Mohammad Salah's Christmas tweet

[MenInG]

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[MenInG]

Some interesting replies to this - not sure what Salah was thinking when he did this?

 

[TSA321]

not sure what Salah was thinking when he did this?

He obviously doesn't see an issue with celebrating Christmas. Not sure what some people's problem are

 

[Firebat]

He's really gone full on with the tree and outfits and presents

 

[Local.Dada]

So what’s wrong?

 

[IMMY69]

Good for him.

 

[Mesozoic]

I wanted to mention the same thing on the other Christmas thread but refrained from it for obvious reasons.

I follow Salah on Instagram and he posted the same over there and most of the comments were "haram", "How can you be a Muslim" , "kaffir", "Shame on you" etc etc.

I thought only idol worshipping is forbidden in Islam. Didn't think decorating a tree to celebrate an occasion is too.

 

[FreakCricket]

So what’s wrong?

People will say imitating the kuffars is not permissible!

 

[Mesozoic]

- not sure what Salah was thinking when he did this?

Oh wow.

So you think he did something wrong?

 

[MenInG]

Some interesting replies to this - not sure what Salah was thinking when he did this?

I have no view on this - its his choice but as a Muslim, its bound to attract comment.

 

[Hasan123]

Absolutely disgraceful. If you want to celebrate Christmas, don't post your sin for everyone to see. It is pretty clear that Muslims don't celebrate Christmas.

 

[Vegitto1]

All about niyaat- if he celebrates it as a holiday then there is no issue - if he believes in Christmas then it’s a sin.

It’s all about your intention when doing something

I let off fire crackers on Diwali, does that mean I am a Hindu?

 

[Realromeo]

Whatever it is, it's his choice. This is only going to make the muslim community bad when you react like this.

 

[Major]

we can't allow people to live their lives.


Could see snide marks

 

[Madplayer]

Personally i have no view on it. If someone wants to do it, he shouldnt be hounded. But attracting no comments is not possible in the real world.

However, I dont see the point of a practicing muslim doing all of this. I dont see Christian celebs celebrating Eid like this ever. Never saw a white christian celeb doing a Qurbani on Eid Al Adha to show inclusiveness and solidarity with muslims.

 

[uberkoen]

Absolutely disgraceful. If you want to celebrate Christmas, don't post your sin for everyone to see. It is pretty clear that Muslims don't celebrate Christmas.

lol. Since when is celebrating a holiday considered to be a sin? Muslims don't want to celebrate holidays but are okay with following pagan rituals

 

[Mamoon]

Personally i have no view on it. If someone wants to do it, he shouldnt be hounded. But attracting no comments is not possible in the real world.

However, I dont see the point of a practicing muslim doing all of this. I dont see Christian celebs celebrating Eid like this ever. Never saw a white christian celeb doing a Qurbani on Eid Al Adha to show inclusiveness and solidarity with muslims.

Christmas is no longer purely a religious festival. It is largely secular now and the most popular holiday in the globe. On the other hand Eid is still purely a religious festival.

People from all religions celebrate Christmas and get off from work. It is only among Muslims and especially Pakistanis that celebrating Christmas is deemed as a sin, even though they happily take days off from work or school and enjoy the holidays.

Also, you can marry a Christian but cannot wish them Merry Christmas. That is hilarious and dumb.

We have had a Christmas tree in our home for generations now and it didn’t make us Christian.

 

[El Generico]

Christmas is no longer purely a religious festival. It is largely secular now and the most popular holiday in the globe. On the other hand Eid is still purely a religious festival.

People from all religions celebrate Christmas and get off from work. It is only among Muslims and especially Pakistanis that celebrating Christmas is deemed as a sin, even though they happily take days off from work or school and enjoy the holidays.

Also, you can marry a Christian but cannot wish them Merry Christmas. That is hilarious and dumb.

We have had a Christmas tree in our home for generations now and it didn’t make us Christian.

Most Jewish people I know don’t celebrate Christmas at all. I don’t think I have ever met a religious Jewish person who got a Christmas tree. So it’s not just a Muslim or Pakistani thing.

 

[Thomaskutty]

lol. Since when is celebrating a holiday considered to be a sin? Muslims don't want to celebrate holidays but are okay with following pagan rituals

I think Hasan was being tongue-in-cheek. Surely? Then again, you never know on this forum.

