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CASABLANCA, Morocco — Morocco has banned the burqa, the full-body veil worn by some conservative Muslim women, according to local media reports.

Although the government did not confirm the ban, the reports said vendors and merchants had been notified on Monday by representatives of the Interior Ministry that they would no longer be allowed to sell or manufacture the religious garment because of security concerns. They said they were given a 48-hour deadline, but it was unclear when the rule would take effect.

Morocco, a majority-Muslim country and former French protectorate where the influence of Western secularist ideals endures, has been trying to foster more moderate expressions of Islam and subtly warn Islamists not to go too far, though acts of extremism remain rare.

The government of King Mohammed VI may have conceived the ban as a gesture to get that point across. Relatively few Moroccan women wear the burqa, which is much more common in conservative Muslim societies like Afghanistan and Pakistan, but many do wear traditional dresses and head scarves. In any case, by targeting people who sell and produce the burqas, there is less risk of a public outcry, like the one in France last summer after the government banned the burkini, a full-body swimsuit favored by some Muslim women.

Le360, a news site close to the Moroccan Interior Ministry, quoted an unidentified ministry official who confirmed the ban on the sale of the garment, which is often blue and covers the head. The official did not confirm whether the ban would be extended to wearing the burqa.

The Interior Ministry did not return requests for comment. It also has not yet published an official statement on the specifics of the ban, and it is unclear what kind of religious full-body veils have been specifically targeted. Morocco’s official religious authorities have not taken a position on the issue.

Hammad Kabbadj, a conservative preacher and member of the Justice and Development Party who was not allowed to run in last fall’s legislative elections in which his party prevailed because he was deemed too “extremist,” denounced the ban on his Facebook page.

He said he thought the ban was meant to create tensions that would ultimately hurt his party, which has been trying unsuccessfully to form a coalition government since October.

“It is unacceptable,” he wrote. “It’s a perverted behavior by the public authorities.”

The ban has spurred a fierce debate between Moroccans who see the move as repressing the religious freedom of women and those who applaud it as a liberation for women.

“I am against the culture of banning in principle,” said Ali Anouzla, a Moroccan journalist, on his Facebook page. “But just to be clear, the Interior Ministry didn’t ban the hijab or niqab but banned the burqa, and the burqa isn’t part of Morocco’s culture.”

Stephanie Willman Bordat, a founding partner at Mobilizing for Rights Associates, a Morocco-based nongovernmental organization, said many Moroccans saw the burqa as a neocolonial import from the Gulf states.

“Obviously the government’s interest is first and foremost security rather than women’s rights,” she said. “It’s unsurprising given the current security context and the concern the government has with maintaining security and stability and cracking down on the terrorists’ networks.”

Farah Chérif D’Ouezzan, the founder of the Center for Cross Cultural Learning in Rabat and an expert in comparative religion with a focus on women and Islam, said that there was a great deal of confusion and that a confirmed ban would be difficult to implement.

“If it is true that there is a ban, to me, the ban is justified for security reasons,” she said. “But at the same time, there is not evidence for associating the burqa with security threats. I would like to know how many people they have arrested.”

“I believe that men or women should have the right to choose how to dress,” she added. “The number of women who wear the burqa in this country is still insignificant.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/11/world/africa/morocco-ban-burqa-niqab.html
 
What I find interesting is just how little uproar there is about this...

When a non-Muslim country decides to do this then there is a reaction ...

When a Muslim country does the same there is silence ...

You get people who love up Turkey who say nothing about their headscarf ban in the public sector ...

And for all the chat about the value of Muslim life ...it certainly increases depending on who is attacking them ...

Muslims stay quite silent when the abuse is committed by their own ...even though significantly more bloodshed is caused by Muslim on Muslim conflict than any other ...

On the topic of the niqab ...there is a valid argument to be had about it being a security risk ...this isn't to say that this is the intention behind the law but it is a valid argument ...if one can't walk in public with a balaclava then it is perfectly acceptable to prohibit the burqa ...
 
What I find interesting is just how little uproar there is about this...

When a non-Muslim country decides to do this then there is a reaction ...

When a Muslim country does the same there is silence ...

You get people who love up Turkey who say nothing about their headscarf ban in the public sector ...

And for all the chat about the value of Muslim life ...it certainly increases depending on who is attacking them ...

Muslims stay quite silent when the abuse is committed by their own ...even though significantly more bloodshed is caused by Muslim on Muslim conflict than any other ...

On the topic of the niqab ...there is a valid argument to be had about it being a security risk ...this isn't to say that this is the intention behind the law but it is a valid argument ...if one can't walk in public with a balaclava then it is perfectly acceptable to prohibit the burqa ...

I know many mullahs who've condemned Turkey's scarf ban, you need to go to mosques and speak to islamicists to hear that kinda stuff.
 
What I find interesting is just how little uproar there is about this...

When a non-Muslim country decides to do this then there is a reaction ...

When a Muslim country does the same there is silence ...

You get people who love up Turkey who say nothing about their headscarf ban in the public sector ...

And for all the chat about the value of Muslim life ...it certainly increases depending on who is attacking them ...

Muslims stay quite silent when the abuse is committed by their own ...even though significantly more bloodshed is caused by Muslim on Muslim conflict than any other ...

On the topic of the niqab ...there is a valid argument to be had about it being a security risk ...this isn't to say that this is the intention behind the law but it is a valid argument ...if one can't walk in public with a balaclava then it is perfectly acceptable to prohibit the burqa ...

