first 72 hours of ICU discharge are crucial because the chances of destabilization are very high, let alone when you are engaging in physical activity that not only puts your body under duress but also your brain.

The UAE has an extremely professional healthcare system. In addition, the Dubai Health Authority (DHA) has fostered a cutthroat environment - they frequently revoke licenses of doctors and even hospitals because the level of competition is extremely high.

Every year, we see thousands of doctors applying for jobs and many new hospitals entering the industry.

If the PCB medical panel allowed Rizwan to play 48 hours after being discharged from ICU, the hospital will hold PCB accountable for extraordinary negligence.

They can actually take them to court because it is a huge red flag on DHA’s credibility and post-treatment care.

When you get discharged from ICU, you are not fit to engage in competitive sports. It only means that you no longer require intensive care but you have to be under general care for a period of time because there is a risk of relapse.

To everyone who is doing bhangra over the picture, please understand the following: there is a difference between being under intensive care and being in the Intensive Care Ward (ICU)

Not every patient who is in the ICU ward is under intensive care. The reason Rizwan was placed in the ICU ward is because he was given extra protocol for being an international cricketer in the middle of a tournament.

He was isolated from others to reduce the chances of him catching an infection and to provide extra care. If he was an ordinary person he would not have been in the ICU.

It was a regular chest infection and he was admitted because it was time-sensitive because of the semifinal.

If he was on proper intensive care treatment which means he was on the brink of organ failure which means his life was in critical danger, this would have been breaking news into the semifinal.

There is no way the media would not have found out about this and there is no way PCB would have been able to keep a lid on it.

People wrongly assumed that Rizwan was under intensive care treatment and hence his life was under threat because of a picture of him lying in the ICU ward.

Someone who finally understand some basics of medical science

Now, what is disappointing is Rizwan overselling this notion that he is a soldier and ready to sacrifice for country , and blah blah blah.. Nothing against him..
But either he doesn't;t understand what intensive care is or just making sure he is shown as some kind of saint or miracle to the world

 

[iniqbal223]

[MENTION=142466]iniqbal223[/MENTION] is 100% correct. This is a steaming pile of hot rubbish.

I won’t blame the non-medical people on this forum for buying into this crap because they can’t distinguish between a liver and a kidney, but I challenge every medical practitioner on this forum, who thinks this story is credible, to convince me that an ICU patient can be allowed to play in a competitive sporting match and just 48 hours after being intensive care.

Not a single doctor in the world will sanction this. Absolutely no chance. An intensive care patient is on the brink of organ failure.

It takes weeks for a patient under intensive care to be allowed to engage in rigorous physical activity simply because of the risk factor.

The first 72 hours of ICU discharge are crucial because the chances of destabilization are very high, let alone when you are engaging in physical activity that not only puts your body under duress but also your brain.

The UAE has an extremely professional healthcare system. In addition, the Dubai Health Authority (DHA) has fostered a cutthroat environment - they frequently revoke licenses of doctors and even hospitals because the level of competition is extremely high.

Every year, we see thousands of doctors applying for jobs and many new hospitals entering the industry.

If the PCB medical panel allowed Rizwan to play 48 hours after being discharged from ICU, the hospital will hold PCB accountable for extraordinary negligence.

They can actually take them to court because it is a huge red flag on DHA’s credibility and post-treatment care.

When you get discharged from ICU, you are not fit to engage in competitive sports. It only means that you no longer require intensive care but you have to be under general care for a period of time because there is a risk of relapse.

To everyone who is doing bhangra over the picture, please understand the following: there is a difference between being under intensive care and being in the Intensive Care Ward (ICU)

Not every patient who is in the ICU ward is under intensive care. The reason Rizwan was placed in the ICU ward is because he was given extra protocol for being an international cricketer in the middle of a tournament.

He was isolated from others to reduce the chances of him catching an infection and to provide extra care. If he was an ordinary person he would not have been in the ICU.

It was a regular chest infection and he was admitted because it was time-sensitive because of the semifinal.

If he was on proper intensive care treatment which means he was on the brink of organ failure which means his life was in critical danger, this would have been breaking news into the semifinal.

There is no way the media would not have found out about this and there is no way PCB would have been able to keep a lid on it.

People wrongly assumed that Rizwan was under intensive care treatment and hence his life was under threat because of a picture of him lying in the ICU ward.

Only two athletes in my recent memory were admitted into ICU; and that was James Taylor and Yuvraj Singh; and post ICU there life changed completely, not like they played a semifinal a day later and allowed to travel , and walking happily in Bangladesh

 

[MenInG]

I believe he was put in an ICU bed due to his status to ensure all good. That is not to say he was in intensive care.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

[MENTION=142466]iniqbal223[/MENTION] is 100% correct. This is a steaming pile of hot rubbish.

I won’t blame the non-medical people on this forum for buying into this crap because they can’t distinguish between a liver and a kidney, but I challenge every medical practitioner on this forum, who thinks this story is credible, to convince me that an ICU patient can be allowed to play in a competitive sporting match and just 48 hours after being intensive care.

Not a single doctor in the world will sanction this. Absolutely no chance. An intensive care patient is on the brink of organ failure.

It takes weeks for a patient under intensive care to be allowed to engage in rigorous physical activity simply because of the risk factor.

The first 72 hours of ICU discharge are crucial because the chances of destabilization are very high, let alone when you are engaging in physical activity that not only puts your body under duress but also your brain.

The UAE has an extremely professional healthcare system. In addition, the Dubai Health Authority (DHA) has fostered a cutthroat environment - they frequently revoke licenses of doctors and even hospitals because the level of competition is extremely high.

Every year, we see thousands of doctors applying for jobs and many new hospitals entering the industry.

If the PCB medical panel allowed Rizwan to play 48 hours after being discharged from ICU, the hospital will hold PCB accountable for extraordinary negligence.

They can actually take them to court because it is a huge red flag on DHA’s credibility and post-treatment care.

When you get discharged from ICU, you are not fit to engage in competitive sports. It only means that you no longer require intensive care but you have to be under general care for a period of time because there is a risk of relapse.