 

[Madplayer]

Christmas is no longer purely a religious festival. It is largely secular now and the most popular holiday in the globe. On the other hand Eid is still purely a religious festival.

People from all religions celebrate Christmas and get off from work. It is only among Muslims and especially Pakistanis that celebrating Christmas is deemed as a sin, even though they happily take days off from work or school and enjoy the holidays.

Also, you can marry a Christian but cannot wish them Merry Christmas. That is hilarious and dumb.

We have had a Christmas tree in our home for generations now and it didn’t make us Christian.

First of all it will always have religious connotations. But it doesnt matter if its a religious or secular festival. Muslims are advised to stay away from any celebrations which are alien to our schools of thought because they can have far reaching cultural consequences over a period of time.

Yes muslims take holidays on christmas. What can they do? Tell the employer that they wanna work over time on these days because they dont celeberate the festival?

As someone pointed out, Jews dont celebrate Christmas as well. So its not a Pakistani or muslim thing only.

You marrying a Christian doesnt mean you approve of the corruptions in their faith (as per Islamic monotheism). Its just that it is believe that people of the book could be compatible with muslims as compared to pagans given the many similarities in the belief system.

Like i said i wont ask anyone to stop celebrating it. Even though many scholars believe that celebrating it is a tacit approval of the son of god theory even if it is in the slightest. Some scholars dont find anything wrong in it apart from the fact that nobody knows when Jesus was actually born and confirming the date is a problem.

I guess its a power thing though. I am sure when muslims ruled the world, average christians would have done the same with Eid. Celebrated it to show how they are not enemies of muslims so as to attract favours etc. So that also could be a factor.

 

[Giannis]

I don't why people are shocked about the comments. Salah's fans are mostly young Muslims from developing countries who are conservative so they're bound to comment.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Most Jewish people I know don’t celebrate Christmas at all. I don’t think I have ever met a religious Jewish person who got a Christmas tree. So it’s not just a Muslim or Pakistani thing.

Bringing Jews into this discussion is dumb because they view Jesus as an illegitimate child and an imposter Prophet. Obviously they're not going to celebrate a Man who they consider as a false Prophet.

 

[Space Cat]

Christmas has evolved beyond a religious celebration these days.

 

[James]

Good for him.

 

[Hasan123]

lol. Since when is celebrating a holiday considered to be a sin? Muslims don't want to celebrate holidays but are okay with following pagan rituals

You cannot celebrate Christmas as a Muslim. Find me Hadith or where it says in the Quran you can.

I don't follow any pagan rituals.

 

[Madplayer]

Bringing Jews into this discussion is dumb because they view Jesus as an illegitimate child and an imposter Prophet. Obviously they're not going to celebrate a Man who they consider as a false Prophet.

But muslims also dont believe in the "begotten son of god" theory and consider it the biggest slander against God.

 

[uberkoen]

You cannot celebrate Christmas as a Muslim. Find me Hadith or where it says in the Quran you can.

I don't follow any pagan rituals.

Find me Hadith or where it says in the Quran that you can't. You're the one saying it's not allowed so the burden of proof should be on you.

 

[Hasan123]

Find me Hadith or where it says in the Quran that you can't. You're the one saying it's not allowed so the burden of proof should be on you.

So it is okay to celebrate a Christian event? Christmas is about the birthday of Jesus and about what they believe about his life. Christians believe Jesus is the son of God, so your telling me it is okay to do that?

 

[pakistani pride]

Some people seriously over react to every thing. Whats wrong in having a tree at home and celebrate?

It doesnt mean your not muslim anymore!
Besides let people do what they feel good with.

 

[uberkoen]

So it is okay to celebrate a Christian event? Christmas is about the birthday of Jesus and about what they believe about his life. Christians believe Jesus is the son of God, so your telling me it is okay to do that?

did you find a hadith or an ayah from Quran prohibiting Muslims from celebrating Christmas?

 

[Hasan123]

did you find a hadith or an ayah from Quran prohibiting Muslims from celebrating Christmas?

If you want to celebrate an event where the religion in question refers to a person being the son of God, that is upto you. The punishment for saying Allah has family is well known. So if you want to celebrate or defend it, that is upto you.

