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I don’t know who this lady Mona Alam is, but I was watching a debate on Indian TV, and she really came across as an intelligent lady taking on 4 war-hungry Indians. Well done madam!

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I don't watch Ind TV but i just watched this, and the panel is just so pathetic and the moderator was more of cheerleader than any moderator. I think the young PK lady was great but she should have told these war mongerers to their best.
 
I tried watching it, impossible to do so. My last two brain cells just died a painful death with all that noise.
 
watching Indian media i feel Jinnah was really a blessing for us Thank you Jinnah [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION].
 
Why didn't they do 2 pakistanis vs 2 indians?
Coz they were scared they'd be exposed.
4 warmongers vs 1 lady.
Shame on the indian media
 
watching Indian media i feel Jinnah was really a blessing for us Thank you Jinnah [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION].

I was joking once about the point of PK to my old Uncle, he said you wouldnt be saying that if you knew what it was like before partition. May Allah grant jannat to the Quaid
 
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Why Indian hosts always yelling when someone give different perspective or counter them?
 
These Indian people yell at themselves so what can we expect when talking to the arch enemy. You can't talk or make your point when ten babies are crying at the same time:maqsood
 
These people don't even how to talk to a lady! This is how poorly they are raised! The likes of Musharraf and Zaid Hamid are the ones who roar like lions back at them.
 
Indians can only bully, when it comes to Pakistan or any other small country in South Asia. When it comes to China they switch to 'soft diplomacy' lol
 
Indians can only bully, when it comes to Pakistan or any other small country in South Asia. When it comes to China they switch to 'soft diplomacy' lol

They can never bully Pak! Had that been so we would always accept their perspective on everything. Pak is not a small country at all! It is India that is an overgrown and over populated country much like an overgrown baby!!:maqsood It is our attitude of never giving in that upsets them even more.
 
Wow that was not even bearable for 5 mins. Indians collectively should be embarrassed for trying to make this lady their pinniata and failing miserably. Pathetic behavior.
 
Here we put the shoe on the other foot. Three Pak men hammering an Indian nice and hard. The Indian man is like a "bheegi billi" here:))):))) This is how we should deal with them. It is about time we gave them a hard hitting, threatening and incredibly aggressive reply as well. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x72oio7
 
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You could tell the anchor was under immense pressure to keep her job, imagine being married to that!
 
Indians seem so confused or should I say hypocrites?

Their media promotes war mongering and wants India to ban Pakistani cricketers and artists but they won't even stop inviting Pakistani guests in their shows as it brings them TRPs.

Same way, Indians wants complete ban on Pakistanis but they won't stop visiting Pakistani forums / Pakistani social media pages.

They can just preach sitting behind their screen but won't do what's in their own hand.
 
She was getting hounded, but she barely had any answer. She kept deflecting their questions and her comment on Osama hiding a mile away from Pakistan Military Academy was laughable.

As a journalist, she is fully aware of the ground reality and the fact that the Indian narrative is closer to the truth than the Pakistani narrative, but she along with others have no option but to defend their country in the media.

The Indians were aware of this, which is why they should have debated with her in a more respectable fashion. The host in particular played a poor role, and that one guy with a sore throat was a complete idiot. The other two were quite dignified.
 
She was getting hounded, but she barely had any answer. She kept deflecting their questions and her comment on Osama hiding a mile away from Pakistan Military Academy was laughable.

As a journalist, she is fully aware of the ground reality and the fact that the Indian narrative is closer to the truth than the Pakistani narrative, but she along with others have no option but to defend their country in the media.

The Indians were aware of this, which is why they should have debated with her in a more respectable fashion. The host in particular played a poor role, and that one guy with a sore throat was a complete idiot. The other two were quite dignified.

Seriously ?

There can't be a discussion when three out of four keep barking.
 
She was getting hounded, but she barely had any answer. She kept deflecting their questions and her comment on Osama hiding a mile away from Pakistan Military Academy was laughable.

As a journalist, she is fully aware of the ground reality and the fact that the Indian narrative is closer to the truth than the Pakistani narrative, but she along with others have no option but to defend their country in the media.

The Indians were aware of this, which is why they should have debated with her in a more respectable fashion. The host in particular played a poor role, and that one guy with a sore throat was a complete idiot. The other two were quite dignified.

