More worried about India than Pakistan right now, says Imran Khan

[Varun]

Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday said he will try to convince US President Donald Trump for resuming talks with India over a host of issues including Kashmir.

"I will try my best to convey my feelings to President Trump," said Imran Khan. The Pakistan PM further criticised India for avoiding bilateral talks on a number of occasions.

Imran Khan said, "India is not heading in the right direction and I am more worried about India than Pakistan right now." He added that a strong "nationalist" sentiment has taken over the idea of India.

Imran Khan went on to say that he would want the United Nations to play a role in mediating talks with India.

Speaking with Richard N Hass, the president of Council of Foreign Relations (CFR), Imran Khan said over eight million Kashmiris have been living under restrictions in Kashmir for almost 50 days.

"At least what I expect from the international community is to ask them (India) to lift the curfew," Imran Khan added, saying that it is a gross violation of human rights.

When asked about Pakistan's economic woes, Imran Khan blamed the previous administrations for failing to manage the economy. He, however, said that Pakistan is working towards restructuring the economy.

Meanwhile, Imran Khan is scheduled to meet with US President Donald Trump shortly and expected to speak to him on a host of issues including Kashmir.

Imran Khan will also try to seek support of the international community on Kashmir when he gives his maiden address at the 74th United Nationals General Assembly (UNGA) on September 27. India, on the other hand, made it clear that Pakistan should not meddle in the country's internal matters.

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/sto...-right-now-says-imran-khan-1602382-2019-09-23

Is this what the people who elected him into power want to hear lol.

 

[JaDed]

Well lol, not sure what to say, its surprising not really sure what to say

 

[KingKhanWC]

RSS supporters wont understand Imran but let me try.

An extremist India Hindutva state next to Pakistan is a worry. But Hindutva extremists are very stupid people and we are now seeing the good Indians speaking up against them in larger numbers.

 

[Mueez]

Kind of logical.

India is messing around with Pakistan’s sentiment about Kashmir and POK, so yeah why shouldn’t Pakistanis worry about India’s stance towards Pakistan.

I just hope we don’t see a war which looks inevitable in the future.

 

[Mueez]

Add to that, India threating of using nuclear weapons and Indian Defence Minister making claims of changing their ‘no first-use’ policy, why shouldn’t we worry?

 

[JaDed]

Add to that, India threating of using nuclear weapons and Indian Defence Minister making claims of changing their ‘no first-use’ policy, why shouldn’t we worry?

Does Pakistan have the no first use policy?

 

[Mueez]

Does Pakistan have the no first use policy?

Currently, yes. We want peace with India.

 

[JaDed]

Currently, yes. We want peace with India.

Could you provide a link of the policy?

 

[IMMY69]

Well lol, not sure what to say, its surprising not really sure what to say

I’m surprised by this ignorant post.
Hope b y the time I get to the end of this thread there’s been some sort of retraction from you.

 

[IMMY69]

Is this what the people who elected him into power want to hear lol.

Retraction on your comment please

 

[IMMY69]

Could you provide a link of the policy?

Apologise first then go to the other thread which has his full interview

 

[JaDed]

I’m surprised by this ignorant post.
Hope b y the time I get to the end of this thread there’s been some sort of retraction from you.

??
I was imitating Trumps reaction when asked about Trudeau black face..

I can’t take every thread seriously..

 

[Varun]

Could you provide a link of the policy?

He can't because there is no such policy.

Pakistan refuses to adopt a "no-first-use" doctrine, indicating that it would launch nuclear weapons even if the other side did not use such weapons first. Pakistan's asymmetric nuclear posture has significant influence on India's ability to retaliate, as shown in 2001 and 2008 crises, when non-state actors carried out deadly terrorist attacks on India, only to be met with a relatively subdued response from India. A military spokesperson stated that "Pakistan's threat of nuclear first-use deterred India from seriously considering conventional military strikes."

https://www.belfercenter.org/sites/...es/Pakistans_Nuclear_Posture_policy_brief.pdf

 

[JaDed]

Apologise first then go to the other thread which has his full interview

Did he change the policy?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Chalo bhai badho aage. Apna mulk sambhalo.