 

[uberkoen]

If you want to celebrate an event where the religion in question refers to a person being the son of God, that is upto you. The punishment for saying Allah has family is well known. So if you want to celebrate or defend it, that is upto you.

Are you making up things on your own or are you going to back up what you're saying via Hadith or the Quran?

 

[Usman]

So it is okay to celebrate a Christian event? Christmas is about the birthday of Jesus and about what they believe about his life. Christians believe Jesus is the son of God, so your telling me it is okay to do that?

Oh come off it, seriously. He's decorated a tree and is enjoying some family time in a totally harmless way. This is hardly an application to be the next pope!

 

[topspin]

Christmas is no longer purely a religious festival. It is largely secular now and the most popular holiday in the globe. On the other hand Eid is still purely a religious festival.

People from all religions celebrate Christmas and get off from work. It is only among Muslims and especially Pakistanis that celebrating Christmas is deemed as a sin, even though they happily take days off from work or school and enjoy the holidays.

Also, you can marry a Christian but cannot wish them Merry Christmas. That is hilarious and dumb.

We have had a Christmas tree in our home for generations now and it didn’t make us Christian.

Hit the nail on the head here.

Lets say a Muslim married to a Christian wife who celebrates Christmas every year. Can you imagine if her husband was to say "you can celebrate Christmas but I won't join you"

 

[Technics 1210]

The world is in dire straits but a Muslim footballer, playing for an English club, seen spending time with his family, on a day which at the very least reminds us of Jesus (PBUH), who as Muslims must believe in, who is mentioned in the Qur'an more times than any other messenger (barring Moses (PBUH)) BUT a xmas tree decorated with lights is a problem for parts of the Muslim world.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

Whoever said education is the silver bullet deserves every academic prize available.

 

[Madplayer]

Hit the nail on the head here.

Lets say a Muslim married to a Christian wife who celebrates Christmas every year. Can you imagine if her husband was to say "you can celebrate Christmas but I won't join you"

These things need to be cleared before marriage. Not after it. If it is being cleared after marriage then both husband and wife are dumb.

 

[I think therfore I am]

The world is in dire straits but a Muslim footballer, playing for an English club, seen spending time with his family, on a day which at the very least reminds us of Jesus (PBUH), who as Muslims must believe in, who is mentioned in the Qur'an more times than any other messenger (barring Moses (PBUH)) BUT a xmas tree decorated with lights is a problem for parts of the Muslim world.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

Whoever said education is the silver bullet deserves every academic prize available.

Christmas 25th December, Christmas trees etc has nothing to do with Christianity. A little Armchair Google research, will show this. Muslims may celebrate Eid on differnt days and never get the day right. However they know what they are celebrating.

People can celebrate what and how they want when they want. It's just comical just to fit in and be seen as progressive, that some people do certain things.

If tommorow there was a tradition to eat beef or pork on a certain date every year. Is it OK to do as it's part of the holiday spirit. Or maybe people would just post pics of a beef burger or ham sandwich, on their social medias.

 

[Technics 1210]

Christmas 25th December, Christmas trees etc has nothing to do with Christianity. A little Armchair Google research, will show this. Muslims may celebrate Eid on differnt days and never get the day right. However they know what they are celebrating.

People can celebrate what and how they want when they want. It's just comical just to fit in and be seen as progressive, that some people do certain things.

If tommorow there was a tradition to eat beef or pork on a certain date every year. Is it OK to do as it's part of the holiday spirit. Or maybe people would just post pics of a beef burger or ham sandwich, on their social medias.

Xmas is a celebration of Jesus - nothing more nothing less. Xmas day however has evolved into Western holiday. Don't confuse the 2.

 

[I think therfore I am]

Xmas is a celebration of Jesus - nothing more nothing less. Xmas day however has evolved into Western holiday. Don't confuse the 2.

If that's your premise "Xmas is a celebration of Jesus"

It should then at least be celebrated on the correct day. In accordance to the holy book of Jesus, the Bible. Please read Jeremiah 10:1-25.

What Xmas has evolved into, is a non spiritual celebration of excess, with a few token charity gestures.

 

[Rayyman]

This dude is a Grade A poser

 

[guna]

You are not allowed to initiate salam with non-Muslims. So wishing someone merry Christmas is out of question.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You are not allowed to initiate salam with non-Muslims. So wishing someone merry Christmas is out of question.