To everyone who is doing bhangra over the picture, please understand the following: there is a difference between being under intensive care and being in the Intensive Care Ward (ICU)

Not every patient who is in the ICU ward is under intensive care. The reason Rizwan was placed in the ICU ward is because he was given extra protocol for being an international cricketer in the middle of a tournament.

He was isolated from others to reduce the chances of him catching an infection and to provide extra care. If he was an ordinary person he would not have been in the ICU.

It was a regular chest infection and he was admitted because it was time-sensitive because of the semifinal.

If he was on proper intensive care treatment which means he was on the brink of organ failure which means his life was in critical danger, this would have been breaking news into the semifinal.

There is no way the media would not have found out about this and there is no way PCB would have been able to keep a lid on it.

People wrongly assumed that Rizwan was under intensive care treatment and hence his life was under threat because of a picture of him lying in the ICU ward.

Wait...So he did not extubate himself, jump up and pull out his NG tube and catheter in a rush to get ready for the semifinal?

 

[iniqbal223]

I believe he was put in an ICU bed due to his status to ensure all good. That is not to say he was in intensive care.

That was my point;
And whoever claiming it was a miracle (including Rizwan himself) or some sort are totally fooling the general public.. I won't blame Rizwan/VVS or any sport athlete, they might not understand the medical science in detail.. But whoever is overselling this idea really thinks people are dumb

 

[iniqbal223]

Wait...So he did not extubate himself, jump up and pull out his NG tube and catheter in a rush to get ready for the semifinal?

That was not even needed in 99.9% of EKG procedures.. Only patients who are on brink of severe injuries or disharmony hear beats are put on EKG
Rizwan was just lying there in ICU ward ( and doctor keeping an eye to make sure its all good)..

 

[TheNightWatchman]

That was my point;
And whoever claiming it was a miracle (including Rizwan himself) or some sort are totally fooling the general public.. I won't blame Rizwan/VVS or any sport athlete, they might not understand the medical science in detail.. But whoever is overselling this idea really thinks people are dumb

Because it's a good story to sell. Reputable media outlets including cricinfo and even ICC's main page are all over it as well.

Still, it's impressive that the man managed to recover so quick and top score in a high intensity game. Credit where credit is due. They're overseeing the story but the actual one is still nothing short of incredible.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

That was not even needed in 99.9% of EKG procedures.. Only patients who are on brink of severe injuries or disharmony hear beats are put on EKG
Rizwan was just lying there in ICU ward ( and doctor keeping an eye to make sure its all good)..

Yes, it was a joke about him being in intensive care.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Rizwan deserve man of the tournament and ICC spirit of cricket award for his heroics.
This guy is awesome cricketer and a quality person.
Best talent unearthed from Pakistan in this century, even better than Babar, Umar Akmal and Shaheen.

 

[MenInG]

Yes, it was a joke about him being in intensive care.

He was in an ICU bed - and not well. To me the fact that he willed himself to play in the game is credit enough and should be appreciated.

People trying to find faults in Rizwan or his desire to serve Pakistan are the ones who need to be ashamed of themselves - not Rizwan.

 

[Major]

[MENTION=142466]iniqbal223[/MENTION] is 100% correct. This is a steaming pile of hot rubbish.

I won’t blame the non-medical people on this forum for buying into this crap because they can’t distinguish between a liver and a kidney, but I challenge every medical practitioner on this forum, who thinks this story is credible, to convince me that an ICU patient can be allowed to play in a competitive sporting match and just 48 hours after being intensive care.

Not a single doctor in the world will sanction this. Absolutely no chance. An intensive care patient is on the brink of organ failure.

It takes weeks for a patient under intensive care to be allowed to engage in rigorous physical activity simply because of the risk factor.

The first 72 hours of ICU discharge are crucial because the chances of destabilization are very high, let alone when you are engaging in physical activity that not only puts your body under duress but also your brain.

The UAE has an extremely professional healthcare system. In addition, the Dubai Health Authority (DHA) has fostered a cutthroat environment - they frequently revoke licenses of doctors and even hospitals because the level of competition is extremely high.

Every year, we see thousands of doctors applying for jobs and many new hospitals entering the industry.

If the PCB medical panel allowed Rizwan to play 48 hours after being discharged from ICU, the hospital will hold PCB accountable for extraordinary negligence.

They can actually take them to court because it is a huge red flag on DHA’s credibility and post-treatment care.

When you get discharged from ICU, you are not fit to engage in competitive sports. It only means that you no longer require intensive care but you have to be under general care for a period of time because there is a risk of relapse.

To everyone who is doing bhangra over the picture, please understand the following: there is a difference between being under intensive care and being in the Intensive Care Ward (ICU)

Not every patient who is in the ICU ward is under intensive care. The reason Rizwan was placed in the ICU ward is because he was given extra protocol for being an international cricketer in the middle of a tournament.

He was isolated from others to reduce the chances of him catching an infection and to provide extra care. If he was an ordinary person he would not have been in the ICU.

It was a regular chest infection and he was admitted because it was time-sensitive because of the semifinal.

If he was on proper intensive care treatment which means he was on the brink of organ failure which means his life was in critical danger, this would have been breaking news into the semifinal.

There is no way the media would not have found out about this and there is no way PCB would have been able to keep a lid on it.

People wrongly assumed that Rizwan was under intensive care treatment and hence his life was under threat because of a picture of him lying in the ICU ward.

1. Fair enough, still he was sick and he recovered and was able to play the game in time. Compare that to amor who had issues with doing training this still is applaudable.

No one is saying rizwan walked out of the dead. Even hayden said it was a chest infection.

2. Some want to find reasons to bash rizwan as they hated him and it doesnt sit well with them rizwan performed. Their narratives are heavily biased.

3. Rizwan himself never made any such claims, it was only pcb and its staff doing the puhphi drama.

Anyways, [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] thanks for clearing this for all of us. Poor from pcb to milk a publicity stunt out of this

 

[Major]

Someone who finally understand some basics of medical science

Now, what is disappointing is Rizwan overselling this notion that he is a soldier and ready to sacrifice for country , and blah blah blah.. Nothing against him..
But either he doesn't;t understand what intensive care is or just making sure he is shown as some kind of saint or miracle to the world

Typical post by you hating on rizwan than in the same post claiming nothing against him.