Indians havent asked for his advise.

 

[IMMY69]

??
I was imitating Trumps reaction when asked about Trudeau black face..

I can’t take every thread seriously..

Point taken!

To the other guy, IK rightly worried and why should Pakistani’s be disappointed?

 

[IMMY69]

Chalo bhai badho aage. Apna mulk sambhalo.

Indians havent asked for his advise.

What on earth?

 

[Mamoon]

He has spectacularly failed as PM and has run Pakistan to the ground in just over 12 months. Of course now he has all the time in the world to worry about India.

A total disaster. Last time when he came back from the U.S. after being played by Trump, he stated that he felt like he won the World Cup again. I wonder how he will feel this time.

Comfortably the most incompetent leader at the moment. He is embarrassing Pakistan at a global level.

 

[Hamza_]

This time he will feel like winning chai ka cup.

 

[sjahmed23]

He has spectacularly failed as PM and has run Pakistan to the ground in just over 12 months. Of course now he has all the time in the world to worry about India.

A total disaster. Last time when he came back from the U.S. after being played by Trump, he stated that he felt like he won the World Cup again. I wonder how he will feel this time.

Comfortably the most incompetent leader at the moment. He is embarrassing Pakistan at a global level.

Lol nothing can be more embarassing than reading from ****** and still messing up. Our last pm was like shy dulhan in bharat when visiting UN.

What IK said is true, eventually when the economy goes south and money dries up as it is already showing then the fun will begin. Wait and see

 

[BaankeJi]

Imran is embarrassing himself with these statements. He was a great player but politics - at least foreign policy matters- are not his cup of tea.

 

[daytrader]

Imran is embarrassing himself with these statements. He was a great player but politics - at least foreign policy matters- are not his cup of tea.

Nothing embarrassing in it, read his whole speech. What he said is he knows India better than any Pakistani as he's received lots of love there in his playing days and that he's worried about what's happening in India right now.

As far as politics, he's been hearing that excuse his whole life

 

[sjahmed23]

Imran is embarrassing himself with these statements. He was a great player but politics - at least foreign policy matters- are not his cup of tea.

Lol based on comments like this its already evident how much this hurts indians. A popular leader bravely sits in front of world media and tells it how it is. The world is listening and all they need to do is dig in further and the truth comes out. Modi wishes he had these cahunas this big.

 

[rhony]

He can't claim Kashmir is a moral issue. He was his usual eloquent best with the think tank but when asked about the Uyghurs he claimed he had internal discussions with the Chinese about it and won't issue a statement as China is a friend. That kid of takes the morality of the equation. This by the way is straight out of China's mouthpiece gloabl times. I'm sure it reminds all of us of another place

"More than 20 million people of all ethnic groups live in Xinjiang, and their security, public welfare and living standards have improved there. When terrorism and extremism spread in the region, restoring Xinjiang's order is the priority of human rights. Some US and Western forces advocate so-called human rights while deviating from real human rights. Most of the countries clearly see this"

 

[rhony]

Lol based on comments like this its already evident how much this hurts indians. A popular leader bravely sits in front of world media and tells it how it is. The world is listening and all they need to do is dig in further and the truth comes out. Modi wishes he had these cahunas this big.

They will listen but won't do anything about it. Imran could be a super star and pragmatic but he's carrying a huge baggage of yesteryear mistakes made by Pakistan. It's not easy to get rid of those.

 

[sjahmed23]

They will listen but won't do anything about it. Imran could be a super star and pragmatic but he's carrying a huge baggage of yesteryear mistakes made by Pakistan. It's not easy to get rid of those.

They don't need to, and we don't expect them to either. But he is gaining moral ground day by day and that's something we didn't see Pakistan do in a long time.

 

[Napa]

Retraction on your comment please

Apologise first then go to the other thread which has his full interview

[MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION] hasn't apologized and [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] hasn't retracted. Your dilemma now reminds me of IK's predicament.

What are you going to do now? Hold your breath till your face turns blue or fire off a barrage of tweets maybe?

 

[Itachi]

He is shifting the failure of his govt to Indias internal matters.