Has there been a fatwa issued yet condemning Salah as a munafiq? I mean apart from by Uberkoen?

 

[El Generico]

But muslims also dont believe in the "begotten son of god" theory and consider it the biggest slander against God.

Exactly, while Muslims and Jews may have different views, both don’t agree with the main concept of Christmas.


[MENTION=2355]ishtiaq[/MENTION]_crg how come it’s ok for a Jewish person to not celebrate Christmas or forbid Christmas celebrations but a Muslim doing the same is an extremist ?

At least have some consistency in your views.

 

[guna]

Exactly, while Muslims and Jews may have different views, both don’t agree with the main concept of Christmas.


[MENTION=2355]ishtiaq[/MENTION]_crg how come it’s ok for a Jewish person to not celebrate Christmas or forbid Christmas celebrations but a Muslim doing the same is an extremist ?

At least have some consistency in your views.

You have every right to stick to your beliefs.

 

[guna]

Has there been a fatwa issued yet condemning Salah as a munafiq? I mean apart from by Uberkoen?

No one should condemn Salah. He is doing what he feels right. Muslims can use verbal criticism of his actions. Free exchange of ideas should be encouraged.

 

[offstump]

I think Mo Salah has succeeded in spreading the Christmas spirit in this thread. Some of the replies are comical; “find me a verse in the Quran” it’s like some posters have never read the Quran or taken the time to understand it. There won’t be a specific ayaat condemning putting up a Christmas tree on Dec 25 at the very least as a Muslim we should stop judging others, let people live their lives and assume their intentions are pure and maybe smile once in a while and live a happy life.

 

[IMMY69]

I think some posters here need a little Christmas joy in their lives.

 

[Giannis]

Christmas is no longer purely a religious festival. It is largely secular now and the most popular holiday in the globe. On the other hand Eid is still purely a religious festival.

People from all religions celebrate Christmas and get off from work. It is only among Muslims and especially Pakistanis that celebrating Christmas is deemed as a sin, even though they happily take days off from work or school and enjoy the holidays.

Also, you can marry a Christian but cannot wish them Merry Christmas. That is hilarious and dumb.

We have had a Christmas tree in our home for generations now and it didn’t make us Christian.

That is not true, at least not in America. Over here Christmas is very much a religious festival and while it has been commercialized and non-Christians do join and celebrate sometimes, it's still a religious festival and most Americans still wake up to attend the morning Christmas church service. Perhaps in Europe and other countries it is no longer a religious festival but at least in America it still is and America is the main country of the world.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Exactly, while Muslims and Jews may have different views, both don’t agree with the main concept of Christmas.


[MENTION=2355]ishtiaq[/MENTION]_crg how come it’s ok for a Jewish person to not celebrate Christmas or forbid Christmas celebrations but a Muslim doing the same is an extremist ?

At least have some consistency in your views.

Because for a jew Jesus was nothing but a false Prophet who tried to corrupt the jewish religion and was a blasphemous whereas We muslims hail Jesus as a Prophet of God. Allah calls Jesus(PBUH) the word of Allah in Quran. As per Quran, he's one of the greatest messengers and there's nothing wrong in celebrating the life of Jesus.

After migration to Medina, Rasool Muhammad(PBUH) found jews to be fasting on 10th muharram. Upon asking the reason for fasting, jews replied that on this very date Prophet Moses(PBUH)& his people got freedom and pharoh with his men drowned on nile.
Hearing it, Prophet didnt questioned them. He didnt asked them about the accuracy of the date. He didnt asked them about their doctrine of Moses and in which manner they believed in him. He said we would fast too as we are more closer to Prophet Moses than you.
So it is evident that celebrating the lives of Prophets are ok. And to correct you, I didnt used the extremist word.

 

[Tubs]

Why do a non-zero number of Muslims feel the need to judge and police other's actions? This happens all the time when things like this happen. Christmas is largely tradition, and secular. But even if it was still very religious in the UK, Salah and his family can celebrate it without rebuke. It's not hard.

 

[Tubs]

Some interesting replies to this - not sure what Salah was thinking when he did this?

Are you suggesting he did something bad?

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

You are not allowed to initiate salam with non-Muslims. So wishing someone merry Christmas is out of question.

