Mohammad Shami credits Shoaib Akhtar for improvement in bowling

[Bhaijaan]

Thanks Shoaib bhai

"The recent change in run-up has surely increased my pace. So I am continuing with it and hoping that it pays rich dividends. I did have a chat with Shoaib bhai and he suggested that I should reduce my big strides. So shortened my stride and it has worked. It is smooth and comfortable and it has also increased my pace."

Shami posted this on his Facebook.

 

[JibranAnsari]

He has played a huge role in Indias success in the world cup so far , and keeping in mind that he was struggling before the WC the advice must have worked.

But who advised Dhawan?

 

[Bhaijaan]

I think BCCI should send Shoaib Akhtar to Australia for the knock outs. He could offer crucial help during the knock outs.

 

[Bhaijaan]

He has played a huge role in Indias success in the world cup so far , and keeping in mind that he was struggling before the WC the advice must have worked.

But who advised Dhawan?

I think Ganguly is there, he must have had a word with Shikhar.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Hopefully BCCI realize the potential of a good bowling coach.

These young guys are pacey but directionless. They need someone like Akhtar or Bond to guide them to be an attacking bowler.

Likes of Penny and Bharat Arun reduce them to line+length bowler who stick to it despite getting beaten. I'm sure these guys have taken into account Wasim's assessment as well of pitching it short, which has worked quite well for us.

 

[liaqat]

Bcci need to thank their neighbor's big heart

 

[Stewie]

We need to get Dravid or Tendulkar as batting coaches then. I think they will work wonders for us.

 

[SamNJ]

I always thought Shoaib Akhtar barring his natural ability to bowl quick was a bowling equivalent of a hack.
Surprised to know that his technical knowledge of the game is also good.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Hopefully BCCI realize the potential of a good bowling coach.

These young guys are pacey but directionless. They need someone like Akhtar or Bond to guide them to be an attacking bowler.

Likes of Penny and Bharat Arun reduce them to line+length bowler who stick to it despite getting beaten. I'm sure these guys have taken into account Wasim's assessment as well of pitching it short, which has worked quite well for us.

We already have Sanjay 'The Destroyer' Bangar.

 

[asyed]

Sometime I wonder why PCB doesn't request Indian's greats like Sachin, Dravid and Ganguly to send some time with players like Ahmed, Umer, Haris and Sohaib?

Does it hurt PCB's ego?

 

[Mamoon]

We need to get Dravid or Tendulkar as batting coaches then. I think they will work wonders for us.

Why would an Indian coach Pakistani players, but on the contrary, coaching in India is definitely an attractive prospect for our players because unlike the former, it is not a step down; it is an upgrade.

 

[Mamoon]

Sometime I wonder why PCB doesn't request Indian's greats like Sachin, Dravid and Ganguly to send some time with players like Ahmed, Umer, Haris and Sohaib?

Does it hurt PCB's ego?

Ex-Indian players have zero incentive to work in Pakistan, unlike ex-Pakistani players (when it comes to working for India).

 

[ForeverIndian]

We need to get Dravid or Tendulkar as batting coaches then. I think they will work wonders for us.

Because you need something to work with.

 

[asyed]

Ex-Indian players have zero incentive to work in Pakistan, unlike ex-Pakistani players (when it comes to working for India).

And what's the reason for this contrast? Ex-Pakistani's get big bugs in India for their help, or our nationality irks ex-Indian's players?

 

[ForeverIndian]

Hopefully BCCI realize the potential of a good bowling coach.

These young guys are pacey but directionless. They need someone like Akhtar or Bond to guide them to be an attacking bowler.

Likes of Penny and Bharat Arun reduce them to line+length bowler who stick to it despite getting beaten. I'm sure these guys have taken into account Wasim's assessment as well of pitching it short, which has worked quite well for us.

Who is bharat arun ? Has he ever played international cricket ?

 

[giri26]

And what's the reason for this contrast? Ex-Pakistani's get big bugs in India for their help, or our nationality irks ex-Indian's players?

To be frank, if Shehzad, Akmal or for that matter any one approaches Indian greats for advice they will be more than happy to help them. Remember Phil Hughes traveled to India to meet with Sachin Tendulkar and ask him for advice. He did say that the meeting with Sachin really helped him. Indian bowlers approach the Pakistani greats for help as they know that they are legends and better than any bowlers we had in the past. Has there been any instance of a Pakistani batsman approaching Indian legend and they refused to help them? When you are in a world even like this, you can easily approach different greats from various countries for help and they will be more than happy to help. Blame the young pakistani batsmen....They seem to need no help from anyone as they think they are great.