Previously there was excuse to blame the previous govt. But now, he can't even do that. Clever tactics and but I am surprised Pakistani people falling for it.

Whatever goes inside Pakistan, Modi can voice for it but I want him to make India the first priority. It's his primary obligation.

PTI will be limited towards Twitter wars and misleading PR.

 

[Thomaskutty]

Imran Khan said, "I am more worried about India than Pakistan right now."

Has Imran given up on his country already?
I would be furious if I were Pakistani and heard my PM make this statement. I'd want him to put my nation first .. ahead of all other countries.

 

[kk1992]

You can clearly spot educated Indians who are afraid to read the truth.

 

[fitCricFan]

The Kashmir cow has been milked to death by Pakistan and no country is now willing to accept Pakistan's narrative on Kashmir. After all you can cry wolf only so many times.

As successful as IK had been in Cricket, his political failure has been an even more spectacular and the Kashmir fiasco will always be his legacy. All this hullabaloo, and talk of trying to seek attention on Kashmir is simply a charade trying to mask his failure as a PM.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol nothing can be more embarassing than reading from ****** and still messing up. Our last pm was like shy dulhan in bharat when visiting UN.

What IK said is true, eventually when the economy goes south and money dries up as it is already showing then the fun will begin. Wait and see

I would rather have a PM who reads from his notes than a joker who has run businesses into the ground and completely frozen the economy. Few more years of our handsome PM and the God knows where Pakistan will be. His tenure has been a total disaster.

 

[IMMY69]

Has anyone actually seen the whole interview or are they just going by the article in the opening post?

 

[PakPremi]

I would rather have a PM who reads from his notes than a joker who has run businesses into the ground and completely frozen the economy. Few more years of our handsome PM and the God knows where Pakistan will be. His tenure has been a total disaster.

I'm sure Pak was blooming before IK took over, and in one year he lost all the diamonds in our treasure box that NS had left.
IK tenure has been really good for Pak profile so far and at the end of his tenure we will see economy improving, no matter how much Pak haters continue to discredit him.

 

[PakPremi]

Has Imran given up on his country already?
I would be furious if I were Pakistani and heard my PM make this statement. I'd want him to put my nation first .. ahead of all other countries.

The sarcasm of IK is too much for some

 

[Sir-fraz]

He has spectacularly failed as PM and has run Pakistan to the ground in just over 12 months. Of course now he has all the time in the world to worry about India.

A total disaster. Last time when he came back from the U.S. after being played by Trump, he stated that he felt like he won the World Cup again. I wonder how he will feel this time.

Comfortably the most incompetent leader at the moment. He is embarrassing Pakistan at a global level.

pakistan was already in the ground when he won the election..

imran is not worse then trudeau..

PTI basically inherited a country on the brink of destruction.

corruption rampant among the rich and the poor, no tax revenue to speak of, on top of that public infrastructure was in a mess.

i dont think you are that delusional to think these things would be fixed within a year.

 

[the Great Khan]

totally agree with him. I dont think people realise the kind of types that are in charge in India now. Imagine if the EDL or the BNP took over a major nuclear power like the UK or perhaps aryan nation took over the US govt at all levels..that is what we are looking at..the lunatics have taken over the asylum

 

[Bewal Express]

I would rather have a PM who reads from his notes than a joker who has run businesses into the ground and completely frozen the economy. Few more years of our handsome PM and the God knows where Pakistan will be. His tenure has been a total disaster.

Can you tell what he has done wrong as far as the economy is concerned? You seem to make some stupid comment and then run. Once again i challenge you to debate rather than run? Its seems that all Nooras seem to make a sweeping statement and then run?

 

[the Great Khan]

The Kashmir cow has been milked to death by Pakistan and no country is now willing to accept Pakistan's narrative on Kashmir. After all you can cry wolf only so many times.