I love your Alt-Logic posts. Greatest satirist on PP.
 
She was getting hounded, but she barely had any answer. She kept deflecting their questions and her comment on Osama hiding a mile away from Pakistan Military Academy was laughable.

As a journalist, she is fully aware of the ground reality and the fact that the Indian narrative is closer to the truth than the Pakistani narrative, but she along with others have no option but to defend their country in the media.

The Indians were aware of this, which is why they should have debated with her in a more respectable fashion. The host in particular played a poor role, and that one guy with a sore throat was a complete idiot. The other two were quite dignified.

You are the Perfect coon for Indian media.
 
She was getting hounded, but she barely had any answer. She kept deflecting their questions and her comment on Osama hiding a mile away from Pakistan Military Academy was laughable.

As a journalist, she is fully aware of the ground reality and the fact that the Indian narrative is closer to the truth than the Pakistani narrative, but she along with others have no option but to defend their country in the media.

The Indians were aware of this, which is why they should have debated with her in a more respectable fashion. The host in particular played a poor role, and that one guy with a sore throat was a complete idiot. The other two were quite dignified.

You are giving CC good competition in satire, keep it up bro!
 
The man doesn't even know how to debate, he's just talking to himself half the time, and cutting her off, plus he does not seem educated at all, all he can do is scream. Honestly it's good that they weren't there in person because he seems to be so crazy he may have even assaulted her.
 
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She was getting hounded, but she barely had any answer. She kept deflecting their questions and her comment on Osama hiding a mile away from Pakistan Military Academy was laughable.

As a journalist, she is fully aware of the ground reality and the fact that the Indian narrative is closer to the truth than the Pakistani narrative, but she along with others have no option but to defend their country in the media.

The Indians were aware of this, which is why they should have debated with her in a more respectable fashion. The host in particular played a poor role, and that one guy with a sore throat was a complete idiot. The other two were quite dignified.

If the Indian narrative is closer to the truth, then obviously you believe that Yadav was kidnapped. Isnt it strange that you never comment on anything that shows Indian terrorism. So do you think Yadav should be hanged?
 
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It's seems the old man has soiled his pants. What an idiot. As I have repeated often the Nooras and enemies of PK are one.
 
I watched the whole thing, with my family. Everyone was disgusted by the india media, and questioned why only 1 pakistani was speaking against 4-5 indians.
 
It's seems the old man has soiled his pants. What an idiot. As I have repeated often the Nooras and enemies of PK are one.
Have come to know that baao g narrative was put forward by India in Kulbhushan case, Thanks God we have got rid if that clown.
 
The problem for Pakistan - and Pakistani anchors - is that once the Osama card is played, they have no leg to stand on and lose the argument by default.

The day Osama was found hiding right next to PMA Abbottabad was the day Pakistan lost international credibility.

No country takes our “we are fighting terrorism” rhetoric seriously anymore, simply because we are highly selective when it comes to tackling terrorists and extremist. It is a fact that Pakistan is a safe haven for terrorists.

When it comes to Osama, no matter excuse/justification Pakistan comes up with, we are cornered.

If we accept that our military and intelligence were aware of where he was and didn’t do anything about it, it will simply confirm the accusations against Pakistan.

If we deny that we had knowledge of his whereabouts, it simply exposes how incompetent we are. The most wanted man in the world - and the most renowned terrorist - was residing half a mile away from our military academy and we had no clue.

The time has come for Pakistan to own up to its crap. We need to be honest and straightforward, and we need to accept that we have a real problem. Then and only then can we redeem ourselves and proceed towards a better future.

As long as we deflect and deny the issues, change the topic and play the victim card, things will only get worse for us and there will be consequences. Innocent people will continue to die in Pakistan.

The “we are a nuclear power and no one can dare to attack us” mantra means nothing. In the modern world, no country will ever use nuclear weapons against any country, so these shallow threats mean nothing.
 
The problem for Pakistan - and Pakistani anchors - is that once the Osama card is played, they have no leg to stand on and lose the argument by default.

The day Osama was found hiding right next to PMA Abbottabad was the day Pakistan lost international credibility.

No country takes our “we are fighting terrorism” rhetoric seriously anymore, simply because we are highly selective when it comes to tackling terrorists and extremist. It is a fact that Pakistan is a safe haven for terrorists.