Rizwan was sick at the end of the day, and he still played


Funny how the notion was that it was pcbs fault to play a sick man, now that it has been cleared that recovery is possible with the illness he had, same haters are bashing rizwan for doing drama.

The guy was sick, his recovery before the semi was a miracle. Even his doc said so, the guy who actually treated,

While on the field he was not talking that much and it could be linked to how he was feeling post

 

[Abdurmirr]

[MENTION=142466]iniqbal223[/MENTION] is 100% correct. This is a steaming pile of hot rubbish.

I won’t blame the non-medical people on this forum for buying into this crap because they can’t distinguish between a liver and a kidney, but I challenge every medical practitioner on this forum, who thinks this story is credible, to convince me that an ICU patient can be allowed to play in a competitive sporting match and just 48 hours after being intensive care.

Not a single doctor in the world will sanction this. Absolutely no chance. An intensive care patient is on the brink of organ failure.

It takes weeks for a patient under intensive care to be allowed to engage in rigorous physical activity simply because of the risk factor.

The first 72 hours of ICU discharge are crucial because the chances of destabilization are very high, let alone when you are engaging in physical activity that not only puts your body under duress but also your brain.

The UAE has an extremely professional healthcare system. In addition, the Dubai Health Authority (DHA) has fostered a cutthroat environment - they frequently revoke licenses of doctors and even hospitals because the level of competition is extremely high.

Every year, we see thousands of doctors applying for jobs and many new hospitals entering the industry.

If the PCB medical panel allowed Rizwan to play 48 hours after being discharged from ICU, the hospital will hold PCB accountable for extraordinary negligence.

They can actually take them to court because it is a huge red flag on DHA’s credibility and post-treatment care.

When you get discharged from ICU, you are not fit to engage in competitive sports. It only means that you no longer require intensive care but you have to be under general care for a period of time because there is a risk of relapse.

To everyone who is doing bhangra over the picture, please understand the following: there is a difference between being under intensive care and being in the Intensive Care Ward (ICU)

Not every patient who is in the ICU ward is under intensive care. The reason Rizwan was placed in the ICU ward is because he was given extra protocol for being an international cricketer in the middle of a tournament.

He was isolated from others to reduce the chances of him catching an infection and to provide extra care. If he was an ordinary person he would not have been in the ICU.

It was a regular chest infection and he was admitted because it was time-sensitive because of the semifinal.

If he was on proper intensive care treatment which means he was on the brink of organ failure which means his life was in critical danger, this would have been breaking news into the semifinal.

There is no way the media would not have found out about this and there is no way PCB would have been able to keep a lid on it.

People wrongly assumed that Rizwan was under intensive care treatment and hence his life was under threat because of a picture of him lying in the ICU ward.

Appreciate the rundown without bashing the poor guy. Can't really say anything else considering I have next to no knowledge in terms of medical concepts

How would you look at Rizwan's recovery though?

Considering he was suffering from a serious infection (media reports), would say the claims of his recovery time being "miraculous" are also exaggerated or is their some form of truth in those statements?

 

[Mamoon]

Someone who finally understand some basics of medical science

Now, what is disappointing is Rizwan overselling this notion that he is a soldier and ready to sacrifice for country , and blah blah blah.. Nothing against him..
But either he doesn't;t understand what intensive care is or just making sure he is shown as some kind of saint or miracle to the world

I won’t blame Rizwan for this. He seems like a genuine person. This was some cheap PR rubbish by PCB to compensate for the disappointment of losing the semifinal.

 

[Mamoon]

Appreciate the rundown without bashing the poor guy. Can't really say anything else considering I have next to no knowledge in terms of medical concepts

How would you look at Rizwan's recovery though?

Considering he was suffering from a serious infection (media reports), would say the claims of his recovery time being "miraculous" are also exaggerated or is their some form of truth in those statements?

I don’t think it was serious to begin with. It is not possible to recover from a serious, life-threatening infection within 48 hours, let alone play a professional cricket match.

A life-threatening infection means your organs are in a compromised state, which means that there is no possible way that you will be allowed to engage in a rigorous physical activity after just 2 days.

Rizwan would not have been admitted in the hospital if he wasn’t fighting against time. He would have received regular treatment and he would have been good to go after 4-5 days of rest like other young, healthy people.

But because Pakistan was playing a semifinal in 2 days, he was put on IV drugs which tends to accelerate recovery by a significant margin. Furthermore he also had to be isolated to ensure that he doesn’t catch infection.

The reason why he was put in the ICU is because he was being carefully monitored to ensure that he doesn’t develop any complications over the next 48 hours.

Moreover, he had to be admitted in the hospital because he was a threat to the other players. Half of Pakistan team could have been down before the semifinal if this was a viral infection.

Secondly, I suspect that he was also isolated and put in the ICU because of a potential COVID risk.

Although he initially tested negative, it could have been a false negative. They had to monitor him carefully for the next 48 hours and I’m certain he was tested multiple times a day.

Those whole narrative that Rizwan’s life was in danger and was put on life support before he miraculously recovered to fight for his country is just hilarious and desperate, and seems like a really awkward PR stunt by PCB.

 

[Concerned]

Rizwan has been on the side lines for years. He could not even get into his PSL team. Despite this, he has never shown any grudges since becoming a first choice player.

Point being, he is not one to seek attention. He would not want to circulate such pictures to get additional praises.

 

[Mamoon]

1. Fair enough, still he was sick and he recovered and was able to play the game in time. Compare that to amor who had issues with doing training this still is applaudable.

No one is saying rizwan walked out of the dead. Even hayden said it was a chest infection.

2. Some want to find reasons to bash rizwan as they hated him and it doesnt sit well with them rizwan performed. Their narratives are heavily biased.

3. Rizwan himself never made any such claims, it was only pcb and its staff doing the puhphi drama.

Anyways, [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] thanks for clearing this for all of us. Poor from pcb to milk a publicity stunt out of this

There is no reason to bash Rizwan for this. As far as I am know, we have not heard any over the top statements from Rizwan.