As successful as IK had been in Cricket, his political failure has been an even more spectacular and the Kashmir fiasco will always be his legacy. All this hullabaloo, and talk of trying to seek attention on Kashmir is simply a charade trying to mask his failure as a PM.

this is utter nonsense. The world doesn't work like it did twenty years ago. the amount of negative coverage India is receiving has been unprecedented. For the first time Muslims everywhere are talking about Kashmir even those that didnt care. Human rights orgs that were previously cowed by indias false narrative of playing the victim and highlighting its false democratic credentials, are speaking up. This isnt a sprint its a marathon and IK has a single simple message that is resonating.

 

[cricketjoshila]

this is utter nonsense. The world doesn't work like it did twenty years ago. the amount of negative coverage India is receiving has been unprecedented. For the first time Muslims everywhere are talking about Kashmir even those that didnt care. Human rights orgs that were previously cowed by indias false narrative of playing the victim and highlighting its false democratic credentials, are speaking up. This isnt a sprint its a marathon and IK has a single simple message that is resonating.

Negative coverage? Putin,China,Trump receive negative coverage on a daily basis, what difference does it make? None. The days of leftist media organization running a narrative is gone.

How many muslim countries have spoken in favour of pakistan?

 

[Mamoon]

I'm sure Pak was blooming before IK took over, and in one year he lost all the diamonds in our treasure box that NS had left.
IK tenure has been really good for Pak profile so far and at the end of his tenure we will see economy improving, no matter how much Pak haters continue to discredit him.

UAE is not accepting Pakistani credit card anymore because we are a high risk country. I had to make a transaction yesterday and it was rejecting on the following grounds:



So much for Imran’s positive impact on Pakistan’s profile. Looks like UAE is not having any of the Naya Pakistan drama. In fact, they were accepting our credit cards in Purana Pakistan.

The ignorance of overseas Pakistanis never ceases to amaze me. They can fall for the act but other countries can see right through it.

14 months into the newly established Madinah riyasat, and we cannot even use Pakistani credit cards to make payments in the UAE. Amazing.

And this is only the beginning. Wait and watch what happens in the future.

 

[kk1992]

UAE is not accepting Pakistani credit card anymore because we are a high risk country. I had to make a transaction yesterday and it was rejecting on the following grounds:

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So much for Imran’s positive impact on Pakistan’s profile. Looks like UAE is not having any of the Naya Pakistan drama. In fact, they were accepting our credit cards in Purana Pakistan.

The ignorance of overseas Pakistanis never ceases to amaze me. They can fall for the act but other countries can see right through it.

14 months into the newly established Madinah riyasat, and we cannot even use Pakistani credit cards to make payments in the UAE. Amazing.

And this is only the beginning. Wait and watch what happens in the future.

I hope you leave Pakistan if the future you predicted won't come true.

You are becoming a joke here.

Your every comment has to do with to put down IK without making much sense or understanding the economy, etc.

I have read your comments in a thread about Indus car industry, you were rightly put in your place when you came up with some ridiculous arguments.

A prime example when you only see one thing, one goal, and one agenda which makes you ignore other facts just because those facts does not support your goal and agenda.

What a waste of time and bandwidth.

 

[Mamoon]

Globally, Pakistan is a laughing stock and barely has better reputation than Afghanistan and the Middle Eastern war-torn countries.

We also have zero credibility when it comes to our official word. Our hollow arrogance and chest-thumping is ludicrous, but then this is exactly the attitude that has brought to our knees.

72 years of mistakes and blunders and a stubborn refusal to look inwards.

 

[the Great Khan]

Negative coverage? Putin,China,Trump receive negative coverage on a daily basis, what difference does it make? None. The days of leftist media organization running a narrative is gone.

How many muslim countries have spoken in favour of pakistan?

in favour of Pakistan? this isnt about Pakistan its about Kashmir and in todays world Putin and co are hardly seen as arbitrers of human rights. We live in a different world

Are you happy to be lumped with people who dont have a stellar human rights reputation?

Your being compared to Bibi Netanyahu, Putin, and Hitler..hardly great company

 

[Sir-fraz]

UAE is not accepting Pakistani credit card anymore because we are a high risk country. I had to make a transaction yesterday and it was rejecting on the following grounds:

View attachment 95084

So much for Imran’s positive impact on Pakistan’s profile. Looks like UAE is not having any of the Naya Pakistan drama. In fact, they were accepting our credit cards in Purana Pakistan.