When it comes to Osama, no matter excuse/justification Pakistan comes up with, we are cornered.

If we accept that our military and intelligence were aware of where he was and didn’t do anything about it, it will simply confirm the accusations against Pakistan.

If we deny that we had knowledge of his whereabouts, it simply exposes how incompetent we are. The most wanted man in the world - and the most renowned terrorist - was residing half a mile away from our military academy and we had no clue.

The time has come for Pakistan to own up to its crap. We need to be honest and straightforward, and we need to accept that we have a real problem. Then and only then can we redeem ourselves and proceed towards a better future.

As long as we deflect and deny the issues, change the topic and play the victim card, things will only get worse for us and there will be consequences. Innocent people will continue to die in Pakistan.

The “we are a nuclear power and no one can dare to attack us” mantra means nothing. In the modern world, no country will ever use nuclear weapons against any country, so these shallow threats mean nothing.

This is what Obama said
"We had no evidence that Pakistani government was aware of Osama bin Laden's presence there but that is something obviously we looked at".
Anyways you avoided my question on Yadav because you don't want to lose your Ind friends on the forum, but should Yadav be hanged?
 
Have come to know that baao g narrative was put forward by India in Kulbhushan case, Thanks God we have got rid if that clown.

According to [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and the Nooras, the Indians are saints, see how the duffer couldn't​ even bring himself to even mention his name and here we have people avoiding questions on him. All the traitors on the same page.
 
The problem for Pakistan - and Pakistani anchors - is that once the Osama card is played, they have no leg to stand on and lose the argument by default.

The day Osama was found hiding right next to PMA Abbottabad was the day Pakistan lost international credibility.

No country takes our “we are fighting terrorism” rhetoric seriously anymore, simply because we are highly selective when it comes to tackling terrorists and extremist. It is a fact that Pakistan is a safe haven for terrorists.

When it comes to Osama, no matter excuse/justification Pakistan comes up with, we are cornered.

If we accept that our military and intelligence were aware of where he was and didn’t do anything about it, it will simply confirm the accusations against Pakistan.

If we deny that we had knowledge of his whereabouts, it simply exposes how incompetent we are. The most wanted man in the world - and the most renowned terrorist - was residing half a mile away from our military academy and we had no clue.

The time has come for Pakistan to own up to its crap. We need to be honest and straightforward, and we need to accept that we have a real problem. Then and only then can we redeem ourselves and proceed towards a better future.

As long as we deflect and deny the issues, change the topic and play the victim card, things will only get worse for us and there will be consequences. Innocent people will continue to die in Pakistan.

The “we are a nuclear power and no one can dare to attack us” mantra means nothing. In the modern world, no country will ever use nuclear weapons against any country, so these shallow threats mean nothing.

And the problem with your type of people is that you will believe anything on media and other secondary sources which is anti-Pakistan and military.
 
The problem for Pakistan - and Pakistani anchors - is that once the Osama card is played, they have no leg to stand on and lose the argument by default.

The day Osama was found hiding right next to PMA Abbottabad was the day Pakistan lost international credibility.

No country takes our “we are fighting terrorism” rhetoric seriously anymore, simply because we are highly selective when it comes to tackling terrorists and extremist. It is a fact that Pakistan is a safe haven for terrorists.

When it comes to Osama, no matter excuse/justification Pakistan comes up with, we are cornered.

If we accept that our military and intelligence were aware of where he was and didn’t do anything about it, it will simply confirm the accusations against Pakistan.

If we deny that we had knowledge of his whereabouts, it simply exposes how incompetent we are. The most wanted man in the world - and the most renowned terrorist - was residing half a mile away from our military academy and we had no clue.

The time has come for Pakistan to own up to its crap. We need to be honest and straightforward, and we need to accept that we have a real problem. Then and only then can we redeem ourselves and proceed towards a better future.

As long as we deflect and deny the issues, change the topic and play the victim card, things will only get worse for us and there will be consequences. Innocent people will continue to die in Pakistan.

The “we are a nuclear power and no one can dare to attack us” mantra means nothing. In the modern world, no country will ever use nuclear weapons against any country, so these shallow threats mean nothing.

You are talking complete nonsense and as usual desperately playing the devils advocate card so you get brownie points from your small base across the border.
And your last paragraph is the most absurd as anyone with any basic knowledge about world politics knows it’s because of nuclear weapons that there has been no conventional war between nuclear armed nations.