 

[Mamoon]

And what's the reason for this contrast? Ex-Pakistani's get big bugs in India for their help, or our nationality irks ex-Indian's players?

Coaching for India means:

- Better profile (in terms of image, fame, exposure, etc.)

- More money

- security

- a more stable cricket board

All of the above factors push our ex-players towards India, and why no Indian is interested in working here.

 

[asyed]

To be frank, if Shehzad, Akmal or for that matter any one approaches Indian greats for advice they will be more than happy to help them. Remember Phil Hughes traveled to India to meet with Sachin Tendulkar and ask him for advice. He did say that the meeting with Sachin really helped him. Indian bowlers approach the Pakistani greats for help as they know that they are legends and better than any bowlers we had in the past. Has there been any instance of a Pakistani batsman approaching Indian legend and they refused to help them? When you are in a world even like this, you can easily approach different greats from various countries for help and they will be more than happy to help. Blame the young pakistani batsmen....They seem to need no help from anyone as they think they are great.

This is what I thought as well (probably hurts their ego). If you wouldn't approach them then, naturally, they wouldn't come to tell your technical faults. Fair enough!

Coaching for India means:

- Better profile (in terms of image, fame, exposure, etc.)

- More money

- security

- a more stable cricket board

All of the above factors push our ex-players towards India, and why no Indian is interested in working here.

Beside all the factors you mentioned above, I don't see any hunger and desire to learn in our players.

I always see young Indian bowlers to reach out to Wasim and others for tips (forget about coaching). Why don't Shehzad, Umer or Maqsood do the same?

 

[Mamoon]

Beside all the factors you mentioned above, I don't see any hunger and desire to learn in our players.

I always see young Indian bowlers to reach out to Wasim and others for tips (forget about coaching). Why don't Shehzad, Umer or Maqsood do the same?[/QUOTE]

Unless you are coaching players of your own country, no one is bothered about the success of the players. They are all in for the $$$ and the improved CVs. Wasim couldn't care less about the success of KKR, nor will someone like Flower be particularly bothered about whether our young batsmen are learning or not, as long as he is earning money and getting to coach an international team. Same goes for the likes of Whatmore etc.

Well, Wasim works in India so its easy for the young Indian bowlers to reach out to them. How would someone like Shehzad, Umar or Maqsood get help from the likes of Tendulkar, Dravid, Ganguly etc.?

 

[asyed]

I always see young Indian bowlers to reach out to Wasim and others for tips (forget about coaching). Why don't Shehzad, Umer or Maqsood do the same?

Unless you are coaching players of your own country, no one is bothered about the success of the players. They are all in for the $$$ and the improved CVs. Wasim couldn't care less about the success of KKR, nor will someone like Flower be particularly bothered about whether our young batsmen are learning or not, as long as he is earning money and getting to coach an international team. Same goes for the likes of Whatmore etc.

Well, Wasim works in India so its easy for the young Indian bowlers to reach out to them. How would someone like Shehzad, Umar or Maqsood get help from the likes of Tendulkar, Dravid, Ganguly etc.?[/QUOTE]

Wasim works for KKR not for Indian national team, then why everyone reach out to him all the time?

It also depends on individual as well, I believe. If you want to learn and improve (in any aspect of like, beside cricket/sports) then you'll find a way to do it.

Leave apart Indain greats, why the likes of Shehzad, Umar, Maqsood or Haris don't go and seek advise from Miandad, Inzi or Anwar?

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Placebo effect or simply a chance to stick the knife in.

 

[Mamoon]

Unless you are coaching players of your own country, no one is bothered about the success of the players. They are all in for the $$$ and the improved CVs. Wasim couldn't care less about the success of KKR, nor will someone like Flower be particularly bothered about whether our young batsmen are learning or not, as long as he is earning money and getting to coach an international team. Same goes for the likes of Whatmore etc.

Well, Wasim works in India so its easy for the young Indian bowlers to reach out to them. How would someone like Shehzad, Umar or Maqsood get help from the likes of Tendulkar, Dravid, Ganguly etc.?

Wasim works for KKR not for Indian national team, then why everyone reach out to him all the time?

It also depends on individual as well, I believe. If you want to learn and improve (in any aspect of like, beside cricket/sports) then you'll find a way to do it.