The ignorance of overseas Pakistanis never ceases to amaze me. They can fall for the act but other countries can see right through it.

14 months into the newly established Madinah riyasat, and we cannot even use Pakistani credit cards to make payments in the UAE. Amazing.

And this is only the beginning. Wait and watch what happens in the future.

this was bound to happen regardless of if imran got elected or not.

in fact the arab puppet Nawaz is now out of contention and in jail why would they want to support pakistan?

the country has been an absolute disaster since zardari some how got elected.

it was only going to go downhill, population crisis, energy thievery, no taxes being paid. corrupt police, politicians and civil servants..

you're talking like everything was made of gold before imran got into power.

it was made of fools gold.

and how can you expect any change within 14 months, when the country has literally been in shambles since the 70s

change will take decades. and even that is being optimistic.

 

[Hamza_]

Everything that goes wrong isn't fault of Imran. No idea when he will be held accountable for his gross incompetence.

 

[kk1992]

Everything that goes wrong isn't fault of Imran. No idea when he will be held accountable for his gross incompetence.

Try to Vote him out in next election.

 

[Bewal Express]

Everything that goes wrong isn't fault of Imran. No idea when he will be held accountable for his gross incompetence.

Do you think PK should have gone to the IMF after the election?

 

[sweep_shot]

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Imran Khan has called for regional peace and stressed that friendly relations between India and Pakistan are vital for peace in South Asia.

“Rather than fighting each other, together we [Pakistan and India] can fight poverty, challenges of climate change and hunger,” the prime minister said while addressing the concluding session of Margalla Dialogue 2019 on “Peace and development in South Asia, Middle East and Central Asia” on Thursday.

Referring to Iran-Saudi Arabia and Iran-US conflicts, the prime minister said Pakistan would not fight the war of any other country.

He warned the international community that a very serious situation was developing in the region because of India and said: “This is the time that the international community should step in; otherwise the consequences will affect the entire world.”

He said India was in the “hands of extremist ideologists and racists” who were promoting the “ideology of hate” in the South Asian region. “No one knows where India is heading now. People are scared. Media has been scared into submission. This will lead to destruction and India will suffer,” he added.

The prime minister said that due to India’s ideology of hate and the Kashmir issue Pakistan was also not out of the danger zone. “[Indian PM Narendra] Modi is in a blind alley. People of Kashmir are living in curfew for the last 100 days, human rights have been abused and civil liberties have been taken away. Muslim leadership has been put in jail and young people are being picked up in the dead of night,” he regretted.

Prime Minister Khan said Pakistan would no more join any alliance for any other country’s war rather play the role of a “reconciliator or bridge-builder”. “Pakistan has learned lessons from its foreign policy of last four decades and we will not fight someone else’s war,” he added.

He recalled that Pakistan had suffered immensely being a frontline state during the Afghan jihad of 1980s and the US war on terror following the 9/11 incident. He said that though the foreign funding flowed into Pakistan during these wars, the cost paid in shape of disaster in society was much higher. “The impact on society is yet to analyse the gravity of negativity these wars inflicted upon Pakistan,” he said. “For this reason, we have now decided to play the role of bridge-builders and reconciliators.”

About the foreign policy of two major world powers, the prime minister said China’s focus on infrastructure development had a superior standing as compared to the United States which spent trillions of dollars on wars against other countries.

Mr Khan said Pakistan was heading towards the path of progress by taking corrective measures, including introduction of ease-of-doing-business mechanism and promotion of tourism and sports in the country.

The two-day dialogue organised by the Islamabad Policy Research Institute (IPRI) gathered security and political experts from 13 countries to discuss scenario of current challenges in the region. During the four sessions, the experts deliberated on different regional and current issues, including Kashmir dispute, Afghan conflict, Middle East situation, Pakistan’s role in geopolitical situation, cyber security, climate change and water security.

Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1516818/world-must-stop-india-before-its-too-late-says-pm.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The guy is obsessed with Modi.