It is quite sad to see the hatred people have for Rizwan just because of their pathetic agendas. I can’t believe he has haters. He is a quality player, he works very hard, his attitude is fantastic. He is the heart and soul of this team and the best WK batsman Pakistan has ever had.

 

[Abdurmirr]

I don’t think it was serious to begin with. It is not possible to recover from a serious, life-threatening infection within 48 hours, let alone play a professional cricket match.

A life-threatening infection means your organs are in a compromised state, which means that there is no possible way that you will be allowed to engage in a rigorous physical activity after just 2 days.

Rizwan would not have been admitted in the hospital if he wasn’t fighting against time. He would have received regular treatment and he would have been good to go after 4-5 days of rest like other young, healthy people.

But because Pakistan was playing a semifinal in 2 days, he was put on IV drugs which tends to accelerate recovery by a significant margin. Furthermore he also had to be isolated to ensure that he doesn’t catch infection.

The reason why he was put in the ICU is because he was being carefully monitored to ensure that he doesn’t develop any complications over the next 48 hours.

Moreover, he had to be admitted in the hospital because he was a threat to the other players. Half of Pakistan team could have been down before the semifinal if this was a viral infection.

Secondly, I suspect that he was also isolated and put in the ICU because of a potential COVID risk.

Although he initially tested negative, it could have been a false negative. They had to monitor him carefully for the next 48 hours and I’m certain he was tested multiple times a day.

Those whole narrative that Rizwan’s life was in danger and was put on life support before he miraculously recovered to fight for his country is just hilarious and desperate, and seems like a really awkward PR stunt by PCB.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Makes sense why the doctor who treated him would also describe his recovery as "miraculous' as I'd assume he would have never had have to administer IV drugs on someone suffering from such an infection

 

[IMMY69]

Selfish cricketer. Should have not played if unfit

If not for atrocious full tosses by Australian bowlers today, he would not have even scored those runs

I think this would be a good time to bump this post...

 

[TheNightWatchman]

He was in an ICU bed - and not well. To me the fact that he willed himself to play in the game is credit enough and should be appreciated.

People trying to find faults in Rizwan or his desire to serve Pakistan are the ones who need to be ashamed of themselves - not Rizwan.

Not discrediting the amazing willpower of the guy. Check out my comment above. It was nothing short of amazing. A LRTI is no joke-especially one that required him to go to the hospital. And not only did he recover in the span of 2 days to play the semis, but to open, top score, and handling the gloves is incredible. Jordan flu game times 10.
I was only poking fun at the fact that people are under the assumption that he was in a critical state requiring ICU admission. That's all.

 

[MenInG]

Not discrediting the amazing willpower of the guy. Check out my comment above. It was nothing short of amazing. A LRTI is no joke-especially one that required him to go to the hospital. And not only did he recover in the span of 2 days to play the semis, but to open, top score, and handling the gloves is incredible. Jordan flu game times 10.
I was only poking fun at the fact that people are under the assumption that he was in a critical state requiring ICU admission. That's all.

No problem there bro.

I totally understood what you meant.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

It's difficult to beat Rizzu's passion for the game. It shows so on the field and the pressers too. His confidence, willpower and tenacity is such a breath of fresh air after seeing all the Sharjeel's and Umar Akmal's in the squad. His work ethic will definitely inspire not only his teammates but the future generation of cricketers who would have a chance to play with him.
A rare rare commodity for Pakistan cricket. Hope he continues the same way. This by the way is coming from a man who has been following and backing him since you posted about him in talent spotters back in 2015 [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]. See my posts about him in that Bangladesh tour of 2015. I saw it as a positive from the start and I'm glad his talents have been recognized finally in the last year.

 

[street cricketer]

Desis do like to romanticise things like this. I remember the story of Dhoni missing the birth of his daughter because of the WC in Australia making the headlines in India then in 2015. Or the most popular one of Sachin missing the funeral of his father while representing India. While the commitment of these players towards their job is certainly commendable, I think we as cricket fans also need to have some perspective.

Desi fans view cricket as an exercise of nationalism and so it makes them feel uber patriotic when they hear things like this. But it's a sport at the end of the day and these players are also doing their job, just like we do ours. It's completely okay if a player misses an important game because someone in his family passed away or if he isn't fully recovered due to a pressing health issue. I remember Kohli being ripped apart by many fans for missing the Border Gavaskar series in Australia to be with his wife for the birth of his first born child. Root and Williamson also took breaks to be for the birth of their first borns, but they never got criticised by the English or the Kiwis. I suppose we can learn some things from them to keep things in perspective.

 

[MenInG]

Desis do like to romanticise things like this. I remember the story of Dhoni missing the birth of his daughter because of the WC in Australia making the headlines in India then in 2015. Or the most popular one of Sachin missing the funeral of his father while representing India. While the commitment of these players towards their job is certainly commendable, I think we as cricket fans also need to have some perspective.

Desi fans view cricket as an exercise of nationalism and so it makes them feel uber patriotic when they hear things like this. But it's a sport at the end of the day and these players are also doing their job, just like we do ours. It's completely okay if a player misses an important game because someone in his family passed away or if he isn't fully recovered due to a pressing health issue. I remember Kohli being ripped apart by many fans for missing the Border Gavaskar series in Australia to be with his wife for the birth of his first born child. Root and Williamson also took breaks to be for the birth of their first borns, but they never got criticised by the English or the Kiwis. I suppose we can learn some things from them to keep things in perspective.

Which part of - he was very ill and recovered to comeback to play for Pakistan in a crucial game - do we not understand?

 

[street cricketer]

Which part of - he was very ill and recovered to comeback to play for Pakistan in a crucial game - do we not understand?

Umm..which part of my post was contesting that fact?

 

[moghul]

Being a Sr. medical professional (in USA) and an avid pakistan cricket follower; I can vouch from my experience , if someone is in ICU (Intensive Care Unit only meant for emergency protocols and intensive medical care) its hard to believe if someone recovers so quickly and went on to play a competitive sport from ICU

My guess is , he was sent to ICU (probably being an international athlete, not for his condition, which might still be a mild harmless fever) not for some life threatening procedures.. So please dont confuse ICU with Rizwan's harmless illness

That is why this whole sounds more staged than actual medical condition

I agree with you, being an Intensivist ( ICU doctor ) myself in USA for more than a decade IMO , its simply ridiculous to believe someone would play world cup semi final just after spending two days in ICU, its just not possible . I don;t know what was the wisdom behind creating this drama. But, its easily to fool uneducated public.