Az-Zukhruf 43:88

English - Sahih International
And [ Allah acknowledges] his saying, "O my Lord, indeed these are a people who do not believe."

English - Yusuf Ali
(Allah has knowledge) of the (Prophet's) cry, "O my Lord! Truly these are people who will not believe!"

Az-Zukhruf 43:89

English - Sahih International
So turn aside from them and say, "Peace." But they are going to know.

English - Yusuf Ali
But turn away from them, and say "Peace!" But soon shall they know!

Al-Qasas 28:55

English - Sahih International
And when they hear ill speech, they turn away from it and say, "For us are our deeds, and for you are your deeds. Peace will be upon you; we seek not the ignorant."

English - Yusuf Ali
And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: "To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant."

Al-Qasas 28:56

English - Sahih International
Indeed, [O Muhammad], you do not guide whom you like, but Allah guides whom He wills. And He is most knowing of the [rightly] guided.

English - Yusuf Ali
It is true thou wilt not be able to guide every one, whom thou lovest; but Allah guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance.

Your claim is certainly contrary to the Holy Book.

 

[emranabbas]

Many white people who celebrate Christmas in UK are not even Christians or religious it's just a holiday. I have also seen Muslims have a Christmas tree up in their houses

 

[Giannis]

Many white people who celebrate Christmas in UK are not even Christians or religious it's just a holiday. I have also seen Muslims have a Christmas tree up in their houses

It's still part of their heritage, they're cultural Christians like how there are non-practicing Muslims or even Ex-Muslims who celebrate Eid cause it's what they grew up doing. Most Muslims in England aren't white nor do they come Christian families so don't feel obligated to celebrate.

 

[kingusama92]

It's purely cultural.

The average person doesn't even make the connection between Christmas and religion in Canada. I assume it's the same in England as well?

When your schedule is built around the holiday, it's commercialized everywhere, and there's such a big build-up, most people get involved one way or another. I know lots of families that put up Christmas trees and exchange presents here.

 

[guna]

Az-Zukhruf 43:88

English - Sahih International
And [ Allah acknowledges] his saying, "O my Lord, indeed these are a people who do not believe."

English - Yusuf Ali
(Allah has knowledge) of the (Prophet's) cry, "O my Lord! Truly these are people who will not believe!"

Az-Zukhruf 43:89

English - Sahih International
So turn aside from them and say, "Peace." But they are going to know.

English - Yusuf Ali
But turn away from them, and say "Peace!" But soon shall they know!

Al-Qasas 28:55

English - Sahih International
And when they hear ill speech, they turn away from it and say, "For us are our deeds, and for you are your deeds. Peace will be upon you; we seek not the ignorant."

English - Yusuf Ali
And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: "To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant."

Al-Qasas 28:56

English - Sahih International
Indeed, [O Muhammad], you do not guide whom you like, but Allah guides whom He wills. And He is most knowing of the [rightly] guided.

English - Yusuf Ali
It is true thou wilt not be able to guide every one, whom thou lovest; but Allah guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance.

Your claim is certainly contrary to the Holy Book.

It is not permissible firstly to initiate the greeting of salaam to a non-Muslim. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: Do not initiate the greeting of salaam to a Jew or a Christian

(Narrated by Muslim, 2167).

You can only greet someone if the others wish you first and that too there is disagreement among scholars. Muslims should not greet first and should not initiate the greetings.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Each to it's own.
Salah has the right to do whatever he wishes to do inside his home and as long as it does not break law of the land. I have no problem with him.

For me personally though, and sorry, non-Muslims may not understand this, but EVEN if it's celebrated as a "Holiday", then what Holiday is this for? Obviously to celebrate Christmas. A Christian who may be celebrating these "Holidays" may not attend the Church but many who celebrate, DO attend the Church.

Yes, the religious aspect of Christmas Holidays be on the slight decline in the west but lets not kid ourselves. There are 100 and MILLIONS of people ALL OVER THE WORLD who celebrate Christmas by attending the church with their families and kids.
Why wishful thinking by taking shelter under the term "in the west"? How about Christmas Holidays in Philippines and Christian countries in the East, South America and in Africa?

ohhhh, you just want to "copy the west, don't you??"
Well, good for you.