India should just stay away from Pakistan and Imran. We should retaliate if provoked, else just stay away.

 

[ahsan17]

The guy is obsessed with Modi.

India should just stay away from Pakistan and Imran. We should retaliate if provoked, else just stay away.

And what would you say about Modi's election campaign, which was centered primarily around Pakistan?

 

[Itachi]

And what would you say about Modi's election campaign, which was centered primarily around Pakistan?

Can you provide the clause from manifesto which outlines the election campaign was centered around Pakistan?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Can you provide the clause from manifesto which outlines the election campaign was centered around Pakistan?

This

 

[cricketjoshila]

And what would you say about Modi's election campaign, which was centered primarily around Pakistan?

The only thing he talked about was Balakote bombings, which is true.

 

[AdamM97]

Can you provide the clause from manifesto which outlines the election campaign was centered around Pakistan?

You don’t need to look at the manifesto, Modi’s campaign speeches are enough to prove his point.

 

[ahsan17]

This

Can you provide the clause from manifesto which outlines the election campaign was centered around Pakistan?

Did you not watch his election speeches? There are numerous articles, such "Will strike fear" and whatnot.

The only thing he talked about was Balakote bombings, which is true.

That was not the only thing. Go over the articles around the time he was campaigning. Pakistan appeared to have been the biggest topic in those election speeches.

 

[Itachi]

Did you not watch his election speeches? There are numerous articles, such "Will strike fear" and whatnot.

I am asking for the section in BJP manifesto for election campaign which outlines Pakistan as its main element. Can you provide it? Yes or no please.

 

[ahsan17]

I am asking for the section in BJP manifesto for election campaign which outlines Pakistan as its main element. Can you provide it? Yes or no please.

This is a classic fallacy of narrowing your evidence criteria to what serves your view and excluding all other data that goes against you. Why do you need manifesto when you have speeches? Either one will do. If I don't write a manifest that espouses racism, but I make racist comments everyday, you are going to say I am not racist? The original point was that Imran is obsessed with Modi, and the counter argument was that Modi is obsessed with Pakistan. Are the man's own words not enough to prove that to you?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Did you not watch his election speeches? There are numerous articles, such "Will strike fear" and whatnot.



That was not the only thing. Go over the articles around the time he was campaigning. Pakistan appeared to have been the biggest topic in those election speeches.

It was around national security. Something which has improved under Modi. No major terror attack outside J and K.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is a classic fallacy of narrowing your evidence criteria to what serves your view and excluding all other data that goes against you. Why do you need manifesto when you have speeches? Either one will do. If I don't write a manifest that espouses racism, but I make racist comments everyday, you are going to say I am not racist? The original point was that Imran is obsessed with Modi, and the counter argument was that Modi is obsessed with Pakistan. Are the man's own words not enough to prove that to you?

Did Modi govt do the Balakote strikes or not? Was it in retaliation to a terrorist attack or not?

Has the national security situation innIndia improve d or not?

 

[Itachi]

This is a classic fallacy of narrowing your evidence criteria to what serves your view and excluding all other data that goes against you. Why do you need manifesto when you have speeches? Either one will do. If I don't write a manifest that espouses racism, but I make racist comments everyday, you are going to say I am not racist? The original point was that Imran is obsessed with Modi, and the counter argument was that Modi is obsessed with Pakistan. Are the man's own words not enough to prove that to you?

When you accuse some attributes to someone, you'll need concrete evidence.

Here you mentioned election campaign. Hence, in order to prove your claim, you simply need to outline the point(s) from BJP manifesto of election campaign in order to validate your words.

What I am trying to find hard is, why it is so difficult for you? The manifest should be in public domain and won't be hard to find and cite it. Or is it?

 

[ahsan17]

It was around national security. Something which has improved under Modi. No major terror attack outside J and K.

Going by that logic, I can justify IK's argument by saying that India is annexing a disputed territory (whether or not India considers it such is irrelevant in this argument, before you go there) and trying to change the demographics of the area.

More importantly, even if one agree with all your arguments, it doesn't follow that he must spend so much of his time discussing Pakistan in the elections. And that's the crux of his obsession. He could have easily just mentioned Pakistan once or twice. But I lost count over that time of how frequently he was mentioning Pakistan.