Leave apart Indain greats, why the likes of Shehzad, Umar, Maqsood or Haris don't go and seek advise from Miandad, Inzi or Anwar?[/QUOTE]

Wasim works IN India, is familiar with their players and is involved in the Indian cricket setup. Its much easier for Indian bowlers to access him.

If there is a PSL tomorrow in Dubai and someone like Dravid coaches a team, he will be a lot more accessible for our batsmen to approach and seek help.

If Shehzad, Umar, Maqsood or Haris approach Inzamam or Anwar, they'd improve their techniques of praying and preparing for life after death rather than improve their batting technique and other aspects of batting. Besides, there is a lot of politics and egos involved there. IIRC, Miandad has coached Pakistan about 5-6 times, and has achieved nothing. He has been on PCB's payroll since his retirement but hasn't made any contribution at any level.

 

[giri26]

I always see young Indian bowlers to reach out to Wasim and others for tips (forget about coaching). Why don't Shehzad, Umer or Maqsood do the same?

Unless you are coaching players of your own country, no one is bothered about the success of the players. They are all in for the $$$ and the improved CVs. Wasim couldn't care less about the success of KKR, nor will someone like Flower be particularly bothered about whether our young batsmen are learning or not, as long as he is earning money and getting to coach an international team. Same goes for the likes of Whatmore etc.

Well, Wasim works in India so its easy for the young Indian bowlers to reach out to them. How would someone like Shehzad, Umar or Maqsood get help from the likes of Tendulkar, Dravid, Ganguly etc.?[/QUOTE]

That's not true Mamoon, even before IPL bowlers like Irfan, Zaheer et all used to reach out to Wasim for tips and he used to help them. It is easy to get access to former players due to television. In a tournament like the world cup where all the former players are present, it would be easy for anyone to meet a great from India in a hotel lobby and say hi and ask them some questions. I am 100% sure Sachin or anyone from India would not say no. You need the will to learn and approach for the greats to help you. Indian players no matter how big they are always are ready to approach a former player from any country for help. I have not seen that ever with a Pakistan player.

I remember Anil Kumble when he was a premier bowler for India saying that he had a chat with Shane Warne to pick his brain about bowling. Sachin used to approach Sunil all the time when he struggled. Kohli took the help of Sachin after the bad England tour. I haven't heard Pakistani players even approaching their own legends leave greats from other countries. They always cry that the legends are not going and helping them but again like how Sachin or Kohli went and asked for help why can't Pakistan player do the same?

Phil Hughes came all the way to Mumbai to meet Sachin. Sachin wasn't getting money for that conversation nor was he coaching Australia. There lies the difference. I agree that Pakistan players cannot fly to India anytime they want due to visa issues but again they can tap into the brains of these players during a world tournament when they are available.

 

[Mamoon]

Unless you are coaching players of your own country, no one is bothered about the success of the players. They are all in for the $$$ and the improved CVs. Wasim couldn't care less about the success of KKR, nor will someone like Flower be particularly bothered about whether our young batsmen are learning or not, as long as he is earning money and getting to coach an international team. Same goes for the likes of Whatmore etc.

Well, Wasim works in India so its easy for the young Indian bowlers to reach out to them. How would someone like Shehzad, Umar or Maqsood get help from the likes of Tendulkar, Dravid, Ganguly etc.?

That's not true Mamoon, even before IPL bowlers like Irfan, Zaheer et all used to reach out to Wasim for tips and he used to help them. It is easy to get access to former players due to television. In a tournament like the world cup where all the former players are present, it would be easy for anyone to meet a great from India in a hotel lobby and say hi and ask them some questions. I am 100% sure Sachin or anyone from India would not say no. You need the will to learn and approach for the greats to help you. Indian players no matter how big they are always are ready to approach a former player from any country for help. I have not seen that ever with a Pakistan player.

I remember Anil Kumble when he was a premier bowler for India saying that he had a chat with Shane Warne to pick his brain about bowling. Sachin used to approach Sunil all the time when he struggled. Kohli took the help of Sachin after the bad England tour. I haven't heard Pakistani players even approaching their own legends leave greats from other countries. They always cry that the legends are not going and helping them but again like how Sachin or Kohli went and asked for help why can't Pakistan player do the same?

Phil Hughes came all the way to Mumbai to meet Sachin. Sachin wasn't getting money for that conversation nor was he coaching Australia. There lies the difference. I agree that Pakistan players cannot fly to India anytime they want due to visa issues but again they can tap into the brains of these players during a world tournament when they are available.[/QUOTE]

By that token, I've seen Jamshed seek out help from Amla as well and Salman Butt having a chat with Michael Clarke, but having a brief chat and seeking out guidance is different.