For me personally, I gladly greet Christians and support their celebration of the event, but personally I won't celebrate Christmas because it opens up the possibility of agreeing to Shirk. This goes against the very basic foundation of Islamic Aqeeda.

If you celebrate Christmas in any form, what you agree to is that "Jesus is God and the Son of God".
I have no problem whoever believes in this, but for me personally, it's shirk. I can't agree to it for my personal belief and for my personal faith.

Salah or whoever thinks differently has the choice to do so, and I have no problem with it.

I think, in a large aspect of our lives, God has given the ability to choose. And we should make wise choices because in the end, we will be responsible for our choices.


And for those, talking about Muslim getting married to Christians. I am not a religious scholar but my personal belief is that it's valid only if you are marrying a Christian who believes in the original Christianity which was widely practiced in the first 300 years of Christianity where the followers of Jesus believed Jesus to be a prophet of God and they refrained from eating pork, just as Jesus did.

If you find such a Christian girl then yes, but many modern day Christians commit shirk when they state that Jesus is God or Jesus is the Son of God. This is their belief and I don't have an issue with it but I don't think a Muslim is allowed to marry a Mushrik.

 

[MenInG]

Are you suggesting he did something bad?

I am suggesting that this is not what Muslims (that I know of) normally do - and it will get comment from everyone as we can see in this thread.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

It is not permissible firstly to initiate the greeting of salaam to a non-Muslim. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: Do not initiate the greeting of salaam to a Jew or a Christian

(Narrated by Muslim, 2167).

You can only greet someone if the others wish you first and that too there is disagreement among scholars. Muslims should not greet first and should not initiate the greetings.

You're ignoring Quranic verses in favour of hadiths which need hours of examinations to determine their authenticity.

Quran is clearly instructing the believers to say salam even if the kafirs use ill words towards them. With clear verses of Quran available, hadiths aren't required. Its a salafi misguided thing to counter Quran with disputed hadith literature.

 

[Madplayer]

You're ignoring Quranic verses in favour of hadiths which need hours of examinations to determine their authenticity.

Quran is clearly instructing the believers to say salam even if the kafirs use ill words towards them. With clear verses of Quran available, hadiths aren't required. Its a salafi misguided thing to counter Quran with disputed hadith literature.

No its absolutely not a salafi misguided thing to use hadith in order to interpret Quran. What a crazy statement that is! The science of hadith is traditional and has has been going on since the early years of Islam. Anyone who rejects the hadiths is treading a very dangerous path as far as deen is concerned, one that was never taken by anyone in the history of mainstream Islam.

 

[Tubs]

I am suggesting that this is not what Muslims (that I know of) normally do - and it will get comment from everyone as we can see in this thread.

This whole 'Muslims should do' is nonsense. This is why there is so much judgement and discord within Muslim communities. It's all 'Mashallah, thank you for being so understanding!' when a non-Muslim takes part in Islamic events, but it's all 'kaffir', 'how dare you', 'dunya over deen' if a Muslim does the inverse.

 

[emranabbas]

It's still part of their heritage, they're cultural Christians like how there are non-practicing Muslims or even Ex-Muslims who celebrate Eid cause it's what they grew up doing. Most Muslims in England aren't white nor do they come Christian families so don't feel obligated to celebrate.

I don't know how it is in America but its not the same in UK.

it's no longer a religious festival in UK and majority regardless of religion

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Bringing Jews into this discussion is dumb because they view Jesus as an illegitimate child and an imposter Prophet. Obviously they're not going to celebrate a Man who they consider as a false Prophet.

Well its either a secular holiday or not . Can't have it one way for Muslims and another for Jewish. Having said that I don't see an issue with wishing your Christian neighbors and friends a Merry Christmas.I personally do not celebrate Christmas but I am not judging other Muslims who do, Maybe they have a reason to celebrate it that I don't understad.

 

[Giannis]

I don't know how it is in America but its not the same in UK.

it's no longer a religious festival in UK and majority regardless of religion

I think you miss the point. Yes, most English people are not religious but they come from a Christian background - their parents and grandparents and several generations before them were Christians so it's very much a part of their culture, just like how non-religious Muslims also celebrate Eid as they grew up celebrating it. England has the anglican church as their state church and a lot of English Atheists are registered as Anglicans and if they're not it's part of their heritage. Brown British people who descend from Asian immigrants have no such connection thus don't feel obligated to celebrate it.

