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Bhaijaan

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Which are the ones you rate at the top? John Buchanan with the Aussies surely polarises opinions. John Wright helped putting the train on track for India in the 21st century. Bob Woolmer with Pakistan, Duncan Fletcher with England, Gary Kirsten with India, Andy Flower with England were all popular too.



What about the worst ones? Greig Chappell’s tenure was a disaster story for India. Waqar with Pakistan seemed hot and cold mostly. Micky Arthur with Aussies?


Thoughts
 
I think Chappel’s time with India was really ugly. I can still remember him showing the middle finger to the crowd.
 
How do you think Chappell have fared with Pakistan team as coach?

I am one of the guys who had some belief in him although he was truly half mad but he was half super disciplined and genius too.

His authoritarian attitude didn’t work well with a decorated Indian team.

How do you see G.Chappell in a dressing room with someone like Akhtar, Afridi, Younis Khan?
 
How do you think Chappell have fared with Pakistan team as coach?

I am one of the guys who had some belief in him although he was truly half mad but he was half super disciplined and genius too.

His authoritarian attitude didn’t work well with a decorated Indian team.

How do you see G.Chappell in a dressing room with someone like Akhtar, Afridi, Younis Khan?
Dont think it would have worked with Pakistan with those big names.
 
I think Chappel’s time with India was really ugly. I can still remember him showing the middle finger to the crowd.

Whatever that could possibly go wrong went wrong. I remember us celebrating that a legendary Aussie star is coming to coach Indian team. Indians were quite thrilled to have him by t didn’t take long before all he’ll broke loose.

In my short life I have not seen such a mess being made of a coaching stint in any sport.

Moyes at Manchester United probably comes close.
 
Very subjective thing.

Some posters will say Woolmer's was best for PAK.

But, really, it wasn't. We lost to IRE out of all teams.

Where's objectivity and not player interviews?
 
Worst was Waqar Younis AKA the "Pep Guardiola of cricket" in his two failed stints as Pakistan coach.

Under Waqar we plummeted to 9th in ODI rankings and got Banglawashed for the first time in our history, and 7th in the T20 rankings with two notable humiliations in the 2016 Asia Cup and World T20.

Our ODI bowling average during Waqar's second tenure between 2014-16 was 37 - the SECOND worst in the world with only the mighty UAE doing worse. Yet bowling coaching was meant to be his strong suit. It isn't surprise given how he showed excess favouritism to Wahab Riaz, Rahat Ali, Anwar Ali and Mohammad Irfan.

He had no eye for talent either. To give you an example - in a T20 match vs Australia in 2014, he helped pick the WORST Pakistani XI in it's history. It read: Ahmed Shehzad, Awais Zia, Umar Amin, Sohaib Maqsood, Saad Nasim, Umar Akmal, Shahid Afridi, Anwar Ali, Wahab Riaz, Raza Hasan and Mohammad Irfan. Even our recent Pakistan A team vs NZ was stronger than this rabble.

There was no consistency in selection or any long-term planning as shown by debuting 40 year old Rifatullah Mohmand. He also took tactical ineptitude to new levels - famously playing four pacers on a raging turner in Kolkata against India in the World T20.

Now it's true the Test team did perform under his watch, but everyone knows that Test team was Misbah's baby and it made little difference who the coach was.

Despite Mickey Arthur's mistakes in assessing UAE conditions, no objective or unbiased person can argue we didn't make a major upgrade when appointed him and goes to show a legendary player don't always make a great coach.
 
In recent history, Hatura's stint with BD is probably one of the best. He transformed their team from minnows to one that can challenge anyone on their day. John Right's India was transformative as he knew how to manage egos
 
Worst was Waqar Younis AKA the "Pep Guardiola of cricket" in his two failed stints as Pakistan coach.

Under Waqar we plummeted to 9th in ODI rankings and got Banglawashed for the first time in our history, and 7th in the T20 rankings with two notable humiliations in the 2016 Asia Cup and World T20.

Our ODI bowling average during Waqar's second tenure between 2014-16 was 37 - the SECOND worst in the world with only the mighty UAE doing worse. Yet bowling coaching was meant to be his strong suit. It isn't surprise given how he showed excess favouritism to Wahab Riaz, Rahat Ali, Anwar Ali and Mohammad Irfan.

He had no eye for talent either. To give you an example - in a T20 match vs Australia in 2014, he helped pick the WORST Pakistani XI in it's history. It read: Ahmed Shehzad, Awais Zia, Umar Amin, Sohaib Maqsood, Saad Nasim, Umar Akmal, Shahid Afridi, Anwar Ali, Wahab Riaz, Raza Hasan and Mohammad Irfan. Even our recent Pakistan A team vs NZ was stronger than this rabble.

There was no consistency in selection or any long-term planning as shown by debuting 40 year old Rifatullah Mohmand. He also took tactical ineptitude to new levels - famously playing four pacers on a raging turner in Kolkata against India in the World T20.

Now it's true the Test team did perform under his watch, but everyone knows that Test team was Misbah's baby and it made little difference who the coach was.

Despite Mickey Arthur's mistakes in assessing UAE conditions, no objective or unbiased person can argue we didn't make a major upgrade when appointed him and goes to show a legendary player don't always make a great coach.

Add Bilal asif asan opener.
 
Worst was Waqar Younis AKA the "Pep Guardiola of cricket" in his two failed stints as Pakistan coach.

Under Waqar we plummeted to 9th in ODI rankings and got Banglawashed for the first time in our history, and 7th in the T20 rankings with two notable humiliations in the 2016 Asia Cup and World T20.