It’s one of the obvious well known reasons why Iran wanted nuclear weapons. That’s why the neo-cons in America are still pushing for war against them because the day they get them will be the day their dream of military action is over.
 
According to [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and the Nooras, the Indians are saints, see how the duffer couldn't​ even bring himself to even mention his name and here we have people avoiding questions on him. All the traitors on the same page.

They are angry.

This anger is due the hate they feel since the day likes of Sir Syed Ahmed Khan and Iqbal started floating the idea of Pakistan. Then came their impotence on of the 14th of August of '47. And now they die each and every day several times as Pakistan moves forward. Plus ultra!

You see there are two types: 1. Indian patriots 2. Pakistan haters. There's nothing wrong with being an Indian patriot but the Pakistan haters camouflage themselves with Indian patriots. A key distinction imho :ik
 
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They are angry.

This anger is due the hate they feel since the day likes of Sir Syed Ahmed Khan and Iqbal started floating the idea of Pakistan. Then came their impotence on of the 14th of August of '47. And now they die each and every day several times as Pakistan moves forward. Plus ultra!

You see there are two types: 1. Indian patriots 2. Pakistan haters. There's nothing wrong with being an Indian patriot but the Pakistan haters camouflage themselves with Indian patriots. A key distinction imho :ik
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], why are you avoiding Yadav. Don't worry, your Ind supporters won't hate you
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], why are you avoiding Yadav. Don't worry, your Ind supporters won't hate you

This is the same guy who claimed no Muslim could live as a minority, then when I asked how his relatives managed it in Ireland, conveniently his ridiculous post and my reply disappeared saving him the embarrassment of having to answer it.
 
This is the same guy who claimed no Muslim could live as a minority, then when I asked how his relatives managed it in Ireland, conveniently his ridiculous post and my reply disappeared saving him the embarrassment of having to answer it.

He runs when challenged, a simple question on Yadav [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and you can't bring yourself to answer. What was Yadav doing in Baluchistan? Do agree that he should be hanged?
 
According to [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and the Nooras, the Indians are saints, see how the duffer couldn't​ even bring himself to even mention his name and here we have people avoiding questions on him. All the traitors on the same page.

I have clearly stated multiple times that the Indians are no saints. No country or state is.

However, the root cause of the Pakistan-India conflict is Kashmir, and thus, I consider Pakistan to be responsible for this conflict. When you interfere in another country's business and fund insurgencies and terrorism in their home, there will be consequences. Hence, I do not blame India for attempting to hit back, and they will continue to do so as long as we don't mind our own business.
 
This is the same guy who claimed no Muslim could live as a minority, then when I asked how his relatives managed it in Ireland, conveniently his ridiculous post and my reply disappeared saving him the embarrassment of having to answer it.

I saw your rather odd post and was going to reply, but it was promptly deleted. My relatives in the UK are educated, moderated Muslims. Open-minded and progressive Muslims are not a problem anywhere.

What embarrassment? Not sure why you are patting yourself on the back.
 
And the problem with your type of people is that you will believe anything on media and other secondary sources which is anti-Pakistan and military.

The problem is that we cannot hide behind the anti-Pakistan, anti-military, Indian propaganda, Western propaganda rhetoric forever. In spite of the fact that the most wanted terrorist in the world was found half a mile away from our military academy, we expect the world to believe in our narrative, believe in our version of events and buy our propaganda.

What we want to say is that India is wrong, Iran is wrong, Afghanistan is wrong and Bangladesh is wrong. Basically, all our neighbours our wrong (except the neighbour that has bought us) and we are right.

Nothing will change in Pakistan unless we accept and acknowledge our role in propagating and protecting terrorism. Denial will not take us anywhere.
 
You are talking complete nonsense and as usual desperately playing the devils advocate card so you get brownie points from your small base across the border.
And your last paragraph is the most absurd as anyone with any basic knowledge about world politics knows it’s because of nuclear weapons that there has been no conventional war between nuclear armed nations.

It’s one of the obvious well known reasons why Iran wanted nuclear weapons. That’s why the neo-cons in America are still pushing for war against them because the day they get them will be the day their dream of military action is over.

It is a common myth that conventional warfare has become history because of nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are simply a deterrent - no country is going to use them again. Conventional warfare has ended because countries have realised that they are simply a waste of resources. Even if you "win" a conventional war, you lose a lot more than you gain.