 

[MenInG]

This whole 'Muslims should do' is nonsense. This is why there is so much judgement and discord within Muslim communities. It's all 'Mashallah, thank you for being so understanding!' when a non-Muslim takes part in Islamic events, but it's all 'kaffir', 'how dare you', 'dunya over deen' if a Muslim does the inverse.

Not sure what you mean - can you please clarify?

 

[srh]

Christmas was actually a pagan ritual. Christian Church adopted it for their religion. But does that make it a non-pagan ritual? I have doubts.

 

[Tubs]

Not sure what you mean - can you please clarify?

I just get a sense from your posts that you seem to think he has done something which is, at least a little bit, wrong. When you say it's not what Muslims normally do, it suggests that he shouldn't have done it.

The part about the double standard wasn't directed at you by the way, I was just saying that many Muslims love it when non-Muslims come to mosques, pray with Muslims, share a meal for iftaar, etc, but when the reverse is done the Muslim in question is usually condemned.

 

[James Steven]

What is wrong with it? I celebrate every festival, religious holidays and furthermore does that mean when people like Trudeau, Jacinda etc say Eid Mubarak it's wrong?

 

[Saj]

I guess his critics will be the ones who will say don't wish anyone a Happy New Year on 1st January also.

 

[guna]

Christmas was actually a pagan ritual. Christian Church adopted it for their religion. But does that make it a non-pagan ritual? I have doubts.

Almost all religions have Pagan origins.
Christmas is the only fun thing I find in Christianity. Not bad that a less known Pagan ritual can add so much fun to the biggest and the most influential religion in human history.

 

[Giannis]

Almost all religions have Pagan origins.
Christmas is the only fun thing I find in Christianity. Not bad that a less known Pagan ritual can add so much fun to the biggest and the most influential religion in human history.

I don't think you realize, when he says Christmas is a pagan holiday he means it was adopted from the European winter festival - Saturnalia that predated Christianity and Christianity did not originate from Europe, it came from present-day Palestine back then known as Judea. Even Orthodox Christianity still celebrate Christmas on the 7th of January.

 

[Giannis]

What is wrong with it? I celebrate every festival, religious holidays and furthermore does that mean when people like Trudeau, Jacinda etc say Eid Mubarak it's wrong?

Well conservatives in the west don't like it when western leaders wish Muslims a happy Eid, in fact some years back conservatives were outraged when Bestbuy wished Muslim customers an Eid Mubarak.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I don't think you realize, when he says Christmas is a pagan holiday he means it was adopted from the European winter festival - Saturnalia that predated Christianity and Christianity did not originate from Europe, it came from present-day Palestine back then known as Judea. Even Orthodox Christianity still celebrate Christmas on the 7th of January.

Christmas as a pagan holiday still makes perfect sense for Europe and North America then. Maybe Australians should belatedly adopt the Asian holiday calendar.

 

[srh]

Almost all religions have Pagan origins.
Christmas is the only fun thing I find in Christianity. Not bad that a less known Pagan ritual can add so much fun to the biggest and the most influential religion in human history.

Pagan means believing in multiple Gods (polytheism). Judaism, Christianity and Islam do not have Pagan origins. All those 3 religions are based on believing in One God (monotheism).

Now Christmas is a different story as it was actually a pagan event and thus not a part of Christianity. Later Christianity was modified to include Christmas as an event (most likely to please pagans who converted to Christianity).
Similarly Trinity was a pagan idea and later Christianity was modified to include it as act of faith (again most likely to please pagans who converted to Christianity).

 

[ataullah]