 

[MenInG]

Umm..which part of my post was contesting that fact?

The one where you feel we are romanticizing this.

The man was ill and ill enough to be put in an ICU ward, and he recovered and went back to play. Most of us would have taken a sickie.

 

[MenInG]

I agree with you, being an Intensivist ( ICU doctor ) myself in USA for more than a decade IMO , its simply ridiculous to believe someone would play world cup semi final just after spending two days in ICU, its just not possible . I don;t know what was the wisdom behind creating this drama. But, its easily to fool uneducated public.

He was not in intensive care but in the ward there for specialist care. Please understand that.

 

[dildilpak]

As i said before, this story seemed too good to be true & inspired by a bollywood movie & the doctors on this forum have all confirmed that. Shame on PCB for pulling a PR stunt on the back of somebody’s illness & make it out as if he risked his life to play the match. Also the Indian doctor who was giving interviews seems to be in it for publicity too.

Rizwan was & will be a hero even without all this fluff.

 

[Itachi]

He was not in intensive care but in the ward there for specialist care. Please understand that.

I think his point is, the specialist care was a luxury and not what he was required (otherwise he wouldn't have been able to play 2 days later). As you've already said, for other people it would have been general bed but since it was an international player, it was special care.

I don't blame Rizwan though. The people surrounding him and their reactions probably made him believe what he is saying and he is honest on that part.

 

[dildilpak]

He was not in intensive care but in the ward there for specialist care. Please understand that.

But thats not how PCB doctor worded it. They are all publicizing it that he played the match after 2 days in the ICU. Ordinary people who hear the word ICU only associate it with the most critical cases & the PCB is only misleading people by not clarifying the nature of his treatment.

 

[Itachi]

As i said before, this story seemed too good to be true & inspired by a bollywood movie & the doctors on this forum have all confirmed that. Shame on PCB for pulling a PR stunt on the back of somebody’s illness & make it out as if he risked his life to play the match. Also the Indian doctor who was giving interviews seems to be in it for publicity too.

Rizwan was & will be a hero even without all this fluff.

The doctor is milking it for publicity and to shine his portfolio. That's sure. And since he's a medicals professional, he is more aware of the circumstances than any other person in the same scenario. That's a bit morally wrong in my opinion.

 

[drubwrubnat]

In my own version, something like this couldve happened -

Obviously the man was in some breathing & discomfort due to maybe intake of some foreign food object or some other benign condition.

But since the symptoms may have been coincidental with some serious illness related to the breathing tract. So there was genuine concern till a certain point.

Now, doctors have several procedures to confirm this by process of elimination- , tests, diagnostic reports, checklist of vitals etc ,

Once the reports was double confirmed, everyone was alright and the initial scares went away.

Although im not sure of any of this, im pretty sure that doctors & chartered accountants, though the most useful, always err on the side of caution.

 

[iniqbal223]

I think this would be a good time to bump this post...

Thats true ; if someone is unfit then he should not play;
Still remember , in CT 2009, Younis khan had finger injury and yet he was playing (again fear of loosing place or captaincy)
Because its easy to milk from these situations; if player fails then it will all be like "He made a sacrifice for his country, and blah blah blah.." PR

Thats what I dont like from our players, that they are so insecure for their places that they won't even want to miss a single game (thinking what f the replacement mwould perform better...)

 

[iniqbal223]

Profile of the doctor who treated Rizwan.

https://www.medeor247dubai.com/publ..._FRAMES_Saheer_Sainalabdeen_DR.PRASANTH_2.png

To clear the air

That doctor in question is a pulmonologist with only 3 years of specialist experience , and rest of 5 years or so as a Fellow or Consultant
In my entire 20+ years of medical experience (fellow practitioners can confirm as well); If you are in Intensive care , no junior or fellow doctors are allowed to perform any procedures on you. This is for general public , let alone an international athlete like Rizwan. And 3 years is a very less experience for any doctor to deal with ICU cases..

So this might have happened :

Rizwan had mild fever, PCB doctors (being incompetent themselves) recommended him to visit the hospital.
As per protocol for being an athlete, he was kept in ICU ward to monitor his vitals that also includes blood tests, CT scan if needed, EKG arrays as well..

From my experience I can tell CT scan is little more radiation intensive than EKG itself. And I am pretty sure even for EKG tubes UAE hospitals are equipped with latest equipments (which are non invasive ones) .
Secondly, we also hear cases when a player get injured on field , is sent for CT scan; and we hear reports like "Some player was sent for CT scan, and reports come normal and he is fit to play the test match.."

And when everything is normal; he is discharged to continue his normal routine

Being a senior medical doctor; I was shocked at reports coming out from this incident with normal buzzwords like miracle, sacrifices , etc. discharged from ICU in 48 hrs, etc . And frankly speaking, PCB and that Doctor, the media channel which reported this, and Rizwan himself.. all milked in this publicity stunt (with some unaware what they were saying; while others knowingly)

 

[street cricketer]

The one where you feel we are romanticizing this.

The man was ill and ill enough to be put in an ICU ward, and he recovered and went back to play. Most of us would have taken a sickie.

I was criticising the media more for romanticising these things, fans just follow through. Sure, you could report on this, but not sure there was a need to publish the private photos of Rizwan in the ICU on treatment with EKG leads plastered all over his chest immediately after the loss. The Indian media is no better either, romanticising Dhoni being on national duty despite his wife giving birth in India.

Thing is, when you do that, the players who take a leave for personal reasons are seen as not being patriotic enough or not having enough commitment towards the national team, case in point the reactions when Kohli took leave for the birth of his daughter.