As a result, countries are now engaging in proxy wars and getting mercenaries like Pakistan to fight for them under the guise of FDI. Nuking a country will never be a solution. The repercussions will be too great for any country to benefit from it.

Besides, Pakistan and India are the last two countries in the world that would even think of nuking each other. If either of the two decides to pull of that stunt, the entire subcontinent will be wiped out.
 
I have clearly stated multiple times that the Indians are no saints. No country or state is.

However, the root cause of the Pakistan-India conflict is Kashmir, and thus, I consider Pakistan to be responsible for this conflict. When you interfere in another country's business and fund insurgencies and terrorism in their home, there will be consequences. Hence, I do not blame India for attempting to hit back, and they will continue to do so as long as we don't mind our own business.

So you are ok with them carrying out murders of innocent people in PK because of perceived attacks. I take it that you are also ok with the Kashmiri youth killing Indian Soldiers as their kin have been maimed, raped and killed. And if these Indians are caught like Yadav then obviously, it's ok for those murderers to be executed.
 
So you are ok with them carrying out murders of innocent people in PK because of perceived attacks. I take it that you are also ok with the Kashmiri youth killing Indian Soldiers as their kin have been maimed, raped and killed. And if these Indians are caught like Yadav then obviously, it's ok for those murderers to be executed.

I am not okay with it. My point is that if you play with fire, your hand will burn.

The innocent people that have lost their lives in Pakistan need to blame our foreign policy and not India. We are responsible for the terrorism and instability in the country. When your country is a safe haven for terrorists, what do you expect?
 
I saw your rather odd post and was going to reply, but it was promptly deleted. My relatives in the UK are educated, moderated Muslims. Open-minded and progressive Muslims are not a problem anywhere.

What embarrassment? Not sure why you are patting yourself on the back.

I see. So basically your relatives are capable of being educated and open minded as a Muslim minority but others aren't. Got it.
 
I am not okay with it. My point is that if you play with fire, your hand will burn.

The innocent people that have lost their lives in Pakistan need to blame our foreign policy and not India. We are responsible for the terrorism and instability in the country. When your country is a safe haven for terrorists, what do you expect?

So innocent people killed by Ind in PK is the fault of PK, and innocent people killed in Kashmir are the fault of PK and Kashmiris fighting for freedom are terrorists but not Ind who rape and kill them. And Yadav question is again evaded.
 
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So innocent people killed by Ind in PK is the fault of PK, and innocent people killed in Kashmir are the fault of PK and Kashmiris fighting for freedom are terrorists but not Ind who rape and kill them. And Yadav question is again evaded.

Maybe we should blame Misbah for all this?
 
I don’t know who this lady Mona Alam is, but I was watching a debate on Indian TV, and she really came across as an intelligent lady taking on 4 war-hungry Indians. Well done madam!

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OMG I only reached 15 minutes, I have a fricken Migrane.. Can I please have the last 15 minutes of my life back, I have never wasted 15 mins in such terrible fashion...
 
The problem is that we cannot hide behind the anti-Pakistan, anti-military, Indian propaganda, Western propaganda rhetoric forever. In spite of the fact that the most wanted terrorist in the world was found half a mile away from our military academy, we expect the world to believe in our narrative, believe in our version of events and buy our propaganda.

What we want to say is that India is wrong, Iran is wrong, Afghanistan is wrong and Bangladesh is wrong. Basically, all our neighbours our wrong (except the neighbour that has bought us) and we are right.

Nothing will change in Pakistan unless we accept and acknowledge our role in propagating and protecting terrorism. Denial will not take us anywhere.

While an Indian Spy sabotaging against Pakistan is right and divine service.

Keep it up with your anti-Pakistan narratives.
 
To be honest i have no idea who this Mona is and it's a mystery how she appears on Indian shows whenever India media gets hyper otherwise she NEVER appears on any Pakistani shows and no one even knows her on social media.

On a different note, how pathetic and low level can media get when out of hundreds of millions of Pakistanis, Indians invite Reham Khan to comment on Imran Khan's statement :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: They are so inspired by saas bahu pati patni drama that they dont even forget this at such a time. This anchor who invited seems to be one of top Indian ones as well as his clips with Musharaff are often spread on SM.
 
https://theprint.in/culture/chaiwala-to-nalayak-how-pakistan-tv-anchors-are-describing-narendra-modi/196509/


Indian media (well most of it anyways) is cringe worthy. Looks like things aren't too different on the other side of the border.