There’s been somewhat of an uproar over Mohammad Salah (football player) celebrating Christmas, and many Muslims are upset.
I don’t wish to discuss what he did at this point as it’s obvious what he did was utterly wrong, but what shocks me is why Muslims make worldly celebrities as their role model in dīn.
The best role model is our beloved Prophet ﷺ, and we don’t need anyone else. Thus, it is vital for us Muslims to learn our creed & dīn in such a manner that if all the Muslims celebrities not only celebrated Christmas, but hypothetically left Islam - and Allāh’s refuge is sought - then this shouldn’t make an iota of difference to our īmān & certitude in Allāh and His Rasūl ﷺ.
It’s unfortunate that our Muslims feel the need to celebrate non-Muslim festivals, when the opposite doesn’t happen.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There’s been somewhat of an uproar over Mohammad Salah (football player) celebrating Christmas, and many Muslims are upset.
I don’t wish to discuss what he did at this point as it’s obvious what he did was utterly wrong, but what shocks me is why Muslims make worldly celebrities as their role model in dīn.
The best role model is our beloved Prophet ﷺ, and we don’t need anyone else. Thus, it is vital for us Muslims to learn our creed & dīn in such a manner that if all the Muslims celebrities not only celebrated Christmas, but hypothetically left Islam - and Allāh’s refuge is sought - then this shouldn’t make an iota of difference to our īmān & certitude in Allāh and His Rasūl ﷺ.
It’s unfortunate that our Muslims feel the need to celebrate non-Muslim festivals, when the opposite doesn’t happen.

Salah is a public figure and has many non-Muslim fans. Easy for you to say that what he did was utterly wrong as you are anonymous and won't have millions of people hanging on your every tweet. You live in England as well bro, tell me how you would do it differently in his position?

 

[topspin]

Salah is a public figure and has many non-Muslim fans. Easy for you to say that what he did was utterly wrong as you are anonymous and won't have millions of people hanging on your every tweet. You live in England as well bro, tell me how you would do it differently in his position?

Well said.
[MENTION=383]ataullah[/MENTION] - may I ask with your religious hat on, how do you feel about marriage with Christian women being okay but celebrating Christmas "being utterly wrong".

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Salah is a public figure and has many non-Muslim fans. Easy for you to say that what he did was utterly wrong as you are anonymous and won't have millions of people hanging on your every tweet. You live in England as well bro, tell me how you would do it differently in his position?

Sorry to be intrusive but I think it's pretty much boils down to what are your priorities?

For some people, their (non-Muslim) fan base may be more important, for others, it could be their faith. Each to it's own.

And why do I say your faith is on the line in this particular case of "celebrating Christmas"?

Its' because we are assuming that some Muslims may believe that "celebrating Christmas" is wrong because it may mean acknowledging to shirk, "Jesus is God", "Jesus is the Son of God".

And Islamic faith has no room for shirk.

(Remember, and I hope your wise enough to already know, that celebrating Christmas is different than greeting Christians or respecting their religious rituals).

On a separate note though, if I am not mistaken, you are kind of giving Salah a nod because you think, for Salah, it is a necessity or obligatory to please his non-Muslim fans SPECIFICALLY by "celebrating Christmas".

I am not sure if I agree with this notion. And not that I have anything against what Salah does, but for me a counter example would be perhaps boxer Muhammad Ali.
He had perhaps more non-Muslim fans than Muslim fans but he survived quite well without such antics as pulled by Salah to please his non-Muslim fans.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Sorry to be intrusive but I think it's pretty much boils down to what are your priorities?

For some people, their (non-Muslim) fan base may be more important, for others, it could be their faith. Each to it's own.

And why do I say your faith is on the line in this particular case of "celebrating Christmas"?

Its' because we are assuming that some Muslims may believe that "celebrating Christmas" is wrong because it may mean acknowledging to shirk, "Jesus is God", "Jesus is the Son of God".

And Islamic faith has no room for shirk.

(Remember, and I hope your wise enough to already know, that celebrating Christmas is different than greeting Christians or respecting their religious rituals).

On a separate note though, if I am not mistaken, you are kind of giving Salah a nod because you think, for Salah, it is a necessity or obligatory to please his non-Muslim fans SPECIFICALLY by "celebrating Christmas".

I am not sure if I agree with this notion. And not that I have anything against what Salah does, but for me a counter example would be perhaps boxer Muhammad Ali.
He had perhaps more non-Muslim fans than Muslim fans but he survived quite well without such antics as pulled by Salah to please his non-Muslim fans.

Salah wears his Muslim identity fairly publicly despite being in a land of Christians. Even if you inspect the picture in the OP I think you would find it difficult to find anything genuinely offensive from a religious viewpoint.

Also bro, not everyone is Muhammad Ali. Not everyone can be The Greatest.

 

[saeedhk]

Most Pakistanis celebrate Milaad -which marks Prophet Mohammad’ (PBUH) birthday - but refuse to celebrate Christmas? What is the difference between the two?