Did Modi govt do the Balakote strikes or not? Was it in retaliation to a terrorist attack or not?

Has the national security situation innIndia improve d or not?

Read post above. Also, improvement of security situation is not relevant in this discussion.

 

[ahsan17]

When you accuse some attributes to someone, you'll need concrete evidence.

Here you mentioned election campaign. Hence, in order to prove your claim, you simply need to outline the point(s) from BJP manifesto of election campaign in order to validate your words.

What I am trying to find hard is, why it is so difficult for you? The manifest should be in public domain and won't be hard to find and cite it. Or is it?

Or second option.. what they say openly in their election rallies in front of everyone. That's also how you can add some attributes to someone. What I am trying to find hard is that open admission isn't enough for you. When someone openly says who they are, you don't need written statements. Your argument is their statements are not relevant? By that logic, the statements you guys have used in the past made by Pakistani generals don't hold any water either. Apparently, admitting open and publicly something isn't enough.

Honestly, this is getting idiotic. You are most likely being intentionally dishonest. If this is how you are going to make your arguments, please don't bother arguing further. I have no interest in arguing with someone who is being intentionally dishonest.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

It was around national security. Something which has improved under Modi. No major terror attack outside J and K.

Rubbish, it was about peddling lies to brainwashed illiterates. Somewhat similar to what you do on PP every day running away when you get exposed.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Honestly, this is getting idiotic. You are most likely being intentionally dishonest. If this is how you are going to make your arguments, please don't bother arguing further. I have no interest in arguing with someone who is being intentionally dishonest.

Not surprising it’s this particular posters modus operandi - has he started posting his psychologically analytic drivel yet?

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Did Modi govt do the Balakote strikes or not? Was it in retaliation to a terrorist attack or not?

Has the national security situation innIndia improve d or not?

Telling lies a thousand times will not make them the truth.
A few trees and a crow were struck in Balakot. The terrorist attack was carried out by a J&K national. That is unless you can provide any evidence that the Indian government has failed to mention.

 

[ahsan17]

Not surprising it’s this particular posters modus operandi - has he started posting his psychologically analytic drivel yet?

I am not sure, but apparently for him someone admitting to something isn't enough (unless that someone is Pakistani, then its smoking gun evidence). He wants that person to write it on paper or publish it online before we investigate further.

I guess going by his logic, we could ask where India was mentioned in PTI's platform, which there's no chance he's read. But he's certain IK is obsessed with Modi and/or India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Going by that logic, I can justify IK's argument by saying that India is annexing a disputed territory (whether or not India considers it such is irrelevant in this argument, before you go there) and trying to change the demographics of the area.

More importantly, even if one agree with all your arguments, it doesn't follow that he must spend so much of his time discussing Pakistan in the elections. And that's the crux of his obsession. He could have easily just mentioned Pakistan once or twice. But I lost count over that time of how frequently he was mentioning Pakistan.



Read post above. Also, improvement of security situation is not relevant in this discussion.

1. Annexing? The part concerned has been with India for 70yrs. Or did Imran not know it? Did Modi change the LOC? No. He changed the Indian Constitution.

2. He was mentioning indias improved security situation. What he did to improve it. Thats very relevant to Indian

3.National security was a failure under congress govt. Anyone will tell you that. So ofcourse Modi will mention his achievements in that regard.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Telling lies a thousand times will not make them the truth.
A few trees and a crow were struck in Balakot. The terrorist attack was carried out by a J&K national. That is unless you can provide any evidence that the Indian government has failed to mention.

Both the UN and the US state department mentions Jaish e Mohammed as the perpetrator of the attack.


What was struck at Balakote has different versions. You are free to believe your own.

 

[ahsan17]

1. Annexing? The part concerned has been with India for 70yrs. Or did Imran not know it? Did Modi change the LOC? No. He changed the Indian Constitution.

So you are OK with CPEC going through AJK, because it has been with Pakistan for 70 years, and there was no change in LOC involved? Why did India oppose CPEC for those given reasons then?