 

[iniqbal223]

I was criticising the media more for romanticising these things, fans just follow through. Sure, you could report on this, but not sure there was a need to publish the private photos of Rizwan in the ICU on treatment with EKG leads plastered all over his chest immediately after the loss. The Indian media is no better either, romanticising Dhoni being on national duty despite his wife giving birth in India.

Thing is, when you do that, the players who take a leave for personal reasons are seen as not being patriotic enough or not having enough commitment towards the national team, case in point the reactions when Kohli took leave for the birth of his daughter.

Probably true in South Asia culture; But here in USA , Doctor is not allowed to even give any Personally Identifiable Information , and medical condition of a patient. And this Jhola Chhaap doctor was telling everyone about someone's medical case and that too exaggerating it...

Such cases even sometimes lead to license getting revoked. Pathetic by whoever is staging all this

 

[MenInG]

I think his point is, the specialist care was a luxury and not what he was required (otherwise he wouldn't have been able to play 2 days later). As you've already said, for other people it would have been general bed but since it was an international player, it was special care.

I don't blame Rizwan though. The people surrounding him and their reactions probably made him believe what he is saying and he is honest on that part.

He is an elite sportsperson and he gets the treatment which is needed - it was felt that he should be looked after properly and he was, and it was in ICU.

Lets live with it.

 

[moghul]

I like Rizwan, he is very good cricketer, hardworking and committed team man . I want him to be in news only for cricketing reason . I don't know whether its his fault of people around him that every other day he is in news for some non-sense drama , not related to cricket.

In recent past he was in news for playing test cricket and while fasting , then he created that unnecessary drama by start praying on the wicket during the match. And now, this utter nonsense of walking straight from ICU bed to the cricket ground. Even more pathetic fact is that some people are buying it and making him a hero, just for that, unbelievable .

 

[moghul]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan Team doctor<br><br>"Mohammad Rizwan developed a severe chest infection on 9th November after which he was admitted to hospital & spent 2 nights in the ICU. He made an incredible recovery to be fit for the match" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/T20WorldCup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#T20WorldCup</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1458867441371648008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 11, 2021</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Rizwan in hospital the night before the match against Australia. He had developed a severe chest infection and spent 2 nights in the ICU <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/T20WorldCup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#T20WorldCup</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a> <a href="https://t.co/E7qbcxdJmg">pic.twitter.com/E7qbcxdJmg</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1458891966503137289?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 11, 2021</a></blockquote>
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Being an ICU doctor for long time, I thought I have seen everything, probably not. Never seen a pt admitted to ICU with respiratory problem but not requiring supplement oxygen , not even by nasal cannula . Well there is always a first time .

 

[moghul]

Probably true in South Asia culture; But here in USA , Doctor is not allowed to even give any Personally Identifiable Information , and medical condition of a patient. And this Jhola Chhaap doctor was telling everyone about someone's medical case and that too exaggerating it...

Such cases even sometimes lead to license getting revoked. Pathetic by whoever is staging all this

Everything in this story does not make any sense, not just medically also ethically , medical ethics , anywhere in the world .

 

[IMMY69]

Thats true ; if someone is unfit then he should not play;
Still remember , in CT 2009, Younis khan had finger injury and yet he was playing (again fear of loosing place or captaincy)
Because its easy to milk from these situations; if player fails then it will all be like "He made a sacrifice for his country, and blah blah blah.." PR

Thats what I dont like from our players, that they are so insecure for their places that they won't even want to miss a single game (thinking what f the replacement mwould perform better...)

But who plays the game is not down to Rizwan.
Calling him selfish is ridiculous.
If you want to castigate someone then have a go at the coach or captain but this can't be blamed on Rizwan.

The fact that Rozwan did play and end up being the highest scorer should be commendable. Agree?

 

[iniqbal223]

But who plays the game is not down to Rizwan.
Calling him selfish is ridiculous.
If you want to castigate someone then have a go at the coach or captain but this can't be blamed on Rizwan.

The fact that Rozwan did play and end up being the highest scorer should be commendable. Agree?

As I said, I am not against Rizwan, he is a good player.. But again same old tactics that were used before by Akmals (where they were at peak).. Too much over hyping.. If PCB can spare rizwan some time and Rizwan works on his weaknesses; he will become much better than he is today..
I dont want Rizzi going the same way, where he becomes too fond of limelight and want to be in news for good or bad reasons
He still has a long way to go ; only if focus should be on his batting, winning matches for the team; rather than in news for some other reasons; That is where I like Sarfaraz, no news at all (given he was not performing) But guy wanted to stay away from reels

 

[Itachi]

He is an elite sportsperson and he gets the treatment which is needed - it was felt that he should be looked after properly and he was, and it was in ICU.

Lets live with it.

I think it's not the action of Rizwan who is irking the medical community but the doctor who treated him and medical staff of team management. It's kind of insulting and paints a wrong picture.

If you are a journalist and someone is doing yellow journalism, you would too feel a bit upset since it was disrespect to the professional that you are in.

Rizwan is an innocent party here who is going by narrative of the above mentioned medical staffs.

 

[MenInG]

I think it's not the action of Rizwan who is irking the medical community but the doctor who treated him and medical staff of team management. It's kind of insulting and paints a wrong picture.

If you are a journalist and someone is doing yellow journalism, you would too feel a bit upset since it was disrespect to the professional that you are in.

Rizwan is an innocent party here who is going by narrative of the above mentioned medical staffs.

As a journalist, you will go by what the doctor said. He said Rizwan spent 2 days (or nights) in ICU which he did. Whether he was intubated, induced coma etc was not indicated.

 

[Itachi]

As a journalist, you will go by what the doctor said. He said Rizwan spent 2 days (or nights) in ICU which he did. Whether he was intubated, induced coma etc was not indicated.

MenInG, you misunderstood. Yellow journalism was an example (not saying reporters reported the wrong news).

The doctors here are a bit upset (for lack of better words) because the doctors are misleading the others. It's similar to how a journalist may do yellow journalism yet, as an ethical journalist, you can see through the lies and feel, "why disrespect the profession?"

Its the doctors who are overhyping and other doctors simply knows the standard procedure hence pointing out the flaws.

Except the medical professionals, the other parties are innocent and has been feed in to something that isn't true.