Some equally cringe worthy pieces by Pakistani news anchors, that is if they could be called that. Incidentally, all of them are women.

Makes me wonder, how futile all of this is, really! What purpose will all this mud slinging on each other serve? Will it help us in resolving our far more pressing concerns like education, alleviating poverty, hunger, infant mortality rate etc?
 
The 3rd lady sounded so angry, and then she finished her speech so abruptly, with a smiling face, of course. All is well, that ends well.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION]

It's astonishing, isn't it?

US does it. No one bats an eyelid.
UK does it. No one has the guts to speak up.
India does it. Total denial.

Pakistan does it and everyone starts losing their marbles.
I'm talking about proxy wars.

US armed forces fight in Syria, Iraq/Iran and Yemen killing millions of innocents in the name of stabilisation and action against oppressive regimes but no one cares to talk about it.
Not only that, US military supplies get "mistakenly" dropped at IS bases but no one wants to discuss that. Half a million innocents pay the price for US involvement in Syria and Yemen. Zero meaningful hue and cry

The less said about Indian interventions in PAK the better. Indian weapons/ammunition found in various attacks is enough proof. Again there is no hue and cry for "isolation" and no war-mongering on Pakistani media.

However, 40+ Indian armed personnel (travelling in a convoy of 200-strong army vehicles) are martyred in a suicide attack in the heavily guarded territoy of J&K and everyone loses it. Why?

I have a few questions for all Indians (including pseudo-Pakistanis) here.

1. When Pak army trained mujahideen to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan for American interests then Pakistan is lauded for its efforts. When Pakistan uses the same method for its own interests in a DISPUTED TERRITORY (J&K) then we are labelled a "safe haven for terrorists"? What sort of pathetic, hypocritical double standards are these?

2. Why wouldn't Pakistan support any armed outfit/militia that fights the IND army in J&K? I thought your enemy's enemy is your friend, no? The ISI/Military is supposed to serve the best possible interests of Pakistan no matter how many IND army officers are killed.

3. Indian media can't handle martyrdom of 40+ jawans whereas we're still hurting from losing 70,000 innocent civilians to terrorism. Why should any Pakistani give condolences for any of these attacks when our whole nation is blamed for it and our spokespersons have to endure this crap on Indian media?

Indians talking about a war should remember that a 200 strong convoy couldn't identify a foreign vehicle filled with 350 kg of explosives operated by non-military personnel in a highly sensitive territory like J&K. Just let that sink in before you even think of a war. I'm surprised even the families of martyrs haven't raised this question.
 
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I saw masharraf's interview today and it was cringeworthy how these no name Indian actors think they have the right to interrogate every Pakistani they can get their hands on. These people have lost touch with reality their hate for Pakistan and muslims is blanketing their whole thought process, they are literally taking a half baked story and blowing it out of proportions. I seriously doubt the anchors even care about the 40+ people dying or know their names or where they came from, but when it comes to Pakistan bashing these anchors are trying to out do each other like it is some sort of a competition and a favorite pass time for the audiences. How pathetic.
 
[MENTION=139075]Hadi Rizvi[/MENTION]

Firstly, questioning what other countries do will not help Pakistan. We need to look at what "we" are doing because it has caused a lot of damage for us and our people. No country has suffered more from Pakistan's foreign policy than the people of Pakistan.

Our decision to go to bed with the U.S. against the Soviets and train mujahideens paved the way for a wave of terrorism in Pakistan that we are yet to recover from. We created a monster that soon spiralled out of control. Our military/ISI are not fools - they were well aware of the fact that creating Taliban will destabilise the region forever, but this chaos and instability is exactly what they want in order to control the country.

The military is the most powerful entity in the country only when there is conflict. If Pakistan would have had cordial relations with its neighbours and would have refused to be involved in the U.S. game in the Soviet-Afghan War, or would have refused to be sucked into the WoT, there would be no terrorism in Pakistan, no instability and hardly anyone in the country would know who the COAS is and how he looks like.