2. He was mentioning indias improved security situation. What he did to improve it. Thats very relevant to Indian

3.National security was a failure under congress govt. Anyone will tell you that. So ofcourse Modi will mention his achievements in that regard.

He can do all of this and still not come across as obsessive as he did. Which goes back to my second paragraph, which is basically the crux of his obsession. Let me push it further.
The election campaign being based around that, in the way he mentioned Pakistan almost every day, when you have a million other issues to talk about, is another matter. He was calling everyone anti-India for not believing that his strikes were successful and whatnot. That goes above and beyond just retaliation and just national security.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Rubbish, it was about peddling lies to brainwashed illiterates. Somewhat similar to what you do on PP every day running away when you get exposed.

India has more literates than Pakistan.So its not surprising pakistanis believe that international terrorists are freedom fighters.

Running away?lol.

Its for Indians to decide whether the security condition has improved or not. What is the lie here?

 

[cricketjoshila]

So you are OK with CPEC going through AJK, because it has been with Pakistan for 70 years, and there was no change in LOC involved? Why did India oppose CPEC for those given reasons then?



He can do all of this and still not come across as obsessive as he did. Which goes back to my second paragraph, which is basically the crux of his obsession. Let me push it further.
The election campaign being based around that, in the way he mentioned Pakistan almost every day, when you have a million other issues to talk about, is another matter. He was calling everyone anti-India for not believing that his strikes were successful and whatnot. That goes above and beyond just retaliation and just national security.

1. India claims PoK as a part of India. Pakistan doesn't claim J and K as a part of pakistan. Does it?

Also India doesnot go around at every forum crying about Cpec or calls the pakistani PM names.

2. Modi talked about a lot of things. National security, Economy, corruption free govt., Infrastructure being the main thing. Within which he talked about terrorism, illegal immigration etc. Modi did 142 different rallies for 2019 elections only. He mentioned these things every year, so ofcourse there was repetition.

 

[ahsan17]

1. India claims PoK as a part of India. Pakistan doesn't claim J and K as a part of pakistan. Does it?

I misread Ayodhya for something else in IOK. Regardless, it could be related to the references Indian leaders have made about Balochistan.

2. Modi talked about a lot of things. National security, Economy, corruption free govt., Infrastructure being the main thing. Within which he talked about terrorism, illegal immigration etc. Modi did 142 different rallies for 2019 elections only. He mentioned these things every year, so ofcourse there was repetition.

From what it seems like, economy was not mentioned very much, because it didn't do as well under him. So he spent a disproportionate amount talking about national security and Pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I misread Ayodhya for something else in IOK. Regardless, it could be related to the references Indian leaders have made about Balochistan.



From what it seems like, economy was not mentioned very much, because it didn't do as well under him. So he spent a disproportionate amount talking about national security and Pakistan.

1. Indian references to Balochistan is associated with Pakistan repeated reference to Indian muslims, Gujarat riots etc.

2. Till the elections Indian economy was growing at 7+ percent and faster than China. It has only slowed in last quarter. The inflation was at 3% .

 

[Technics 1210]

IK is spot on.

When India is fostering the largest terrorist group in the world, whose leader was banned from the UK and USA on terrorism charges, with the Hindutva army caught with their pants, and pilot, down; the relentless propaganda supporting all that is Saffron, the lies fed to foreign investors, and on top of this, the Hindutva army is expanding - India is the biggest threat to peace in the SC. World leaders are now supporting Pakistan instead of India simply because India has a terrorist leader at the helm who is doing the world a massive favour by revealing the realities of India.

Cannot wait for 2020, 2019 was a belter of a year!

 

[pillionrider]

lol at BJP supporters claiming Modi doesn't care about Pakistan. It seemed to be the only thing he could talk about apart from digs at the Gandhi family.

But as a friend of mine was just saying yesterday - it's been winning him elections. Who are we to criticize or make fun of this strategy.

3.National security was a failure under congress govt. Anyone will tell you that. So ofcourse Modi will mention his achievements in that regard.

We had our worst performance ever in a military engagement with Pakistan under Modi's watch