Beyond us vs them indignation, in the grander scheme this is a very important development. This sort of move has far more impact when it comes from within - that too an Arab country - rather than imposed against foreign aliens by non-Muslim countries.
 
Beyond us vs them indignation, in the grander scheme this is a very important development. This sort of move has far more impact when it comes from within - that too an Arab country - rather than imposed against foreign aliens by non-Muslim countries.

It's not even the first Arab place to make this move...Egypt has banned teachers from wearing burqas at universities for the reason that it is important for a teacher to be seen...

They have also drafted a bill to ban the burqa it its entirety...

But Arab press generally only seem to like discussing these things when it is as you said 'imposed against foreign aliens'...

Turkey have actually banned hijab yet plenty of people who champion Turkey seem to conveniently forget this point...
 
It's not even the first Arab place to make this move...Egypt has banned teachers from wearing burqas at universities for the reason that it is important for a teacher to be seen...

They have also drafted a bill to ban the burqa it its entirety...

But Arab press generally only seem to like discussing these things when it is as you said 'imposed against foreign aliens'...

Turkey have actually banned hijab yet plenty of people who champion Turkey seem to conveniently forget this point...

Turkey banning the hijab is pretty well known to be fair, whether that ban is still in place is another matter. But if Arab countries are banning the burka then no one can complain if non-Muslim countries do it.
 
Probably this has been banned which is

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I don't agree with State interfering with what people can wear and what they can't wear.

State should not interfere.


But I do not agree that this is the Parda islam prescribes.
 
Think people are probably misunderstanding me. I'm no fashion designer to judge the aesthetics of different attires. I don't really mind any dress but the least quality that an attire should have is to make the person look like a "person" imo. It should make someone look like a human being and not like an inanimate object or a ghost. The burqa just looks like a huge blanket draped over someone.

It has nothing to do with any prejudices against a specific culture or religion or wanting to ogle at women. A woman can easily wear a shalwar kameez or sari any other long dress with a hijab. But wearing a burqa appears too extreme imo. Imagine a city where both men and women wear burqa to protect each others' modesty. Would look like a very regressive society.

Finally it doesn't help to make the vit D deficient women in our part of the world to abstain totally from sunlight.
 
Think people are probably misunderstanding me. I'm no fashion designer to judge the aesthetics of different attires. I don't really mind any dress but the least quality that an attire should have is to make the person look like a "person" imo. It should make someone look like a human being and not like an inanimate object or a ghost. The burqa just looks like a huge blanket draped over someone.

It has nothing to do with any prejudices against a specific culture or religion or wanting to ogle at women. A woman can easily wear a shalwar kameez or sari any other long dress with a hijab. But wearing a burqa appears too extreme imo. Imagine a city where both men and women wear burqa to protect each others' modesty. Would look like a very regressive society.

Finally it doesn't help to make the vit D deficient women in our part of the world to abstain totally from sunlight.

I agree personally, burka does look hideous, but that's why it's more important that this movement to get rid of it comes from within. It should be for the right reasons as well, if security is a valid reason then fine, but even if it isn't, there needs to be a serious debate as to the obligations in the Muslim world to wearing one and their justification.
 
I should add to the above, obviously religious obligations need to be taken into account and that requires some sensitivity. But they do need to be examined closely as to their legitimacy and relevance in today's world.
 
I should add to the above, obviously religious obligations need to be taken into account and that requires some sensitivity. But they do need to be examined closely as to their legitimacy and relevance in today's world.

Is it a religious obligation though?

I always had the impression that it was an arabic custom which got spread to different parts of the world like many of their practices.
 
I asked my morrocon collegue about it.

Ban is about selling the burqa. Ambiguity present about existing burqa.
As per him, there may be few hundred women wear burqa in Morocco.

Again, as per him, debate will start about banning skirts too.

Additionally, morrocon has a fake democracy, and king has all the powers.
 
Is it a religious obligation though?

I always had the impression that it was an arabic custom which got spread to different parts of the world like many of their practices.

Its is pre-islamic custom, Arab learnt about veil from persia, and 0 erosion learnt it from assurian.
Who used it to differentiate between free honorable women from the islave, imported from the conquered lands.

Those slaves were not allowed to wear veil.
 
Is it a religious obligation though?

I always had the impression that it was an arabic custom which got spread to different parts of the world like many of their practices.

Which is why it needs to be looked at closely as at the moment there is no doubt it is being passed off as a religious obligation.
 
The thing is as im sure you have noticed is that interpretations of Islam are vast...so for those who observe the burqa it is viewed by them as a religious obligation...so naturally they will see this as an infringement of their religious rights...so the discussion of whether it is Islamic or not is immaterial because its not as if there is a consensus view...

The discussion is about whether religious rights trump security...and frankly they shouldnt...i was once called a bigot for suggesting that it was perfectly acceptable to not hire someone who wore a niqab for a teaching role...or for a state to ban it on the basis of security...if i was allowed to wear a balaclava as a teacher then maybe those who wear niqab should to...but as it stands actually people who are religious get rights that most of us dont...

Every state has limits on dress...and its a bit ridiculous to argue that states should allow people to wear what they like...especially when most proponents of that position wouldnt agree to say someone wearing a thong and a bra working like that...

At work I like everyone have to observe a dress code...i dont see why others feel they should be above that...
 
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