 

[iniqbal223]

MenInG, you misunderstood. Yellow journalism was an example (not saying reporters reported the wrong news).

The doctors here are a bit upset (for lack of better words) because the doctors are misleading the others. It's similar to how a journalist may do yellow journalism yet, as an ethical journalist, you can see through the lies and feel, "why disrespect the profession?"

Its the doctors who are overhyping and other doctors simply knows the standard procedure hence pointing out the flaws.

Except the medical professionals, the other parties are innocent and has been feed in to something that isn't true.

I can guarantee you no medical professional ( at least in USA) is slated to give this kind of statement ..Shows he may be a jr. doctor, a consulting doctor, or a other doctor whose work visa is going to be expired soon (so trying to be in some news), or it was just a slip of tongue.. I think we will never know right reasons behind it.. Also shows how incompetent PCB medics are..
I think this is some overdoing & overhyping by PCB media as well;

Aș per media report:

"Rizwan was, however, hospitalised on November 9 and was discharged the next day but kept under observation in the hotel.."

 

[Adi_62945]

[MENTION=142466]iniqbal223[/MENTION] is 100% correct. This is a steaming pile of hot rubbish.

I won’t blame the non-medical people on this forum for buying into this crap because they can’t distinguish between a liver and a kidney, but I challenge every medical practitioner on this forum, who thinks this story is credible, to convince me that an ICU patient can be allowed to play in a competitive sporting match and just 48 hours after being intensive care.

Not a single doctor in the world will sanction this. Absolutely no chance. An intensive care patient is on the brink of organ failure.

It takes weeks for a patient under intensive care to be allowed to engage in rigorous physical activity simply because of the risk factor.

The first 72 hours of ICU discharge are crucial because the chances of destabilization are very high, let alone when you are engaging in physical activity that not only puts your body under duress but also your brain.

The UAE has an extremely professional healthcare system. In addition, the Dubai Health Authority (DHA) has fostered a cutthroat environment - they frequently revoke licenses of doctors and even hospitals because the level of competition is extremely high.

Every year, we see thousands of doctors applying for jobs and many new hospitals entering the industry.

If the PCB medical panel allowed Rizwan to play 48 hours after being discharged from ICU, the hospital will hold PCB accountable for extraordinary negligence.

They can actually take them to court because it is a huge red flag on DHA’s credibility and post-treatment care.

When you get discharged from ICU, you are not fit to engage in competitive sports. It only means that you no longer require intensive care but you have to be under general care for a period of time because there is a risk of relapse.

To everyone who is doing bhangra over the picture, please understand the following: there is a difference between being under intensive care and being in the Intensive Care Ward (ICU)

Not every patient who is in the ICU ward is under intensive care. The reason Rizwan was placed in the ICU ward is because he was given extra protocol for being an international cricketer in the middle of a tournament.

He was isolated from others to reduce the chances of him catching an infection and to provide extra care. If he was an ordinary person he would not have been in the ICU.

It was a regular chest infection and he was admitted because it was time-sensitive because of the semifinal.

If he was on proper intensive care treatment which means he was on the brink of organ failure which means his life was in critical danger, this would have been breaking news into the semifinal.

There is no way the media would not have found out about this and there is no way PCB would have been able to keep a lid on it.

People wrongly assumed that Rizwan was under intensive care treatment and hence his life was under threat because of a picture of him lying in the ICU ward.

Agreed with above. I live in UAE and system works exactly as described above. We as a Pakistani should stat believing in logic rather than superstition or emotions

Note: Aussies won that time when I saw the sense of confidence and calmness in their player's faces after Pakistan took 4 or 5 wickets and Stoinis and Wade were looking like nothing happened. Its there culture and part of teaching i guess

 

[MenInG]

This thread is not to discuss the differences in medical practices in UAE vs USA or even Pakistan or India.

 

[Adi_62945]

Someone who finally understand some basics of medical science

Now, what is disappointing is Rizwan overselling this notion that he is a soldier and ready to sacrifice for country , and blah blah blah.. Nothing against him..
But either he doesn't;t understand what intensive care is or just making sure he is shown as some kind of saint or miracle to the world

Rizwan seems like a typical over emotional player who just driven by his emotions. He can be very cute sometimes. It all falls to the education these players get when they were kids. its not there mistake.

 

[drubwrubnat]

Rizwan seems like a typical over emotional player who just driven by his emotions. He can be very cute sometimes. It all falls to the education these players get when they were kids. its not there mistake.

We are totally willing to concede this point as i find one such poster here who fits this description by the name [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION]

 

[Ashmal]

I like Rizwan, he is very good cricketer, hardworking and committed team man . I want him to be in news only for cricketing reason . I don't know whether its his fault of people around him that every other day he is in news for some non-sense drama , not related to cricket.

In recent past he was in news for playing test cricket and while fasting , then he created that unnecessary drama by start praying on the wicket during the match. And now, this utter nonsense of walking straight from ICU bed to the cricket ground. Even more pathetic fact is that some people are buying it and making him a hero, just for that, unbelievable .

He's a hero, ICU or no ICU....learn to appreciate the effort and hardwork of someone who put his health on the line for the team.

Btw fasting and praying is no drama......it's not Rizwan's fault if some people find it unnecessary or attention-seeking.

 

[Itachi]

He's a hero, ICU or no ICU....learn to appreciate the effort and hardwork of someone who put his health on the line for the team.

Btw fasting and praying is no drama......it's not Rizwan's fault if some people find it unnecessary or attention-seeking.

Being a hero is subjective. For different people, the same protagonist can be antagonist too. However this isn't the case here but pointing out the flaw in your argument.

If someone is injured, playing for the country can be heroic but there will be physical limitations which may hurt the team in the end. It's heroic but bad for the team.

 

[iniqbal223]

Its heroic or not but he performed well however he consumed too many balls. But the thing is he should not over exaggerate non-cricketing things in press conferences or on field. Have you seen moeen ali, hashim amla or other non pakistani muslim cricketers doing religion drama.

Just about to say; I met Moeen when he visited California.. what a humble man
No frills , no show offs

 

[Adi_62945]

Being a hero is subjective. For different people, the same protagonist can be antagonist too. However this isn't the case here but pointing out the flaw in your argument.