He would not be standing next to Imran Khan to welcome the Saudi Prince. Why wasn't the Indian COAS present to welcome the Saudi Prince? Why wasn't he standing next to Modi? The military elite live like kings in Pakistan with zero accountability. They are exploiting the instability of Pakistan which they created in the first place.

Pakistan's narrative lost its legs when Osama was found half a mile away from PMA Abbottabad. On what grounds do we still claim that we are fighting against terrorism? No one has to buy anything we say after the Osama episode, and we don't even have to get to Hafiz Saeed and the various other terrorists and extremist entities that we have been protecting.

The problem for Pakistan with respect to Osama is that it cannot come up with any justification or excuse. It cannot admit that they had knowledge of his whereabouts, simply because it would confirm the accusations that are charged against us.

However, on the other hand, if we admit that we were not aware of his whereabouts, it will expose how weak and incompetent our military and intelligence is. The most renowned terrorist in the world and the most wanted man in the world was residing with his family right next to a Pakistan Military Base and we had no clue.

It simply shows that we are all talk and hot air, but when it comes to taking action and doing something decisive, we are a busted tyre. How do you expect India and other countries to take our threats and big talk seriously when this is our reality?

As far as Kashmir is concerned, look, this whole "enemy of your enemy is our friend" means nothing in the real world. Every country has to look after its own interests, which means that enemy of your enemy can also be your enemy, and friend of your enemy can also be your friend. Above all, you have to look what is in it for you.

When it comes to our involvement in Kashmir, the only party that benefits is our Army. Without Kashmir, there will be little hostility between Pakistan and India, and plenty of room to develop trade ties. In Oct 1947, we gift-wrapped J&K to India when we supported our northern tribals in their attempt to conquer Kashmir by force.

Once Hari Singh sought India's help to thwart Pakistan and ceded control of the state to India, we should have realized that our business in Kashmir is over. That was the time to realise that by funding militants in J&K, we are not going to be able to take control of the region and align it with AJK. As a result, we have left India with little choice but to hit back and attempt to destabilise Pakistan.

The Kashmir problem has hurt Pakistan a lot more than it has hurt India, but the biggest losers are the people of J&K who have been played by Pakistan. We could not care less about the human right violations or the freedom of the Kashmiris; our presence in Kashmir is entirely down to our greed and ego.

Should a day come where Pakistan could benefit from oppressing the Kashmiris, our military will not think twice. They are perfectly capable of doing to the Kashmiris was they did to the Bengalis - we are guilty of committing some of the worst war crimes in history of the Subcontinent, so we are in no position whatsoever to play the "humanitarian" card.

The Kashmiris should not think for one moment that we are fighting in Kashmir for them or that they have our support. Our involvement in Kashmir is simply a ploy to maintain balance of power.

However, there is always room for redemption. History is not constant and there can always be change. If Pakistan and India have been at war for 72 years, they can also be at peace for 300 years. For that to happen, our military needs to have a change of heart and needs to put the country above their lust for power.

After 72 years, it is time for us to realise that we need to change our ways. If Kashmir could have been liberated from Indian shackles with our tactics, we would have succeed by now. The time has come for us to respect the first point of the UN Resolution and withdraw our forces.

Once the guns, suicide jackets, grenades and stones are off the table, there can be some progress. However, if the status quo is maintained, nothing will change in the next 100 years. Pakistan and Kashmir need to give up their delusions of forcing India on the back-foot through aggression.

When it comes to India, they need to start by acknowledging that the Uri and Pulwama attacks are ultimately a failure of their intelligence and security. Regardless of the extent of Pakistan's involvement, they should have been able to stop these attacks in their tracks. The opposition is highlighting their security failures, but you cannot expect BJP to shed light on this with the elections looming.
 
The problem is that we cannot hide behind the anti-Pakistan, anti-military, Indian propaganda, Western propaganda rhetoric forever. In spite of the fact that the most wanted terrorist in the world was found half a mile away from our military academy, we expect the world to believe in our narrative, believe in our version of events and buy our propaganda.

What we want to say is that India is wrong, Iran is wrong, Afghanistan is wrong and Bangladesh is wrong. Basically, all our neighbours our wrong (except the neighbour that has bought us) and we are right.

Nothing will change in Pakistan unless we accept and acknowledge our role in propagating and protecting terrorism. Denial will not take us anywhere.

for a while I thought I was reading post from a typical Indian until I scrolled up.
 
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