Even before coaching in India, Wasim was employed by ESPNSTAR as commentator if I'm not wrong, that definitely makes him a lot more accessible than Indian players for young Pakistani cricketers.

I really don't see how someone like Shehzad is going to manage asking Tendulkar for help, unless Tendulkar coaches a Pakistani team or ends up working for Geo Super.

 

[asyed]

Wasim works for KKR not for Indian national team, then why everyone reach out to him all the time?

It also depends on individual as well, I believe. If you want to learn and improve (in any aspect of like, beside cricket/sports) then you'll find a way to do it.

Leave apart Indain greats, why the likes of Shehzad, Umar, Maqsood or Haris don't go and seek advise from Miandad, Inzi or Anwar?

Wasim works IN India, is familiar with their players and is involved in the Indian cricket setup. Its much easier for Indian bowlers to access him.

If there is a PSL tomorrow in Dubai and someone like Dravid coaches a team, he will be a lot more accessible for our batsmen to approach and seek help.

If Shehzad, Umar, Maqsood or Haris approach Inzamam or Anwar, they'd improve their techniques of praying and preparing for life after death rather than improve their batting technique and other aspects of batting. Besides, there is a lot of politics and egos involved there. IIRC, Miandad has coached Pakistan about 5-6 times, and has achieved nothing. He has been on PCB's payroll since his retirement but hasn't made any contribution at any level.[/QUOTE]

Okay, so by your logic, there is no hope to rectify technical faults (because we don't have access to Indain great and ex-Pakistani's for other reasons) of Shehzad, Umar, Maqsood and Haris. And they will continue to repeat same mistakes for rest of their carrier.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

The quote function isn't working guys.

Its all messed up.

 

[Mamoon]

Wasim works IN India, is familiar with their players and is involved in the Indian cricket setup. Its much easier for Indian bowlers to access him.

If there is a PSL tomorrow in Dubai and someone like Dravid coaches a team, he will be a lot more accessible for our batsmen to approach and seek help.

If Shehzad, Umar, Maqsood or Haris approach Inzamam or Anwar, they'd improve their techniques of praying and preparing for life after death rather than improve their batting technique and other aspects of batting. Besides, there is a lot of politics and egos involved there. IIRC, Miandad has coached Pakistan about 5-6 times, and has achieved nothing. He has been on PCB's payroll since his retirement but hasn't made any contribution at any level.

Okay, so by your logic, there is no hope to rectify technical faults (because we don't have access to Indain great and ex-Pakistani's for other reasons) of Shehzad, Umar, Maqsood and Haris. And they will continue to repeat same mistakes for rest of their carrier. [/QUOTE]

Yes, that is why I say that there is no hope for the future and we will remain a mediocre, mid-table team for the next decade at least. We lack resources + our players have no work ethic; they overrate themselves just like the people overrate them.

 

[IgnitedMind]

To be frank, if Shehzad, Akmal or for that matter any one approaches Indian greats for advice they will be more than happy to help them. Remember Phil Hughes traveled to India to meet with Sachin Tendulkar and ask him for advice. He did say that the meeting with Sachin really helped him. Indian bowlers approach the Pakistani greats for help as they know that they are legends and better than any bowlers we had in the past. Has there been any instance of a Pakistani batsman approaching Indian legend and they refused to help them? When you are in a world even like this, you can easily approach different greats from various countries for help and they will be more than happy to help. Blame the young pakistani batsmen....They seem to need no help from anyone as they think they are great.

Younis Khan I believe was helped by Rahul Dravid !

 

[giri26]

That's not true Mamoon, even before IPL bowlers like Irfan, Zaheer et all used to reach out to Wasim for tips and he used to help them. It is easy to get access to former players due to television. In a tournament like the world cup where all the former players are present, it would be easy for anyone to meet a great from India in a hotel lobby and say hi and ask them some questions. I am 100% sure Sachin or anyone from India would not say no. You need the will to learn and approach for the greats to help you. Indian players no matter how big they are always are ready to approach a former player from any country for help. I have not seen that ever with a Pakistan player.

I remember Anil Kumble when he was a premier bowler for India saying that he had a chat with Shane Warne to pick his brain about bowling. Sachin used to approach Sunil all the time when he struggled. Kohli took the help of Sachin after the bad England tour. I haven't heard Pakistani players even approaching their own legends leave greats from other countries. They always cry that the legends are not going and helping them but again like how Sachin or Kohli went and asked for help why can't Pakistan player do the same?