Our ODI bowling average during Waqar's second tenure between 2014-16 was 37 - the SECOND worst in the world with only the mighty UAE doing worse. Yet bowling coaching was meant to be his strong suit. It isn't surprise given how he showed excess favouritism to Wahab Riaz, Rahat Ali, Anwar Ali and Mohammad Irfan.

He had no eye for talent either. To give you an example - in a T20 match vs Australia in 2014, he helped pick the WORST Pakistani XI in it's history. It read: Ahmed Shehzad, Awais Zia, Umar Amin, Sohaib Maqsood, Saad Nasim, Umar Akmal, Shahid Afridi, Anwar Ali, Wahab Riaz, Raza Hasan and Mohammad Irfan. Even our recent Pakistan A team vs NZ was stronger than this rabble.

There was no consistency in selection or any long-term planning as shown by debuting 40 year old Rifatullah Mohmand. He also took tactical ineptitude to new levels - famously playing four pacers on a raging turner in Kolkata against India in the World T20.

Now it's true the Test team did perform under his watch, but everyone knows that Test team was Misbah's baby and it made little difference who the coach was.

Despite Mickey Arthur's mistakes in assessing UAE conditions, no objective or unbiased person can argue we didn't make a major upgrade when appointed him and goes to show a legendary player don't always make a great coach.

That is why I cringe whenever he commentates on our games and points out issues in the team, ones which he could only worsen and not improve, and it took another coach to come in and improve on those issues.
 
Bob Simpson did a great job taking over Oz at our lowest ebb, winning a WC in the SC with an unfancied team of nobodies (at that stage) and dragging us up from near last to 2nd only to mighty WI by the time he left. That's hard to beat.

Worst... Hard to say. Those mentioning Greg Chappell have come up with a likely contender though. He is a theorist with poor man management skills. Not all his ideas are wrong, he just can't sell others on his vision and get enough buy in from his team.

Waqar always seemed a bit clueless and his teams didn't seem to take him or the management around him seriously (witness the fixing scandals).
 
Seems like between Greig and Waqar for the worst coaching stint lota award.
 
Dav Whatmore with SRL.. coached then to 1996 world cup win. just four years before in 92 they had finished 8 just before zimbabwe and won in 1996 and have been a force in the world cups since then..
 
From an Indian perspective - The best, Kirsten and John Wright. And the worst - Greg Chappell and Ravi Shastri :facepalm:

Ravi Shastri isn't inherently a bad coach. But in this stint he seems to be just a cheerleader and towing Kohli's line.
 
Dav Whatmore with SRL.. coached then to 1996 world cup win. just four years before in 92 they had finished 8 just before zimbabwe and won in 1996 and have been a force in the world cups since then..

Oh yes. How could Bhaijaan miss that one. Dav has a wonderful run with both Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. He became a specialist in uplifting small teams. Strange why it didn’t work with Pakistan.
 
Oh yes. How could Bhaijaan miss that one. Dav has a wonderful run with both Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. He became a specialist in uplifting small teams. Strange why it didn’t work with Pakistan.

You serious?
You mention small teams and PAK in the same sentence?
You can say a lot about PAK but small team?:shehzad
 
Oh yes. How could Bhaijaan miss that one. Dav has a wonderful run with both Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. He became a specialist in uplifting small teams. Strange why it didn’t work with Pakistan.

Personality traits and working methods. Dav was a fantastic coach to develop the basics of young, talented cricketers. Even in his 2nd stint with SRL, he developed Sanga, Mahela & Dilshan into world class players, whereas in BD, he almost hand picked Ashraful, Mash, Tamim, Shakib, Mushi, Mahmudullah from school cricket - these players are still delivering because of their initial grooming under Dav. He was head coach at NCA Bangalore as well between BD & PAK assignments, where some of his trainees were Kohli, Sharma, Dhawan, Rahne, Vijay....

But, he is extremely ruthless, autaocratic dictator type coach who demanded full control. I can recall him breaking glasses & furniture in dressing room more than once when in charge of BD (during game). He used to pick his own team (for selectors to read out names) & his way of dealing was my way or high way. But, guy was a fantastic coach - one of the best ever to develop young batsmen and his understanding of Asian cricket is probably best in business along with Gary Kristen.

These worked fantastically for cricket administration who allowed him his space, because guy was a champion coach with dedication & work ethics (he hardly left BD even during off season, working with junior players, back up teams & on individual skill development). BCB & SLCB in their early days gave Dav enough authority to implement his ideas, methods unconditionally & it worked; just like at NCA, with junior players. But, guy was failure at Lancashire, at KKR, 2nd time in SRL (by that time SLCB had their own status co), at PCB and at ZIM, when he had to work with mature (or volatile) boards/players. Also, he was past 60 in his last 2 jobs - probably more into earning pensions rather than developing a team & individual skills.

When he was appointed, I categorically wrote here in PP that Dav will be a disaster- just not the guy to work with PCB. He was like a bottle of Nitro & PCB will shake that bottle every day. Mickey has been successful in PAK because of his tolerance (thick skin probably is an insulting word to use for such a Coach), just like Bob - recently, he has digested the “Donkey” comment quite comfortably also. Don't even think of that with Dav - he inherited lots of the Aussie fighting (& sledging) spirits & he applied those in management as well.
 
Waqar Younis and Greg Chappell are definitely the ones to be considered the worst. Best.... Gary Kirsten and probably Bob Woolmer.
 
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