If someone is injured, playing for the country can be heroic but there will be physical limitations which may hurt the team in the end. It's heroic but bad for the team.

Even its bad your self being. You are a cricketer not a soldier man.

 

[the Great Khan]

Its heroic or not but he performed well however he consumed too many balls. But the thing is he should not over exaggerate non-cricketing things in press conferences or on field. Have you seen moeen ali, hashim amla or other non pakistani muslim cricketers doing religion drama.

Who's over exaggerating? He was in hospital. The Dr said he would be down for a week. He was back up in a couple of days. It shows determination and grit. Instead of celebrating great human traits your are denigrating these with your cynicism and negativity. No wonder we Muslims are in the dire state we are in. Just learn to appreciate good positive things and ignore the toxicity.

Rizwan is a proper street fighting cricketer and his jazba isnwhat we want to see win or lose..appreciate it for goodness sake.

 

[the Great Khan]

Being a hero is subjective. For different people, the same protagonist can be antagonist too. However this isn't the case here but pointing out the flaw in your argument.

If someone is injured, playing for the country can be heroic but there will be physical limitations which may hurt the team in the end. It's heroic but bad for the team.

You wouldn't say the same thing if it was an Indian so please don't give us a lecture on what we want to celebrate..thanks.

 

[street cricketer]

Yes, because pakistani cricketers have to become good show off muslims. its in their DNA. I know rizwan is cute and humble which is best thing but please do not bring religion cards when you win some few matches.

I don't think Rizwan does it for show off. I think he is just a very devout muslim and religion plays a huge role in his life, probably even more than his teammates The other day, I read an article in Australian media about Hayden saying he received a knock to his door one night, and Rizwan was standing with an english translation of the Quran to gift to Hayden. They apparently sat down and talked a good half hour on Islam and just general spiritual stuff.

This was revealed by Hayden and not Rizwan or anyone else. I just think he's a deeply religious guy, reminds me of Inzamam in a lot of ways.

 

[the Great Khan]

If you read my comments, i actually like this guy as he is cute and humble and a fighter. But what we dont want to see his religion drama after every win. The world will not buy this stuff on field where your main job is to perform thru cricketing means.

It's not a drama. It's genuine. And as far as I can tell the majority of Pakistan fans are appreciating it. To riz his deen is part of his everyday life and its up to others to decide whatever they want. If you have a problem with somebody wearing their religion on their sleeve then that's really an issue for you not riz.

 

[Adi_62945]

It's not a drama. It's genuine. And as far as I can tell the majority of Pakistan fans are appreciating it. To riz his deen is part of his everyday life and its up to others to decide whatever they want. If you have a problem with somebody wearing their religion on their sleeve then that's really an issue for you not riz.

I know he want to practice his faith, religion but what he is doing is marketing and display which is not required onfield. Never seen anything like this from moeen ali, hashim amla, etc etc which doesnt make them a less muslim

 

[MenInG]

Mohammad Rizwan has rested for practice today - well deserved if I may say so.

 

[MenInG]

I know he want to practice his faith, religion but what he is doing is marketing and display which is not required onfield. Never seen anything like this from moeen ali, hashim amla, etc etc which doesnt make them a less muslim

We will not be discussing this on this thread.

 

[Itachi]

You wouldn't say the same thing if it was an Indian so please don't give us a lecture on what we want to celebrate..thanks.

If you want to celebrate, that's your prerogative and you have every right to do so nor I do have an objection to it. I am simply stating my view in PP. You don't need to be agitated simply because someone doesn't share your view point.

 

[the Great Khan]

I know he want to practice his faith, religion but what he is doing is marketing and display which is not required onfield. Never seen anything like this from moeen ali, hashim amla, etc etc which doesnt make them a less muslim

Again he isn't doing anything of the sort but keep corrupting a feel good story because that's what you guys are good at doing. Any good news positive story for Pakistan the usual suspects come on to denigrate. As Pakistan fans we enjoy the jazba and feel it should be a part of a Pakistani player. Islam is part of that. Its not really our problem if it makes you feel uncomfortable as an Indian.

 

[the Great Khan]

If you want to celebrate, that's your prerogative and you have every right to do so nor I do have an objection to it. I am simply stating my view in PP. You don't need to be agitated simply because someone doesn't share your view point.

That's fine. I have no problem with somebody expressing their opinion but some opinions are simply to be ignored. Especially when it comes to things like this.

 

[MenInG]

We will not be discussing this on this thread.

One more reminder.

 

[Arajit]

Its incredible how Rizwan fought the illness and performed the best of all batters in the semi-final. And hats-off to him for his endurance and love for his nation to perform.

But I want to draw attention to other aspect here (Medical practitioners may judge and clarify better)

As being discussed he was put of IV Drugs to speed up his recovery. Some drugs used to fight infections like lung infection are banned under anti-doping regime (one may refer to Prithvi shaw been banned for taking a drug called Terbutaline inadvertently to treat a Respiratory Tract Infection and not as a performance-enhancing drug)

I wonder whether drugs used to treat him were permitted under anti doping regime. What if those drugs were banned and it reveals in the random dope test sampling for Rizwan.

I dont have very through knowledge about medicine and medical conditions. I request Medical practitioners provide insight on the same.

 

[IMMY69]

As I said, I am not against Rizwan, he is a good player.. But again same old tactics that were used before by Akmals (where they were at peak).. Too much over hyping.. If PCB can spare rizwan some time and Rizwan works on his weaknesses; he will become much better than he is today..
I dont want Rizzi going the same way, where he becomes too fond of limelight and want to be in news for good or bad reasons
He still has a long way to go ; only if focus should be on his batting, winning matches for the team; rather than in news for some other reasons; That is where I like Sarfaraz, no news at all (given he was not performing) But guy wanted to stay away from reels

I bet you were laughing when you wrote this?

Look you've been exposed as Simone who hates Rizwan and then you tried to expose him by stating medical stuff and how it was impossible for him to be in ICU and then play the next day.

Put the ICU bit aside and just explain why you called him selfish and that he only hit big full tosses?