Phil Hughes came all the way to Mumbai to meet Sachin. Sachin wasn't getting money for that conversation nor was he coaching Australia. There lies the difference. I agree that Pakistan players cannot fly to India anytime they want due to visa issues but again they can tap into the brains of these players during a world tournament when they are available.

By that token, I've seen Jamshed seek out help from Amla as well and Salman Butt having a chat with Michael Clarke, but having a brief chat and seeking out guidance is different.

Even before coaching in India, Wasim was employed by ESPNSTAR as commentator if I'm not wrong, that definitely makes him a lot more accessible than Indian players for young Pakistani cricketers.

I really don't see how someone like Shehzad is going to manage asking Tendulkar for help, unless Tendulkar coaches a Pakistani team or ends up working for Geo Super.[/QUOTE]

I don't agree...Even before this media boom and IPL times, I have read players approaching each other for technical help. Indian bowlers have done that before. Even a chat with a legend will help these young players. You don't have to go to the nets. But anyways we can agree to disagree. I just feel that Pakistan young players don't seem like the ones who will go and ask for help from anyone. You cannot help someone who does not ask for it.

 

[Mamoon]

By that token, I've seen Jamshed seek out help from Amla as well and Salman Butt having a chat with Michael Clarke, but having a brief chat and seeking out guidance is different.

Even before coaching in India, Wasim was employed by ESPNSTAR as commentator if I'm not wrong, that definitely makes him a lot more accessible than Indian players for young Pakistani cricketers.

I really don't see how someone like Shehzad is going to manage asking Tendulkar for help, unless Tendulkar coaches a Pakistani team or ends up working for Geo Super.

I don't agree...Even before this media boom and IPL times, I have read players approaching each other for technical help. Indian bowlers have done that before. Even a chat with a legend will help these young players. You don't have to go to the nets. But anyways we can agree to disagree. I just feel that Pakistan young players don't seem like the ones who will go and ask for help from anyone. You cannot help someone who does not ask for it.[/QUOTE]

I definitely agree that they are too big for their own boots, but I don't find the idea of them seeking out help from Indian greats practical, given our isolation in the international arena.

That is why I really want our players playing in the IPL.

 

[asyed]

I don't agree...Even before this media boom and IPL times, I have read players approaching each other for technical help. Indian bowlers have done that before. Even a chat with a legend will help these young players. You don't have to go to the nets. But anyways we can agree to disagree. I just feel that Pakistan young players don't seem like the ones who will go and ask for help from anyone. You cannot help someone who does not ask for it.

I definitely agree that they are too big for their own boots, but I don't find the idea of them seeking out help from Indian greats practical, given our isolation in the international arena.

That is why I really want our players playing in the IPL.[/QUOTE]

Taking a leaf from your book, "Pakistani players don't have work ethic", even playing IPL may not work, unless you work hard to overcome your limitation and weakness.

Nobody in world can help you, unless you want to help yourself. And this was my original point, our players don't have a will to go and ask help from anyone.

 

[Yossarian]

If Shehzad, Umar, Maqsood or Haris approach Inzamam or Anwar, they'd improve their techniques of praying and preparing for life after death rather than improve their batting technique and other aspects of batting. .

Brilliant comment.

My nomination for POTW for this comment alone.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

These are not official coaching sessions but just informal 10-15 minute chats. Lots of former greats of the game are at the world cup as either journalists, commentators or pundits. Players who want a bit of help should just find out what hotel a particular player is staying at and hunt them down.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

*a particular ex-player

 

[Vayuu]

T.A Shekhar and subrato banerjee are the only guys, I admire as far as fast bowling coaching is concerned in india.

 

[IndianFan2018]

Breaking News: Mohammed Shami met with Car Accident !

Suffered head injury with ten stitches... further details awaiting !

 

[MenInG]

#MohammedShami injured in a road accident today while travelling from Dehradun to Delhi. He got stitches after getting head injuries. Currently, he is taking rest in Dehradun. (File pic) https://t.co/XuFpRCpx9i

 

[BreadPakoda]

Terrible times for Shami. Hope he recovers soon and his life gets better. He's the best Indian bowler.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Average of 28 in tests and 25 in ODIs. That's godly for Indian standards. Shami+Bhuvi+Bumrah are vital for the England tour as the back up bowlers are not up to the mark.

Get well soon buddy.